Realistically, how do you defend a ship against a borg incursion?
Either a hypothetical starship or an aircraft carrier
Realistically, how do you defend a ship against a borg incursion? Either a hypothetical starship or an aircraft carrier
Realistically, how do you defend a ship against a borg incursion?
Either a hypothetical starship or an aircraft carrier
Blow up the planet so they can't assimilate anything.
If its an invasion by groups of lumbering borg zombies trying to assimilate you with their outstretched arms and lack of weapons then easy, we just shoot them with actual guns and they die.
the new Star Trek has made it a plot point that Borg can instantly telepathically assimilate any young person so clearly the ideal weapon to stop them as .45ACP, ironically as proven in
>can instantly telepathically assimilate any young person
>any young person
so nothing of value was lost.
But what the frick are you doing watching that shit?
>the new Star Trek has made it a plot point that Borg can instantly telepathically assimilate any young person
That is so obviously contrived by the writers as a way of making 80 year old Picard be useful.
It's canon now
I miss boomer posting. *sip* Yep, now that was a good meme.
Picard and STD isnt canon for a lot of the old fans.
Even the new animated shows distance themselfs from the liquid shit that is the live action at the moment.
Wear your mask anon.
You gotta be shitting me.
Wasn't that because the rogue Changelings put Picard's bio-assimilation organs into the transporter subroutines, rewriting all the young people's DNA to make them Borg whenever they transport?
And yes, it's as dumb as it sounds, even compared to internal Trek technobabble canon.
Picard (the show) is even dumber than Voyager isn't it?
Actors should have the good grace to die before they get old, instead of being trotted out to do yet more instalments of their classic series roles.
TNG movies were all shit too.
Everyone agrees this is the good season, which is much less embarrassing than the previous two. It's dumb as frick and it's still a massive step UP.
We're not grading on a curve.
It makes most of (non-Threshold) Voyager look insanely good by comparison. Hell, Lower Decks is arguably better than Picard, although all of them are better than the dumpster fire that is Discovery. At least Lower Decks is mostly absurdist comedy and flaunts it.
This is the really sad part.
So rogue agents altered the matter disassembly beam to reassemble people improperly? That's pretty based and incredibly easily thwarted by basic network security
The Changelings impersonated and replaced everyone who was in a position to do anything about it, and killed anyone who found out, up until the last second when Picard and friends found out. Why? Because script "writers". That's why.
Not canon, who cares
Its double canon anon
stupid writing from the various series aside, if the Borg come a knocking they're just going to park a cube in orbit and transport people up en masse for assimilation while they send a few thousand drones down to the surface to seize anything immediately useful with the cube as air support
Guns seem to work
Borg "adaptation" seems to work like a field that matches the frequency of the phaser "envelope" so to speak, spreading the energy out and dispersing it somehow. The fact that it isn't a straight up energy shield stops it from working on bullets, probably.
Now, maybe if you kept shooting them with guns they'd tune their "field" so that it deflected metal, or generated a straight force field, but we never see them do it.
To hedge my bets, I'd make a big pod or something that contained two or three phasers (Phasers can get incredibly small), maybe two disruptors, a hyper-velocity bullet firing SMG, maybe some kind of miniature flame thrower, a laser pistol (which apparently function differently to other weapons in setting). All would fire simultaneously. Basically just hit them with so much simultaneous bullshit they cant possibly adapt.
Get me one of those illegal magical super-pain Disruptors that are somehow impossible to reproduce large scale, plug that in there.
>Now, maybe if you kept shooting them with guns they'd tune their "field" so that it deflected metal, or generated a straight force field
You're being full of shit in implying the potential of an ability the Borg in no way were even hinted at possessing.
I said maybe, then said it was never actually done, then said I'd hedge against it just to be sure, on the outside chance.
Calm the frick down.
So, basically this?
where does all the ammo fit
what is that red button for?
My favourite.
>Guns seem to work
that wasn't a real gun though, Picard was using the entire ships power supply against the individual borg drones in that scene
Lolwut.
He created a tommy gun with the holodeck safeties off, he didn't summon an all-destructive death ray as powerful as the Enterprise's phaser banks.
What kind of mental illness would even lead to you inventing such a ridiculous explanation in your mind?
holodeck items are not real, it was a forcefield projected by the ship that killed the drones
Yes but why would the ship be able to output it's total power, or anything close, through a holo emitter. Why would you design it that way?
in Voyager we saw the holodeck explosives can blow bulkheads apart, thats amazing energy output for duration of tiny fraction of a second..
But he didn't replicate an explosive anon, he created a gun firing solid-holographic bullets which swiss-cheesed the borg drones.
Apart from those Worf also cut up a number of borg with his shitty klingon blade, are you gonna say he was using a lightsaber too?
>he created a gun firing solid-holographic bullets which swiss-cheesed the borg drones.
my point being, he could order the computer to accelerate the rounds to 50x velocity after exiting barrel with simple voice command and the ship would oblige
But he didn't, you are just reaching in a ridiculous attempt to try and escape the fact that borg aren't bulletproof.
actual moron, thats not what I am saying
I am saying the drones never stood a chance, they walked into position where Picard can leverage the ships power supply against individual drones directly
But he didn't do anything like that, why are you so insane you'd invent such bullshit when it isn't even hinted at in the scene?
If he'd done something like order to ship to manipulate life support systems to electrify them you'd have some sort of basis for your ridiculous headcanon.
>But he didn't do anything like that,
.. .. but he did.. the weapon was not real.. it was a projection.. created by the ship.. powered by the ships power supply..
By an infinitesimal fraction of the ship's power supply we have no reason to believe made it stronger than the weapon it was replicating.
