realistically, how much would it cost, to own and fly a warbirb like picrel, for someone who doesn't know how to fly?
i find that one of the great tragedies of our timeline is that the private plane business is still very prohibitive for most people, even though piston-engined airplanes shouldn't be that much more expensive than an automobile.
You can build a scale one yourself.
https://flywaraircraft.com/
> even though piston-engined airplanes shouldn't be that much more expensive than an automobile.
They’re not. You can get a used 152 or 172 for about 35k. And a kitplane is even cheaper, but you have to build it yourself.
The big killer in terms of cost is the ongoing costs. Fuel, hanger fees, maintenance, fixing things if you frick up. Plus a basic b***h pilots license will run you around ten grand.
As for your original question. Lots. It’ll be at least a million to purchase. Then your ongoing fees are going to be even more expensive than a regular GA aircraft, since you’re going to need a bigger hanger, fuel (and oil) economy is going to be even more piss poor. And maintenance is going to be even more astronomically expensive
>The big killer in terms of cost is the ongoing costs. Fuel, hanger fees, maintenance, fixing things if you frick up.
That. Same as a boat, really, only worse. Aircraft maintenance is extremely expensive because of all the certification checks involved, both with the parts and with any maintenance/service.
>even though piston-engined airplanes shouldn't be that much more expensive than an automobile.
It seems like that at first glance, but marine/aircraft engines are a whole different beast. An automobile engine rarely operates at full throttle, or anywhere close to it really. An aircraft or marine engine is rated to operate for hours and hours and hours at full throttle, constant duty.
> Same as a boat
Remember lads, if it flies, floats, or fricks; it’s always cheaper to rent
It took me way to long to realize you were talking about Cesna and not a Ta-152
>even though piston-engined airplanes shouldn't be that much more expensive than an automobile
LOL that radial engine probably uses more engine oil per hour than your car uses fuel
>Dora
>Radial
Surely you jest
>radial engine
Anon, like you I know frick all about airplanes. But I can see a row of exhaust ports in a line right in front of the wing. That looks like it has a V-engine.
About tree fiddy
>realistically, how much would it cost, to own and fly a warbirb like picrel, for someone who doesn't know how to fly?
it's hideously expensive.
if you fly it for 200hr a year it'd about a quarter million dollars, after you buy it for 1.5 to 5 million.
(I know it's not an FW, but it'll be pretty close)
>hmm maybe i should check out those modern piston-engined GA airplanes that aren't much more expensive than a car
>mfw they're all 100-300 hp, 200km/h, multi-seat pieces of shit that look like picrel
is it so hard to produce civilian versions of WWII fighters?
>WWII fighters?
dude, a Cessna 172 has a ~175 hp engine.
there isn't a WWII fighter with less than 1500.
nobody makes piston aircraft engines like that anymore. so yeah, it is that hard.
> is it so hard to produce civilian versions of WWII fighters?
Considering that nobody produces new build ultra-high horsepower V-12s or frickhuge radials, yeah.
Primarily because anything that needed one of those engines can instead be done with a turboprop that is far, far more simple.
Also, while the capability to build them is there (there’s a couple companies that produce scale replicas of P-51s) there’s just not that much of a market for high performance single seaters. Most people are going to want something they can use to take the wife and kids somewhere. Those that just want something to tool around by themselves are going to go after something like a Cub. And someone who wants something high performance (with the appropriate cost) are going to either go all the way up to a full on jet like a small Citation or Visionjet, or they’re going to meet and the middle and go for a turboprop like a TBM or Piper Meridian or something along those lines.
Cessnas are great because they're really forgiving to fly. People forget just how easy it is to get behind the aircraft when you get into the higher-performance bracket. Look at the story of TNflygirl
>Enthusiastic about flying, has shitty instructors
>Literally in all videos struggling with training scars, little mistakes, fricking around with phone/recording equipment, and not knowing enough about her aircraft systems (Autopilot in particular)
>Buys a Debonair that's way beyond her skill level
>Fricks up her trim/autopilot settings and craters it into the ground, taking her dad with her.
