realistically, how much would it cost, to own and fly a warbirb like picrel, for someone who doesn't know how to fly?

realistically, how much would it cost, to own and fly a warbirb like picrel, for someone who doesn't know how to fly?
i find that one of the great tragedies of our timeline is that the private plane business is still very prohibitive for most people, even though piston-engined airplanes shouldn't be that much more expensive than an automobile.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can build a scale one yourself.

    https://flywaraircraft.com/

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > even though piston-engined airplanes shouldn't be that much more expensive than an automobile.
    They’re not. You can get a used 152 or 172 for about 35k. And a kitplane is even cheaper, but you have to build it yourself.

    The big killer in terms of cost is the ongoing costs. Fuel, hanger fees, maintenance, fixing things if you frick up. Plus a basic b***h pilots license will run you around ten grand.

    As for your original question. Lots. It’ll be at least a million to purchase. Then your ongoing fees are going to be even more expensive than a regular GA aircraft, since you’re going to need a bigger hanger, fuel (and oil) economy is going to be even more piss poor. And maintenance is going to be even more astronomically expensive

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The big killer in terms of cost is the ongoing costs. Fuel, hanger fees, maintenance, fixing things if you frick up.
      That. Same as a boat, really, only worse. Aircraft maintenance is extremely expensive because of all the certification checks involved, both with the parts and with any maintenance/service.

      https://i.imgur.com/AQtU2Ft.png

      realistically, how much would it cost, to own and fly a warbirb like picrel, for someone who doesn't know how to fly?
      i find that one of the great tragedies of our timeline is that the private plane business is still very prohibitive for most people, even though piston-engined airplanes shouldn't be that much more expensive than an automobile.

      >even though piston-engined airplanes shouldn't be that much more expensive than an automobile.
      It seems like that at first glance, but marine/aircraft engines are a whole different beast. An automobile engine rarely operates at full throttle, or anywhere close to it really. An aircraft or marine engine is rated to operate for hours and hours and hours at full throttle, constant duty.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > Same as a boat
        Remember lads, if it flies, floats, or fricks; it’s always cheaper to rent

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It took me way to long to realize you were talking about Cesna and not a Ta-152

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >even though piston-engined airplanes shouldn't be that much more expensive than an automobile
    LOL that radial engine probably uses more engine oil per hour than your car uses fuel

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Dora
      >Radial

      Surely you jest

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >radial engine
      Anon, like you I know frick all about airplanes. But I can see a row of exhaust ports in a line right in front of the wing. That looks like it has a V-engine.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    About tree fiddy

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >realistically, how much would it cost, to own and fly a warbirb like picrel, for someone who doesn't know how to fly?
    it's hideously expensive.

    if you fly it for 200hr a year it'd about a quarter million dollars, after you buy it for 1.5 to 5 million.
    (I know it's not an FW, but it'll be pretty close)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > even though piston-engined airplanes shouldn't be that much more expensive than an automobile.
      They’re not. You can get a used 152 or 172 for about 35k. And a kitplane is even cheaper, but you have to build it yourself.

      The big killer in terms of cost is the ongoing costs. Fuel, hanger fees, maintenance, fixing things if you frick up. Plus a basic b***h pilots license will run you around ten grand.

      As for your original question. Lots. It’ll be at least a million to purchase. Then your ongoing fees are going to be even more expensive than a regular GA aircraft, since you’re going to need a bigger hanger, fuel (and oil) economy is going to be even more piss poor. And maintenance is going to be even more astronomically expensive

      >hmm maybe i should check out those modern piston-engined GA airplanes that aren't much more expensive than a car
      >mfw they're all 100-300 hp, 200km/h, multi-seat pieces of shit that look like picrel
      is it so hard to produce civilian versions of WWII fighters?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >WWII fighters?
        dude, a Cessna 172 has a ~175 hp engine.
        there isn't a WWII fighter with less than 1500.
        nobody makes piston aircraft engines like that anymore. so yeah, it is that hard.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > is it so hard to produce civilian versions of WWII fighters?
        Considering that nobody produces new build ultra-high horsepower V-12s or frickhuge radials, yeah.
        Primarily because anything that needed one of those engines can instead be done with a turboprop that is far, far more simple.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Also, while the capability to build them is there (there’s a couple companies that produce scale replicas of P-51s) there’s just not that much of a market for high performance single seaters. Most people are going to want something they can use to take the wife and kids somewhere. Those that just want something to tool around by themselves are going to go after something like a Cub. And someone who wants something high performance (with the appropriate cost) are going to either go all the way up to a full on jet like a small Citation or Visionjet, or they’re going to meet and the middle and go for a turboprop like a TBM or Piper Meridian or something along those lines.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cessnas are great because they're really forgiving to fly. People forget just how easy it is to get behind the aircraft when you get into the higher-performance bracket. Look at the story of TNflygirl
        >Enthusiastic about flying, has shitty instructors
        >Literally in all videos struggling with training scars, little mistakes, fricking around with phone/recording equipment, and not knowing enough about her aircraft systems (Autopilot in particular)
        >Buys a Debonair that's way beyond her skill level
        >Fricks up her trim/autopilot settings and craters it into the ground, taking her dad with her.
        There's a reason why the only dudes flying warbirds are old as shit. Because they literally have more flight hours than I've been alive

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Many such cases.

          t. Know someone who crashed his plane and killed half a dozen people. NTSB investigation is almost certain to show spacial disorientation

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Spatial*

            Don’t know why I thought it was spelled with a “c”

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sad but it happens too often. Was it IFR conditions in an airplane too fast, with not enough training?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Bad weather, but it shouldn’t have impacted the plane since it was a modern turboprop. He had more than 3k hours at the time, so best we can figure is that he got distracted fricking with the radio and/or navigation and lost awareness of what he was doing.

