If you send 50, they'd get Himar'd along with the massive supply depot you had to set up close to the front to prepare for that large an assault, Then artillery deploys a bunch of anti-tank smart mines around your stuck column, then they start raining those Himars with tungsten balls on you.
Now photos of 50 destroyed Russian tanks make headlines all the over the world, milbloggers start accusing you of being responsible for everything and then you're head is getting hammered by Wagner for being a traitor.
>so whats counter to this?
what you see in the OP is unironically the best they have, they don't have artillery accurate enough to clear these trenches so they just pepper it a little and send 3 BMPs and a tank, 2 BMPs and the tank get roasted and you instantly lose 20+ vatoids but the 10 or so remaining vatnigs might be enough to take the trench, after all each of these trench lines are manned by maybe 5-8 ukie territorial defense troops , after all there's that video that vatgroids love to parade around were a single rusoid sneaks behind 5 Ukrainians in a trench and takes them out, you just gotta remember there's 3 burnt out BMPs and 30 well done vatpiggies behind him
So if thing go perfectly you lose 20 subhumans but eliminate 8 Ukrainians and take a trench and if things go poorly you lose 30 subhumans for no gain, but overall the monke is perfectly content to spend 8:1 forces if it means they're still advancing sometimes, that should be enough to explain what's happened in Bakhmut for the last 9 months
1. They need more drones and shells to properly saturate and supress positions before an attack.
2. More time to train infantry for better flank and provide supporting fire.
3. More training for IFV crews to fire and maneuver to avoid being hit.
4. More suppression of air assets and EW before an attack to interrupt Ukrainian precision fires
Russia simply has no "real" counter to HIMARs though. Their best bet is to simply do their absolute best to supress Ukrainian targeting by hitting their drones. Russia's reconnaissance strike capability is simply not good enough. Their drones and air assets can't find them, their artillery and MLRS is too short ranged for quick targeting, and their fixed wing can't stay in the air long to launch bombs and missiles. By the time a target would be called in, the HIMARs is likely long gone before a plane is flying and capable of launching. It is theoretically possible, but first they'd have to destroy the Ukrainian air defense network to allow the Russian aircraft to have air dominance and better battlefield observation. .
Anon, by assembling 50 you end up becoming a larger target and they just outright dump 500 shells and HIMARs into your formation as they arrive and or get stuck in place via layers of ATGMs.
Yes, it might break through the first layer or two, but then you hit a wall (a larger base of operations with enough ATGMs to deal with you) or another minefield, and instead of losing 3 vehicles, you've lost 50 and the Ukrainians are laughing at vuhludar mk 2 as they clear the flanks yet again from the more defensible town.
If you send 50, they'd get Himar'd along with the massive supply depot you had to set up close to the front to prepare for that large an assault, Then artillery deploys a bunch of anti-tank smart mines around your stuck column, then they start raining those Himars with tungsten balls on you.
Now photos of 50 destroyed Russian tanks make headlines all the over the world, milbloggers start accusing you of being responsible for everything and then you're head is getting hammered by Wagner for being a traitor.
Let alone the fact that Ukraine is almost mechanised and can counter major assaults my bringing their own armour and quick response mechanised ATGM teams.
lets say Russians want to send 4 tanks and 16 IFVs to take the trench, four time the soldiers should work, right? Wrong. Such concentration of vehicles would be located long before assault starts and that trench would be reinforced. Now they wouldn't face trench with few soldiers, drone with grenades and mines. Now they'd face Javelin team, probably a tank providing fire support and few PzH or Crabs killing of Russians.
Vuhledar is good comparison, Russians thought that sending 150+ vehicles would be enough and they were wrong
It was reported that in Vuhledar the Ukies would wait for the assault force to get close to their target and then they would use the Remote Anti-Armor Mine System rounds to scatter mines behind them. So the Vatniks would have to drive through a mine field to get to them but also drive through an entire new mine field when retreating.
I've read both Russian and Ukrainian reports and it was much worse than that if all of it was true >first line of mines removed by Russian sappers before attack, gets reapplied by RAAMs before Russian know it >second line of mines has two different type of mines used, on the roads are placed magnetic mines that only trigger on 4th activation, cutting leading 3 vehicles from the rest of convoy, in the field normal soviet AT mines. When 4th vehicle blows up on magnetic mine all vehicle behind them either try to maneuver around and get blown up by soviet mines or try to retreat and get blown up by RAAM >vehicle that pass mines get ambushed by Ukrainian tanks that shoot at leading vehicle, once it's destroyed lemmings following them panic and run back into mines once again >everyone gets killed by artillery >vehicle that manage to retreat to villages gets blown up by drones dropping thermobaric grenades into them
The more vehicles there are together, the more likely an artillery round is to hit one of them when it's shot at the cluster. It doesn't take much longer to destroy thirty vehicles than it takes to destroy three.
