If Gate happened in real life, do you think a US-led coalition would do a better job than the JSDF in the series, or would it be a total shitshow instead?
Real Life Gate
If Gate happened in real life, do you think a US-led coalition would do a better job than the JSDF in the series, or would it be a total shitshow instead?
It’d probably be better.
Just read the fanfic written by the jarhead.
pls post
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13803057/1/Here-We-Go-Again
Sucks he deleted the original one, this one might carry better writing but the former was written when he was still 100% crayon eater so it was far more sincere.
Is the rewrite still being made? I just finished getting caught up and it seems it ends on a weird note. Is he going to continue the story?
yeah its still being made, sucks he deleted the original.
>F15C's
>Apex predators
>In year 20XX where there are decent VR tank games
why I find most novels cringy? Is it the writer or the way they are written?
Least this guy writes like he has actual experience, compared to the source material.
Yeah
>you will never kill keeblers innaBaltimore alongside Crips AND Bloods
This one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome,_Sweet_Rome
Thanks for these
If the baddies were considerate enough to be weak, stupid and totally unsympathetic like in the show then it'd turn out fine.
I would join an expeditionary force in a second if it meant I had the chance to frick a dragon.
I would be a dragon if it mean I had a chance to frick you.
Thanks anon for looking out for me.
It goes much better, until contractors are hired to cut costs for the occupation.
It'd turn out fine.
The only major nation it'd be interesting to watch replace the JSDF in this situation would be the Russians, for no other reason than because they'd make an absolute fricking mess of it. Pretty much any country in the world would have zero issue carrying out an operation like this.
>472 of 3 day special operation Russian invasion force has regressed to trench warfare after losing territory to medieval army.
>Medieval Army now has AKs and RPGs that went missing from an armoury in central Siberia
>3 Russian generals have all died from tragically falling from Windows.
>Evil HATO teaching isekai people ISIS tactics!
ISISekai tactics
>YWN see Elf suicide bombers blowing up an oil refinery to exact revenge on us for napalming their sacred grove.
First thing the US would do would get some rockets through the portal, set up a pad, and get some sort of GPS/mapping system going, the size of the planet could easily be calculated in a few days and with SpaceX launching a rocket every week there'd be no shortage of equipment to make it happen
Aircraft and observation balloons would be enough for all your reconnaissance needs.
A SpaceX rocket isn't like a truck mounted ballistic missile that you just transport somewhere and set off. It's designed to be supported by major launch facility infrastructure.
And some nerd would immediately calculate the size of planet using a tall object, a body of still water, and trig.
We wouldn't really reach our full strength until we had functional GPS and time to re-calibrate everything that requires it.
It's an interesting idea, actually. How well would the modern US military handle no GPS and satellite communication? I have no doubt that drills are done in training that forgo GPS assistance, but it's still a loss of a normally-assumed advantage.
Yeah, you're fighting sticks with firearms, but humans are supposed to be adaptable. Eventually someone's gonna figure out how to at least slow down a tank, and now your tank crews can't notify you that they'll be three days late to reinforce something.
Drills based on a GPS denied environment still require INS as a back up. This isn't a problem in the real world where we have accurate maps of the entire earth that are being constantly updated.
The the gate world the first few weeks would probably be have drones and SF teams with LIDAR going out and mapping everything. You also have the issue of having to figure out how magnetic poles work in gate world and recalibrating everything accordingly.
Anon INS doesn't need GPS or maps, you just need raging equipment.
but i don't like it when my equipment's machine spirit is angry
my guess is with radio and radar systems. if you manage to get a radar to ping your allied forces, it can reliably relay their coordinates relative to the radar, or to a designated 0 point if you're using multiple radars. its no GPS of course, but its accurate enough while you get a proper GPS working
does the 'Navigator' role even exist for most flight crews now, regardless of military?
Land navigation without satellite, celestial bodies, or pre-existing maps isn't the samething as training without GPS assistance
>cartographers will once again be brought back into the military
MAP CHADS. WE HAVE BEEN VINDICATED
We default to Air force RPAs instead of UAVs for awhile.
(Drones that rely on direct control instead of point and click map and auto pilot ones)
And LOS radios.
You would probably see alot of HF systems actually as new world would probably be pretty quite eletronically but no telling how its ionsphere would affect range.
Honestly HF is a cluster frick now.
We probably set up trianglation radio towers to act as an interm GPS if anything basically what was used before gps
With fantasy creatures like dragons and wyverns and magical control over the weather + illusions I wouldn't count on drones too much.
Anyway I think a lot of anons here make the mistake of assuming offense when the sane strategy would be total area denial around the gate using WMD's followed by figuring out a way to counter mind control. That or swift and painless capitulation.
watching an international military coalition develop navigation systems for a completely new universe to adapt to an invasion would scratch an itch i didn't even know i had
a gate opening on Japanese soil has a nonzero chance of opening on a US military base, and an invasion force attempting to conquer Japan from within would absolutely trigger the defensive alliance the US has with Japan (because, y'know, that does exist)
>interdimensional Ayy lmaos scout out the perfect target to invade
>”xaxaxaxaxa this nation of ‘Japan’ is fat and weak and unwilling to fight”
>open portal
>it actually opens in the middle of a USMC base
>violence and rape ensues
I’d watch the frick out of that.
>empire prepares to open gate
>"the decadent Japanese will surrender after losing the stomach for war"
>the gate opens
>welcome to Okinawa
>scout forces immediately killed by US forces for tresspassing
>marines begin pouring out of the other side of the gate, raping everything in sight and eating all the eggs, meat, and crayons nearby within hours
>and eating all the eggs, meat, and crayons nearby within hours
>economy collapses because no eggs
Army corps of engineers could easily get a pad built for a F9 in a matter of weeks, and the entire rocket is small enough to be transported by a truck and would easily fit through the gate
HAPS like zephyr would initially be cheaper and easier to set up, GPS would be smart for >5-10 years of deployment.
especially since GPS requires ground based tracking to keep it from drifting, and the atmospheric and gravitational characteristics are not initially known.
But all that interesting discussion doesn’t change the fact that GATE was utter trash for bottom feeders and as entertainment is about as valid as the Wagner recruitment movies
As written, the society on the other side of the gate is apparently so shallow and easily impressed that they'll gracefully accept and lick the boots of just about anybody who is technologically superior to their Roman-tech level adversaries.
