If i remember correctly, there was an anon that claimed to be a UA soldier and made an entire post about not taking POWs because of how risky it is. I remember the post, but don't remember the thread it originated from.
iirc the Aidar Battalion neither took prisoners or was taken prisoner, so in some cases its a mutual agreement
other times Russian perfidy causes problems
its more people to take care of and a slower movement speed + a chance for infiltration by Russian agents
When it came to pows, he said he didn’t bother with anyone who wasn’t an officer, as it was too risky after too many close-calls for his liking, and the average Russian soldier had little value.
Other anons don’t want to believe he could be real because they thought his writing was too good, as if all Ukrainians should type like Yakov Smirnoff speaks.
Azov does take them.
Ironic this is what the pow anon was talking about. He said they all say the same story about being poor, having alimony to pay, were prisoners who were forced to fight and have no real information on anything. Then you go and share this. >I was a prisoner. I don’t know anything.
kek.
pow anon is a killer in his natural habitat, a civil war that’s turned as nasty as the Balkan wars. The war will produce more like him on both sides.
Examples of fake surrenders I could find
https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-surrendering-russian-pulls-grenade-on-ukrainian-troops/
How many more times has this happened off camera? I don’t think it’s endemic, but it’s clearly happened often enough.
this happened a lot in the eastern front anon. you're dealing with at least one side that culturally does not give a frick about western views of surrender, its only a matter of time until some moron decides perfidy is a "neat trick" and ruins all chance of future surrenders between those two units.
This shit reminds me of the WWII stories my dad used to tell me about. His uncle fought the Japs in the former Dutch East Indies and encountered Jap fake surrenders quite often, he lost a couple of friends to this shit. A bullet is the best panacea for a perfidious enemy. TzD
That video showed two of his guys getting killed after Russian faked surrender. No wonder he wasn't in the mood to try again.
"No prisoners Anon" is a larper, he writes like an American teenager and says only the most edgy dumb shit that completely coincidentally dovetails nicely with Russian propaganda.
In the video discussed in that thread OP, at 9:05 the Uke shouts at the Russians to surrender but doesn't get a response, then continues pushing forward.
At 10:40 it seems like they picked up a Russian POW.
At 18:10 a reinforcement who's just joined the fight shouts to the lead to shout at the Russians to surrender (again), and then the line comes "I don't need them alive".
Unless I'm missing something or the translation is incorrect, it's kinda understandable, he initially gave them a chance and only said that after seeing a couple of his squad-mates get WIA/KIA, and getting hosed down by a fricking PKM.
>It is a warcrime not to accept quarter and it is a warcrime to announce no quarter will be given.
not accepting surrender is not the same as no quarter
I mean the no accepting surrender thing can mean that even if the enemy clearly disarms and starts walking towards you(6th army in Stalingrad) and you just machine gun them.
This is a close combat situation where anything can happen and you are being actively engaged from multiple points, and the enemy has proven their willingness to falsely surrender.
If someone is surrendering to you you should try to allow them to live to capture. You are not obligated to expose yourself to any harm or risk. You're just not supposed to shoot people while they're surrendering.
Mid-battle you often cannot accept a surrender. Not accepting a surrender in the moment doesn't mean you don't allow the surrender. They're just waiting until the situation allows their surrender to complete safely.
You are not obligated to accept surrender in cases where it is unsafe to do so. If memory serves right by that point in the video there was approximately ~12 Ukrainians +/- a few, and roughly equally numbers of entrenched Russian defenders actively firing on their position with at least one PKM + other assorted small arms. Sucks to suck for the one guy out of the lot that wants to surrender.
It's two guys talking, the POV guy says to smoke them, his partner is calling for capture.
Anyway, I think he's right, the entire video we see them shout at the Russians for surrender and they lose two guys, they gave them ample time to give up, they didn't so they get a frag into the pidor hole.
it's not as bloody and cool like in the movies, russians are just fricking moronic and too many people died because of all the perfidy bullshit. if they're not straight up walking out with hands in the air, it's a lot eaiser to just frag these morons instead of begging them to surrender and be done with it.