>we have no reason to believe made it stronger than the weapon it was replicating.
it would've taken picard about 2 seconds to summon a WWIII ATGM team
Sure he could have, but he didn't.
but the borg were in the single location of the ship where he could literally order an airstrike on them
sure but he didn't do that.
which is kinda lame considering the amount of brute force he had at his fingertips
Why are you now replying to your own posts.
It would've taken the crew of the Enterprise 15 seconds to replicate ballistic firearms and arm every redshirt with them
Federation regulation labels the byproducts of chemical propellants as carcinogenic
It would break the law anon and would be exposing the children on board
The enterprise regularly carries entire families of children into the most dangerous missions and wacky phenomena the Federation's flagship encounters.
How many daycare kids do you think monster Worf ate on that episode where everybody on board devolved into primitive versions of their kinds ancestor species?
Kek I hadn't thought of it but probably a fair amount.
None because Guinan protected all the families in 10 Forward with her Magic Space Black bullshit
Objects on the holodeck are as "real," as in physically tangible and made of the substances they appear to be made of, as any prop the replicator shits out, aren't they?
no, holodeck people are no replicated flesh
Why is your typing getting so much worse the further the thread goes on?
its starting to feel its not a real discussion but actual trolling
What about when characters go back to work still wearing the stuff they had on during the program?
they had the computer actually replicate the items
So objects in the holodeck aren't solid replicated matter except for when they are sometimes?
Anon, you are just being moronic
They have a thing called the replicator which actually makes physical shit like food/items etc
They also have holodecks which is essentially just VR without the lenses
When something needs to SEEM physically real the holodeck simulates it
When they actually need something physically they replicate it
It's not a hard fricking concept to grasp because it's a TV show you shouldn't think about too hard
Starfleet crews are such fricking larper homosexuals. At least Barkley is honest in being a hedonistic degenerate in his usage of the holodeck isn't of dressing up his egotistic masturbation in costumes.
Photons and force fields. No.
>Worf also cut up a number of borg with his shitty klingon blade
that space kukri pulled its fricking weight
shame federation security never thinks to wear any kind of armor or put armor on their space suits
>something something not the military
I’m sure that makes every yellow shirted security guard feel good about getting the shit kicked out of him every time he responds to something the bridge crew calls in
If they don't like getting tossed into a bulkhead or just standing their with their phasers doing nothing (to show how powerful the newly introduced character is) they can always sign up for away team missions, less likely to survive however.
Redshirts get killed, Yellowshirts get clobbered.
The federation idea of "Ground Troops" is fricking laughable, which really hurt them during the war against the Dominion. A couple of maxim machine guns in the episode with the cloaked randomly moving mines and they could have held their defensive position with no one getting killed instead of being overrun and having to fight in h2h.
star trek is so fricking gay holy shit
they have warships with lasers and torpedos equivalent to nuclear bombs, carry laser guns, but having armored vests is too militaristic somehow lol
Oh no anon, an armoured vest and helmet would be too aggressive in the face of violent alien civilizations and monsters!
That's why their sidearms look like gay vibrators and dust busters.
Original series movie had an appearance of armor on security staff, though it looked more like old-fashioned sports gear.
The space suit does seem ridiculously flimsy that it could be torn open by the borg vaguely swiping at it.
The federation doesn't have proper weapons, but at least they've got collapsible katanas right? Worf showed us that's how you deal with borg.
This is kind of fricked up, because in the original show takei went out of his way to fake that he knew how to fence so they wouldn't give him a stereotypical katana in a scene, but in the modern remakes they decided they had to appeal to the weebs by giving the asian guy a ridiculous survival katana to use for a fight scene.
First you push acceptance by having the gay jap actually just be one of the good ol heterosexual boys and use a white man's sword, then once you have acceptance you label acceptance racist and push "celebration" which means you have the gay jap suck wiener on camera and dominate the white men with his cool ancestral martial arts.
Nah, weebbait is just lame as frick.
Yeah the same series that Turned Sulu gay because his original actor was gay definitely has no agendas.
>actor gayer than a 2 dollar bill
>make character gay
>has zero effect on the plot or even the character
Yes increasing the in universe degeneracy, particularly with no justification, IS moronic.
Post your gun.
Takei complained about the change himself, he said that while he was gay irl, Commander Sulu was a man who canonically had a wife and daughter
Then after he was called a Nazi homophobe Trumpanzee he changed his mind the next day and said gay Sulu was great
The Predator knockoffs had rewired half the ship to make the Holodeck "more better" and the ship's internal and external structures are not necessarily the same, and most of the ship's integrity comes from powered systems, integrity fields, "polarization" etc. If that was on the level of a nuclear blast it's crazy how the carpet survived.
>holodeck items are not real
In season 1 of TNG they say the holodeck uses a combination of force fields, holographic projections and replicator/transporter technology to make stuff happen, but this isn't brought up much in later seasons
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Who has to mop up all the jizz after someones had their session 'relaxing' in the holodeck
The holographic people turn off and it just falls from where it was straight to the floor
Thats the beat part, they don't! Its transported directly into the replicator feed banks to be reprocessed into food
>mmmm brownies!
>mfw anons ate the brownies at the last ma/k/o meet up on Deep Space 4
>what kind of mental illness
>trekkie
Anon....
This is moronic, he just turned the holodeck safeties off so that the holobullets in the holo-drum mag in the holo-tommy would actually be material and actually have velocity and hit things.
See
.45ACP
In DS9 there is an episode that features the TR-116 rifle, a gun designed to fight the Borg in place of energy weapons. A serial killer replicated one and with an exographic targeting sensor that lets him see through walls and an attached a micro transporter to beam the bullet next to the target it let him shoot anyone on the station with impunity. None of that stuff was supposed to come with the gun btw, the killer though it up himself.