>"Wow! Hambaga sugoi! Please impregnate me and my equally hot daughters!"
I don't see it playing out much different if the US were involved. Would probably be a much shorter story.
>drive the burger king truck through the gate
I was thinking of one of the Sid Meier's Civilization Beyond Earth endings; where we let them in as immigrants.
No location out of reach for American logistics.
>welcome to mars
The great thing about this pic is that american logistics WILL power at least the very first temporary human landing sites on Mars. Anything could happen in the long run but at least in the coming decades that's where SpaceX and NASA are heading with no competition in sight.
>The burning osprey
God this picture gets better the more you look at it
I love the slightly chubby older women clasping her hands. The beatific look of joyful anticipation is great.
Every single clip I've watched of this animu is nothing but cringe. There's that scene where some fricking tiny bimbo with a gun & a bayonet bodies several dudes in armor who probably trained their entire fricking lifes for close combat, only to get pwned like b***hes by a woman with a technically modern spear. And people take this shit serious, lmao, Anime was a mistake.
You suffer from the stage in life where you pretend to be overly serious about non serious things.
it's literal recruitment propaganda, don't dwell too much on it.
dude it's just a fun show, enjoy rory and stop complaining
Easily the worst character of the show
true
When I was in Japan, I bought a pin of Rory at some shop selling that crap. The cashier actually fricking laughed and took a picture. I guess she was shocked about me being the first motherfricker to actually buy one of these things. That was the first and last time I saw anything GATE related up for sale.
She knows you're a pedo anon
You are now on a list
Best girl.
It could have been a lot better but I think people overreact in general about it. But, like with a lot of anime/manga, there's still a lot of cool ideas and concept in it and I enjoyed it. Did the Naval sequel ever come out?
based enjoyer
(You)
Modern techniques vs old moronation I think is the point.
Most of those soldiers were conscripts turned vagabond they are hardly the best of the best. The ones in the capitol I'd see you point but she spend most of that shooting them.
Honestly the bland characters are less bad than the relentless 'japanu did nothing rong' Lost Cause shit in the show. I don't mind hyping up the JSDF but the really uncomfortable complaints about big mean americans bullying poor widdle innocent Japan is stupid as frick.
Pretty sure even the Japanese readers thought those parts of the story were moronic and bad.
iirc it was basically written by the Japanese equivalent of a poltard
>JSDF recruitment propaganda is shit
Who is shocked? It’s the normal propaganda moronation combined with anime autism. An actually good story would have the medieval forces have the high tier fantasy beings like dragons actually have an effect and give them magic that actually can even the odds. But that goes against “JAPAN STRONK BTW WE DINDU NUFFIN DONT LOOK UP NANKING PLEASE”
>Hating Rory
She literally tells the Jap parliament earlier that episode she's a few hundred years old and more or less immortal until she transcends to the next plane of existence. The rounds don't even break her skin
Encase her in lead and throw her into a subduction zone.
Use DU like in The Boys
It's made uninteresting by the fact that it's a stomp by the JSDF.
Stories are made interesting by struggle, and conflict - neither of which are to be found in it.
Maybe they do stomp to begin, but the bad guys recover and are clever enough to create counterstrategy, forcing our heroes to be clever themselves, and not just brute force through everything without effort.
I mean, think about some interesting stuff that a fantasy world could bring to field which modern armies don't really have any way of countering.
>Humungous acidic slimes, all bullets, shrapnel and shockwaves simply passing through them. Can seep into an armored vehicle through the smallest crack and devour its inhabitants.
>The reanimated buried corpses of rotting giants and ogres, pig iron riveted to their bodies, buried beneath the ground until armored brigades pass above
>Gigantic swarms of fist-sized insects big enough to blot out the sky, chewing through all food supplies, fabric, soft plastic and rubber... not to mention flesh. Bad news if you're flying anything with a jet engine nearby, too.
>Eldritch horrors unleashed by the baddies out of desperation, their deranged, immaterial howls filling radio frequencies, and plaguing dreams, slowly beginning to drive the soldiers insane.
>Whatever fricked up otherworldy diseases we never developed resistance to.
But no, we just get the boring slop.
I also find the whole notion of Japan occupying a technologically inferior country, freeing it from it's evil oppressors and just being the nicest guys ever, and having to defend it from the evil US and China just hilarious, past events considered.
You also could keep the military conflict as a one sided stomp the majority of the time, while instead making the conflict on the political side where the question is where and when to commit violence in a way that would tenable to the civilian populace of Japan. A lot of Japanese writers are great at coming up with these really interesting settings that the average Westerner would never consider, but then they almost all suck at taking the interesting setting and doing something with it instead of having it act as a backdrop for something cliche and predictable.
Having it be a stomp is still not that fun, personally speaking.
I've thought of an idea similar to gate previously (With the ADF instead, because thats a little more balanced than the US military industrial complex).
The MC is an Army captain who changes sides after seeing the SASR get a little too silly with some unarmed peasants, and providing the fantasy army with their weaknesses and strategies to exploit them.
After their wildly creative magical exploits, they're still fighting a losing war, so the MC goes Colonel Kurtz, using more depraved, unhinged tactics, becoming the brutal war criminal that he defected because of, and finally cracks open a can of half necromorph/ half nurgles rot demon disease, along with its malevolent otherworldly creator, to rid the world of the invaders, ignoring that this will kill everyone, not just the ADF. He's a soldier, he achieves his objectives no matter the cost.
Also, around this time, the gate is closed, trapping the remaining soldiers inside.
It culminates with the remaining, resource starved ADF forces and fantasy species having to band together for survival against the coming onslaught of horrors, with the MC's ex friends desperately trying to stop him from reopening the gate and releasing the disease/ eldritch god into Earth.
Sort of a discussion of the role of morality in war, the cost of victory, y'know
Sounds boring and cringy.
Ok. How come?
Also, if I might, how would you go about writing a GATE scenario?
In such a manner that it's not boring and cringy, naturally.
You just wrote a slightly better Avatar where Jake turns evil. If I want that I'll write or find Avatar fanfics.
I wouldn't write a GATE scenario, because I'm just knowledgeable to know how moronic I'd be on the topic.
Thats.... fair enough. I can see where you're coming from. I completely overlooked the Avatar parrallel, to be honest.
