Remember the official tool list before buying tools
these are the only accepted tools to use
Remember the official tool list before buying tools. these are the only accepted tools to use
Remember the official tool list before buying tools
these are the only accepted tools to use
True i have only seen trannies using milwuakee
The new blue bosh devices suck balls though
The new brushed ones suck. The old brushed ni-cad ones that were Swiss and German were solid and you can adapt them to lithium batteries.
Some of the Profactors are legit and bosch was giving 2 giant batteries for each tool bought in that series. Some are still made in Germany and Hungary.
The new brushless is pain in the ass to do service on. If they fail it's usually a microchip or a component on a printed circuit soldered to the motor. The transmissions are great.
hilti is king
Thanks but I'm sticking with Ryobi
>ryobi - poverty shit tier
>festool - only good tier
Hmmm...
Festool's cordless stuff is also pretty unergonomic and underpowered, too.
I'll stick with my actual pro-grade DeWalt stuff.
Festool is mostly overpriced chinesium trash for memetubers to advertise
It's such consumerist shit. If it were all the same price of course I'd grab a track saw and a sander, but the prices are so insane for what it is. Your have to watch a few hours of YouTube before you start wanting one
I watched AvE do a tear down, and then I didn't want one any more.
Hm I had other experiences.. Green was ac and all blues were liio accu..
One would think the US market is the big hit for a brand like Bosch.. Or maybe China..everybody knows the US are mostly big fans of homeworking. Or that's just a myth in Europe..
If I showed you pics of the power tool section of the 3-4 largest home improvement chains in the US, you would understand why.
At these big stores, the brands have to fight for shelf space. Companies pay the retailers to get displays and endcaps at prominent places in the store. Home Depot’s power tool section is like 60%-70% TTI brands. The remainder is DeWalt and Makita. I think they have maybe half a dozen Bosch corded tools like a couple routers and SDS drills because Bosch Bulldogs are still respected.
Lowe’s power tools and acessories are like 60%-70% Stanley Black & Decker brands DeWalt and Craftsman. Of the ~4 aisles of cordless power tools, Bosch has one 6’ or 8’ section with maybe 10-12 selections while DeWalt has nearly 10x as much. There are DeWalt and Craftsman drill bits and saw blades everywhere and Bosch has one small endcap that’s towards the end with a couple bits and blades.
As far as Menard’s, I have no idea because they’re more of a regional store. And Ace Hardware is a real popular smaller store with tons of locations that do less volume and they’re all DeWalt and Craftsman.
Bosch just doesn’t seem to care about their US market and there’s no reason to get stuck on a platform if you can’t buy the stuff anywhere close to your jobsite and their tools aren’t any better or cheaper than the competition.
Bosch used to be more prominent at Lowe's but suddenly Flex came in and took most of their shelf space
I think Skil took what used to be the little Bosch 12V endcap too.
I don’t think Bosch is a power tool company in the same way that TTI and SB&D are fhough. They might not care much about trying to get into that competitive market.
It's a shame because Boschs build quality and ergos are phenomenal. I picked up a dril & driver set with two batteries for $125, couldnt say no. For my other tools I will probably go with milwaukee, tbh dewalt yellow just triggers my autism
Bosch makes the lightest, smallest 12v brushless driver. They'd do well to market to professionals in aviation. I know guys fricking love their tiny discontinued Snapon electric drivers, and the Bosch is a good alternative.
DeWalt has a really nice 8V gyro screwdriver.
why is lowes orange and home depot blue?
You're colorblind monkeyman, those are all shades of grey.
slow and steady menardssisters
I’m sorry.
I can only enjoy the DeWalt yellow/black color scheme.
You know what? I like this chart. If it can make Makita and Snap On fanbois sperg out, I’ll go along with it.
bosch bros we eatin good
Man it was so tempting to go to Amazon for the chinese laser levels and stuff, you can get the features of a $300+ Bosch for $60.
However, I may have an 80IQ but even that’s high enough to know not to trust Chinese measuring instruments.
Bought one, seems legit. Been testing with water level. The brand was Deko with 12 lines
>keeps tools in box
Checks out
Makita is the top tool for my trade. Their drills are made for manlets. I use their variable speed grinders for polishing natural stone.
Everything else in my kit is Bosch pro.
>Their drills are made for manlets. I use their variable speed grinders for polishing natural stone.
larger version
Isn't Emerson owned by tti?
I thought the whole point of the rebrand from Hitachi to Metabo was because they sold off their tools division to another company?
Textron sold their tool brands to Emerson
>t. Former textron shill/sales
Ridgid cordless is TTI. They lease the name from Emerson, who manufactures Ridgid plumbing tools.
Yeah that chart is very simplified and misleading for dumb people. Like Home Depot and Lowe’s own Husky and Kobalt, but all of their tools are actually manufactured by other companies that may or may not be on that chart.
Shut the frick up stupid dumb europoor
You can bypass the markup buying straight from the company, while still supporting three American company (if concerned), picrel.
Trusty-cook makes deadblow hammers that SnapOn puts their name on. There see other smaller names that are niche, and not quickly purchased at the big box stores (Whiteside router bits, etc).
trusty cook has metal core, snap on has composite core and rubber grip, plus trusty cook skips weight in the lower weight area(assuming we are talking about ball peen deadblow here
I’ve got a Pro coupon for $15 off $150 at Home Depot.
Should I go buy the 3/8” ratchet? I wish their right angle impact wrench was available but it looks like it’s a couple weeks out and the coupon expires soon.
Or should I get the $199 Ryobi 3x HP battery deal with a free tool? I think I can get a 7-1/4” HP circular saw with that or their mini 5/8” SDS. If that Ryobi kit was offered with the larger like 1” HP SDS, I think I would jump on that, but the compact SDS is so small and I’m not sure if it will have any more balls than my hammer drill.
>rigid
Well we’re not all pro dog groomers with Dremel
>$150 bare tool, brick batteries fricking with access and handling
Get the M12, Bepsi-Cola.
That’s what has stopped me from getting it. I think I’m going to wait for the 18V right angle impact to be released because the Ridgid one will probably have more balls than the M12 and a 2.0Ah battery won’t be as bad as the ratchet.
I thought about the M12 a bunch of times, I like my Ridgid 12V but they discontinued the line. But then Ridgid released the subcompact stuff and I’m a big fan of the drill and driver and hackzall so less reason to get on the M12
you should just get a ryobi, there is no reason for rigid power tools anymore either go ryobi cause ur cheap, or pay milky bucks.
>Hitachi
I thought they were good though? I haven't used them much myself but i thought they are a big name for a reason.
Redpill me on hitachi tools. Why they poo?
