Came across pic rel recently and it has got me thinking about .22 in general. Is it actually useful? Shit? And is it true that button men prefer it or is it just old Hollywood fudd lore?
Red pill me on .22
Came across pic rel recently and it has got me thinking about .22 in general. Is it actually useful? Shit? And is it true that button men prefer it or is it just old Hollywood fudd lore?
that chart is garbage
I never thought about it, since they have separate numbers for rifles and pistols. But for 22LR, is it including both rifles AND pistols in that caliber? That would make 22LR look more effective than it really is.
The chart is shit because it's not very honest with it's numbers. It also includes situations where shots only hit a limb.
.22 is so high up because there are so many people getting shot in the back of the head by a .22 in a hit or something of the sort.
>It also includes situations where shots only hit a limb.
Chart says those are excluded, but yeah that's an arbitrary distinction. Someone could get hit in the leg and still bleed out.
>It also includes situations where shots only hit a limb.
Why should that information be excluded? If you're in a gunfight can you guarantee you only hit center mass?
>But for 22LR, is it including both rifles AND pistols in that caliber?
If this is the chart I think it is, which is hard to say because OP didn't include a source, the "22" is pistols only, and the reason why the bar looks so large is because it includes a lot of historical shootings--remember how OLD .22LR is--and if you got shot before antibiotics were invented in the 1940's you were pretty much dead no matter what you got hit with. .22 rifles are included in the "rifle" bar on the graph.
Anyway, "% of fatal hits" doesn't mean shit. What people should be looking at is # of hits needed to stop the attacker.
>Is it actually useful?
For what?
>pistol calibers all have shit stopping power so you should worry about capacity and shot placement instead, or just use a rifle
Yeah, and water is wet, everybody knows already.
I didn't know this.
Thank you for posting it, anon.
That's why everyone has stopped developing new technology for pistol calibers and every department, agency and military on the planet now exclusively uses .22 variations because all that matters is shot placement and capacity.
the only real problem with .22 is that it's rimfire.
a .25 ACP quad stack pistol ala cp33 would be ideal.
What about bone? Will .22LR from a pistol penetrate a rib cage? I doubt it would penetrate the sternum. Might glance off the head too, depending the the angle.
it's a metal lump moving at the speed of sound. it will penetrate bone.
Of course it will. If you're unconvinced of lead, you can buy solid copper bullets.
Does anyone sell complete copper .22? All I see is copper matrix or slugs you would need to load.
I'm assuming by useful you mean for self defense. It's better than nothing and you can fit a lot of them in a mag. Your shot placement needs to be on point and you're still almost certainly going to need to shoot more. The problem is it still might not do the job fast enough to protect you and afterwards assuming it works you're probably going to have to explain to a judge why the hell you shot the guy so many times, likely followed by having to explain why the hell you used a .22 for your SD/HD gun. .22 is underestimated, even including by people shot with it. If you are shot, even with a tiny caliber, and fail to get medical attention you've got a high chance of dying. If you die a day or two later because of a GSW you still died because you were shot. That said, you should be using something better that is more likely to stop the threat with fewer shots. I wouldn't carry under 9mm.
If by "button men" you mean assassins the reason I could see it being favorable is it's relatively quiet and has plenty of ass to scramble a brain from close range with a guaranteed hit. And no, not by bouncing around inside the skull a gorillion times. If you're trying to get into that, don't.
Why do you insist on using the wrong tool for the job? .22 is fantastic for range time, trapping, gator, small game, pest control, spending volquartzen tier money...
But you want to use it for things it is bad at?
Why?
Maybe he was hired to assassinate a whistle pig and was worried it might attack him in the process.
fuggedaboutit
He should! It's not the whistle pig itself that gets you, it's the fleas on them that usually carry BUBONIC PLAGUE.
>.22
>just old Hollywood fudd lore?
NO
You should be shooting the hottest rounds you can handle rapidly firing
>Glock 44
>3d print quad stack 120 rnd magazine
>put a switch on it
You know have a handgun that will endanger yourself and aircraft moreso than your intended target.
Are you redpilled yet?
Your chart sucks. Yes .22lr is incredibly useful for killing anything as small as a chipmunk and as big as a coyote. Also a fun plinking round. Not an ideal self defense round but if you pump 10 of them into somebody's chest they'll more than likely hit the ground
>button men
do not exist