To be fair, I was going for more of a two-sided approach, viewing a modern/fantasy as more of a birds-eye thing, with a bit of moral ambiguity to boot.
The ADF isn't a cookie cutter bad guy - they're generally somewhat humanitarian, the MC just witnesses the SASR being, well, the SASR, and takes it to heart badly. Nor are the fantasy armies some strawmanned paragon of virtue, they're generally rather medieval in their approach to things like human rights, and are very much a WW2 allies situation where they're forced together by circumstance.
This, and it's far more of an ensemble cast getup, with characters from all sides. I just put the captain as the MC as he's the one with the most narrative effect.
I suppose what I was trying to say is that I'd like a series which delves into the nitty gritty of fantasy v modern combat and how it could be not one-sided, with an overarching message of how unending warfare and hatred will only lead to destruction.
That sound neat. Sort of like Stalker, how the fricky nature of reality in the zone means vehicles or other big machines can't function.
>how would you go about writing a GATE scenario?
NTA, but I'd do it the Arcanum way where magic and tech REALLY doesn't work well together. Tech depends on the laws of physics being stable, and magic depends on breaking those laws to frick with shit. This'd give the fantasy world a way of fighting back, and would make the modern world revert to some ancient tactics and weapons in order to combat magical terrorism.
>or would it be a total shitshow instead?
/tg/ cross-poster.
It would be a total shitshow because GATE intentionally handicaps the Gate world, in order to make the JDSF look cooler, by deliberately denying the fantasy world their great equalizer: Magic.
Gate played straight is a fricking nightmare for everyone involved.
>You killed too many people and weren't able to read them their funerary rights. They're now coming back as zombies and skeletons and spreading a purple mist that makes people sick.
>An angry Wizard you were evicting has cast "Plastic to Insects" in one of your humanitarian camps.
>Somebody has been replaced by a Changeling.
>One of the men has contracted lycanthropy via sex. It will be asymptotic until it isn't anymore.
>Another man refused to give a wizard disguised as a beggar some spare change and has been turned into a wooden puppet of himself.
And that's just assuming the weird shit is self-contained and cross contamination isn't happening.
That the Gate being opened isn't reintroduced magic back into 'our' world and allowing urban legends, religion, and folk beliefs to be real.
Isn't it mentioned in the show that magic is on the decline and that only a few people can use magic?
No. There are universities dedicated to teaching new mages. they were very excited to obtain Earth science books that enhanced their abilities to manipulate magic.
Don't be foolish. The magic as is portrayed wouldn't give them the edge they needed even if most people could use it
I cast the 5th level Necromancer Spell: Animate Internal Skeleton, on all of you.
The Skeleton inside your body is now trying to escape your body. Good luck with that. (Unless you have a cross on or prayer beads or some kind of religious accessory which case my spell didn't do shit, lmao, lol.)
Except you:
>"plastic to beetles" lol, lmao even
I cast the 2nd level Transmutation Spell: Plastic to Insects, on you.
The % of your clothing that's made out of polyester is now red ants. Frick you. Plastic to Insects is a great spell.
I'm not even commenting on it's frequency or power compared to modern weapons. I'm saying magic is fricking weird and can do shit a modern person doesn't really have any response to.
You don't have IED in a fantasy world: you have a homeless man or a large crow give you the stink eye and then something impossible happens.
so issue crosses to every man then?
call up the chaplains they have a big use!
Yep, you're just autistic.
>NO FUN ALLOWED WHEN DISCUSSING ANIME HYPOTHETICALS
/tg/ anon is definitely autistic but he's for sure higher functioning than you
>RAAAAAUGH IM NOT AUTISTIC YOUR AUTISTIC
ok fantasygay
If they showed even the tiniest hint of the capability of doing real damage to the U.S. they would disguise a large nuclear weapon as some kind of food truck, bring it in and actually use the food truck part of it for a month to fool the locals, announce they were leaving, evacuate the area near the modern side of the Gate, and detonate that shit, hopefully vaporizing the Gate and anyone within 10 miles of the medieval side of it.
What's the range on those spells? 30 feet? You sure showed those soldiers.
>What's the range on those spells? 30 feet? You sure showed those soldiers.
Anon you're responding to. That is the actual gotcha.
Magical spells often have completely shit range, especially when compared to the long range capabilities of modern military technology. A lot of spells need to be cast within a 30 or 60ft radius with direct visual confirmation. And the few that don't either require a personal object or dna of the subject (think voodoo) or is something like calling down a Meteor- which can take weeks or even months to take effect.
Granted, you can circumvent this with crystal balls (expensive) and constructs or familiars that let you see through their eyes (obvious/not discreet). But then some spells don't even work if the target obstructs their face or breaks eye contact.
so magic doesn't work on me because i'm aspie and never make eye contact? cool. now i can imagine the military recruiting a bunch of spergs and sending them in so magic doesn't work. good luck giving them all the rare and unobtanium weapons they want though
I cast air launched ICBM from 77,000 feet at mach 3
Man f-104s ruin all the cool shit
Anon, using this logic, I could walk through the gate, draw the fricking Elder Sign whilst yelling Hastur twice, before yelling it a third time after everyone else leaves and I'm heading out as well. I doubt I would even hear the denizens of the now cursed place scream as things from the Dungeon Dimensions start pouring in.
You have to keep in mind that these rules go both ways and the key to magic in such systems is having the right recipe and strong enough self-belief to will the magic into existence. Because of this, if the Gate were to open in Afghanistan, the Taliban would be Level 20 Clerics and Paladins who would rapidly turn the fantasy world into a new caliphate because all of the infidels would literally be atomised by the searing Light of Allah.
