They haven't made any significant gains. At no point over the front line has the first line of defences been breached, the Russians are playing defence in depth and there are two further lines that are untouched.
47th has flopped at breaching. Sorry if you had some kind of emotional attachment to it.
Sorry is it not common knowlege that they failed in their assault? There's a photos of them sitting in a Russian minefield all over the place. What do you call a failed assault?
How can you argue a photo of less than 5 destroyed vehicles that was reposted a lot equates to failing the counteroffensive. We know Ukraine has that ground now because we saw them leisurely recovering those damaged Bradleys. The real failure is russias inability to destroy mobility killed IFVs with accurate artillery fire
11 months ago
Anonymous
>How can you argue a photo of less than 5 destroyed vehicles that was reposted a lot equates to failing the counteroffensive.
That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that they have failed because they haven't breached a single lone of Russias layered defences.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm arguing that they have failed because they haven't breached a single lone of Russias layered defences.
Why would you argue that. Can you point out russias unmolested lines please.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Being asked for proof >"Lol no I'm not gonna do it, YOU should do it instead"
Impressive, so this is the true power of estrogen-addled nafoid shills
11 months ago
Anonymous
This does not align at all with what Russians are reporting on the ground. Interesting
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, not to mention that Ukies have a solid foothold over the dniper now so...
11 months ago
Anonymous
>solid foothold over the dniper
70 guys lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
300 apparently these days. Again, RU sources, since ukies are keeping quiet about it
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/J1AVOP3.png
Oh, not to mention that Ukies have a solid foothold over the dniper now so...
source: trust me bro
11 months ago
Anonymous
As opposed to trust me that the lines haven’t been breach. kek you just got BTFO
11 months ago
Anonymous
Russian sources, as I said.
PS: 57th is not in the first line of defence, how did they get there, unless something bad happened?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Clearly they've been promoted to crumple zone duty
11 months ago
Anonymous
May we see this "russian source"?
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's from Khodakovsky
11 months ago
Anonymous
It doesn’t count after the first line of defense was breached we moved it back so it hasn’t been breached yet
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/L9F9Mso.png
Seeing first line of defense soldiers surrendering is proof that Ukraine broke the first line of defense. Thank you to these 2 posters
11 months ago
Anonymous
Does that mean every unit that Russia too prisoners from no longer exists? Or have you never heard of troops getting cut off?
The US managed to get plenty of people captured by Iraq in 1991 - and I'm not talking about pilots.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It means you’re floundering and have yet to prove your claim that the first line of defense hasn’t been breached. The Bradley and its infantry are single-handedly raping Russian lines.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The Ukrainians haven't crossed a single line of Russian prepared defences. You can literally see where they are on satilite pictures. I posted a map that charts them with the forces location's frome today. Everything else has been you trying to cope your way out of Bradley failing in every breach it has attempted.
The more emotionally invested you get the less able you are to see the Ukrainians flopping.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Post the map without AT ditches as solid lines. I dare you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t care about your time wasting task. You’ve just been BTFO
11 months ago
Anonymous
>He doesn't know that the "lines of defence" are actually just AT ditches and the Russians have no tactical depth
Cope and seethe. Russia will withdraw in shame to pre 2014 borders. The only question is whether Putin will be dragged into the street and bayonetted in the ass first. Russia will be lucky to keep Rostov and access to the Black Sea when this is all over.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't make the maps, war mapper do and have been by far the most neutral in their coverage.
>How can you argue a photo of less than 5 destroyed vehicles that was reposted a lot equates to failing the counteroffensive.
That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that they have failed because they haven't breached a single lone of Russias layered defences.
>At no point over the front line has the first line of defences been breached >they haven't breached a single lone of Russias layered defences
Russians are reporting otherwise
[...]
>the Russians are playing defence in depth
No, they don't. At utter most you can call "elastic defence", where they desperately spam counter-attacks and burn their reserves in order to attempt to regain the lost ground, despite failing over and over. You know why they do it? Because unlike you they understand how useless their >two further lines
are, due to logistical hassle of that area once Ukrainians get closer there.