I haven't actually seen Hitachi stuff readily available for a while now. I have a Hitachi compound miter saw that has been amazing, they are discontinued and used ones go for more than original price on eBay.
hitachi got rebranded to metabo in the states
Thankies.
What a fricking gay name. Sounds like a shitty lol champion
I was making temporary classrooms a few years ago. Part of the job was drilling millions of 6mm holes & dozens of 13mm in PFC & angle iron.
It was zero fricks tool abuse the whole way, using Hitachi (110v) drills.
They started dying right away, but didn't actually die for the longest time.
Consequently it was a shop full of rickety, gnarly drills that made a horrible racket. The man viewed them as consumables & I suspect he was right in his choice
Replace the brushes.
Makita above bosch
so good the chinese have flooded the market with clones.
>Is Metabo HPT the same as Hitachi?
>Hitachi Power Tools acquired Metabo in 2015. KKR, an investment firm, purchased Hitachi Power Tools and Metabo in 2017. Hitachi Power Tools changed their name to Metabo HPT in 2018.
What are HiKoki?
ur moms dildo
They got blended with Metabo a couple years ago I believe and now it’s all sold as Metabo HPT. Was Hitachi and then Hikoki and now Metabo HPT and I think the same tools may be labeled differently in different parts of the country.
Yeah most of the air nailers they sell look exactly like my old hitachi ones.
I had to buy a replacement charger for an old hitachi drill and the charger is hikoki brand
Dumb troony
no, it was a drill
No wrong
no u
> HiKoki vs Metabo HPT
What I think happened here is that some of the factories went to Metabo and others went to HiKoki. I also suspect that the Japanese factories stayed with the HiKoki brand for the Japanese market. Makita has the same kinds of internal divisions.
They’ll probably drop the “HPT” when KKR sells the brand again, just like the “HGST” hard drives… *some* of which ended up with western digital and others with toshiba.
Hopefully panasonic or makita will end up with them they made some innovative and good stuff, like their dual corded/cordless tools and their brushless corded.
Hopefully that happens before the KKR MBA interns run them into the ground.
Hitachi is a Japanese company that became HiKoki. Hikoki then purchased Metabo (German company) but still runs them as 2 separate companies with separate tools and battery systems.
For some reason HiKoki rebranded as Metabo HPT (Hitachi Power Tools) in North America, but the tools are identical and share the same battery despite the difference in name. HiKoki and Metabo HPT are the same, Metabo is not.
>imagine being a toolnerd
have a nice day
Imagine being on a Mongolian basket weaving forum and having a feeling of superiority.
This
At least toolnurd has something to contribute. I’m just here to shitpost, but alas we’re all here for some reason and there aint even any Jlaw pics on this board.
>muh sellout
and metabo rides on the legacy of Electra beckum and genko. Since founding they blatant ripped off everything and were not once innovative. Today, beside drills and grinder, Metabo used to be trash tier. But since two decades they build Electra beckum gear with a different paint job and some penny pinching.
however some stuff like their random orbit sanders are still made in nürtingen, good stuff
What the frick are you all talking about? Do I missed so fricking much or are you talking shit (I know I know). As I wrote before I lived near the original Metabo BETWEEN Nürtingen and Neuffen. Both "cities" in Germany. It was, at least 2008 a family company. Solid. Absolutely the underdog with "the good stuff". What the frick happend?? I dont want any "give me da source"... But... I can't believe it.. It was THE proud of Baden-Württemberg (where Porsche, amg etc is located) as family company and deeply grounded in the community around...
Burger here who loves my old "all green" 6" Metabo angle grinder from before the buyout. The later green/black ones are good but not quite (I maintained a welding school fleet of them). The rotating handle 9" are to be avoided as the handles loosen. With a soiled handle they'd be fine as their power is excellent.
Put Draper in 'Good Tools'.
I updated your image as it was missing information.
So I've been using my new Stihl 400cm for about half a year now. Done some mods; oiled foam air filter, drilled the exhaust a bit, tossed on a larger chain sprocket. Swapped the bar for a Sugi Hara. It is only running a 20 inch bar with full skip.
This is the saw, it is my new daily, replaced my 440 Magnum. The 400 is lighter, has the same power, and the automatic tuning function is nice when the weather gets fricky. Add in the lighter piston so it vibrates less than pretty much any other 66cc saw. Only a half pound heavier than a 362, a full pound lighter than a 440 magnum. Way lighter than a 462, with 85% (by my reckoning) of the 462's power. This is comparing it to a similarly modded and equiped 462.
I highly recommend it to any person with some decent saw experience. Learning to push because the saw is jumping in your hands less than your old 250 is odd. You may think you have a really dull chain. But once you push it in to the cut a little? You can one hand that mother fricker when cutting logs into fire wood. Grip and rip with a saw that is one hand controllable, while being able to lug it around all day long.
Insufferable.
Stihl make some great gear for those who actually need to do high volume work. Their modding community is outstanding.
Alibaba unbranded >
Is this fricking b8? I’m a sparky and I use dewalt, dewalt makes the most powerful impact wrench and compact impact driver to date. They also make one of the most powerful hammer drills, and their batteries are industry leading. Makita makes great tools as well, and for a while dominated the compact tools market. Ryobi also works great and gets most jobs done, despite their reputation. Milwaukee is also exceptional. If anything Bosch sucks ass and fell off a long time ago. have a nice day.
u mad as frick homosexual, go back to sucking dick sparky u cant drill anything but your own butthole fricking queer
Spotted the poorgays running Bauer tools, if they even have any.
troony
That your only response in your limited vocab, NPC?
I bet you’re a milwaukee gay, you got the whole pack out setup and everything gayboy have fun with your piss tier batteries and your shit torque output nerd
DeWalt, frickboy. And I've got a couple Toughsystem 2 cases and the handcart.
Spotted the no-tools poser.
I was looking into toughsystem, and then I saw that they have 1.0 and 2.0 that aren't compatible, and that they both have different types of accessories.
They're compatible, but they have different latch mechanisms when stacking, the 1.0 require you to manually latch them, while 2.0's auto-lock on and just need a tap to release. They use the exact same mounting arms, so cart/wall/van mounting is the same for both. 2.0 also has way better hardware on it in general. TS 2.0 is also IP65 rated, so while not waterproof, they can deal with a bit of rain, while Milwaukee's system does not.
It's the cheap T-Stak that isn't directly compatible with either system, though you can get an adapter plate that lets you stick T-Stak boxes or those little Toughcase interlocking bit boxes they have onto it.
Bet you’ve never used a power tool in your frickin life stick to holding the flashlight for the big guys pussy
i own more power tools than you've ever touched in your life, many of them older than you stupid kid, fricking child
Dilate
That your only response in your limited vocab, NPC?