Such a rigidly structured and order world would never be able to survive the utter lunacy and chaos we would bring to it on the very first day of contact.
see this is what i mean when i said he wasn't fricking playing it straight - imagine all the damage the realm's own denizens would have done to it already, gate or no gate
there'd be nothing fricking left
you can't give every unhinged mage WMD-scale powers and then expect no MD to happen for millennia. maybe, just maybe, giving magic bullshit capabilities has consequences broader than the specific "nuh uh, my dragon beats your laser" one-upmanship scenario you're trying to concoct
ultimately the results of the conflict are going to depend on the circumstances of the parties involved, and given what we know about the circumstances of modern western militaries (of which Japan/SK/Aus/etc. also count regardless of geography), you're going to have to do a lot of tricky balancing to make a magic-enabled threat with medieval tech be... well, a threat (without giving it a stupidly high likelihood of self-immolation beforehand)
It would be very easy to explain if in universe everyone has at least a basic understanding of magic and precautions are taken as automatically as we cover our mouths when we cough and boil standing water before drinking it. Think of it this way, you don't need to be able to cast nuke to completely destroy a force with no comprehension of or protection against magic. Cast locate creature and know where they are at all times. Cast clairvoyance and you have an undetectable spy cam watching their every move. Cast sleep on their army and stab them to death without any resistance. Invisibility, mind control, teleportation, disguise self, there's tons of spells that are anything but WMD's but which would be devastatingly effective against a foe with no defense against it. Against a foe accustomed to magical warfare, not using protective wards, having mages to cast counter spells, and priests to distribute blessings should be as foolish and primitive as rows of infantry lined up in pike formations would be against a modern military
> a force with no comprehension of or protection against magic
so now you're resorting to lobotomizing the population
you seem to be under the bizarre impression that recon and strategic planning doesn't exist - identifying threats like that is the entire point of surveillance, and you do that BEFORE you send armies through
try again. i'm not totally convinced a balanced threat profile here can't be achieved, but god damn is the "magic is an unknowable infinite threat" fallback tiresome. it is unknowable for exactly as long as it remains unobserved, after which point it can be responded to or UTILIZED TO THE ADVANTAGE OF AN INVADING FORCE. keep in mind that "magic only works for the fantasy universe people" is a bigger level of cope than "magic is impotent in the real world and creatures relying on magic perish from this world's laws of thermodynamics moments after crossing over" - it defeats the whole invasion plotline before it even begins, and is therefore uninteresting. one-upping reality with fantasy bullshit tailored to specific fights with zero cognizance of consequences is worse narrative quality than kids' playground make-believe
An easy way to balance magic out in a setting like this, is to make it a law of reality we haven't discovered yet. (Us) can learn how to use it, but we'd be starting from zero with no knowledge of how it works.
The way to balance balance it for them, simple magic like cantrips, aka lesser healing, firebolt with a range of thirty meters, maybe a weak flashbang spell, is common and what a average person with interest in magic might use.
Any bug spells take time and studying to learn. Same with any melee hero's.
>muh magic
shut the frick up
I summon reaper, it casts hellfire.
>One of the men has contracted lycanthropy via sex.
wasn't me
it denied the fantasy world normal medieval things, like extremely capable political operators because they grew up in a much more cutthroat system. i was expecting that that was how the story was gonna go when rory and the elf hopped across the gate back to japan and there was that parliamentary hearing - the king would realize he was dealing with people who were squeamish about killing and would ruthlessly maneuver cameras and corpses for his political advantage. instead they were idols for a few days and that was the end of the story arc.
Its almost as if the manga was made to jerk of japan and the jsdf! While denying the reality of everything else!
tbqh hearing these sorts of things makes me uninterested in watching it.
then don't watch it
I won't.
don't, it sucks.
The Anime is dumb fun, but the actual manga actually goes into the setting and why somethings work and others don't in more depth. If you have the time, I'd give it a go.
It may be a JSDF wankfest, but that doesn't mean you can't have fun with it.
>In b4 itz propaganda >:(
The Halo series is just ONI propaganda, but you guys never b***h about that now, do you? Come back to me once you've got your double-standards sorted out.
the ONI is a fictional organization in the halo universe that is generally portrayed as universally bad you are aware?
The Empire's problem was they had so many centuries of opening the gate and curbstomping everyone on the other side they ended up with Vatnik syndrome where they were overconfident, got BTFO and spent the rest of the series constantly playing political catch up.
It also didn't help that the only people who did get to see Japan was a discredited Councibine's daughter, and a bunch of people the king wouldn't give a frick about.
Wait. Who else did they invade through the Gate? I thought they just invaded other countries on the same planet..
The book reveals that the gate's been opened before and they've done cross dimension raids like this, it's how they got some of the rarer fantasy races in the setting.
Wasn't one of the Gates opened directly inside of a Xenomorph nest? Maybe there's some bugs to stomp running around as well?
I find it weird so many people and pieces of media just assume people from the past (or modelled after the past) would be utterly baffled by modern technology because of superstition and lack of understanding.
Like, sure, sometimes that happens but history shows even more examples of stone age aboriginals organizing and arming themselves with modern technology within years of establishing contact with outside world.
It's even weirder because this is the major plot point of so many media involving alien invasions - within hours of one happening humans run around with ayy weapons, utilize ridiculous improvised means to fight back and strap a nuke to an alien spaceship.
They knew what guns and grenades were in 1200AD and even modern rifles operate similarly to crossbows. Aircraft, long range artillery, and chemical weapons would frick with them because they can kill without being seen. But in a world with magic where wizards can phase through matter, turn people into manticores, strike you dead with a glance, and fly at will it would be much less incomprehensible to them.
"Clearly the enemy is doing X in the same way we do X but they are just really really good at it. And we need to steal their shit to have any chance."
I dunno, the manga so far has him as quite competent at the military and political level, resorting to guerilla warfare and using civilian shields when he realizes what he's dealing with. How is the emperor meant exploit the media circus when he doesn't even know it's happening or even what a camera is?
Read the manga
no
>show up on other side of the gate
>we wuz magic n sheit
>never mind guys frick this shit
>establish sizable base around the gate
>build runway
>ship in b52s and other air assets
>magic can't into radar or AA
>bomb the everliving shit out of hostiles
>take land
>???
>profit
Thing is it's a low magic world, kind of like Middle Earth, magic isn't something that every idiot can handle.
>One of the men has contracted lycanthropy via sex
sorry, but that girl just jumped over me when i gave her a headpat
heatpats are dangerous
>One man has contracted lycanthropy
I fail to see how this is a problem, now he just has to date white women.