>At no point over the front line has the first line of defences been breached
Anon, I don't know how to tell you, but they've already breached the second line in some places.
>started claiming the first line hasn’t been reached >were at the point where they are fervently arguing that the second line hasn’t been reached
holy shit Russians giving up as much ground in /k/ arguments as they do in real life
11 months ago
Anonymous
Me calling you out for lying isn't me arguing. You can claim whatever you want. But the first line of prepared defences hasn't been breached, Bradley has flopped.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You really come off as a complete moron, fyi
11 months ago
Anonymous
Your opinions doesn't matter, Ukraine not making progress matters. Bradley and 47th haven't made any ground. Probably time to let the more elite forces take over.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If Ukraine isn't making progress, why the frick are Russian telegram bloggers crying about it?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bradley really bradbroke the guy. He’s overdosing on copium
11 months ago
Anonymous
Can you show me any evidence of Bradley breaching a Russian defensively position? I've been asking all thread.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You’ve got it already. The infamous picture of broken Bradleys and then the leasurely recovery from a once defended area
11 months ago
Anonymous
If a man dies in no man's land and his body is recovered did he make it past the opponents trench?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>most praised IFV to ever see combat
kek keep letting us know just how mad the Bradley makes you
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yet it can't breach a Russian defensive line and has become a meme for its hilariously bad failed attack a few weeks ago.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lines already been breached and a picture of 3 killed vehicles won’t stop Russia from retreating
11 months ago
Anonymous
The Bradley and the 47th is by far the best unit Ukraine has.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You didn't watch them jumping out of vehicles onto mines did you?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I saw one video of an infantryman stepping on a mine what does that have to do with anything
11 months ago
Anonymous
>an infantryman
He hasn't seen it lol. It's like 6 guys all standing on different mines. Here's your elite 47th bro
Are you expecting me to post a rybar map with it marked or something? There's an interview with polish volunteer medic, who's doing medevac in Zaporozhe, where he says that they're currently working between the first and second line, but second line has been shallowly breached in some places already.
?t=2547
Other interesting things he says are: >russians fighting there are well motivated and equipped units >russian airforce is much less active than it was in Bakhmut (where he also served as a medic with UA SOF for almost an entire duration of the battle there) >there's roughly a parity in artillery between both sides, Ukrainian withdrawals have been saved by counter battery fire on multiple occasions >Ukrainians are very well organized from the medical point of view; it's much better than a year ago and it's obvious that a lot of thought went into it
11 months ago
Anonymous
This is more than anything russia has to offer. So first line is breached completely and second is being assaulted in places. Russia is losing pretty bad
11 months ago
Anonymous
Two things I want to also point out: >this guy is very reliable and he's always avoided any drama, never said anything he wasn't sure about; even in the interview he criticizes polish OSINT community for how they were reporting about prigozyn >he's probably giving info that's already a few days old; there was another, more direct question about the chances of breaching the frontlines, where he says that he can't talk about it and redirects the question into talking about how more western equipment is needed etc.
They're the ones that lost the famously reposted Bradleys and were also the subjects of that minefield video. Not surprising considering they're the tip of the spear, but they're gonna be a pretty chewed up brigade when all is said and done
Yea I remember when those 3 vehicles were destroyed. Luckily Ukraine gained that land as we saw in the Bradley recovery video. How exactly does that translate to the unit being BTFO
>without penetrating any of the three lines of defences
source this
11 months ago
Anonymous
Where is the breach in Russian prepared defences? Why can't you say where?
11 months ago
Anonymous
That’s just a picture of a map someone drew lines on. And even so that picture illustrates that Russia hasn’t been able to take more than 5% of Ukraine in a year and a half. NATO support is really hurting Russia
11 months ago
Anonymous
oo oo aa aa
11 months ago
Anonymous
pyatikhatki was on the first line of defence according to russian troops fighting there which is why they tried counterattacking for it so fiercely >The battle for Pyatikhatki has been activated. Significant reserves are being drawn up from our side to this sector of the front. At the moment, the settlement is a gray zone.
>Many people ask why we defend this piece of land so much. Pyatikhatki is the first line of defense, the breakthrough of which opens up a denouement and access to Melitopol - the main goal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But vatnik friends told me this wasn’t happening.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Crumple zone status?