              The family claims it was intentional suicide, but I have my doubts.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                dude, shit gets everyone. it doesn't matter if you have 300hrs or 25000. people get complacent, make one mistake and they're fricking dead. that's just the way it goes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It regularly gets fighter pilots even with all their avionic and flight control advantages.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it takes a particular kind of boredom resistant mind to be an extremely reliable pilot. I don't think I have it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If it was a modern turboprop shouldn't it have been on autopilot? The garmin panels even have emergency Oh Shit PIC incapacitated auto land buttons these days.
                The question about single pilot operation safety does make me pause though. I think there's studies that prove having a copilot to let the PIC focus solely on aviating improves safety margins by orders of magnitude

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you have to ask you can't afford to own and operate an original. If you want the expenses to be closer to an expensive hobby and not a financially ruinous obsession you should have a net worth north of $50 million.
        But you shouldn't even be asking because you don't know how to fly. Hundreds or thousands of private pilots die every year in the US, flying aircraft that are much less demanding to pilot than a warbird. Get your license first and then work on and [...] and THEN you can look for one of maybe a handful of qualified pilots in the world to train you for a type rating in the warbird you want to pilot.

        [...]
        >modern piston-engined GA airplanes that aren't much more expensive than a car
        lmao if you want a brand new cessna it'll be a million dollars. For brand new car money you can get maybe a 1970s 172 in rough shape. You get much better performance for your dollar with experimentals, but expect to spend $100k to $300k and 2 to ten years of your life building one.

        >100-300 hp, 200km/h, multi-seat pieces of shit
        Because all serious aviation moved from piston engines to turbines over half a century ago. Aviation piston engines are relics that were designed in the 1950s. It's not profitable to spend tens or hundreds of millions to develop a modern engine, certify it, and then be liable to get sued out of your ass to maybe sell 100 or 1000 engines a year.
        In the experimental world people have tried to stuff chevy v8s into planes for decades with myriad problems I won't bother to explain. No one sane wants engines with problems in aviation because if your engine fails you crash land and most likely die.

        >hard to produce civilian versions of WWII fighters
        You just suck at googling. There are many, many experimental replicas of WW2 war birds. Many of these you can place an order for a kit right now.
        The most recent and best is probably the ScaleWings Mustang replica. $300k+

        If that's not enough horsepower for your then step up to a turbine legend

        Or better yet, a military turboprop trainer or a surplus mil jet. But I'm guessing you don't have the finances anyway, and from how little you know about the market you probably aren't a pilot so it'll take years of training and many hundreds of quality flight hours before you could fly those without killing yourself

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >is it so hard to produce civilian versions of WWII fighters?

        Had you the slightest real interest in WWII fighter construction you'd instantly know why. You don't and want spoonfeed.

        If you're not worth several tens of millions of dollars AND haven't lived an appropriate aviationist life it ain't happening.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >, for someone who doesn't know how to fly
    I forgot this part. you'd want your private pilot, high performance, tail dragger, instruments, then special warbird training that's also hideously expensive.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot the complex endorsement. Not that it would be THAT much more expensive.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you have to ask you can't afford to own and operate an original. If you want the expenses to be closer to an expensive hobby and not a financially ruinous obsession you should have a net worth north of $50 million.
      But you shouldn't even be asking because you don't know how to fly. Hundreds or thousands of private pilots die every year in the US, flying aircraft that are much less demanding to pilot than a warbird. Get your license first and then work on and

      You forgot the complex endorsement. Not that it would be THAT much more expensive.

      and THEN you can look for one of maybe a handful of qualified pilots in the world to train you for a type rating in the warbird you want to pilot.

      https://i.imgur.com/Pk5k8GO.jpg

      [...]
      >hmm maybe i should check out those modern piston-engined GA airplanes that aren't much more expensive than a car
      >mfw they're all 100-300 hp, 200km/h, multi-seat pieces of shit that look like picrel
      is it so hard to produce civilian versions of WWII fighters?

      >modern piston-engined GA airplanes that aren't much more expensive than a car
      lmao if you want a brand new cessna it'll be a million dollars. For brand new car money you can get maybe a 1970s 172 in rough shape. You get much better performance for your dollar with experimentals, but expect to spend $100k to $300k and 2 to ten years of your life building one.

      >100-300 hp, 200km/h, multi-seat pieces of shit
      Because all serious aviation moved from piston engines to turbines over half a century ago. Aviation piston engines are relics that were designed in the 1950s. It's not profitable to spend tens or hundreds of millions to develop a modern engine, certify it, and then be liable to get sued out of your ass to maybe sell 100 or 1000 engines a year.
      In the experimental world people have tried to stuff chevy v8s into planes for decades with myriad problems I won't bother to explain. No one sane wants engines with problems in aviation because if your engine fails you crash land and most likely die.

      >hard to produce civilian versions of WWII fighters
      You just suck at googling. There are many, many experimental replicas of WW2 war birds. Many of these you can place an order for a kit right now.
      The most recent and best is probably the ScaleWings Mustang replica. $300k+

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > you can look for one of maybe a handful of qualified pilots in the world to train you for a type rating in the warbird you want to pilot
        Just call up ole Kermit, and he’ll probably know. Or he’ll know a guy.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good luck gettingt the spare parts

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