>soldier turns in to a rage filled monster once a month
anon, that soldier just became a women. its horrible
He can't keep himself financially safe with his new silver allergy
ayyyy
Magic just becomes technology
consider the following
Can you buff an F-22 with magic?
no, but the wizard/dragon is getting BVR'd and there's nothing they can do about it
+ durability
+ action points
- weight
- chance of failure
Wind magic would make a jet absurdly manoeuvrable
>I cast localised 0 friction
>I cast increase gravity
>I cast EMP
>I throw my doragon (invulnerable to pleb non-magic dmg) at it
>was already blown up and died 5 minutes before he even knew it was coming
>before he even knew it was coming
this Black person never heard of divination, all your plans are known months in advance. The airbase got strafed by dragonfire and all your boots got succ'd. Total techcuck defeat.
nah the dragon died to AA
nuh uh, dragons can use fire breath to screen incoming AA fire
nah
I am dressed head to toe in Asbestos. What you gonna do now, you scaly brat!?
Strike me down now or eat me now and in a few decades you'll be dead from asbestosis.
Mwahahahahahaha!
you seem to have "magic" and "whatever bullshit i want to pull out of my ass as a counterpoint" confused, sir
If their magic is that prevalent and that powerful than they wouldn't be living in a vaguely medival society
nancy pelosi already sold it to the wizards in return for magic botox
>F22's full potential is finally revealed
>mobius one, engage.
i cast delete coulomb force on all of you
>Complaining that a setting has low fantasy-tier magic and this is "handicapping"
So this is autism huh? Not bad.
this is "zombie infestation would overrun the US military" levels of fictional cope
if you need to empower magic to the point every mage is an existential threat to all life in your setting before the gate even opens, and just hope everyone stayed chill for the centuries beforehand and didn't reduce any civilizations present to dust... you're not fricking "playing it straight"
"plastic to beetles" lol, lmao even
Do you simp for magic to compensate for something? This is one hell of a weird complaint. Seriously, wtf?
not the anon but i think he's more complaining that they had a medievel fantasy world with magic and dragons and actual fricking gods, and then put all that stuff on the side of the JSDF while the medieval enemies got stuck with zerg rushing conscripts in waves to exhaust JSDF ammunition.
>hyper-powerful beings seemingly unhindered by the mundane limits of reality on the side of the JSDF
>against a human wave-reliant enemy
wait a minute
is GATE actually secretly about Japan invading modern Russia with US support?
Least autistic /tg/ poster
This would've been a far more interesting show.
Modern military vs a completely unpredictable adversary with plain weird powers beyond our mundane reality.
It would be a tale of human ingenuity and adaptability for both sides. Very hard to write.
*himars u*
counterspell THIS
>We could cover the HIMARS rockets in explosive runes, so that the shrapnel also explodes when people look at it. We could make every bomb a cluster bomb.
FUND THIS.
Did you and me watch the same show, because I swear what you've described isn't GATE, but my average Dorf Fortress run when I stop mucking around and go in with the goal of creating a self-sustaining, functional fortress instead of a death trap masquerading as a holiday resort.
You're a total moron, you and your shitty board know nothing about military conflcit, get the frick out and stay out you total mong.
IMO, I like The Salvation War far more. It makes the demons and angels far more capable through their unique mastery of 'magic' while still demonstrating how capable is human technology and industry.
RIP the Author, we'll never get the third book, Lords of War.
>this guy again
good God will you ever give it a break?
said it best
It truly is tiresome.
>a magical world wouldn't have orbital battlestations flinging god rods and blood-manipulated space marines to the surface as a main form of fighting
Fantasy setting homies really don't think big, as if a dozen or so wizards wouldn't try teleporting to a moon, if given the possibility.
Seems like introducing magic to our world, while chaotic, would also make some things even more ridiculous.
>"I have hired twenty jobless millennial wizards for minimum wage to do nothing but repeatedly cast "dirt-to-semtex" and have a practically free and infinite supply of high explosive."
Gate is such jsdf/japan is the best. That it put me off. Yeah, its nice to be proud of your nation but damn does this manga really buff thr jsdf while ignoring everything it can actually do. Not to mention it plays everyone else down to the point of insult.
The first several trucks through the gate would build a McDonalds and an ice cream factory. Immediate world domination. No need for episode 2.
I'll take one for the team and frick all those 200 pound elves.
Not without me, you won't! We'll make the sacrifice together, bro.
Was it Silent Service? I remember trying to look up the NES game and instead reading about a bizarre manga with that plot, though instead of jerking off Japan I think it was jerking off the idea of one-world-government.
didn't seem to work out for the yankees in afghanistan and that's far closer to modernity than the literal feudal system.
america is utterly incapable of nation building. it's just a fact.
>america is utterly incapable of nation building. it's just a fact.
>Japan
>South Korea
Both developed nations many times older than the US. The US just replaced a few pieces and inserted a constitution.
so you’re going to ignore the histories of Iraq and Afghanistan? Both also had developed nations many many times older than the US.
Different people in charge running the nation rebuild show, not to mention the nature of the enemy was vastly different.
Even if we let Gate take it's course, the aftermath of the invasion and counter-invasion would be a multi-national effort. At least in terms of scientific efforts. You'll see a goldrush of scientists and researchers from every nation coming in.
There might be some sovereignty issues since it opened up on Japanese soil, but a gate to another dimension with inter-dimensional aliens is too great an event for Japan to just turtle up and block everyone from coming in to help investigate.
As for military, JSDF would at least host a unit from each of their close ally nation on the other side, but I can see JSDF running the main show.
Everything the US government touches turns to corrupt shit, so it'd probably go way worse.
Isnt there a fanfic somewhere that basically fixes the plot?
GATE was a waste of potential sadly. It just turned out to be japs wanking themselves to impress medival anime girls in the end.
A good plot would be if somehow another GATE opened in China and the chinese would start to support the empire's enemies, then we would have a proxy war between JGSF and PLA, would be fun to watch.
Unironically this is what the show is hinting
Wait really?
I only watched a few episodes before i dropped.
I'm reading and already updated on every chapter and the Empire has been getting its ass kicked non-stop by the JSDF. There's no indication that there's another portal to Earth so far except the one on Japan.
No clue if this appears in the novel but it's definitely not in the Manga so far.
what’s the appeal of this anime?
watching dudes with guns and tanks and jets and helicopters against dudes with swords is about as interesting or compelling as watching seals getting clubbed or male chicks against the grinder
The jsdf as depicted in the manga/anime is more fantasy than the fantasy setting it takes part in.