11 months ago
Anonymous
roughly >inb4 it's not on the map so didn't happen
11 months ago
Anonymous
There has been fighting there for 3 weeks, nothing major has happened in terms of territory gained or lost.
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm definitely not there.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>posts unobserved AT ditches as though they're MDPs
Lmao, get out of here nogunz neverserved.
You can't, he won't be able to show you a breach in Russian lines on a map either. Ukraines counter offensive has flopped, all they managed to take were some literally who towns that weren't even behind the Russian defences. Bradley and 47th have been at the front of that failure, too busy driving over and standing on mines.
Not even Russian, I want them to lose so I can keep fricking twinks for fun. But I'm not so emotionally invested that I'm blind to Ukraine failing to take ground.
>Ukraines counter offensive has flopped, all they managed to take were some literally who towns that weren't even behind the Russian defences.
I'm having vietnam-like flashbacks to Kherson.
Why the frick were Russians defending some literally who towns that are in front of their defenses?
That’s just a picture of a map someone drew lines on. And even so that picture illustrates that Russia hasn’t been able to take more than 5% of Ukraine in a year and a half. NATO support is really hurting Russia
The funniest part is that the Kyiv push got BTFO before any of the big lend-lease was even being considered. It's mostly Russia hurting Russia, kek
>Why the frick were Russians defending some literally who towns that are in front of their defenses?
Defence in depth, delay and bleed enemy strength from every terrain feature that allows.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Defense in depth starts at the first line of defense. You don't defend in front of your defensive line, that doesn't even make sense
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nope, it starts well ahead, go read a book. Why do you think so many cold war recon forces had ATGM's?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh so they were reconning a village on their own side of the frontline?
It's okay that your magic first line of defense always keeps moving back anon, that's just a coping mechanism. It's exceedingly moronic to claim that defense in depth includes operations in front of your defensive line though. That would make the lines completely pointless
11 months ago
Anonymous
They haven't moved at all, you seem to be using front line and first line of defence interchangeably, they aren't the same thing. You can defend locations behind the front line without it being a prepared defensive line.
Ukraine hasn't breached a single prepared defensive line - mines, wire, obstacles, AT ditch, trenches.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So those minefields they went past weren't part of the minefields that are the first defensive line
Kind of a shitty tactic to set up your first defensive line kilometers behind the frontline
11 months ago
Anonymous
>So those minefields
Read the post you're replying again, slowly
11 months ago
Anonymous
These defences are like 30km deep in places. Crossing a minefield doesn't mean you're through, it means you've spent time in an area where Russia intended so they can use artillery and attack helicopters on you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
huge projection. Those disabled Bradley’s that were recovered should have been destroyed by artillery within hours but weren’t thanks to HIMARS counter battery fire
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes they should have. How that changes Bradley failing to breach Russian defensive lines I don't know.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon Russian lines have been breached. You’ve lost the argument
https://i.imgur.com/1HmOMM8.png
This does not align at all with what Russians are reporting on the ground. Interesting
https://i.imgur.com/J1AVOP3.png
Oh, not to mention that Ukies have a solid foothold over the dniper now so...
11 months ago
Anonymous
>minefield
What minefield? >We were told to hold position, as before us lay 2 kilometers of minefields and that the enemy shall come from another direction, making everything be under control. >Sometime on the night of the 26th june, our positions started getting accurately dismantled from enemy heavy artillery, you literally could not put your head up for 3 days. We were begging for aid, our artillery was silent, an SU flew by one time and bombed the approximate enemy positions. We had no communication with command. For the entire time, our orders were to stay. >One day prior, however, our recon reported that the enemy is preparing to storm us, but before that we found out that, actually, there was no minefield, and by that point, all communications with command have ceased. A decision was taken to move back to a 2nd line of defense because we literally had nothing to hold anymore and we had nothing to hold it with and only less than half of personnel remained in our ranks. >t. russian marines
11 months ago
Anonymous
If we don't have a minefield, our infantry is to defend exactly as if it were there
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/Jm72ScB.png
oo oo aa aa
11 months ago
Anonymous
>fortifications on the current frontline do not count as defences >its always the defences behind those that are the first line of defence
11 months ago
Anonymous
Haven't some Russians been complaining that they're just wasting manpower sitting in arty fire and counterattacking in the open after they lose the positions?