It seems pretty well integrated into the gun to be just something he modified it with later
>It seems pretty well integrated into the gun to be just something he modified it with later
Pretty sure the episode said it was him who did it but I don't feel like rewatching it to confirm, it's not that great an episode... I know STO has it as a weapon with the transporter so either Starfleet took the mod into service, it was always part of their kit or STO writers suck is debatable.
I would point out though that with replicators anything can be well integrated. You could be like "computer, make me an AK pattern rifle, bullpup, 3 round burst, vertical foregrip and chambered in 6.5 Grendel" and it would probably spit one out with level of quality unmatched by todays best gunsmiths.
Replicators aren't all-perfect though, since there's literally things they are totally unable to replicate, and the characters are always b***hing there's something 'off' with replicated food.
I'm pretty sure the bullet teleportation was part of the anti-Borg functionality
No it wasn't.
It would also make no sense, when you are being attacked by borg in a boarding action you don't need to assassinate someone multiple rooms away without it being traced back to you.
>there are no obstructions to the field of fire
>hallways are effectively empty
>bulkheads are non existant
>but only for you
And this is bad to you
slow rate of fire won't do you much good when the gangs of borg are moving up on you directly. not to mention transporters regularly get blocked by all sorts of random crap in the environment.
i don't understand why they don't use warp speed automated kinetic kill vehicles. slamming something at the speed of light, let alone many times faster than it, would be utterly devastating
They did something like that in the new Star Wars movies, and it was fricking moronic.
Why even have giant expensive warships with massive crews if you could wipe out fleets with much cheaper droid-piloted fire(space)ships?
Because you could never have a battle again where fans don't ask, "well why didn't they just ram them?"
It's too OP and breaks a universe that relies on submarine battles
You could have battles. What you couldn't have would be unpowered or slow-moving structures like DS9 or planetary bases
>i don't understand why they don't use warp speed automated kinetic kill vehicles
A standard "photon torpedo" is even better than that, since it's a warp-speed antimatter bomb with an energy shield around it to enhance armor penetration.
Photon torpedoes are gay and their names make no sense senpai.
>it was an antimatter torpedo
Star Trek was written back when we didn't know all the reaction paths for antimatter and thought it converted into 100% photons.
Riker orders the enterprise to ram the borg cube as a desperate measure at one point.
That said, Warp drives seem to break Relativity in a way that renders C-fractional (or multiple) impacts non exponential or infinite in energy, so it might not be as effective as it seems.
Worf does the same thing in Nemesis if I remember right. Imagine being on a state of the art, anti-borg ship and your alien captain shouts, "RAMMING SPEED!"
This is internally consistent, you can't ram anything at warp because universe bending time bullshit whatever, but ramming at a couple hundred knots is super effective
Warp speed works by generating an energy bubble that allows matter inside it to move faster than light. Collapsing the warp bubble results in atomic dissolution, not an explosion
It would just phase through, you fricking idiot. You're told this every single time.
>be a dumb species with shit technology
>Borg ignore you and go after the vulcans.
such is the life of a Pakled
>Realistically, how do you defend a ship against a borg incursion?
>Realistically
For me, it's that episode of DS9 where they literally just did an AR vs AK argument with technobabble pasted in
>This is a standard issue, Cardassian phase-disruptor rifle. It has a four-point-seven megajoule power capacity, three millisecond recharge and two beam settings. This is a good weapon, solid and simple. You can drag it through the mud and it'll still fire. Now this is an entirely different animal. It's Federation standard issue. A little less powerful, but with more options - sixteen beam settings, fully autonomous recharge, multiple target acquisition, gyrostablized - the works. It's more complicated, so it's not as good a field weapon. Too many things can go wrong. I think you should stick with the Cardassian rifle. If we get boarded, I don't want you to have to think too much about the weapon you're using.
>target acquisition
then how come they miss so fricking often?
mud got in it
Target scramblers
Bajoran saboteurs
Plot.
Trek never did combat well.
Like nobody can aim worth shit. Phasers are clearly worse than normal guns aside from more practical non combat uses, Photon Torpedoes and such are like, only shown to be as powerful as a M2 mortar at most despite canon wise they should be like 10x the power of the Tsar Bomba. Most people barely even use cover or anything. Everything about Kingons. Ship phasers aren't used defensively against incoming projectiles.
I love Trek, but ENT's MACO was the only time they showed anything resembling competent basic combat tactics.
>but ENT's MACO was the only time they showed anything resembling competent basic combat tactics
Enterprise was severely underrated imo. It was a good fricking Trek show and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't. Yeah it had problems and a lot of bad filler episodes like most Trek series, but it was something new and refreshing that didn't stoop to the movies level of stupidity and it had decent acting.
Nobody fricked Tpol while she was in heat 0/10000000000 whole series WASTE OF TIME
Entire crew should have ran a train on her.
She found a way to induce pon-farr using a magic mineral and banged Trip before getting addicted to chilling the frick out
Nah it was pretty shitty as time went on. And it was pathetic when it shoved in the likes of Ferengi or Borg into the show to try and generate cheap pop while throwing out some bullshit to try and justify why no one knew about them despite this taking place before their original introductions, that's one hell of a writing sin.
Oh I understand that the later part of the series had issues, but what Trek show doesn't. DS9 and Voyager both got really weird in the later part of the seasons and everyone still loves them despite their faults, as do I.
Enterprise wasn't forgiven for anything however and I don't understand why fans picked it apart so much. Frick, I remember seeing fans complain about the INTRO which was kino as frick.
ENT got canceled right when it was getting really good, with the space geopolitics and Romulon War looming in the background
Knowing how ENT was developing, we could have gotten some Tom Clancy-esque adventures amid the backdrop of a cold war suddenly going hot
ITS BEEN A LOOOWNg ROAD
GETTIN FROME THAER TO HE-ER
ITS BEEN A LOOOWNg TYME
AND MAI TIAM IS FAINLEY NE-ER
DS9 entranced me outside of some moronic stuff in the last season it's highly rewatchable. Good overarching plot, great world building and characters. There are so many amazing episodes in it it's scary good.