I cannot believe I'm actually saying this but a HD video of a squad of soldiers with a BMP getting slaughtered really doesnt need its own thread anymore.
Maybe we should make a "squads getting whiped that dont deserve their own thread"-thread
I dunno, good videos with multiple dead + vehicles is still decent kino.
It isn't video'd frequently enough to warrant complaining really.
I'd get you if it was infantry only.
While I disagree, I get what you mean. There's just so much good footage these days HD footage of a high-intensity conflict between two modern-ish militaries is starting to become mundane.
Kek. Literally this
Before this war a video like this would have been a fricking classic. Even the Syrian ones weren't this good.
Now it's just, meh, another one today? Let's watch it before I finish my coffee
I mean, maybe if they were Ukrainian corpses it might be intimidating, but they are just barely trained russian mobik corpses, it reeks of desperation more than anything
I think the barrel is too short and thick to be the 30mm. That we only saw the single giant muzzle blast rather than a burst makes me think it's a bmp1 with 73mm Grom.
>56th Motorized Brigade insignia >blue and yellow as main colors >Ruskie camo on the guys being blown up
Of course is of holhol losses comrade John Smithovich of Montana, I am now the demoralized
Any nation would be performing like this if they were forced to grab guys from the streets and factories. What you think Pierre Abuwadi, Bazza Singh, Fritz Mehmet or Joe Carlos Tyrone will be experts?
Experience isn't preserved
a) most die
b) anti meritocracy means of those that survive, what gets passed down is not necessarily related to reality
c) if anyone managed to avoid a) and b), they are dangerous to moscow. kill them
Pretty much every exercise since the fall of the USSR was heavily scripted and coordinated to make things look really good to the upper management. That and throwing a bunch of poorly trained conscripts wave after wave at fortified positions ends up being a complete disaster. There was a RAND report where they broke down the yearly training that the Russian military would get. It was pretty terrible in comparison to any NATO country.
Experience isn't preserved
a) most die
b) anti meritocracy means of those that survive, what gets passed down is not necessarily related to reality
c) if anyone managed to avoid a) and b), they are dangerous to moscow. kill them
institutional knowledge just doesn't last long. Experienced units aren't rotated and left to grind into dust, competency is seen as either a threat in peacetime or as a reason to keep them in the frontline while at war. Factionalism is widespread and results in slow communication of lessons learned. Low budgets made smaller by embezzlement mean training in peacetime is half-hearted and few lessons are effectively passed on etc etc. There's a multitude of reasons.
>mmmh well it's clear the Ukis are going to do something big soon so what should we do? >How about we send 3 bmps and 20 dudes on a suicide attack we no chance of success whatsoever. >brillant! >I know, we should do that everyday.
why are they like this?
someone post the armchair copelord tweet where he says commanders are lucky to lose 50% of their assault force crossing a river, by that logic losing 70% of your force in a trench assault is totally reasonable
>lose 80% of your assault group >still charge in because chechens will rape and execute you if you retreat >get wiped out >try again next day
this seems to be the case with even successful pushes around and in Bakhmut
can a vatBlack personoid please explain to me how they are supposed to be inflicting disproportionate losses on the Ukraininas when you're routinely losing 80% of your force before even reaching a trench?
>those lifeless bodies on top of bmp at the trench as some cruel joke twist on infantry as add-on armor
there is only war in the grimdark future of 2023
ERA costs money, vatnik corpses are the most abundant and cheap resource they have. Hell, if they really thought corpses were effective at protecting armor, they'd kill civilians and tie them to armor.
holy shit what a fricking slaughter, even without the dronerino once the supporting tank was knocked out the mission was a suicide
>literally over the trench
>fires its main gun
what was he trying to accomplish here?
suppressing fire
What map is this? I know it's not wake island
al-mazrah season 3 update
maybe shooting at something in the distance, maybe hoped for concussion effect on infantry in the trench ?
webm
you do it. its gonna look like shit being compressed down to 3mb tho
can't see shit cap. ISP blocks that fricking site
It's blocking just being blocked at the DNS level. Just change your DNS server to an unfiltered one.