It's like someone had the good idea to have enough depth to make the Ukies bleed if they try to punch through, but then somewhere along the way the orders changed into "not one step backwards".
11 months ago
Anonymous
defence in depth apparently means losing a position and then dying trying to desperately regain it
11 months ago
Anonymous
You have no fricking idea how defence in depth works. The "depth" part means you allow the enemy to enter the depth of your grouping (preferably bypassing your strongpoints, but their destruction is acceptable) and then counterattack and destroy their entire combat power.
Russians are counterattacking because they don't have any depth, their supply lines are threatened with direct fire if Ukrainians advance as little as 8-10km in certain sectors, and their second and third line is basically thinly-manned backup trenches to counterattack from and command posts/artillery posts.
There's nothing elastic about the Russian setup, it's very rigid and they are stubbornly defending in place, to the point that the Ukrainian go-to tactic has been to take some ground, dig in, and then bleed the enemy counterattacks.
Russians are defending so well that their defending troops are getting ambushed and slaughtered by the attackers. Think what that means for a moment, you fricking moron.
There'a video of a 47th brigade soldier sleeping on a dead Russian in said Russians trench only to get up and kill more Russians in a different trench next day.
>20 Inch ARs as Stoner intended >manlet humping the M249 w/200 round hardcase as God intended
I wish the Bradleys we sent had the CITV, and the guns probably have ~~*government*~~ profile barrels, but otherwise this is quite nice to see. A very solid 7 out of 10
It’s almost identically to the stinger forcing the Soviets out of afghanistan. The Soviet Union collapsed shortly thereafter so it’s not looking good for modern day Russia
where has Bradley been denied access behind the defenses? We’ve seen Bradleys encounter a minefield. We’ve seen that area later under ukranian control. We haven’t seen anything from the Russian side about retaining ground.
Ukraine-1
Russian-0
That’s it? Bradley is absolutely killing being the backbone of Ukrainian forces. I’ve never seen an IFV praised by its troops so highly before. I guess that’s what excellent crew survivability does
They released a video of them making meaningful gains and the Bradleys were taken off the field. And since they aren't soviet junk and weren't taken out by artillery (because Ukrainians have a massive artillery advantage), they will be back in action in a few weeks.
Once again, there's a video of a 47th soldier sleeping on a dead Russian in said Russian's trench, and then moving on to kill more Russians.
Ukies are literally using your meatbags for pillows, pidor.
For the third and final time, I'm not Russian and I want them to lose. Please show me where Bradley has breached the first defensive line, because we both know that it hasn't.
>casually recovers bradleys without being hit by artillery
its been breached, because if it wasn't, they would've been hit by artillery while recovering the vehicles. the russians ran away far enough that everyone is taking their time to recover the vehicles kek.
also see
https://i.imgur.com/1HmOMM8.png
This does not align at all with what Russians are reporting on the ground. Interesting
https://i.imgur.com/J1AVOP3.png
Oh, not to mention that Ukies have a solid foothold over the dniper now so...
>Russian defence lines already crumbling and ukrainians using russian dead as pillows >repeats himself like a women without refuting any points
you morons have so much faith in that Russia won't fail again after failing so many times lmao. You do realize that those defence lines are just ditches right? Since Russians haven't destroyed a single himars their shitty logistics will be picked apart until another inevitable collapse.
For the third and final time, I'm not Russian and I want them to lose. Please show me where Bradley has breached the first defensive line, because we both know that it hasn't.
[...] >Russian defence lines already crumbling and ukrainians using russian dead as pillows >repeats himself like a women without refuting any points
you morons have so much faith in that Russia won't fail again after failing so many times lmao. You do realize that those defence lines are just ditches right? Since Russians haven't destroyed a single himars their shitty logistics will be picked apart until another inevitable collapse.