It's one of the few good uses of isekai because it actually does something with the isekai concept.
sauce ?
moronic animu series 10592
80000 Gold
It only goes GATE mode in the second half of the season, but the source material continues afterwards.
what a /k/utie
Drifters did this concept way better than Gate ever did.
Too bad you can't watch it anywhere. At least, no where I could find
Yeah and it probably won't get another season either, at least not with how it's looking now.
They'd have to do better just by virtue of having more experience with military expeditions on foreign soil, let alone having superior equipment and numbers.
Also they wouldn't be doing moronic imperial revanchist shit like the stupid c**t author was pushing.
They would do worse. Japan is homogenous, pragmatic and has a history of empire. The US would get bogged down in hearts and minds+leftist way of life injection, while also blocking the military from doing its job.
and for that reason japan is a military super power and the US isn't--- oh wait, that's not the case.
We're talking about a fantasy scenario anon, not real life. You don't have to lash out everytime someone points out the 21st century US's myriad faults.
you weren't
>while also blocking the military from doing its job.
mutts never hold back if they're attacked directly.
this is something zoomers don't understand because they don't remember how bloodthirsty 9/11 made the entire American political spectrum (which goes center right to far right), with few exceptions. Iraq gets lumped in but was really an opportunistic clusterfrick by Cheney and Rumsfeld
plus those complaining about "muh weak emotional people wanting to protect the hostile culture" are mistaking liberal identity politics for actual leftism; not the same thing, but conservatives tend to struggle with the differences because it doesn't conveniently fit into their "leftist cultural decay" boogeyman they constructed out of Cold War propaganda they deepthroated
realistically what drives all of that is thermodynamics, and its laws are rather unkind to "growth from innovation" in mainstream macroecon - you can't just turn an economy into a perpetual motion machine by invoking the correct combination of regulations. cancer grows fastest right before it kills you (and, by extension, itself)
GDP, GDP/capita, and HDI are all ridiculous metrics with extremely dubious assumptions built into them, especially assumptions about "market forces" and "market efficiency", which are circular logic - "the market is efficient because it rewards profit, and profit is efficiency because we redefined efficiency to be measured by profit". the reality is it rewards profit and that happens to occasionally overlap with efficiency but very often does not
GDP goes up by $200 when i pay someone $100 to give me $100. GDP/capita inherits that issue. HDI divides income per capita (it's blind to inequality) and assumes a great deal about quality of life from GDP (because it actually includes GDP), lifespan, and raw enrollment numbers.
macroeconomics is a farce that created its own fake nobel (memorial) prize to pat itself on the back
That's a lot of words that I didn't read. No metric is perfect but I doubt you would argue with a poker face, for example, that life is better in Somalia than Norway.
First the counterargument argument was "but muh HDI", now your counterargument is that HDI is meaningless.
So just shut the frick up, Black person.
depends which life you're comparing. i doubt a Somalian warlord, given the option, would choose to instead be a Norwegian wagecuck
>While also blocking the military from doing its job
Japan is way, WAY worse in that regard. They take civilian control so seriously that they straight up can't do ANYTHING without some political bigwig giving the OK, even if they're actively being shot at.
Japan is worse when it comes to their nation building and military. Don't act like japan was any better. America is still leads ahead of japan.
There's a story quite like this, on R*ddit (Piss be Upon It), called Retreat, Hell!
If you want to see elves get mowed down by A20 warthogs, ran over by tanks, and napalmed like good VC, it's the story for you.
they're all VC when the bombs explode
i would have been interesting if someone leak shit like the communist manifesto and see the medieval world going for the same shit we did in the 20s
In the GATE world the US grinds everybody into the dust more rapidly and brutally then makes money mining and selling them junk food.
If the GATE setting was half as interesting as any random homebrew dnd game you'd have to deal with:
1) Giant flying magic dinosaurs with genius level intellects which can look like anybody at will, read minds, scry the future, brainwash by staring hard enough, make battalions shit themselves my screaming too loud, teleport, stop time, and sometimes just cast the fricking Wish spells for free.
2) Autistic evil unkillable skeleton nerds who don't even have brains anymore and therefore have no limit to their ability to retain information.
3) Extra dimensional entities whose very nature compels them to frick with people and self-righteously consider their particular opinions on a 9 square chart to be inherently superior to all others, and woe betide you if you disagree.
4) 1001 unique and totally independent supernatural plagues which cause whomever is killed by a victim of that plague to rise from death as a carrier of that plague(ie all contagious undead).
5) Parties of homeless buttholes who did pushups and punched goblins until they found themselves able to run at 30mph for 20 minutes on a single breath, jump 80ft vertically, suplex most AFVs and carve through several feet of steel with their +5 Holy Avenger that has been folded four quadrillion times.
i think the main problem is that we don't have any real reference for the magic system nor any real way to guess how our world's soft power would affect the magical world.
for example, our diseases would frick up hard the magical world; it would be like discovering the new world all over again. and on the other side of the coin, most farmers and peasants would kill to never have to till a field again, just work a 9-5 job and more importantly never ever have to worry again about going hungry in the near future
>Concept is "what if the modern military fought medieval fantasy"
>Drops the ball so hard with magic elves switching sides and AMERICA BAD RISE UP JSDF for no reason
I've always been confused by the ultra nationalists in Japan. US gives them all sorts of toys and grantees that anybody who fricks with them hard enough will be nuked, but that's a raw deal somehow? You can't even entirely blame the fact that the US pulled rung out from under their "economic miracle" which had been given to them via preferential treatment and ceased when it was withdrawn, because some of this shit was present before. Like that one about a submarine captain who goes rogue in a sub that was co-developed with the US and somehow defeats an action group with a single vessel while standing around stoically rather than looking at any information displayed on a screen. I get it during and after the 90s, but Japan's standing among nations is far higher than it was during the height of its empire. Back then it was a sixth or fifth place after America, Britian, Germany, Russia, and maybe france. Today it is third by GDP, and lets be honest China is such a shithole it shouldn't even count in any era so really its second, and probably tied for fourth in military power.
And elf is an elf.
>muh GDP
There is more to life than the economy.
Yes but but any cultural renaissance could be done internally without the imperial patron giving a shit, and you don't often hear the ultranationalists b***hing about the actual foreign obstruction to any such policy namely the israelites and even they aren't doing much with Japan. Japs don't talk much about israelites, at least outside of Angel Cop and that one "they fear the samurai" guy.