>It's blocking
It's most likely***
I can't type for shit apparently.
frick happend there? artillery?
mines and arty. iirc it was one of those infamous russian assaults on vuhledar lmao
Whoa those tanks are pretty fast once the afterburners kick in.
webm'd
Why aren't there any AT weapons in that trench? They could have dropped that BMP with even a AT4.
Probably used it on the previous tanks.
shitstains won't be liberating anyone anymore KEK
>send 3 vehicles to attack
>they get rekt
>attack fails
moron here. why not send lots of vehicles in the attack so when you inevitably lose a few, it doesn't completely zap your attack power?
because they probably only had 3
you can see 4 vehicles although
Oh that's alright then, carry on
Look at Vuhledar.
Artillery and mines don't discriminate, they don't mind bigger assaults.
Artillery and mines can handle things if you send 10.
Not if you send 50.
If you send 50, they'd get Himar'd along with the massive supply depot you had to set up close to the front to prepare for that large an assault, Then artillery deploys a bunch of anti-tank smart mines around your stuck column, then they start raining those Himars with tungsten balls on you.
Now photos of 50 destroyed Russian tanks make headlines all the over the world, milbloggers start accusing you of being responsible for everything and then you're head is getting hammered by Wagner for being a traitor.
so whats counter to this?
>so whats counter to this?
what you see in the OP is unironically the best they have, they don't have artillery accurate enough to clear these trenches so they just pepper it a little and send 3 BMPs and a tank, 2 BMPs and the tank get roasted and you instantly lose 20+ vatoids but the 10 or so remaining vatnigs might be enough to take the trench, after all each of these trench lines are manned by maybe 5-8 ukie territorial defense troops , after all there's that video that vatgroids love to parade around were a single rusoid sneaks behind 5 Ukrainians in a trench and takes them out, you just gotta remember there's 3 burnt out BMPs and 30 well done vatpiggies behind him
So if thing go perfectly you lose 20 subhumans but eliminate 8 Ukrainians and take a trench and if things go poorly you lose 30 subhumans for no gain, but overall the monke is perfectly content to spend 8:1 forces if it means they're still advancing sometimes, that should be enough to explain what's happened in Bakhmut for the last 9 months
don't invade ukraine
With what Russia operates?
1. They need more drones and shells to properly saturate and supress positions before an attack.
2. More time to train infantry for better flank and provide supporting fire.
3. More training for IFV crews to fire and maneuver to avoid being hit.
4. More suppression of air assets and EW before an attack to interrupt Ukrainian precision fires
Russia simply has no "real" counter to HIMARs though. Their best bet is to simply do their absolute best to supress Ukrainian targeting by hitting their drones. Russia's reconnaissance strike capability is simply not good enough. Their drones and air assets can't find them, their artillery and MLRS is too short ranged for quick targeting, and their fixed wing can't stay in the air long to launch bombs and missiles. By the time a target would be called in, the HIMARs is likely long gone before a plane is flying and capable of launching. It is theoretically possible, but first they'd have to destroy the Ukrainian air defense network to allow the Russian aircraft to have air dominance and better battlefield observation. .
Anon, by assembling 50 you end up becoming a larger target and they just outright dump 500 shells and HIMARs into your formation as they arrive and or get stuck in place via layers of ATGMs.
Yes, it might break through the first layer or two, but then you hit a wall (a larger base of operations with enough ATGMs to deal with you) or another minefield, and instead of losing 3 vehicles, you've lost 50 and the Ukrainians are laughing at vuhludar mk 2 as they clear the flanks yet again from the more defensible town.
Let alone the fact that Ukraine is almost mechanised and can counter major assaults my bringing their own armour and quick response mechanised ATGM teams.
Russia send maybe more than 200 in Vuhledar, why that didn't help, again?
>Send 10
>They also all die to the ATGM team
I mean if you want feel free.
lets say Russians want to send 4 tanks and 16 IFVs to take the trench, four time the soldiers should work, right? Wrong. Such concentration of vehicles would be located long before assault starts and that trench would be reinforced. Now they wouldn't face trench with few soldiers, drone with grenades and mines. Now they'd face Javelin team, probably a tank providing fire support and few PzH or Crabs killing of Russians.
