Remington R51, what went wrong? Posted on May 2, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor >you now remember this absolute piece of shit gun from ten years ago
reminds me of this
>watch a film
>see this gun
>see the amscor BXP
>immediately know it’s filmed in south africa
Looks a lot like the ppk
What was the major thing that made it standout among other handguns? It had some linage to another earlier model with a similar name right?
>take .380 with a Pederson lock that impacts a steel frame
>make it 9mm and make the frame the bolt locks against aluminum
>make all the small parts from MIM but with minimal QC oversight so tolerance stacking occurs frequently
It was a cool idea. Too bad it ended up being an unpleasant to shoot, unreliable, self-destructing, difficult to dis/reassemble uggo with a high chance of DOA right out of the box.
I had 3 lol I wish I still had one.
It was very slim, not a lot of competition for super slim 9mms in those days. It's derived from the Model 51.
M&P Shield competitor 2 years after the Shield came out when that was still a very new and exciting area of the market that had only been catered to by less popular manufacturers previously rather than something that had been rehashed to death. Also metal frame with grip panels at a time when most manufacturers had already moved away from designing new guns that way.
>Let's recreate a handgun from years ago designed around .32acp and .380 and instead chamber it in something stronger while cheaping out on materials and craftsmanship. Also don't even bother with a proper design cycle as this product needs to get out the door before we go bankrupt
Mysterious really. I think the first red flag was initial size dimensions showing an incredibly small handgun. Then it turned out to be bigger than the S&W Shield which was the reigning concealed carry king at the time.
Remington simply cheaped out and fucked up. There was no issue with scaling Pedersen's design, as ones were made for Naval trials in .45 ACP.
looks radical. a past that never happened
Check out the Glock Mk.I.
Remington qc. Shame since it looked so cool even if it's not the most practical. Probably should have sold it like the nu sig p210, colt pocket hammerless, or smith model 36 and not try to compete with the sooper serious CC market. But you can't even think about doing that when the guns functions like the 1911 jamomatic meme but real.
they announced and released it too early
Remington managed to fix it in the 2nd gen, but by that point it was too late to save the company
>steel locking piece locks against an aluminum frame
>the locking mechanism wouldn't function if a spring slipped during reassembly, and the only way to check for proper reassembly was to disassemble the gun
I had one for a bit. Overall, it wasn't terrible (though the disassembly is meh), but it wasn't great either. The concept in of itself was fine, but it was modern Remington.
>what went wrong?
>what went wrong?
You're answering your own question.
All the old US fudd brands that were big in the 60s are complete garbage now, with the exception of Ruger.
They got comfortable producing the same old shit for decades and now they've forgotten how to make good new stuff.
Although it's arguable that Remington already forgot that in the 60s judging by their awful auto-loading hunting rifles which they never managed to fix despite re-engineering and re-branding like 4 different times.
>they've forgotten how to make good new stuff
much worse, they've even forgotten how to make their trademark products, with the exception of Winchester
>>with the exception of Winchester
>implying the Winchester is even a manufacturer anymore.
They barely even make anything, they just import decent quality bang-for-buck guns and re-brand them.
Pic rel, from their own website.
Well aware, which is also why I will never buy an SXP, the Japanese guns are excellent, though.
Yes, nippon steel is good.
Howa and Miroku make guns that are re-branded by a few other manufacturers too.
In general they're all good.
I wish when the japs bought out Winchester they had kept the US factory running. I love my Model 94 that I got in ‘06 just before the real factory shut down. I’m sure the jap made rifles are great but still it just isn’t the same
They'd have been better off just making new 81s.
>with the exception of Ruger
Say what you will about Bill Ruger, especially his questionable behavior around the ban, he was a genius. The market data told him there was no desire for an old-school Victorian-looking single shot. He ignored it and the No. 1 was a hit. He took the Nambu and made a fine target pistol. The Mini 14 was brilliant, just shrink a Garand/M14 and chamber it for 5.56 and enjoy.
That's why I'm only interested in older stuff. My last buy was a Savage 99.
I wanted to purchase one so I watched like 20 guntuber reviews on the gun. Every single one of them had constant malfunctions. Decided not to buy it because of that.
Mine never jammed once on me. It all seemed to be a magazine thing. Some mags didn't feed right, some did.
I still carry mine from time to time. Magazine followers were too long and caused binding when filled to max capacity. Cut off the legs and it's gtg
Also, takedown isn't as hard as people say it is. It's a lot easier than the original Model 51 since the breechblock is a self contained piece
>cut off the legs
Sorry, I meant cut off a little from the legs. Like an 8th of an inch or so