Voyager I'd watched before ds9 funnily enough, and the characters were honestly moronic. But it was a fun thing to watch the first go around. Watching it again the early seasons are downright awful but it gets better later.
Enterprise I could barely watch the first time. The characters were just awful, with characters frequently doing the most incompetent decision making I've seen in startrek leadership. I don't even remember half of the characters names outside if T'Pol. Archer was a bad captain.
The romances and cringe tier "we're gonna chase tha laydies" shit by the engineers were kinda boring too, and they were saved by unrealistic bullshit.
The only thing they could have less off in all treks imo is the plot of "shuttle gets attacked or damaged and now the crew is stranded" storyline.
It's like I watch an episode and every 3 episodes a shuttle is exploding or crashing with a main character.
The Borg and Ferengi were pure fan service that were put in for fun. And it was fun, so go frick yourself
Literal clapping seal.
Imagine kira's cherry red lips wrapped around your wiener
>imagine being Gul Dukat
I'd rather not imagine having to suck space Satan's wiener in space hell for the rest of eternity.
There's too many literal space gods in Star Trek. That's equally galling as all the horseshit technobabble flooding the writing of the series when trek fanboys are wanking themselves raw about how scientific their favourite franchise is.
Didn't Gul Dukat frick her mom
>being portrayed by a greasy daigo wop
>Imagine Kira's cherry red lips wrapped around her mirror world doppelganger's wiener
>intendant kira
yes please
Imagine mindbreaking intendant kira with sexual torture
How do we know she isn't into that too?
Mirror kira is into Black folks which means real Kira would never frick a black guy
The Intendant is into basically everything and everyone. She'd probably enjoy whatever you did.
Sensory deprivation plus impregnation while comatose.
m8, everybody is into Blacks
this site won't shut up about them for instance
why do star trek guns all look so shit
Because they're made by people who have limited budgets
Other sci fi shows manage to make cooler looking guns.
Frick, the bazookoids from Red Dwarf are cooler than any gun seen in Trek.
Appreciated in universe how these were literally tools, they're just designed to break rocks
Yeah but startrek always had to have an intricate but different futuristic style. Red dwarf just gave them a cannon lmao.
I never watched the latest season of red dorf, is it any good?
That's animated not live action, which skips the problem the anon was bringing up.
Honestly Sci-Fi and Fantasy shows should be animated instead of live action, lets them put in crazier designs and explore the visual potential of such concepts which would be impractical to undertake in real life.
I'd kill for animated Babylon 5. Have the Vorlons be more than rolling encountersuits. Something that inspires awe and fear in equal measure just from being near it.
Have Minbari be visibly taller than humans. Make Narn muscular beasts. Give the Gaim half a dozen radically different phenotypes, like termites.
Don't vorlons wear those suits specifically to be more lowkey?
Think the dwarfers also had a sawn-off shotgun or something that they looted from one of the officers quarters. Remember Lister shooting the more advanced replacement for Kryten that showed up in the back to little effect.
At least the original series gun is cool in a kind of goofy retro spaceman kind of way, the rest are just lame.
Though yeah them trying to make the rifles look more like actual guns is at least an improvement over that dogshit 2367 prop design, which was probably falling to pieces regularly in the actors hands.
because it was written by a gun hating californian
That gun looks like it would terribly uncomfortable to use/wield/fire after even a short while.
Made for alien hands and hip firing
It wasn't made for humans
Cardassians aren't particularly different from humans, they don't even have nonsensical unnecessary super strength like Klingons or Vulcans.
Cardassians are extremely different. The similarities with humans begin with being bipedal and upright and end with breathing a 20-80 oxygen nitrogen mixture
Pretty much all star trek species are just humans with body paint and dumb shit stuck to their faces. There's no creativity to be found in the entire gaping hole of a setting.
That's due to the limitations of TV budgets. Vulcans are supposed to be pale and green-tinged, for example
This is done to a greater effect in TNG and DS9
See Selar and that Vulcan serial killer
They explained this in one TNG episode (The Chase) as because an ancient alien humanoid species seeded all the galaxy's worlds with DNA to create localized copies of them. Humans, Klingons, Vulcans/Romulans, Cardassians, etc. EVERYBODY. Not only did it "explain" why everyone is a bumpy-forehead alien, but also was an easy racism parable for the typical TV show social consciousness checkbox.
More importantly it explains why aliens like Spock or B'Llana can reproduce instead of being sterile
ST handles halfbloods likeabsolute shit, its always
>"Oh noes, I'm always at WAR between my two racial SIDES, the plucky human side vs the stereotypically one-note alien side! OH THE CHEAP AND SHALLOW DRAMA!"
The implication for all their "we're so above your petty emotions" the Vulcans are really just space racists who bullied Spock so hard he fled the planet was ahead of its time.
The "War" for Spock isn't internal at all. It's external. Wherever he goes he's the Alien. His character arc doesn't end at him figuring himself out, it ends when his father finally accepts him at the end of the one with the whales.
Vulcans are just space elves, so a bunch of c**ty homosexuals.
Its still made for humanoids with similar proportions to human actors
It just looks alot like the Federation phaser rifle but covered in gold bullshit instead of silver.
>It has a four-point-seven megajoule power capacity,
Roughly equivalent to fifty 5.56 mm magazines in terms of powder charge. That's actually not bad.
naming your ship ISS Locutus and sending a Hi on greetings frequencies
Apparently, by not being a threat.
That's a thing the writers bring up or ignore as they please.
It has eventually turned hostile 100% of the time
Why would a SINGLE drone turn around and look for her?