>i use dewalt
So another word for "im a troony who has low iq" ok i get it
whoever made this image is a fricking moron and I wouldn't let them work on a dog house.
Where does einhell place? Does it not exist in burgerland?
Einhell is literally Lidl-tier
Do they have Würth in Burgerland?
Are würth tools good?
>Are würth tools good?
They're würthless
aocarlos!
> Do you have w▯rth tools in burgerland
We can’t even enter “w▯rth” into the system with it’s SKU so no.
But they are half the price of makita or bosch. And regardless of brand they last me about half a year. So I'll use Einhell. Seeing as I use my drills as a club and the saws all bend regardless of brand.
Funnily enough, I've read somewhere today that Einhell makes the Lidl/Kaufland store brand of power tools (Parkside).
>Metabo and Makita to good tier
>Hilti and Festool to godlike tier
>Dremel and DeWalt to low end+ to midrange tier
ftfy
I was starting my cordless tool journey and found a brand new Bosch drill and driver set with 2 batteries for $125, had to buy it and am very happy with my purchase.
>Fellas should I just commit to bosh and buy some of their other cordless tools?
>Do any one them suck ass?
These dont even include any of the mid range brands in Europe.
Yankee Chauvinism.
The only power tools I currently own are a Milwaukee drill/driver set. I’m at the point where I need more stuff and would rather stick with Milwaukee or switch to Hilti now before I buy more shit. Some electrician on a job last week was talking shit about his company-provided Hilti impact but then said Dewalt is the best manufacturer and that Tom Brady is the best QB ever
DeWalt isn't always going to be the best tool in its class. But they're tough, reliable, and usually up near the top of the ratings. They also have made the decision to have their high-power 60v tools use batteries that work in their 20v tools as well, which means someone with their yard tools only need one set of batteries.
Ryobi's the reasonable choice for somebody who just needs basic tools for the occasional DIY project.
Milwaukee can be good, but I'd be careful, in recent years they've been engaging in cost-cutting frickery like releasing a redesigned version of the 1/2" impact wrench as a "revision" of the good model where the mechanism was breaking the first time someone used it.
>Makita
>Japanese engineered
>poverty tier
Just when I thought the troll thread couldn't get any more obvious.
it's not a troll thread OP is a legit moron
>metabo and hitachi are owned by the same company
>different tier list
moron.
So? Black & Decker are objectively lower quality, budget tier tools while DeWalt is pro level, and they're owned by the same company.
Its cheaper just to change the appearances of two products, no point in changing hardware used inside.
With that being said, the motors inside black and decker, and dewalt are of the same quality, and from the same assembly line.
From a business standpoint, and to maximize profits, this is most likely the case.
It most definitely costs more to use high end name brand parts than a cheap Chinese alternative, which is why Black & Decker 20V tools are not going to share many common parts with DeWalt XR when the price difference is that large.
There are a couple Craftsman tools that are the same as the previous gen DeWalt but with a red shell instead of yellow, but that’s still some $99 bare tool and the yellow was $149, and SB&D recouped the R&D money while they sold the $149 DeWalt and now it makes sense financially to sell it as a Craftsman for $99 because that $99 still covers the quality parts inside. They may have downgraded one or two parts in there or skipped a manufacturing step too if it worked with the previous design.
What you said is boomer cope logic. Now go buy that $9 Black & Decker drill bit assortment and when they’re dull after a few uses, you will complain that DeWalt’s $30 drill bit set is trash too because the gold color on both of them means they’re definitely the same thing and you would never know since you were unwilling to try out the better brand.
anon I'm literally looking at buying the $30 set, cheap bits are a waste of fricking money
Cheap consumables are the worst. Those Hyper Tough blades were so fricking awful, I have them around in case I decide to put the sawzall through some plastic
Love me my Diablo Auto Dismantling blades. (So does the local pullapart who ration them to staff but hand out Lenox for most shitwork.)
One blade will take the nose off a Silverado with life to spare. The carbide blades are even better but not necessary for most salvage work. They excel at cutting tire sidewalls to lighten the wheel assembly before breaking beads.
Pferd, Norton and SAIT also make good discs. Smart play is replace or modify your guards to take 6" cutting disks whose edge speed, reach and life shit all over babby cutting disks.
>What you said is boomer cope logic
I'm a millennial, though, and have no need to cope.
>which is why Black & Decker 20V tools are not going to share many common parts with DeWalt XR when the price difference is that large.
Anon I stopped right here, the moment you are comparing a black and decker tool with a brushed motor to a dewalt with a brushless motor you were either
1. Didn't realize this out of ignorance
2. Hoping I don't know this so you can later say "TeChNiCaLlY tHeY uSe DiFfErEnT mOtOrS sO tHeY cAnT sHaRe ThE sAmE cOmMoN pArTs"
No shit its going to use different parts when both tools use a different motor.
2/10 for making me reply.
Look at the parts list for a brushed DeWalt 20V and see what other tools they’re compatible with. You may get a piece here or there that’s used on a Porter Cable or nu-Craftsman, but not on a Black & Decker.
>No shit its going to use different parts when both tools use a different motor.
Yup, and it’s going to be a different trigger and chuck and brushes on brushed tools because when you’re selling millions of tools, it definitely costs them more money to put high spec parts that can survive 3 years on a jobsite in a Black & Decker tool that is going to sit in your lesbian aunt’s junk drawer.
this is correct, Craftsman corded tools are basically dewalt, I will not buy their cordless line as it's going to have corners cut on the battery etc. Craftsman hand tools are still solid as frick and worth the peace of mind just swapping them at lowes for free
you don't necessarily pay for upgraded hardware it's the warranty that matters. That being said I must buy craftsman for my corded shit and have the same warranty and manufacturer
Dremel should be Godlike it replaces every tool in your toolbox
Yeah except they feel like lava when I push them hard.
Decided to get an air die grinder instead for hard/consistent metal working.
?
dremel kneels to proxxonchad
metabo vs makita grinders. who will win! EPIC GRIND BATTLES!
Metabo according to the list however bosch is simply better
bosch only makes these thing that are good
rotary hammers but they share it with hilti, jigsaws,and routers. I am sorry but anything else Bosch is gonna be hard fighting or shit.
>one moron makes a list
>"this is the accepted tiered brands for all tools regardless of application!"
Aww sweetie. You got buyers remote from your bad dewalt purchases?
>Leaves off the part that if you don't know you have it you could easily give it to someone who'll be permanently debilitated or die from it
You're just as fricktarded.
Nah OP’s list is regarded as the definitive guide from GarageJournal, ToolGuyd, and ProToolReviews. AvE and ProjectFarm refer to it as well.