Vuhledar is good comparison, Russians thought that sending 150+ vehicles would be enough and they were wrong
>drone with grenades and mines
It was reported that in Vuhledar the Ukies would wait for the assault force to get close to their target and then they would use the Remote Anti-Armor Mine System rounds to scatter mines behind them. So the Vatniks would have to drive through a mine field to get to them but also drive through an entire new mine field when retreating.
The way they setup that kill zone was insane
If i remember correctly the russian 155th naval infantry brigade was smoked almost intantly
I've read both Russian and Ukrainian reports and it was much worse than that if all of it was true
>first line of mines removed by Russian sappers before attack, gets reapplied by RAAMs before Russian know it
>second line of mines has two different type of mines used, on the roads are placed magnetic mines that only trigger on 4th activation, cutting leading 3 vehicles from the rest of convoy, in the field normal soviet AT mines. When 4th vehicle blows up on magnetic mine all vehicle behind them either try to maneuver around and get blown up by soviet mines or try to retreat and get blown up by RAAM
>vehicle that pass mines get ambushed by Ukrainian tanks that shoot at leading vehicle, once it's destroyed lemmings following them panic and run back into mines once again
>everyone gets killed by artillery
>vehicle that manage to retreat to villages gets blown up by drones dropping thermobaric grenades into them
Where can I read about this stuff more? Specifically vuldehar
>RAAMs
What does that mean? Rocket Assisted Automatic Mines?
remote anti-armor mines.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/raam.htm
Where is her swastika?
It's AI. AI can't do symbols. Has to be photoshopped in after initial production. Everyone is too lazy to do it.
Here, fixed the AI's biggest. easiest-to-fix frickups.
Now you can go ahead and cover her in brand logos.
>muh far righterino
Eat shit and die you Black person. Just because i despise vatniks does not mean i wouldn't pile you up with them either.
>not scrawny and strung out
>no snaggle tooth
>no tattoo
you just don't fricking get it man
Had to be sanitized for normies.
The more vehicles there are together, the more likely an artillery round is to hit one of them when it's shot at the cluster. It doesn't take much longer to destroy thirty vehicles than it takes to destroy three.
Monkie man says attack
Attack with what you got and shot all that retreat.
This is the Russian way. If the west gets bored and stops the Funs from flowing Russia wins.
Not saying Russians win as they get to die for no gain or improvement of their life but the Monkie man gets to LARP as a great war leader for a bit.
>reminder that so far this war has costed the US 0.00303% of GDP
I cannot believe I'm actually saying this but a HD video of a squad of soldiers with a BMP getting slaughtered really doesnt need its own thread anymore.
Maybe we should make a "squads getting whiped that dont deserve their own thread"-thread
I dunno, good videos with multiple dead + vehicles is still decent kino.
It isn't video'd frequently enough to warrant complaining really.
I'd get you if it was infantry only.
I don't know what you're seeing but there was definitely more than one vic getting rekt there
While I disagree, I get what you mean. There's just so much good footage these days HD footage of a high-intensity conflict between two modern-ish militaries is starting to become mundane.
Kek. Literally this
Before this war a video like this would have been a fricking classic. Even the Syrian ones weren't this good.
Now it's just, meh, another one today? Let's watch it before I finish my coffee
>BMP using dead Vatniks as reactive armor
>dead
>reacative
They've already been used once, now they're reacted armor.
Are they really reactive armour if they don't react because they're dead.
He meant reenactor not reactive. Because the the gear they use is from ww2 reenactments
jej
Not the first time we have seen VRA
The first time I saw this I was like "awww poor tree"
>Blyative armor
BMP assaulting trench w 3 corpses on top
i dont even know how to comment that
shit is straight out of the Firefly movie, topkek. The Reavers would attach corpses on their ships.
>The Reavers would attach corpses on their ships.
Not the only thing they have in common
Yah, the more I think about it the Reavers are a pretty good analogue to the Russian military.
>rapes everything that moves
>tortures people for fun
>throws meat waves at any problem
>room temp IQ
What did Reavers ever do to you to deserve being compared to vatniks?
What a fricking nightmare
I mean, maybe if they were Ukrainian corpses it might be intimidating, but they are just barely trained russian mobik corpses, it reeks of desperation more than anything
>BMP assaulting trench w 3 corpses on top
i thought you meant that the trench had 3 corpses at the lip
mfw
Well on the bright side their parents should be getting brand new Lada's
I like the way how Russia has never managed to build proper cars and home appliances...
>get in homosexual, we're invading Ukraine
Mafia looking Putin in a Lada is something I wasn't expecting.