They are ahivemind, so either all drones should, or none?
Trek writers haven't written borg correctly since The Best of Both Worlds, Part II credit's rolled.
Wouldn't they all notice at the same time? Since they have a hive mind and all.
Borg are moronic, inconsistant and make no sense.
No, they have nodes and shit. Seven of Nine's full name was '7 of 9, tertiary adjunct of unimatrix 01', which implies some level of hierarchy and prioritization for functions
Are the borg muslims?
They can't be muslims
Since borg actually assimilate
what?!? you mean borg don't decapitate people in the street, throw acid in people's faces, or run rape gangs on native children on the planets they land on??
I mean, its certainly a violation when a borg forcefully shoves its arm-tubes to inject their hot ropy streams of nanoprobes inside you, before kidnapping you back to their ship to violently replace parts of your body with cybernetic replacements.
that's just part and parcel of living in the alpha quadrant community. federation peace officers will be at your location soon to provide citation for bigotry.
This looks halal to you?
>That female borg
Incoming /ss/
Not in a Butlerian sense, no.
Pseudo - realistically, they have a way to adapt to bullets like they do to energy weapons. So them getting beat once isn't inconsistent with them getting beat routinely before adapting and starting the rape train. Would be moronic and inconsistent if they would just get fricked by any society from ICE level upwards.
So, pseudo-realistically: protect the power source with your life and a ton of contingency explosives, if they assimilate that it's gg with them Black person rigging a transporter and picking you off straight into an assimilation chamber.
Unironically suidice vests, explosive collars and so on.
Get as many different weapons as possible, up to and including going medieval at them.
Or stop being a nerd and accept it's just an incoherent fantasy species with plot holes making a "realistic" depiction difficult.
Have the Borg ever adapted to any kind of kinetic weapon? I remember Worf cutting them apart and they couldn't do shit about it.
Yes they do. Well, to the CQC tactics.
Skill issue
Seems more like a lucky catch than it 'adapting' to her crudely swinging that piece of a fancy gate around.
Nope, species 8472 was able to just beat the shit out of them literally unarmed and unarmored and the borg could do nothing to stop them
Work cut apart lightly assimilated Enterprise crewmen, so I don't think that's a good example of what fully-infested Borg are capable of. If you engaged them for long enough, they'd add anti-slashing armor to their drones
Frick off anon, they've engaged the same various species for extended periods of time and not changed their tactics of slowly walking towards their foes while getting shot to death multiple times (or letting the other species wander around their ships to screw them over unhindered)
That's because killing individual drones has never impacted mission efficiency significantly enough to justify a modification to the standard drone kit. If the Borg spent more time fighting the Klingons instead of the tech-happy Federation, I bet you'd see different kinds of adaptations.
You never will because the writers are hacks, but it's what would happen
No they wouldn't, Borg are ironically shit at adapting.
Look at how they couldn't do shit to Species 8472 because they were immune to assimilation and needed Voyager to save them by coming up with a plan of attack.
The Boeg are shit at innovating. They steal technology and human resources but they never invent or develop their own. This behavior extends to their problem solving, which requires repeated exposure or stealing a solution from more creative people. They adapt to phasers after repeated exposure, and they adapt to military tactics after repeated exposure.
Dealing with extradimensional critters is impossible for them because they have zero foundational experience with them to draw from
Don't be a homosexual, just because they can adapt to energy weapons doesn't mean they can adapt to bullets (or indeed blunt impacts and blades).
Bullets don't work on bullshit 'frequencies'.
Their 'adaptation shields' work by isolating the frequency the weapon is using to transmit its energy and blasting the exact inverse frequency to negate the beam(ie damping), just like a shock absorber or noise canceling headphone.
Blocking bullets would require the shield to release exact opposite kinetic force, which I highly doubt individual drones have sufficient sensors to analyze and counter, not to mention generate damping kinetic force for every bullet
Could a ship armed with future rail guns destroy a cube?
It's still like 3000 meters of super metal that can heal itself.
Maybe. At the end of the day it's a question of if you can disrupt the cubes structure faster than it can reorder itself.
Borg adaptation is stupid.
You always manage to kill a couple with your first few shots before they 'adapt', meaning you have to doot the buttons on your gay space tv remote a few times to change it up
But they still die and have to adapt after a few casualties even when they are facing the same weapons from the same races they've encountered many times before.
Shouldn't two different phasers shooting the same borg with different settings be impossible to defend against, because it can't be set to block out each phaser frequency at the same.
Frick, just use a twin-linked phaser.
No, DUAL-WIELD twin-linked phasers for 4 times the fun and frequencies.
There's also the fact they are literal space zombies in behaviour making them lame as hell.
With all the technology stuffed into them you'd think they'd be capable of a more efficient pace when doing their duties. At least Power Walk for gods sakes.
(And in regards to that webm, Batleths are also fricking lame)
DOUBLE BARRLED PHASER
Just go out on the promenade, and fire off two blasts in the air!
Rule63 classic Kirk looked surprisingly good. Do you have it?
Nope.
never mind, found it
You got a female spock, to get the slash fiction going?
I would 100 percent stick my penis in fem luke
Female Luke would have been infinitely better than what we got with Rey.
Fricking anyone would have been a better choice than that charisma vacuum.
>what's your acting experience
>well, I played a corpse on a British crime dra-
>perfect
Looks like someone who would cause an admirer to shoot at a president to try to impress.
He actually looks like a young Gates here.
suddenly I don't hate the character and instead want to frick her(male)
Deploy the clown.
oh god no
Space Station is on Steam now, Early Access but it was still a big surprise finding out.
Isn't that ss14 though
Yes it is ss14. If you think ss14 "is" space station, you clearly have no idea how ss13 works. You especially have no idea about anything regarding its codebase. Not that ss14 is bad, it's just got a lot of work to go to modernize ss13. It's also open source just like any other ss13 codebase... and yes, all different servers have differentiated codebases that fork from some codebase or another.