It's so stupid to categorize it by the entire brand. I'd go with DeWalt or Makita for my miter saw, Milwaukee for my M12 and M18 ratchets and impacts, festool for my sander, SnapOn for my sockets, and Ryobi or Ego for yard eauipment. I'm not buying DeWalt sockets or a Milwaukee table saw.
>festool for my sander
Even there, Mirka or 3M are probably better choices. They do make great Dust Extractors, and the Domino is currently the only tool that does loose tenons so fast, easy, and repeatably.
Shut up idiot
No actual arguments?
Spotted the troony
This is hilarious
https://toolguyd.com/makita-tools-2023-sentiments/
Makita is good because someone else has a charger I can use when I leave mine somewhere dumb. It drills what else does it need to do.
milwaukee should be higher up
The entire chart was built by a moron, really.
No idiot
Idiot, moron, same difference.
have a nice day bot
Sucking that copium, huh?
Bot
truly a tool list
how come this forced meme shit is still in rotation?
Because it is the consensus on Tools
See
By people who don't own any tools.
have a nice day idiotfricker
Spotted a notools.
i just bought makita old style drill
it costs twice as much as same spec bosch
feel like i should've gone cheaper like b&d
buyers remorse is hell
>Makita not even listed
Whats wrong with Milwaukee? We abuse them at work, doesnt seem that bad.
Nothing, really. Solid lineup, good battery system. I'm a bit wary because of the frickery recently with replacing the hammer/anvil assembly on 1/2" impact wrenches with a cheaper design and calling it the same model with zero performance testing that lead to a lot of first-use breakages, but they're mostly good and compete on the same pro tier as DeWalt for a reason.
nothing at all my dude. I run bosch for my drills and circular saw. Everything else is milwaukee
Bosch ain't the strongest but its autistically engineered
I prefer air tools
No, I won't elaborate
I love me some metabo.
But I am from Germany and US bros just have the hpt knockoff bs.
Bosch blue is a meme here for professionals. But it is popular in the diy community. Professionals usually use makita instead.
Würth is another thing professionals use often, mostly because of their support and infrastructure. The specs are fine, but not outstanding. No Würth for diy peeps tho. Pricing for private buyers is through the roof.
DeWalt is pure marketing. Breaks easily and support is meh. Also the tools are often too heavy. DeWalt is nice if you wanna brag about who screws faster. But if you are working with it and are putting in several hundred screws a day, then DeWalt is downright inferior to more comfortable tool brands with lighter weight. In b4 muh masculinity!
swap bosh green and makita and it would be pretty accurate. Also buying milwaukee for personal use is moronic
Is bosch green the “homeowner” grade, or is it made somewhere undesirable or known for low quality?
Germans seem to like metabo but they’re made in russia so they might change their mind whan the literal fallout hits them.
Green is their best and blue is for losers
Most of the stuff isn't made in Germany, their main business afaik are parts for cars.
I've got a green bit set lying around and that's made in Vietnam.
>Most of the stuff isn't made in Germany, their main business afaik are parts for cars.
>I've got a green bit set lying around and that's made in Vietnam.
Was fürne Marke shillst du? Deinen ami gruscht?
Nazi scum
Frick you you dumb piece of shit. Wouldn't be an ocean between us I would catch and torture you to death.
Und was ist mit dir du spastiker? "gruscht"? Bist du zu blöde oder trend-gesteuert? Bist du ebenso ein Black person der meint er wäre deutscher? Wie ich so ein dreckspack hasse!
>>Most of the stuff isn't made in Germany, their main business afaik are parts for cars.
here's the 2021 overview. and even Hilti doesn't solely produce in Germany although I've heard they're extremely robust
Frick off
Spotted the dewalt troony shill
I'm German you fricktard, I don't even know if that DeWalt crap is available here. Pretty pointless anyway when you can get Bosch, Hilti and Makita anywhere.
https://www.auspreiser.de/preise?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwL__1Zba_wIVAwDmCh2ZPw-zEAAYAiAAEgIABfD_BwE&tpid=43&kwcat=21721&q=dewalt%20shop&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=&kwtype=keyword&device=m&utm_source=
I like my ryobi tools cos they're a cool colour
>Snap On
>poverty
You're right.
imagine falling for the powertool noses
>imagine falling for the powertool noses
BOSCH repair parts are almost the cost of a brand-new tool.
>hur dur, just throw away and buy a new one, it's cheap
No, I refuse to live in a rentoid world.
Spotted the hilti troony
Kys
I mean if you’re looking for an older DeWalt drill and a trigger assembly or motor goes out, it might be $60 when you can get a brand new drill and battery for $99. And that’s if parts are available. Gotta weigh your options. Certain tools are so cheap, especially cordless tools, because they’re often sold as loss leaders to get you stuck on the battery platform.
Popular models often have parts on ebay or amazon for cheap though, that’s always sweet. Like my neighbor gave me a Ryobi 18V saw with a dead trigger and it was a common model they sell with tons of starter kits so Amazon had the trigger for like $10 shipped.
Unless you got the rare defective one, though, unless you're constantly using every day by the time you break a DeWalt you're probably going to be looking to upgrade anyways. And if you buy a brushed model in 2023 I kind of feel bad for you, since current models are way more powerful, smaller and lighter, and last longer on the same batteries. But so many people still have fully functional old 18V tools that they have adapters right out on sale to put current 20V batteries in them that it's hard to buy the haters' ideas.
Bosch, Hilti, Metabo and
Stihl are all German ones. I am from Germany and.. Yeah as I bought my very first own driller it had to be one of bosch. In the store the seller advised me a makita, would be better, stronger etc etc. Even the companies renovating houses use more often makita than bosch. (saw that often). Now... Was young and bought my bosch. (blue prof). And it was a bad experience, the power is .. Hm.. Weakly.. The motor rattling. Changed it a week later. Seller told me bosch let's most parts produce in China. So nothing German at all. I was so disappointed about "muh German company". And all that on my first driller.
BUT: Metabo is not low to middle tier shit. It's a very consistent company in Baden-Württemberg near the "swabia alps" (hope I pronounced it right) , make their stuff there, no China, products very stable. Lived a mile next to them a few years ago and knew many people working their in my neighborhood. It's more like a traditional family company with high quality products but less PR and oversea relations.
However, my dad uses to use AEG (German to) and his like 40 years old driller works as he bought it just yesterday.
>Dremel is a brand name
wtf
It is?
There are two boschs?
The green one is sold in Yurop and it’s their homeowner Black & Decker 12V tier tools. I think the green Bosch 12V batteries can be used with certain Dremel 12V tools? Something like that is compatible.