Taking a POW as an individual? Frick that shit, maybe if I already shot him up and disarmed him and he's still kicking for some reason.
If it's on the unit level sure, if you treat them with respect you can usually rely on enemy leadership to enforce the surrender.
Can depend on just how overwhelming your overall military presence is though.
What he's saying is, in the movie "Pulp Fiction" the character played by Christopher Walken portrays himself as a POW that served with Butch's father (portrayed by Bruce Willis.)
However, Walken's character is NOT wearing the POW ribbon on his "dress blues" uniform.
could you theoretically take Ukies hostage and just port them around with you everywhere so they don't drop drone bombs on you? like just mark them up real well to demonstrate they're Ukes with lots of blue and yellow paint, and when the zoomer sees this with his drone he won't drop a nade because it'll kill the Ukie prisoner too?
this can't be illegal, right? you're just transporting a prisoner, albeit in a very roundabout way.
>Human shields are legally protected persons—either civilians or prisoners of war—who are either coerced or volunteer to deter attacks by occupying the space between a belligerent and a legitimate military target.[1] The use of human shields is forbidden by Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions. It is also a specific intent war crime as codified in the Rome Statute, which was adopted in 1998.[2][3] The language of the Rome Statute prohibits "utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas, or military forces immune from military operations."
>bro stop breaking the rules so we can keep blowing you up with Mavics >remember that Geneva thingy says you can't keep our guys as human shields that's a battlefield no-no >hope that doesn't result in you taking less prisoners from now on and just killing them before they can surrender/ignoring their surrender >no seriously bro stop cheating >get away from that POW so I can fly an Airhog packed with C4 into your face
Seems like war crimes aren't war crimes unless you lose and your enemy is able to put you on trial.
The point of 'you must accept your enemy's surrender' is completely moot if your enemy has a well proven track record of false surrender.
This is exponentially more so in CQC like trench clearing where you don't really have the time to check if they guy surrendering to you is hiding a grenade or not.
I used to think it was a waste of time to teach people what is and is not appropriate conduct in a war but holy frick. This thread is proof that the average human is a gorilla Black person that can't into ethics.
Ethics are a tool, quid pro quo, not an obligation in any moral sense in cultural war. Autists crave them but autists don't understand life in any real way. They just ree when abstract constructs of little use in reality are defied.
The practical necessities of war trump silly ideals, especially when fighting Asiatics.
We dont know the full story heared he was a rapist then I have no sympathy. I hear during hurricane Katrina pedos and rapists were hung from rafters and left there as a warning to others. People turn primal sometimes. Theres been a lot of war crime videos from both sides. The old man being hit by a tank shell, the captured pows being shot in the back of the spine to make them paralysed the god knows what the chechens did those people are not nice and theres stories of them
Black person, were you not here when /chug/ was linking hurtcore cp (the toddler rape video) on catbox as a gotcha? One side does this way more than the other, they brag about it one second and claim it never happened the next, and it's not the Ukies.
Soldiers aren't obliged to accept surrender
They weren't surrendering
If i remember correctly, there was an anon that claimed to be a UA soldier and made an entire post about not taking POWs because of how risky it is. I remember the post, but don't remember the thread it originated from.
iirc the Aidar Battalion neither took prisoners or was taken prisoner, so in some cases its a mutual agreement
other times Russian perfidy causes problems
its more people to take care of and a slower movement speed + a chance for infiltration by Russian agents
When it came to pows, he said he didn’t bother with anyone who wasn’t an officer, as it was too risky after too many close-calls for his liking, and the average Russian soldier had little value.
Other anons don’t want to believe he could be real because they thought his writing was too good, as if all Ukrainians should type like Yakov Smirnoff speaks.