I just want to say that "The Hunted" was the worst fricking episode in TNG.
That's a bold claim. What about say the episode where Troi is raped and impregnated by a ball of light?
If you need a refresher, "The Hunted" revolves around an Angosian prisoner being transported on the Enterprise. He's one of several genetically modified supersoldiers who were imprisoned on an orbital prison after the war because it was difficult to reintegrate them back into peaceful society. They're well cared for but imprisoned nonetheless. He manages to escape due to the crew's incompetence (pretty standard) but also because Picard disregards advice from the Angosians to keep him sedated. He then steals a ship and frees his fellow soldiers and they confront the Angosian command. Picard is there with the Angosians at the time and instead of playing a much needed role of mediator he fricking peaces out citing the prime directive and then later even jokes about the possibility of the Angosian government collapsing from armed rebellion. This fricking episode absolutely ruined Picard's characterization. There are a lot of episodes where I disagree with or even hate his decisions but this was the worst by far. It was a great moral conundrum and the show usually handled them with some respect but this one just reeks of the writer being assmad with how the US treats its veterans and assassinating a good character to make a point. There are other awful episodes that you can just laugh at but nothing is worse than wasted potential.
That's nothing. Go watch the movie where Picard denies the entire galaxy a cure for all aging and disease because it would involve relocating 200 people. Not killing, relocating.
He didn't outright deny the cure but instead tried work out a more amiable solution, which is in the spirit of his character.
He did NOT. When his superior was saying "It's just 200 people", Picard went "How many does it have to be, huh!? HUH?!". Then he goes and talks to the people. I don't think he even explains the situation fully to them so they can decide. Picard just gets won over by the people's cultural fetish for manual labor. They say "you lose something when you let technology do all the work". It's never explained what that is exactly. The fact that everyone on the planet is getting super stamina from the rejuvenation radiation and they don't feel the long term pain of backbreaking labor is never realised, and Picard decides they're gonna stay on the planet forever (aka until their star dies) while everyone else in the universe gets fricked. It was utter insanity.
Picard was telling the Greater Good homosexuals to go frick themselves, which is incredibly based. He took a stand against GDP israelites and commie gays to protect rural individualists and their personal liberty.
And then everyone got assimilated by the chinese borg because the federation population was too old and frail to support its economy and army.
Listen frickboy, Picard never even let the people decide for themselves by informing them properly about the situation. I'm 100% sure they would have agreed to moving somewhere else if they knew it would let the whole galaxy enjoy a similar life to theirs.
The Federation is post-scarcity, so population doesn't really matter.
And even if they weren't, SHITLORD, the people on the planet were space anprims that built their cabins there entirely because of the planets special properties
Making those kind of "hard man making hard decisions while hard" Uber materialist pragmatist calls gets your head shoved up your ass by the Q so far your furthest genetic ancestors billions of years in the past obliterate themselves out of existence retroactively.
Making these kinds of "bad decisions" based on moral and spiritual enlightenment is literally the only reason our nascent psychic god race is allowed to exist before we turn into Armus or Nagilum.
Frick off anon, the Q are one of the most moronic parts of Trek as a setting. Stop using them to try and handwave bad writing in Trek movies.
Its not like the Q went and did anything to the Cardassasins or the Klingons or hundreds of other tyrannically butthole space races when they were doing harsh things.
The implication is that those sorts of societies would burn themselves out like any other Empire that ran its course.
The Q were fricking with humans because humans were going to stick around long enough to evolve to the point of being annoying.
Forget that nerd shit though narratively they're just a foil to non-interventionist Starfleet.
Picard was already intervening by going AWOL and shooting up the place to protect the people. His actions caused unnecessary deaths that could have been avoided if he had instead intervened in a more diplomatic fashion.
What diplomatic course of action could he have taken to prevent the scheming skin-wizard who had wasted his entire ancient life on a wieneramamie wiener and ball genocide scheme from chimping out?
Fully explain the situation to the Amish people. Say that their technologically inclined ancient relatives, have analysed the asteroid rings of the planet and determined that they make people live forever, in addition to healing all wounds and diseases. They want to process the rings to develop a means of replicating their effects artificially, using the resources of the Federation. This process will destroy the planet's biosphere, but with the Federation's help, the ancient relatives are willing to compensate and relocate the Amish people to save them.
>Could also mention that the ancient relatives totally could have just killed all the Amish people before they brought in the Federation.
End result should be the Amish agreeing, to both help their relatives and the galaxy at large.
There were only a few hundred of the homosexual amish colonist on the planet, and they had no weapons beyond sanctimoniously b***hing at people for daring to have technology and the means to defend themselves instead of living like a bunch of dumb farmers.
You could move onto the planet wholesale and leave them living in their own shithole.
Its not like they even owned the planet in any real way, since they are neither people who originally inhabited it nor do they possess the ability to prevent others from also deciding to move there.
It was all a pretense to destroy them. The homosexuals selling the federation this whole plan literally just wanted to kill the 200 space Amish and live forever.
We have no idea if their "plan" would have even worked. We are trusting the wisdom and rigorous scientific testing of a man who flayed a federation admiral alive in a fit of rage.
This is like trying to say Joel was in the wrong because the Firefly doctors totally couldn't made a cure from Ellie, even though there's tapes where they say they could and explain the procedure they'll do. The plot is making clear that the "greater good" option is a genuine choice because otherwise the main character isn't growing by choosing to turn it down.
You're a fool if you think the techno people couldn't have easily killed the 200 pacifist cavemen with a single seat fighter ship. Scientists from the federation believed the replication process could be done. It was an assured outcome and the only reason to have any pause was the prime directive violation. It's arguably not a violation after we find out the Amish people actually have progressed beyond the technological threshold of being considered too primitive to interfere with.