Nonsense, blue are sold in Europe (at least in Germany) too.bought some blue stuff over the years.
Never said blue wasn’t sold in Yurop. I said Green is sold in Yurop and not in North America.
Oh, you're right, sorry. But why? I know the green ones are the "long life" ones.. Is it cause the American market is a very fast short living market where stable products aren't a "good thing" for the sellers? (I mean it isnt a good thing for the company anyways, that's why they build cheap parts, that will break with time, one or two pieces at least, in the machines so you have to buy a new one)
>long life
No, the green Bosch is like weekender tier tools, they’re cheaper and built to a lower standard than blue Bosch. The blue Bosch is definitely going to last longer than the green Bosch.
As fas as why they’re not sold in the US, I’m not sure. Home Depot already has Ryobi for those homeowner tools and they don’t even sell 18V blue tools, only a handful of corded tools like the Bulldog. Lowes is the #2 store and they sell some blue Bosch cordless, but not very prominently compared to DeWalt-Craftsman. They have Skil and Craftsman and maybe Kobalt for the homeowner tools, I guess Bosch doesn’t think it’s worth pushing the cheaper green tools into this market. Both of those stores sell Dremel stuff which is part of Bosch, but even Home Depot replaced lots of that with Ryobi lately. Also DeWalt and the other contractor grade tools are pretty affordable and Ryobi kits are so cheap which seems different compared to Yurop, it would cost Bosch a lot of money to get into stores with the budget tools.
Hm... So it's more a marketing thing? I mean: thing is good, let's make another thing in another color, to get another market..but the quality is the same. Bosch hasn't a good standing point and thats bosch's counteroffence?
>but the quality is the same
No, not really. The green Bosch is built to a lesser standard and isn’t designed to handle as much use and abuse.
Also Bosch blue, the higher end stuff that is sold here, isn’t very popular at all aside from a few corded tools. The manufacturers have to convince the retailers to give them more shelf space and displays, which Bosch obviously doesn’t do in US stores. It would be a long process for them to make any money off the green tools in the US because they would likely need to start convincing tradies that the blue tools are worth buying instead of DeWalt or Makita, and then maybe those guys would get the cheaper green Bosch for their wives or children or some shit.
Isn’t Bosch’s revenue from car parts and shit way higher than their power tools anyway? I don’t think they care all that much about them, especially the cordless tools, which is why Milwaukee and DeWalt are a few years ahead of Blue Bosch and their #1 sellers are the corded SDS and routers that have been the same design for years.
I always thought it was :
Ryobi for home
Bosch blue for pro in EU
Milwaukee for pro in USA
Festool for woodworks
I'm in EU and it's a pain to find Milwaukee (the backpack is fantastic) so for now I stick with Ryobi for my personal use, Bosch blue (the electric screwdriver is awesome) for my work.
in the US it seems like electricians and hvac guys use milwaukee and the rest of the trades use dewalt.(with a few exceptions)
the milwaukee tools have like a $40 premium over dewalts so its more expensive to build a set and more painful when one breaks. electricians and hvac guys generally have clean jobs and are better able to take care of their tools so its ok. also dewalt has the high power cordless tool market cornered with its 60v system, milwaukee has still no answer to this so many years on.
exceptions off the top of my head: the milwaukee corded reciprocating saw is the only recip worth buying.
the bosch hammer drills are the only ones worth buying.
>the bosch hammer drills are the only ones worth buying.
Either this or Hilti.
hilti is good i have used it but its super expensive stuff tradies aren't going to buy. a guy who owns a blue collar business might.
also you have to go through a hilti dealer. a lot is to be said for being able to walk into any home depot, lowes, or ace hardware in the country and buy a battery for your tool or another tool for your battery.
Just make sure to stay away from these:
TE50-V2: TE40 gearbox that can't survive SDS-Max drills
TE30 (brushless) - Rotor shield bearing breaks too easily, floods the motor with oil
TE70-V3: moronic gearbox design where pinion and bevel won't align because the bevel sits on a plastic bushing, noisy magnetic coupling
t. ex-repaircuck @ Hilti
>Milwaukee has still no answer
Milwaukee’s big 18V packs keep up with the DeWalt Flexvolt in most situations. Remember that the FlexVolt packs are 15 cells in series, Milwaukee will sell you a 12.0 pack that is the same frickin thing as some larger Flexvolt packs but wired in a different way.
Also Milwaukee has MX Fuel for real big tools that would normally be run off gasoline.
I've got DeWalt cordless tools, but I went with Bosch for a corded random orbit sander. $59 and outperforms basically every other sander in the price range. Decently comfortable in use, too.
Those are just big 18v batteries, while Flexvolt actually provides triple the voltage for the heavy-duty tools. If you compare the 16" chainsaws being sold tool-only, the Milwaukee is $40 more for a tool with a weaker motor. But the factor to consider isn't just "which is better on a tool by tool basis."
Getting multiple brands of tools can get expensive fast, and it's always cheaper to get a few bundles with batteries to start then add bare tools later on, unless you find a really good deal on a bundle later (I was going to get the jigsaw/router combo HD had when it came with two 6AH batteries, but the dropped the batteries but kept the pair at the same price, well above what they're at separate on Amazon) But the drill with hammer mode and 850 Impact driver + 2 4AH batteries at $320 was a solid deal. Just the batteries/bag/charger they came with was basically $200 in free stuff. So you have to think and weigh the entire system and what you want out of it instead of just one tool.
>triple the voltage
If you understand electricity, it doesn’t mean that much. Not even going to read that whole longpost until you understand that an 18V 12.0Ah pack = 36V/40V 6.0Ah = 60V 4.0Ah, except DeWalt does their marketing BS where they call it a 60V 9.0Ah pack when it’s really 9.0Ah @ 18V and 3.0Ah @ 56V
The only brand that has a 12V lineup worth a damn is Milwaukee. And you shouldn’t buy into a 12V setup first, you should get all of the main 18V tools first and if you’re in a trade where you need specific compact tools, then get down on some 12V stuff for those jobs where you won’t need a full size saw or anything.
If you buy into Bosch or Makita or DeWalt 12V, even Milwaukee 12V as your first cordless tool, you will never be able to use those batteries on a regular 6-1/2” or 7-1/4” saw or full size sawzall or 4.5” angle grinder.
>If you understand electricity, it doesn’t mean that much. Not even going to read that whole longpost until you understand that an 18V 12.0Ah pack = 36V/40V 6.0Ah = 60V 4.0Ah, except DeWalt does their marketing BS where they call it a 60V 9.0Ah pack when it’s really 9.0Ah @ 18V and 3.0Ah @ 56V
And everyone buying it understands that on the AH rating. But the reality is that the 60V tools often outperform even the corded models.