Something about that section of society just doesn't like playing second fiddle, which is what got them into their current situation to begin with. They could have just sucked it up and redoubled their efforts in China and Korea while enduring some hardship but they had to spaz out on their moronic Kantai Kessen plan which requires them to do everything perfectly and their opposition to be blind, moronic, and paralyzed.
>Thicc Elf from Elf-San
B-Basado
(Also more realistic than GATE lmao)
High GDP usually means a high standard of living and luxury.
no
The economy drives all those things.
Not true. Highest HDI countries effectively free ride off of natural resources and do less work per monetary unit.
The "economy" for most people is a race to the bottom, the only people that win are people with valuable resources, low to medium end human resources are just not valuable enough and are too easily pitted against one another and AI to eek out value enough without boring monotony to make a fulfilling life.
Lowest GPD/capita countries are low on HDI as well.
Highest GPD/capita countries are high on HDI as well.
Shut the frick up, Black person.
facts
tardation
cringe
The Author of Gate hates the US so much he is moronic for most of it
>Its the US's fault that JSDF isn't allowed to send troops over seas
>Its the US's fault that the JSDF doesn't get funding
>The US does all it can to stop the JSDF from getting larger
>The reason the JSDF doesn't have amazing Tech is because the US prevents Japan from developing its own technology
>Every Japanese politican who wants to get rid of the JSDF is backed by the US
Mean while in reality the US keeps asking Japan to change their constitution to make their military and navy larger and allow them to deploy abroad. But know the moronic Author thinks that the US wants japan to disarm itself and be weak.
>Mean while in reality the US keeps asking Japan to change their constitution to make their military and navy larger and allow them to deploy abroad
source
nta but the supposed "Japan can't send troops anywhere" thing was an effect of a treaty with the US that was replaced in 1960 with something much more like NATO
Japanese nationalists tend to forget that the treaty they're complaining about lasted from 1951 to 1960 and that's it. in the treaty revised in 1960 and left unaltered since, there is no requirement for Japan to support US deployments or wars, there's not even a requirement for the JSDF to come to the US' aid in the event the US is attacked
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_and_Security_between_Japan_and_the_United_States_of_America
article I just says they'll try to handle things peacefully first
article II says they'll try not to operate at cross-purposes to facilitate article I
article III basically encourages Japanese military buildup in support of the first two articles
article V is basically the mutual defense clause but only mentions "territories under the administration of Japan" and combined with article IV basically means the US and Japan can act militarily together
article VI maintains the US military bases but overrides the old treaty's stipulations and requires new agreements to be made regarding the bases
article VII is a weird sort of "we're not trying to replace the UN here" addition
article VIII is basically saying the treaty will be ratified by each nation's respective legislative bodies
article IX completely nullifies the 1951 treaty
article X says the treaty will be mandatory for 10 years and then can be terminated or revised at any later date provided the terminating/revising party provides one year notice beforehand
Some JSDFs grunts in the manga do have a throwaway line that they wouldn't have been able to keep up the rate at which they've been using munitions on the other side of the Gate had it not been for the US supplying them, but it's like the one positive line the manga has about the US.
>they killed a black man
Nukes incoming.
9/11 made people think the US is a big bully even toward its most trusted allies
Honestly, Gate featuring the Empire vs. US civilians would be much more interesting. Quasi-roman legions vs. superior firepower and inferior discipline would make for a more balanced and interesting story.
>bubba and his truck gun drop half of a formation after some soldiers eat his morning mcmuffin and drink his mccoffee
>farm kid drops a few trying to steal goats with a .22
>rural officer responds to a walmart under siege, starts running dudes over and firing from inside his crown vic
>lucas botkin and his friends completely decimate a camp at night, fully kitted out with nvgs, armor and suppressors
>city police shoot, use pepper balls, CS, and 40mm baton rounds to detain dozens of soldiers
>gang members perform drivebys and ambushes on enemy soldiers throughout cities, causing attrition and confusion, making the police's job easier
>firefighters spray attacking soldiers and hold them off with their fire axes, many shit themselves because of the siren
>campus officers and ccw carriers defend college campus, barricading doors and hallways while trying to conserve ammunition and save lives
would be kino of the highest degree
>the portal opens in the middle of fricking nowhere, mexico
>the cartels get to it first before any government could do so.
>shenanigans occur
I'd read that
There is this one alt history novel where basically a modern small virginia town gets transported to 1632 germany. In one instance a vietnam vet digs up his old M60 to mow down landsknechte or whatever.
>portal opens in Johnny Rebel County, AL
>the rednecks finally get to live out their fantasy of fighting off invaders like their great-granpappies did
>by the time the National Guard arrives the locals already drove the invaders back, conquered a vast swat of their land and are building plantations
>Generation Kill crew steamrollin through fantasy land
k..kino..
>Damn, Brad, what else you got hidden in the humvee - a fat elf?
>God damn sucka, I just got me some!
>be Gate
>ask yourself if you should write some interesting conflict between technology and magic
>the answer is no
>write modern combined arms blowing up Tetsudos
>yeah that'll be a super compelling "conflict"
Writing GATE is like writing a 10 novel story about Mike Tyson stepping on Hamsters and occasionally not frickin the Hamster women throwing themselves at him because he's such a moral paragon that we should all wish to be.
I wouldn't be surprised if the writer was a Jap who spied on some of /tg/'s "X in fantasyland" Quests and decided to write his version.
Sometimes it's fun just enjoyable stomping on the enemies anon
Realistically, it would rapidly devolve into an Iraq-style insurgency but 20x worse because of magic at the very least. The Japs would just sit in their FOBs all day and accomplish frick all for X years before packing it up and heading home.
Only if the medieval side doesn't want to be brought into the modern world like the sand people didn't, and given the obvious structural similarities between the not!Roman Empire and modern Western nations, integrating them would be far more likely to go well since you wouldn't be introducing massive changes beyond replacing the King with some sort of electoral system.
To them, you are an invader with a completely foreign language and culture. Your nation's values include atheism and buggery. Your soldiers are probably insufferable. Their priests tell them that your technology works on unspeakable black magic and that your medicines are actually poisons.
You, meanwhile, don't have even the slightest understanding of their culture(s) and customs.