Its literally not a prime directive violation since the 'primitives' in this case were a bunch of larpers who were squatting on a planet in Federation space.
There were even episodes during TNG were picard went and evicted actual random native peoples for various reasons so his actions during the movie are one of hypocrisy.
The Skin demon offshoots wanted to kill their own parents without immediately getting killed by the Federation, who were watching the area closely, you moron.
I love how you keep throwing out "the federation didn't know they couldn't do it" as proof, like the absence of proof of the negative means anything, particularly compared to the absence of *literally any* scale tests or individual successes. Show me the immortal man, show me the process replicated at less than the "blow up the planet because muh white whale" scale. You cant, because if they were able to recreate the planet's effects on any scale the Whoville leatherface you're simping over would have used it on himself by now.
Congratulations, the psychotic space pirates stabbed you in the back, genocided the peaceful race minding their own buisness in their own property, and you destroyed a magical planet that could have helped a nearly infinite number of people over time, all over the promises and crackpot theories of a cabal of cenobite gypsies on a quest to kill their own parents.
Good job!
You are really obsessed with the villagers being "white" aren't you?
What? I couldn't give a shit about the people on the planet, I'm only concerned with their moron offshoots that look and act like meth addled Dr Seuss nightmares that you're super eager to trust implicitly when they've done very little but be psychotic.
How would a race metaphor even make sense they're literally the children of the people they're here to kill.
They didn't seem that psychotic. It's just that for them there's little time and the situation is life or death.
Scientists from the Federation, including Picard's own ship, didn't seem have any reason to believe the ring radiation couldn't be replicated. This is a necessary part of the story, to make Picard's decision to disobey orders more meaningful. Replicating the ring rays would help way more people than if the planet was mass colonised. There would be wars over such a planet for sure.
>They didn't seem that psychotic.
They peeled a man you idiot.
What's wrong with that?
They use life extension tech, which involves artificial skin grafts. Did you misinterpret that for them skinning people or am I just forgetting some torture scene?
> or am I just forgetting some torture scene?
You are, though it was a forgettable movie. Halfway through when the bad guy realizes his cover his blown he grabs his Federation co-conspirator, tosses him in his bogging machine and turns it up to 11
that part kinda freaked me out as a kid
So basically, you're saying that Q are gods and they happen to think the solution to the trolley problem is not touching the lever?
That makes perfect sense. You know why? Because the Q made the fricking trolley and sent it on its course. They see people trying to divert the trolley as interference with their grand plans. In a word, they're arrogant, as anyone with unchecked power tends to become.
You just have to look at it from the federation's perspective: If you pulled the lever 1000 times, and no matter how sure you were, no matter how separate the tracks were, no matter what, 99% of the time the trolley teleported over and killed them, but if you didn't touch the lever, 50% it did and 50% it didn't, you'd stop touching it.
>Allow psychotic pirates to secretly kidnap 200 people they despise because "we promise we can master and infinitely replicate this completely unique magical phenomenon, like, we swear."
The villagers deserved it for how fricking terrible the writing of Insurrection was. With how the plot bent around them it made the entire lot of the luddite pacifist wankers the most insufferable thing imaginable.
Not as dumb as the literally-who dogshit pirates with a ship that can not only last but actually go toe to toe against a state of the art federation battleship that should blow away a Galaxy class in twenty seconds.
Why is Troi always getting herself raped?
Even in one of the movies, the villain is a dying clone who needs Picard's DNA to save himself and every moment is of the essence... so he wastes time dicking around raping troi in her thoughts via psychic powers for no other reason but to be EEEEEEEEEEVIL~
only woman on the main cast who wasn’t old or uggo
Beverly was hotter.
if you’re 50 sure
>Original borg
You don't, resistance really is futile.
>Nerfed borg
Auto-rotating phasers, kinetic weaponry, EMPs
The original borg were no different when it came to being in-person rather than an overwhelming cube in space, they were equally lame they just hadn't had enough screentime to get as embarrassingly stupid as they would be later.
I would have sex with the borg women
Add solid wall crushers in every corridor every few meters that are hardened with structural integrity fields that crush anyone walking slower than half a meter a second.
Ez.
And no I don't mean Wesley.
I have yet to see a borg withstand a large press of 400tons per sqr inch.
Borg fricking shits
THAT EPISODE WAS BADLY WRITTEN!
That shit would frick Borg up so hard it's not even funny.
Sigourney Weaver is one of my favourite actors lmao
She's got amazing skill. The whole main cast did. It takes serious chops to act like an actor and I can't remember any of them being unconvincing about it..
There's a pretty common story where Tim Allen actually teared up for a scene and Alan Rickman cut in, "Oh my god, I think Tim discovered acting."
If you have a spaceship with perfectly controlled gravity and life support systems you can manipulate at will like in Star Trek then no sort of boarding party should be a threat, unless they manage to use their scifi teleporting tech to IMMEDIATLY beam in and take control of the likes of Engineering and the Bridge to prevent it being used against them in time.
In the later startreks that have the future ships teleport into the past (enterprise), the ships literally bent spacetime to make their pylons thinner.
The fact that they can't collapse their own corridors using the structural integrity field and smush invaders into little tiny pieces always got on my nerves.
Rip them apart with kinetic trauma like Species 8472 did. Claymores and grenades would exert comparable force
Species 8472 was only successful because they were impossible to assimilate in any way. Their alternate dimension DNA was too dense for nanoprobes and all of their technology was based on their DNA. The Borg couldn't gain tactical and psychological insights from assimilating one of them. They couldn't even learn how their ships worked if they managed to destroy one, because species 8472 used bioships that were similarly immune to Borg methods of scanning and disseminating.