There’s like 3 or 4 60V tools, and Milwaukee realized that you could get it done with an 18V pack because it’s the same power in that battery pack.
Those chink grinders don't keep up with the 60v version, and you can pry my flexvolt miter saw from my cold dead hands.
Get on my level!
Did bosch finally make batteries that don't suck?
Which brand would you recommends in 12V ?
DIY / Pro / EU / USA
Generally? I wouldn't recommend 12V unless you just need a bare minimum tool for occasional stuff like putting in a drywall anchor or need a compact tool to keep handy.
That said, it seems like Milwaukee and Makita are the two brands with the most extensive 12v tool systems, but it's still going to do you a lot better to just get Ryobi 18v if you're really at that pricing level, they're less expensive, good enough quality for DIY, and will be more powerful than the 12V tools.
+1 except the part about Makita, their 12V line is awful as well. Milwaukee is the only 12V line that has tools worth buying. Makita did that moronic thing where they switched from a 12V barrel pack like Milwaukee to a slide pack so now they can’t even make 12V ratchets or multitools with a slim body like Milwaukee. And since Makita is moronic, their 12V slide packs don’t use the same charger as the 18V like DeWalt does with their multi-volt chargers.
Yep, at work (small IT department) we've got a basic Makita drill/driver set with the old barrel batteries, and they work great for little stuff like rackmount screws and so on. But I bring in my big boy DeWalts for any serious stuff now, like mounting TVs and video conferencing installs on which can include some tough tasks like putting holes in cabinets and conference tables.
I have a 18V Ryobi set but I don't use it that often and it's big for my use-case, so I was thinking of selling/gifting the set and buying something smaller for the rare occasion.
Milwaukee and DeWalt are really hard to find at retail prices here so it's mostly Makita Bosch or AEG (=Rigdid right ?) for 12V I guess
Of those, Bosch 12v, the blue ones. They have nice little impact drivers and assembly drivers.
>12v tools
Are you a weak little girl? Cringe
I'm a harbor freight guy. Yeah chicago electric is good enough for me.
Table saw, laser level, miter saw - Bosch
Circular saw - old Milwaukee or skilsaw or makita
Battery tools: dewalt because frick buying multiple batteries
Grinder: Makita
Hand electric planer: Makita
Levels: Stabila, anything else is a waste of money
Corded hammer drill: Bosch
Nail guns will all jam so they all suck wiener but get a palm nailer its essential
Kobalt master race
Born and raised poor as hell my first power tool was a 18v Coleman drill from Biglots. I was so proud of it, it was pretty good for what it was. 15 years later and I'm all Black & Decker now. Saw's + almost every 20v tool they got. I love my Black & Decker tools they get the job done.
I'm gonna get a few tools for hobby use. CORDED ONLY. Please advise for optimizing value:
Jigsaw -
Recip Saw - Milwaukee? Other?
Grinder - Makita. Everybody knows that.
Jigsaw - Bosch
Recip saw - Milwaukee
One thing to look into with a jigsaw: try out both D-handle and Barrel grip models and see which you prefer first.
You want this one. If you only have one angle grinder get a 6" for the cutting disks (I've not used my hacksaw in many years).
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003S3SOUO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
You may as well buy a used corded Milwaukee off Ebay because they're nearly immortal. Get the quick change chuck style. There are many cheap corded tools with little use on Ebay. Milwaukee parts abound but unless you constantly cut scrap steel etc like me you won't need them.
Example, not mine as I don't sell tools:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/125901197264?hash=item1d504bcfd0:g:RdMAAOSw8NZkPY7w&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwE6UBNHSSUVs0AI6rNEjIg5jqWga%2FCh02nkPqOF%2BcC1stK%2Fw2IFBQVz5VikuXjzmNH%2B4gAG7sUeeXAukEdF%2BBBDIIUpNgBFUhJjuMtwkl01DJ4fRQSO2u9H4TY8Wnpweld0AsiuO%2FlYlhVmbgR6jFWOJWHfcwnrqg4S57U52eyASuy6rHIXwo%2BLuEmnnhBDaeRfA5Y9jQ9uwOFrMgRdu7ezVExJvgy%2F0sHyetTG9JP%2BM7gkot2qsqJnRutM6QORRCw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8jFuvSiYg
I just use whatever jigsaw is handy and like my yard sale corded Milwaukee. I've got plenty of corded, cordless and pneumatic tools so no dog in that fight. A corded worm-drive Skil saw is a joy to use. Bagged one at a yard sale since I had other saws but should have got one years ago.
I had an old D handle Porter Cable (USA made) that was great. Now I have a Bosch barrel handle that is quite ok, but I don't use as much. The Bosch only has an on/off switch and a dial to adjust the speed, whereas the PC was all in the trigger. Also, the barrel isn't as comfortable to hold, and I have large hands (wear large/xl medical gloves).
As for the grinder, make sure the speed is adjustable. The slow start is slightly annoying, but not terrible. I've had good luck with Makita, Bosch, Metabo and DeWalt.
Meanwhile, in the real world, the pros are all using DeWalt, Makita, and Milwaukee while you circle jerk in your underwear to Bosch.
No Proto, no Klein, no westward...is this just a list of home depot tools?
Nope, HD doesn't have half of those brands. They're heavy with DeWalt, Milwaukee, and Ryobi in the cordless aisle. Makita and Rigid have a presence as well.
I'm pretty sure the image was made by a European. Bosch is basically a non-entity in the US outside corded sanders, routers, and heavy duty hammer drills.
Also, why would companies that don't make power tools be on a list of power tool brands?
yeah, it's a list of power tool brands, but image says tool brands
Bosch 12v any good?
12v in general isn't very good unless you only need a bare minimum tool or need a mini version of a tool for your specific work. I've had to use a 12V drill/drive kit, and they work fine for easy stuff, like rackmounting and drywall anchor installs, but they got really ineffective fast for anything harder.
If you're considering the 12V because they're cheaper than 18V, not because you want something ultracompact, get Ryobi instead. Or if you're in the US, at the same pricing range is DeWalt and Milwaukee, which are a lot easier to find and bargain hunt on.
Like other anon said, it’s not a replacement for 18V. But if you want a real compact impact driver for situations where lower power is ok, sure. They’re nice working under the hood of cars where you need to pull off two dozen 8mm and 10mm fasteners before you can access anything. Milwaukee’s 12V line has far more tools than Bosch though.
Also depends on the tools you want. Because if you want a lighter duty drill and impact driver for those small jobs, a lot of brands have compact or subcompact 18V drills and impact drivers. Pair them with the right battery and they’re just as compact as the 12V stuff, plus you can stay on one battery platform for all of the cordless tools since nobody sells full size 12V saws or tons of other tools that most people will need.