Ironic this is what the pow anon was talking about. He said they all say the same story about being poor, having alimony to pay, were prisoners who were forced to fight and have no real information on anything. Then you go and share this.
>I was a prisoner. I don’t know anything.
kek.
pow anon is a killer in his natural habitat, a civil war that’s turned as nasty as the Balkan wars. The war will produce more like him on both sides.
Examples of fake surrenders I could find
https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-surrendering-russian-pulls-grenade-on-ukrainian-troops/
How many more times has this happened off camera? I don’t think it’s endemic, but it’s clearly happened often enough.
this happened a lot in the eastern front anon. you're dealing with at least one side that culturally does not give a frick about western views of surrender, its only a matter of time until some moron decides perfidy is a "neat trick" and ruins all chance of future surrenders between those two units.
Ziggers aren't worth taking prisoner. Execute them and leave them for the birds. You'd be coing the world a service.
They should he executed, just don't fricking televise it on telegram god damnit
Don't you get tired of making these threads instead of about your actual successes
Take your meds, I made this thread because I was away from /k/ for a while.
Chuju.
This shit reminds me of the WWII stories my dad used to tell me about. His uncle fought the Japs in the former Dutch East Indies and encountered Jap fake surrenders quite often, he lost a couple of friends to this shit. A bullet is the best panacea for a perfidious enemy. TzD
Isnt fake surrounding also a war crime?
That video showed two of his guys getting killed after Russian faked surrender. No wonder he wasn't in the mood to try again.
"No prisoners Anon" is a larper, he writes like an American teenager and says only the most edgy dumb shit that completely coincidentally dovetails nicely with Russian propaganda.
In the video discussed in that thread OP, at 9:05 the Uke shouts at the Russians to surrender but doesn't get a response, then continues pushing forward.
At 10:40 it seems like they picked up a Russian POW.
At 18:10 a reinforcement who's just joined the fight shouts to the lead to shout at the Russians to surrender (again), and then the line comes "I don't need them alive".
Unless I'm missing something or the translation is incorrect, it's kinda understandable, he initially gave them a chance and only said that after seeing a couple of his squad-mates get WIA/KIA, and getting hosed down by a fricking PKM.
timestamp of the fake surrender?
Soldiers aren't obligated to offer the enemy a chance to surrender. You can kill the enemy while they're sleeping or unaware.
It is a warcrime not to accept quarter and it is a warcrime to announce no quarter will be given.
>It is a warcrime not to accept quarter and it is a warcrime to announce no quarter will be given.
not accepting surrender is not the same as no quarter
I mean the no accepting surrender thing can mean that even if the enemy clearly disarms and starts walking towards you(6th army in Stalingrad) and you just machine gun them.
This is a close combat situation where anything can happen and you are being actively engaged from multiple points, and the enemy has proven their willingness to falsely surrender.
If someone is surrendering to you you should try to allow them to live to capture. You are not obligated to expose yourself to any harm or risk. You're just not supposed to shoot people while they're surrendering.
Mid-battle you often cannot accept a surrender. Not accepting a surrender in the moment doesn't mean you don't allow the surrender. They're just waiting until the situation allows their surrender to complete safely.
You are not obligated to accept surrender in cases where it is unsafe to do so. If memory serves right by that point in the video there was approximately ~12 Ukrainians +/- a few, and roughly equally numbers of entrenched Russian defenders actively firing on their position with at least one PKM + other assorted small arms. Sucks to suck for the one guy out of the lot that wants to surrender.
>an American teenager and says only the most edgy dumb shit that completely coincidentally dovetails nicely with Russian propaganda.
Sigh. I had my hopes up.
Yeah. He thought that if he uses "pidor" enough everyone will believe him
I think it's just a translation issue. He's like, surrender or not, I don't care.
It's two guys talking, the POV guy says to smoke them, his partner is calling for capture.