Meanwhile the Federation figures out Species 8472 in like 5 minutes because they treat them like a common virus and develop an antivirus. Which really shows how the Borg are just autists who can't innovate when brute force doesn't work.
Jamming? I never watched Star Trek.
>Realistically, how do you defend a ship against a borg incursion?
send kira and her mom to infect the with some bajoran comfort house turbo vd
The borg have really bad cable management, with each borg having lots of external wires and loose pipes stuck out all over the place. Just fill your ship corridors with lots of snaggy plants in pots, or dangle lengthss of barbed wire from the ceilings. After an hour or so of trying to navigate your ship without getting cables yanked out or being trapped like flies in a web, they should say 'frick this' and give up.
Trek writers have this vague idea they have to solve moral dilemmas in a high minded principled non-obvious way, but because they're usually not that smart they sort of bungle their way into building a rube goldberg ethical situation they cargo cult their way out of. I started watching Enterprise not that long ago and dropped it when they found this planet that had two species, one smart that was dying of a disease (They had rudimentary space travel and technically they found the Enterprise so it wasn't even a prime directive thing) and a dumber species kept as servants (Not actually mistreated, per se). The doc decided that EVOLUTION had decreed that the dumber ones were gonna replace the other ones and it would be unethical to interfere, so they fricked off and left them to their fate.
NEVERMIND that they had space travel and probably ran into a Ferengi ship the following month that would cheerfully sell them the cure.
It was so moronic I couldn't continue watching, even if the Vulcan was hot.
Television and Hollywood writers are basically all idiots and wouldn't recognise a smart or logical solution if it bit them on the arse.
The whole point of the episode was that the Prime Directive doesn't exist yet but it should to save Starfleet from needing to think about weird decisions like this. They don't go into detail about the disease but it could be the result of cultural inbreeding or something, and fixing it would be tacitly supporting such a destructive practice.
The writers kept it vague because audiences would be divided by Archer's decision no matter what context there was, so they didn't bother.
It was moronic because this was early days of starfleet where they could use all the allies they could get, those aliens were only slightly less advanced than earth and there's no way in hell they wouldn't get the cure some other way in a few years anyway because the disease was slow acting and there was no way "evolutionary time" was going to apply.
Another ep. was sabotaging a Vulcan spy installation for no good reason, the characters motivations were completely loopy.
Sounds like what happens when you send out a military vessel to explore with vague orders and minimal oversight.
The prime directive is ultimately, or at least supposed to be depending on the writer, a rule based on the practical result of their historical meddling, rather than a lofty philosophical rule.
As in, if the first 100 times you disrupt a culture even in what seems like a very harmless way, it turns into a nuclear Holocaust somehow, eventually you throw your hands up and say "I guess the Q don't want us to do that" and subordinate what "should" work to basic pattern recognition.
Starfleet as a whole is lofty philosophical masturbation.
You can see that when their officers stick their noses in the air and haughtily respond with stuff like "We don't have a military!"
Served them real well when Starfleet, which is their military, had to resort to sending down hordes of crewmen wearing their pyjamas to fight ground wars.
Nah, the writers were just fricking stupid. There's no defending how ridiculous the justifications of the characters were.
Go watch The Best of Both Worlds and stop bothering me.
The borg should have only had one appearance in the franchise, the original one, then never appeared again.
Tommy guns.
I wouldn't worry about it
Invent phasers which change the frequency after every shot, gg
I'm assuming that while they can adapt to directed-energy weapons, they can't adapt to weapons which rely on physical trauma. My reasoning being that we see Worf kill a borg drone with a fricking sword, and presumably they've been hit by things before enough times to adapt to being physically hit if they could.
Also one Species 8472 alien physically rips apart an entire cube of borg drones effortlessly.
b u m p
Oh no! The Borg!
Proceed to beam them outside of the ship. Let’s beam out all those lazy fricks from security while we are at it, looks like we won't need those anymore.
I thought Borg could frick with transporters.
poke them from the other end of the corridor, they ain't getting past you
Speaking of theml the whole thing with Borg assimilating people was a brainbug that got out of control.
Originally they only wanted to take useful things from alien races, no interest in physically zombifying others they encountered. It was shown they grew children in pods and mounted cybernetics on them.
The deal with them making "Locutus" was a one-off for a specific purpose, but later writers mangled it into becoming the borg's standard operating procedure.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Anti-Borg_Antiproton_weapons_(ground)#:~:text=Anti%2DBorg%20Antiproton%20Compression%20Pistols,the%20force%20of%20the%20impact.
Bitching about Star Trek of all things being
>socially conscious
is pretty fricking laughable.
You're decades late by this point.
>Increasing degeneracy is bad
>"lol but theres already degeneracy"
Increasing degeneracy is bad.
No gun no opinion.
Transporter scramblers to scatter incoming Borg over multiple decks. Phaser turrets in the ceilings set to rotate frequencies at random through the upper EM band. Walls, floors, and ceilings covered in claymores at least 3 layers deep. Outer hull is covered in detachable empty box-like whipple shields, detached when the Borg start filling it up. Explsive decompression in affected regions to flush them out. Large electrical shocks to fry their circuits. Counter-nanite swarms to attack them at the cellular and circuit level. There are a lot of tactics that were tried in the shows and movies that worked and more that were not tried but would have worked.
What is interesting is that the Borg infect people with nanites to start the assimilation process, but they only once talked about dispersing those buggers in atmo, and never thought to use small flying robots to shoot darts at people like the Sona did in 9.
I think they jab them in the neck with the two tubes to be increasingly unoriginal in terms of horror monsters, since it leaves a wound just like a vampire biting/siring someone on top of the drones basically being technozombies.
if the borg are really so smart, why don't they just invent their own Genesis device?