The DeWalt DCF850 1/4" impact driver is an absolute beast, and completely without needing a "for its size" qualifier.
Milwaukee just dropped new “compact” drills and an impact driver that are like the Atomic. They’re a nice replacement for 12V IMO because the bodies are the same size and if you can get something like those DeWalt Powerstack packs or even a 2.0 battery, they’re the same damn size as a 12V with a 4.0Ah pack and pretty close to the same power in the battery. Plus they have like the power of a full sized 18V brushed tool.
The little 18V impact driver in the pic ended up being way better than expected. It gets all of its power from a high speed motor, so it will put out good torque when you’re on the trigger, but it can handle finesse jobs way better than the full size 2000in-lb 18V drivers. Even at low speed, those high power impact drivers will wreck small fasteners because the hammer and anvil and spring are just too large.
Set the DW down to mode 1 and it doesn't impact drive the screws, and I haven't had issues when needing a little more oomph on screws at 2.
DeWalt never did what Ridgid did when they wanted all of their Octane tools to be “Most Power In Class!”, I know they kept the torque to a more reasonable number and Milwaukee made their 1/4” Fuel 18V drivers small with lots of speed, but the 200ft-lb Ridgid doesn’t love small applications, which is why the 12V and subcompact 18V get way more use than the 18V. The bigger one makes a good 3/8” impact wrench until you snap the adapter.
/sp/artan here looking to start buying power tools. I am currently using some old ass hand me downs. What system that isn't milwaukee should I use. I am only using the tools around my property. Is a dewalt battery and drill with some cheap bauer tools a good setup?
>Bauer
Avoid. Their warranty is trash unless you buy the extended plan for an extra like 20%+. Ryobi is the way to go for weekenders. They have by far the largest selection of the homeowner brands (Ryobi, Bauer, Craftsman, Skil, etc) and they almost always have sales at Home Depot. Price out Bauer stuff at Harbor Freight when you need a couple batteries and chargers, then look at Ryobi at Home Depot where you can get 2x 4.0Ah packs and a charger for $99 plus a free tool, or 3x HP batteries, a charger, and a brushless tool for $199.
Ryobi also has a 3 year warranty from the factory compared to Bauer’s 90 days. And if you go Ryobi, you can go with the HP stuff if you want the higher demand tools you will be using multiple times a week and skip the DeWalt, then get the cheaper non-HP Ryobi for stuff like the router you may only need once or twice a year.
more like this.
Hitachi is no more - now Hikoki.
Dewalt is great for woodworks.
Bosch has great serviceability.
Hilti is pro only. Way too expensive. Top Q
Bosch green is mid tier consumer brand. Some great products.
Makita is prosumer+, could have better service solutions
Wtf ryobi rules. Bullshit post.
Why get cordless tools? Are you people routinely working in places where power isn’t installed yet? I can’t think of another legitimate reason (more complexity, lower power, etc)
Corded tools can be a huge pain in the ass even in a well-equipped workshop. There's a reason 80% of old corded circular saws have the cord taped back together.
I can get my cordless tools into tight spots you're going to have trouble with.
And modern brushless models can outperform corded tools.
Doesn’t seem worth it to me to have to frick with batteries, charging, different incompatible systems, etc. Sure you have to manage the cords reasonably, I usually hang them from above if that is going to be a problem. And stuff like dremel is for the tight spots.
>Doesn’t seem worth it to me to have to frick with batteries,
Wow, it's so hard to pick one up and slap it in, and set it in a charger once in a while.
>different incompatible systems
So plan ahead, research what tier of tools you're likely to really need, and what brand has the tools you'll want, and buy one brand.
I mean, it's your shop and tools, but cordless makes things so much easier for most tasks. Especially if you're working on something larger and need to move around it a lot. The exception is if you're doing something where you need good dust collection, like sanding, track sawing, etc., and have a hose hooked up anyways.
I already have pretty much everything I need, either corded or hand tools. Exceptions would be a reciprocating saw and possibly an impact driver if I were to do something with lots of screws, but it doesn’t seem worth it to start a whole battery setup just for that. I’d need 2 chargers since I usually work in 2 different places, or it would be yet another thing to lug around in the truck.
Not trying to convince anyone but cordless doesn’t convince me much so far either.
In my case I don't have a dedicated "shop" space, I just have to work where I can, and not needing to worry about where to plug in, run cords, etc., is fantastic.I'm my company's entire IT, and by extension, AV, department, so I get to do fun stuff like hang TVs and install conferencing systems, so cordless drill, driver, and a 1/2 gallon vacuum have been a great set of tools. And my closest thing to a "shop" at home is setting my portable workbench up outside my patio door to my apartment.
I share your mindset but there are tools justifiably cordless. Here's how I see it from a casual perspective:
Mandatory cordless:
* drill/driver - these go to many places, to many ends of the home, vertical and horizontal. One day you'll be in your attic unscrewing a bathroom vent or walking the perimiter of your home screwing in coaxial cable holders. The drill must be highly mobile and should have batteries.
* lawnmower - gas or battery only. Corded lawnmowing quickly destroys the human psyche and soul.
Helpful cordless:
* circular saw - more convenient but the hassle of batteries may not be worth alleviating the cord dance
Everything else:
* At this point it's if you're in a battery ecosystem = "MightAsWellGetCordless(TOOL) HaveBatteriesAnyway", and also how much it bothers you to have to plug in a given tool.
I only have cordless drill/drivers.
Jigsaws: Cordless.
Routers: Depends. Trim routers should be cordless, heavy duty models or one one get to put in a table? corded.
Sanders: Don't bother with cordless, Ideally you've got it on a dust extractor anyways, and the battery can make it balance weird.
Jointing tools(Biscuit, domino, etc): Corded.
Circular Saw: Depends on use, but a decent cordless circ saw can help those without pickup trucks move materials by being able to break a plywood sheet down in the parking lot or something.
Track Saw: Corded should be what you use. These are also best on an extractor.
Miter Saw: only get cordless if you're a contractor.
Table Saw: same
Many DIYers work at a professional or semi-pro level on our personal homes, vehicles and equipment.
Not dragging cords over/into vehicles is a timesaver vs. placing a blanket etc when doing interior work. Cordless screw removal is insanely handy and avoids carpal tunnel which most old mechanics have symptoms of. New mechanics tend to go cordless for speed and efficiency.
Cordless solves not having a corded power option in salvage yards or a convenient one on the road (I have large inverters too to run corded tools). The drivetrains I pull not only paid for my recip saw and cordless impacts but they'd have been utterly impractical to harvest in the time available without them.