I like how the laughing at how shitty cars their peasant drives while they drive based western ones.
macabre
literal orc behavior
Is that a BMP-1AM?
that's bmp2
mbp1 has a cannon
bmp3 has cannon w autocannon
BMP-1AM has the 30mm from the BTR-82A, the weird turret shape makes me think it's one.
Smaller turret and 4 back openings, it's a BMP-1xx
BMP-1AM is the official name for the Basurmanin isn't it?
VTEC JUST KICKED IN YO
basurmanin has all that jazz on it's smol turret
I put the new forgis on the jeep
ZAMN
nice ass cheeks
I think the barrel is too short and thick to be the 30mm. That we only saw the single giant muzzle blast rather than a burst makes me think it's a bmp1 with 73mm Grom.
If only that one Russian wasn't rude enough to die on the side of the turret so we wouldn't need to have this discussion.
Thats 100% a BMP-1, the weapon isnt an autocannon and the turret is way too small for two people
The BMP-1 turret can only fit 1 person, the BMP-2 can fit two
u right
i'm a moronic spaz
going to store to buy rope
Man i do love seeing russians suffer and die. That's amazing shit.
>all the fricking corpses on top of the IFV
Thank goodness the Ukis are getting some decent APCs and IFVs so they dont need to do that crap anymore, needlessly risky
who's getting lit up? ziggers or piggers?
>56th Motorized Brigade insignia
>blue and yellow as main colors
>Ruskie camo on the guys being blown up
Of course is of holhol losses comrade John Smithovich of Montana, I am now the demoralized
It's a xoxol slaughter
don't ask me for proofs
Why is Russia so bad at war despite being so experienced with it?
Any nation would be performing like this if they were forced to grab guys from the streets and factories. What you think Pierre Abuwadi, Bazza Singh, Fritz Mehmet or Joe Carlos Tyrone will be experts?
I think you're putting the cart before the horse here
Experience isn't preserved
a) most die
b) anti meritocracy means of those that survive, what gets passed down is not necessarily related to reality
c) if anyone managed to avoid a) and b), they are dangerous to moscow. kill them
Pretty much every exercise since the fall of the USSR was heavily scripted and coordinated to make things look really good to the upper management. That and throwing a bunch of poorly trained conscripts wave after wave at fortified positions ends up being a complete disaster. There was a RAND report where they broke down the yearly training that the Russian military would get. It was pretty terrible in comparison to any NATO country.
This
institutional knowledge just doesn't last long. Experienced units aren't rotated and left to grind into dust, competency is seen as either a threat in peacetime or as a reason to keep them in the frontline while at war. Factionalism is widespread and results in slow communication of lessons learned. Low budgets made smaller by embezzlement mean training in peacetime is half-hearted and few lessons are effectively passed on etc etc. There's a multitude of reasons.
>mmmh well it's clear the Ukis are going to do something big soon so what should we do?
>How about we send 3 bmps and 20 dudes on a suicide attack we no chance of success whatsoever.
>brillant!
>I know, we should do that everyday.
why are they like this?
An attempt was made/10
It seemed partially succesful
>partially succesful
What they succeeded at? Reaching a trench is not a success
someone post the armchair copelord tweet where he says commanders are lucky to lose 50% of their assault force crossing a river, by that logic losing 70% of your force in a trench assault is totally reasonable
>lose 80% of your assault group
>still charge in because chechens will rape and execute you if you retreat
>get wiped out
>try again next day
this seems to be the case with even successful pushes around and in Bakhmut
can a vatBlack personoid please explain to me how they are supposed to be inflicting disproportionate losses on the Ukraininas when you're routinely losing 80% of your force before even reaching a trench?
I rate it dead ziggers/10.
>Rate this trench assault
2/10, best I can do for you comrade.
Please compare to this assault for reference
Maybe Putin should appoint someone other than Zapp Branigan to lead the offensive operations
>those lifeless bodies on top of bmp at the trench as some cruel joke twist on infantry as add-on armor
there is only war in the grimdark future of 2023
What's the point of dead Vatniks on bmp? To scare enemy?
Weren't they just dudes riding on it that got blyated?
anon, those vatBlack folk on top of the BMP were alive a short while before that segment.
ERA costs money, vatnik corpses are the most abundant and cheap resource they have. Hell, if they really thought corpses were effective at protecting armor, they'd kill civilians and tie them to armor.
>ERA
>on BMP
Corpses are better armor for IFV than era