It's funny cuz that meme map is now no longer accurate. Ukranians have taken back those 2 red areas + a lot more south lel
Shitty, probably why they got BTFO
Wait when did they get BTFO? They were making gains just yesterday
They haven't made any significant gains. At no point over the front line has the first line of defences been breached, the Russians are playing defence in depth and there are two further lines that are untouched.
47th has flopped at breaching. Sorry if you had some kind of emotional attachment to it.
It seems like you’re emotionally attatched. You went and claimed they got BTFO and then couldn’t elaborate on your follow on post.
Sorry is it not common knowlege that they failed in their assault? There's a photos of them sitting in a Russian minefield all over the place. What do you call a failed assault?
How can you argue a photo of less than 5 destroyed vehicles that was reposted a lot equates to failing the counteroffensive. We know Ukraine has that ground now because we saw them leisurely recovering those damaged Bradleys. The real failure is russias inability to destroy mobility killed IFVs with accurate artillery fire
>How can you argue a photo of less than 5 destroyed vehicles that was reposted a lot equates to failing the counteroffensive.
That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that they have failed because they haven't breached a single lone of Russias layered defences.
>I'm arguing that they have failed because they haven't breached a single lone of Russias layered defences.
Why would you argue that. Can you point out russias unmolested lines please.
>Being asked for proof
>"Lol no I'm not gonna do it, YOU should do it instead"
Impressive, so this is the true power of estrogen-addled nafoid shills
This does not align at all with what Russians are reporting on the ground. Interesting
Oh, not to mention that Ukies have a solid foothold over the dniper now so...
>solid foothold over the dniper
70 guys lol
300 apparently these days. Again, RU sources, since ukies are keeping quiet about it
source: trust me bro
As opposed to trust me that the lines haven’t been breach. kek you just got BTFO
Russian sources, as I said.
PS: 57th is not in the first line of defence, how did they get there, unless something bad happened?
Clearly they've been promoted to crumple zone duty
May we see this "russian source"?
It's from Khodakovsky
It doesn’t count after the first line of defense was breached we moved it back so it hasn’t been breached yet
Seeing first line of defense soldiers surrendering is proof that Ukraine broke the first line of defense. Thank you to these 2 posters
Does that mean every unit that Russia too prisoners from no longer exists? Or have you never heard of troops getting cut off?
The US managed to get plenty of people captured by Iraq in 1991 - and I'm not talking about pilots.
It means you’re floundering and have yet to prove your claim that the first line of defense hasn’t been breached. The Bradley and its infantry are single-handedly raping Russian lines.
The Ukrainians haven't crossed a single line of Russian prepared defences. You can literally see where they are on satilite pictures. I posted a map that charts them with the forces location's frome today. Everything else has been you trying to cope your way out of Bradley failing in every breach it has attempted.
The more emotionally invested you get the less able you are to see the Ukrainians flopping.
Post the map without AT ditches as solid lines. I dare you.
I don’t care about your time wasting task. You’ve just been BTFO
>He doesn't know that the "lines of defence" are actually just AT ditches and the Russians have no tactical depth
Cope and seethe. Russia will withdraw in shame to pre 2014 borders. The only question is whether Putin will be dragged into the street and bayonetted in the ass first. Russia will be lucky to keep Rostov and access to the Black Sea when this is all over.
I don't make the maps, war mapper do and have been by far the most neutral in their coverage.
>https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1675479300168925185?t=lYpm_THbo1Rt5AsJ_W7f8A&s=19
>At no point over the front line has the first line of defences been breached
>they haven't breached a single lone of Russias layered defences
Russians are reporting otherwise
>the Russians are playing defence in depth
No, they don't. At utter most you can call "elastic defence", where they desperately spam counter-attacks and burn their reserves in order to attempt to regain the lost ground, despite failing over and over. You know why they do it? Because unlike you they understand how useless their
>two further lines
are, due to logistical hassle of that area once Ukrainians get closer there.
>defence in depth
>keep sending reserves to reinforce the first line
>blocking detachments shooting at your own retreating troops
>At no point over the front line has the first line of defences been breached
Anon, I don't know how to tell you, but they've already breached the second line in some places.