Speed and convenience are a major win for cordless. Time is money and effort even for DIY. I do not DIY out of poverty, I do it to get what I want when I want it without fuss though it's a great income effectiveness multiplier. Were I rich I'd upgrade my shop and live in that rather than a conventional home. My dream shop is Lockheed Ft. Worth.
Then don't go cordless but don't try to sell that idea to people who have been wrenching and working professionally and for ourselves for decades. If you just hang pictures around the house etc then you will be fine, but many of us repair, maintain, modify and upgrade nearly everything we own and that is not at all rare. I use corded and pneumatic tools too but as cordless improve the pneumatics mostly sit. The only reason I'm adding two 5 HP industrial compressors (considerably larger than consumer babby shit whose motors don't like real HP) is for abrasive blasting.
Cordless in 2023 is very convenient and much more so than dragging cord or air hose. I'll drag cord when dragging welding cables but if I've little cutting and grinding to do I'll just drag the cables.
I've never used a good Dremel tool
Dremel gays need to fricking stop
Dremel is green Bosch-tier isn't it?
Dremel is great for their little precision rotary tools. Not so much anything bigger. There's a reason a lot of people call all small tools like that a "Dremel."
where does wera rank?
They make hand tools, not power tools.
Overpriced mediocre meme tools with a big social media campaign. Their screwdrivers and hex keys are decent but everything else is middle of the pack or lower but cost as much as far better tools.
Also they’re kind of gay.
I use dewalt because I was gifted a 20v cordless drill as a housewarming gift and I don't like using different proprietary batteries, so I stuck with dewalt for everything else.
what do you think about hyundai? they make multitools and I'm in a market for a wired multitool
inb4
>muh cordless
it's just for DIY, and cords aren't a real issue for my use cases
Where are you at? The US?
It could be some rebranded Hart tier stuff from one of the major OEM’s. Like Ford had some drills and impacts, and there were AC Delco tools, and now those Catepillar tools are coming back, but they’re not actually manufactured by the automobile companies and you gotta do more research.
The Ford tools looked like some Costco tool kit, not sure where they sold them. The AC Delco stuff actually looked like good tools but were outdated. And the CAT tools are being sold somewhere and look somewhere between Skil and Flex tier but can’t remember who makes them.
not US
but I'm assuming the tools should be at least decent
after all most profits come from the automotive branch of the company, it would be moronic to completely tarnish the name and lose buyers this way
especially for a less established brand like Hyundai
That’s why if I were to guess, I would bet it’s like a Hart-Ryobi-green Bosch tier set. Like solid for homeowners and some DIY projects, but not pro level.
Depends how deep you’re going to get into it too. If you’re serious, go with a more established brand so you have more support and selection after spending $$$ on batteries. If you’re just buying a cordless drill, then try the Hyundai if it’s affordable.
>should be at least decent
Listen, the tools are from some Chinese factory who paid Hyundai a few bucks to use the name so people like you would see the Hyundai name on the tools and think exactly what you think. But then again, Home Depot in the US did the same thing when they bought the use of the Ridgid name and slapped it on the orange power tools which are sold elsewhere as AEG, and they’re not too bad.
Anyway, they kind of remind me of Worx. I’m sure they’re fine for once a month DIY projects. Just remember though if you buy into them heavily, there’s no telling if they will still be around in 5 years when you want to buy a couple more batteries.
Worx makes some great outdoor tools, the Jawsaw is a really nice pruning tool, for example. But they also aren't compatible with their own brand batteries 80% of the time.
Speaking of that, the Hyundai lineup actually doesn’t look bad for a cheap homeowner set with the yard tools. Could be worse.
>only thing that matters is quality control
Ehh, I would say design and quality of parts is pretty big.
But to your point, that’s how Harbor Freight profits and that’s why most of their stuff other than hand tools come with a 90 day warranty. If they’re lucky, you won’t even get a 2nd use out of the tool until the 90 days is up.
all tools are from some asian factory
"made in USA with global materials" just means they put the stickers on in USA
only thing that matters is quality control, not country of origin
Just saw a factory video on Keyang power tools…. They actually *make* them in korea and they look to be decently made. Too bad you can’t buy them anywhere around here.
I suspect the likes of japan and korea didn’t want to be hostages of china so they maintain the ability to actually make shit. The US will keel over when china decides it’s time to restrict exports.
I was looking over this list and realized I've made some really poor choices with my tools. Can you guys recommend a good 12 ton track loader?
Especially interested in hearing from autists that just collect tools or underage morons.
Thanks
Used Caterpillar for a big 12 ton. Can be used as a loader or bulldozer.
Smaller one...Bobcat.
These are the ones I see working road construction. I only saw one break down once and was fixed in an hour in the field.
>Dremel in the "good TOOLS" tier
This is bait, right?
My favorite tools are air tools when I can stay in one area.
No vibrations in the hands compared to electric. Sound cool, more power. Just a good time.
Rothenberger is absolutely top tier brand for plumbers.
Ridgid has some of the same tools, but the red Ridgid, not the orange one. Kind of confuses me how they put out 18V tools under both branches.
That shit is expensive though from Ridgid and Rothenberger, it would be hard not to go M18 these days since they even have a vacuum pump now. DeWalt even has some of the crimper tools on their 20V line and they’re probably half the cost of the specialty plumbing brands.
Wow surprised the M18 isn’t cheaper. DeWalt 20V is $3300 with 6 jaws.
>tfw dad has started buying Ryobi tools
He's had decent tools all his life, what do I do? Do we put him in a home?
Don’t worry, the cordless tools will be outdated when he dies and you will want the newest Flex 128V graphene batteries. Let him buy Ryobi and have all his brushless yard tools and HP power tools that are better than his old NiCd Makita and you can get more $$$ when he dies to buy Milwaukee xDieselx 72V Quantum tools.
Harbor Freight's Bauer brand is good.
Such a poor decision. Ryobi is a better buy in every way.
>Harbor Freight
>Good
No, anon, no. Their tools might work OK for a little while, but they're easier to burn out and guaranteed to lose in performance.
There are certain things that are fine to buy there. Shop towels, gloves, other consumables. They make decent countersinks. Certain heavy equipment tools like lathes can be hit or miss.
Don't frick yourself with their cordless tools.
Don’t forget it’s a 90-day warranty on those Bauer battery packs with zero protection inside them. Lots of boomers are going to be buying new Bauer batteries every spring when they put their trimmer away in the fall with a low and unbalaced pack and it turns into a brick over the winter.
I dont know about you guys, but DeWalt has been the family tool brand. And they're damn fine.
t. Family works in Mexican-tier OSHA-violating cedar-shake roofing