Even if they initially like you, relations will take a nosedive. This is what happened in Iraq btw
>Realistically
And there's your problem
I'm forming a death squad to genocide all elves. Frick those long eared bastards.
So uh ...
Try this:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13422864/1/Empires-Infamy
I have two Gate-like fantasies.
First, on Earth, several Gates open in various parts of the world, through which millions of distraught refugees fleeing from a kind of magical apocalypse go.
Their world is destroyed by the armies of the dead, hordes of monsters devour entire cities in one night, the whole world is a highly magical heroic fantasy in which a mixture of Sauron, an archlich and a Lovecraftian monster won.
And of course, the refugees bring here their diseases, their customs, monsters, the risen dead. And also amazing medicines, unique materials created by magic.
The magic of their world after crossing the Gate weakens sharply but does not completely fade away, in general, the law of squared distances works. The rule does not apply to monsters created by magic, the dead, ghosts.
Each country received as a "gift", the Gate copes as best it can and tries to get the maximum benefit.
The second story, the Gate is created by an almost accidental coincidence of experiments on some unique high-energy machine and a similar magical experiment. The gates are small, require synchronous operation of both sides, high energy and mana costs. Gates are limited in weight and teleport size. At the same time, the Gates are secretly and monopolistically owned on the one hand by the guild of magicians who use technological artifacts to increase their power and wealth, and on the other hand by the corporation using the same unique materials of the magical world.
Here the plots are very different, but one of the global ones - another catastrophe-invasion of monsters is approaching the magical world, and the corporation seeks to preserve its assets by providing assistance through these extremely limited Gates.
Go watch Stargate
based
To think american isekai is more cringe than japanese.
Anything and everything even remotely nipponese is cringe.
Two nukes weren't enough.
Which theme was better?
>portal to the past opens and we stream tanks through to frick up knights
Cool as shit
>little girl with an oversized axe shows up and fights the tanks
I fricking hate anime so much
Reddit might be more your speed
Stay mad, pedo
I'm gonna frick Rory in the back of our truck and there's nothing you can do about it
you should be killed
>the wizard talking about magic 0.5 seconds before a Hellfire R9X knife missile completely eviscerates him at 1,600km/hr with centimeter accuracy
Well, if it starts like the show did with an unprovoked invasion by an entire army that rapes and pillages through a city, capturing as many civilians as they possibly can to be sold into slavery and murdering those that they can't take, I could see a lot of nations dusting off the old flamethrowers and having a nose through their chemical weapon stores to show those monsters what sort of demonic hellspawn they have just made enemies of.
Could you imagine what their reaction would be to fricking clouds of Mustard Gas rolling through the gate followed by soldiers dressed in gasmasks riding tanks through, silently gunning down each and every one of them, because they can't hear them talking to each other through their radio sets, before the gunships are brought through to scour the planes of any sentient life?
Birth rates in all allied nations eventually become sustainable thanks to war brides and immigration
There's a reddit series called "the soulless verse" that is pretty much gate but done horny.
Pretty much humanity gets through the gate, takes over a city as part of a deal, and promptly goes into diplomacy because war doesn't benefit any of humanity's goals.
Also it has an entire chapter/page dedicated to a group of elves checking out a humans ass. Pretty nice.
sounds fricking awful. i want lockheed martin to become the ruler of the new world through violence and technology
But that's less interesting then humans taking over by diplomacy and black operations that use mercenarys ans bandits.
>then
>skunkworks antimagic technology
IMAGINE
> be in F.O.B dragonland
> 14th marine expditionary force last company had half the unit go awol to gain XP or shit
> locals speak some gurp-gork that we dont speak
>some bearded twat with horns on head cooked off 2 bradlys before geting blasted to mush by claymores.
These wankfests about hapless medieval peasants getting run over by tanks all have the exact same energy as that weird kid who lights stray cats on fire and they're always so fricking uncomfortable to read.
peasant mindset
Well It’s the anime equivalent of coming up with a smart response two days after loosing a verbal confrontation
stop projecting
I just like it because it mirrored reality not that long ago.
Stomping primatives allows for more interesting writing imo, in particular when people start becoming lax.
t. hapless medieval peasant
Let’s be honest the only reason 99% of you would go through GATE is to get your dick inside some elves or humanoid monsters. It would be a total different story if we only find some tentacle abomination only 1% will frick
That said I was thinking if we will try to modify the alien locals to have more resemblances of our image
>he doesn't want to frick the tentacle abomination
gay artist
We already wrote a better gate back in the 90s
The other world is going to give us turbo syphilis and we're going to give it mega smallpox, all by accident, and the war is pretty much just a function of which one is deadlier
>Ah, yes. Isekai story subversion, my favorite.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/57505/his-soul-is-marching-on-to-another-world-or-the
>tfw no one has the testicular fortitude to animate an abolitionist isekai.
>abolitionist isekai
I want and need it.
Would any nation today have trouble stomping a enemy that is the equivalent of the Roman Empire, just with some wyvern riders?
Seems like a more interesting premise than modern, professional army stomps some medival world.
Russia
nah, russia can definitely do it just because weapons wise, the enemy isn't anywhere near a peer, but they will take a ridiculous amount of casualties
>but they will take a ridiculous amount of casualties
So there you have it, they can't just roflstomp the enemy.
I think they would only be interested in sealing the aperture, not playing le epic imperialist le based JDSF
>an entire world filled with natural resources and human capital
>I FINK DEY DO DA CLOSE IT
Yeah no
>going to war
>not infiltrating them and tearing them down from the inside with media
they already have that in isekai-land
you can do both at the same time
Post here instead
nah
I just want a reverse iseaki that's basically just Suicide Squad with the government hiring wizards and knights to do covert ops
Not quite what you want, but Spec-Ops Asuka has antitero magical girls that work with real guns and isekai magic at the same time. Also lesbians.
US-coalition forces are off to a great start, shattering the conventional militaries of the other side, but sooner or later they figure out our weakness is asymmetrical warfare. You can find any number of threads on TTRPG forums about the havoc that someone can cause with minor spells, for example, the list of 1st-level spells from any edition of Dungeons and Dragons. A caster does require some training, but depending on circumstances the only way to distinguish him from a civilian is maybe the twig he was handling at the moment he spent a spell slot to destroy a million dollar piece of equipment.
>range 30 feet