Anyway, I think he's right, the entire video we see them shout at the Russians for surrender and they lose two guys, they gave them ample time to give up, they didn't so they get a frag into the pidor hole.
>they get a frag into the pidor hole
L-lewd
it's not as bloody and cool like in the movies, russians are just fricking moronic and too many people died because of all the perfidy bullshit. if they're not straight up walking out with hands in the air, it's a lot eaiser to just frag these morons instead of begging them to surrender and be done with it.
Nice try fsb
Take your meds durna pało.
Entire thread is inorganic
Taking a POW as an individual? Frick that shit, maybe if I already shot him up and disarmed him and he's still kicking for some reason.
If it's on the unit level sure, if you treat them with respect you can usually rely on enemy leadership to enforce the surrender.
Can depend on just how overwhelming your overall military presence is though.
What he's saying is, in the movie "Pulp Fiction" the character played by Christopher Walken portrays himself as a POW that served with Butch's father (portrayed by Bruce Willis.)
However, Walken's character is NOT wearing the POW ribbon on his "dress blues" uniform.
He was lying. Simple as.
WTF
>they give out ribbons for being taken prisoner
snowflake society
Expect suicide bombers.
could you theoretically take Ukies hostage and just port them around with you everywhere so they don't drop drone bombs on you? like just mark them up real well to demonstrate they're Ukes with lots of blue and yellow paint, and when the zoomer sees this with his drone he won't drop a nade because it'll kill the Ukie prisoner too?
this can't be illegal, right? you're just transporting a prisoner, albeit in a very roundabout way.
>Human shields are legally protected persons—either civilians or prisoners of war—who are either coerced or volunteer to deter attacks by occupying the space between a belligerent and a legitimate military target.[1] The use of human shields is forbidden by Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions. It is also a specific intent war crime as codified in the Rome Statute, which was adopted in 1998.[2][3] The language of the Rome Statute prohibits "utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas, or military forces immune from military operations."
>bro stop breaking the rules so we can keep blowing you up with Mavics
>remember that Geneva thingy says you can't keep our guys as human shields that's a battlefield no-no
>hope that doesn't result in you taking less prisoners from now on and just killing them before they can surrender/ignoring their surrender
>no seriously bro stop cheating
>get away from that POW so I can fly an Airhog packed with C4 into your face
Seems like war crimes aren't war crimes unless you lose and your enemy is able to put you on trial.
What he's saying is that it wouldn't stop anyone from killing you. Human shields don't work either legally or practically.
Azov does take them.
Damn, always knew it was the ukranian making all these gay videos
The point of 'you must accept your enemy's surrender' is completely moot if your enemy has a well proven track record of false surrender.
This is exponentially more so in CQC like trench clearing where you don't really have the time to check if they guy surrendering to you is hiding a grenade or not.
I don't blame them.
I used to think it was a waste of time to teach people what is and is not appropriate conduct in a war but holy frick. This thread is proof that the average human is a gorilla Black person that can't into ethics.
Ethics are a tool, quid pro quo, not an obligation in any moral sense in cultural war. Autists crave them but autists don't understand life in any real way. They just ree when abstract constructs of little use in reality are defied.
The practical necessities of war trump silly ideals, especially when fighting Asiatics.
Remember when vatniks spent a whole week pushing their video of a Ukie POW getting castrated as their main "gotcha"?
We dont know the full story heared he was a rapist then I have no sympathy. I hear during hurricane Katrina pedos and rapists were hung from rafters and left there as a warning to others. People turn primal sometimes. Theres been a lot of war crime videos from both sides. The old man being hit by a tank shell, the captured pows being shot in the back of the spine to make them paralysed the god knows what the chechens did those people are not nice and theres stories of them
Black person, were you not here when /chug/ was linking hurtcore cp (the toddler rape video) on catbox as a gotcha? One side does this way more than the other, they brag about it one second and claim it never happened the next, and it's not the Ukies.