There's a reason why the only dudes flying warbirds are old as shit. Because they literally have more flight hours than I've been alive
Many such cases.
t. Know someone who crashed his plane and killed half a dozen people. NTSB investigation is almost certain to show spacial disorientation
Spatial*
Don’t know why I thought it was spelled with a “c”
Sad but it happens too often. Was it IFR conditions in an airplane too fast, with not enough training?
Bad weather, but it shouldn’t have impacted the plane since it was a modern turboprop. He had more than 3k hours at the time, so best we can figure is that he got distracted fricking with the radio and/or navigation and lost awareness of what he was doing.
The family claims it was intentional suicide, but I have my doubts.
dude, shit gets everyone. it doesn't matter if you have 300hrs or 25000. people get complacent, make one mistake and they're fricking dead. that's just the way it goes.
It regularly gets fighter pilots even with all their avionic and flight control advantages.
it takes a particular kind of boredom resistant mind to be an extremely reliable pilot. I don't think I have it.
If it was a modern turboprop shouldn't it have been on autopilot? The garmin panels even have emergency Oh Shit PIC incapacitated auto land buttons these days.
The question about single pilot operation safety does make me pause though. I think there's studies that prove having a copilot to let the PIC focus solely on aviating improves safety margins by orders of magnitude
If that's not enough horsepower for your then step up to a turbine legend
Or better yet, a military turboprop trainer or a surplus mil jet. But I'm guessing you don't have the finances anyway, and from how little you know about the market you probably aren't a pilot so it'll take years of training and many hundreds of quality flight hours before you could fly those without killing yourself
>is it so hard to produce civilian versions of WWII fighters?
Had you the slightest real interest in WWII fighter construction you'd instantly know why. You don't and want spoonfeed.
If you're not worth several tens of millions of dollars AND haven't lived an appropriate aviationist life it ain't happening.
>, for someone who doesn't know how to fly
I forgot this part. you'd want your private pilot, high performance, tail dragger, instruments, then special warbird training that's also hideously expensive.
You forgot the complex endorsement. Not that it would be THAT much more expensive.
If you have to ask you can't afford to own and operate an original. If you want the expenses to be closer to an expensive hobby and not a financially ruinous obsession you should have a net worth north of $50 million.
But you shouldn't even be asking because you don't know how to fly. Hundreds or thousands of private pilots die every year in the US, flying aircraft that are much less demanding to pilot than a warbird. Get your license first and then work on and
and THEN you can look for one of maybe a handful of qualified pilots in the world to train you for a type rating in the warbird you want to pilot.
>modern piston-engined GA airplanes that aren't much more expensive than a car
lmao if you want a brand new cessna it'll be a million dollars. For brand new car money you can get maybe a 1970s 172 in rough shape. You get much better performance for your dollar with experimentals, but expect to spend $100k to $300k and 2 to ten years of your life building one.
>100-300 hp, 200km/h, multi-seat pieces of shit
Because all serious aviation moved from piston engines to turbines over half a century ago. Aviation piston engines are relics that were designed in the 1950s. It's not profitable to spend tens or hundreds of millions to develop a modern engine, certify it, and then be liable to get sued out of your ass to maybe sell 100 or 1000 engines a year.
In the experimental world people have tried to stuff chevy v8s into planes for decades with myriad problems I won't bother to explain. No one sane wants engines with problems in aviation because if your engine fails you crash land and most likely die.
>hard to produce civilian versions of WWII fighters
You just suck at googling. There are many, many experimental replicas of WW2 war birds. Many of these you can place an order for a kit right now.
The most recent and best is probably the ScaleWings Mustang replica. $300k+
> you can look for one of maybe a handful of qualified pilots in the world to train you for a type rating in the warbird you want to pilot
Just call up ole Kermit, and he’ll probably know. Or he’ll know a guy.
Good luck gettingt the spare parts