>in some places.
Where? Can I see it?
>started claiming the first line hasn’t been reached
>were at the point where they are fervently arguing that the second line hasn’t been reached
holy shit Russians giving up as much ground in /k/ arguments as they do in real life
Me calling you out for lying isn't me arguing. You can claim whatever you want. But the first line of prepared defences hasn't been breached, Bradley has flopped.
You really come off as a complete moron, fyi
Your opinions doesn't matter, Ukraine not making progress matters. Bradley and 47th haven't made any ground. Probably time to let the more elite forces take over.
If Ukraine isn't making progress, why the frick are Russian telegram bloggers crying about it?
Bradley really bradbroke the guy. He’s overdosing on copium
Can you show me any evidence of Bradley breaching a Russian defensively position? I've been asking all thread.
You’ve got it already. The infamous picture of broken Bradleys and then the leasurely recovery from a once defended area
If a man dies in no man's land and his body is recovered did he make it past the opponents trench?
>most praised IFV to ever see combat
kek keep letting us know just how mad the Bradley makes you
Yet it can't breach a Russian defensive line and has become a meme for its hilariously bad failed attack a few weeks ago.
Lines already been breached and a picture of 3 killed vehicles won’t stop Russia from retreating
The Bradley and the 47th is by far the best unit Ukraine has.
You didn't watch them jumping out of vehicles onto mines did you?
I saw one video of an infantryman stepping on a mine what does that have to do with anything
>an infantryman
He hasn't seen it lol. It's like 6 guys all standing on different mines. Here's your elite 47th bro
>https://twitter.com/FunkerActual/status/1673382294340661249?t=IW7yqYjCLNLbPgpzwNuXQg&s=19
They are elite because they’re fricking up russian lines so bad. Individual troops stepping on mines isn’t relevant at all.
>they’re fricking up russian lines so bad.
*mines
>steps on landmine and losses foot
>immediately applies tourniquet and retreats to safety in a nearby Bradley.
If he was Russian, his "comrades" would have looted him then left him for dead.
Which one is the second best? At this rate it'll become the new best very soon.
First best is the Bradley in Ukraine, second best would be the other 6700 in the US
Are you expecting me to post a rybar map with it marked or something? There's an interview with polish volunteer medic, who's doing medevac in Zaporozhe, where he says that they're currently working between the first and second line, but second line has been shallowly breached in some places already.
?t=2547
Other interesting things he says are:
>russians fighting there are well motivated and equipped units
>russian airforce is much less active than it was in Bakhmut (where he also served as a medic with UA SOF for almost an entire duration of the battle there)
>there's roughly a parity in artillery between both sides, Ukrainian withdrawals have been saved by counter battery fire on multiple occasions
>Ukrainians are very well organized from the medical point of view; it's much better than a year ago and it's obvious that a lot of thought went into it
This is more than anything russia has to offer. So first line is breached completely and second is being assaulted in places. Russia is losing pretty bad
Two things I want to also point out:
>this guy is very reliable and he's always avoided any drama, never said anything he wasn't sure about; even in the interview he criticizes polish OSINT community for how they were reporting about prigozyn
>he's probably giving info that's already a few days old; there was another, more direct question about the chances of breaching the frontlines, where he says that he can't talk about it and redirects the question into talking about how more western equipment is needed etc.
They're the ones that lost the famously reposted Bradleys and were also the subjects of that minefield video. Not surprising considering they're the tip of the spear, but they're gonna be a pretty chewed up brigade when all is said and done
Yea I remember when those 3 vehicles were destroyed. Luckily Ukraine gained that land as we saw in the Bradley recovery video. How exactly does that translate to the unit being BTFO
You gained 100m without penetrating any of the three lines of defences. WW1 tier victory bro.
>without penetrating any of the three lines of defences
source this
Where is the breach in Russian prepared defences? Why can't you say where?
That’s just a picture of a map someone drew lines on. And even so that picture illustrates that Russia hasn’t been able to take more than 5% of Ukraine in a year and a half. NATO support is really hurting Russia
oo oo aa aa
pyatikhatki was on the first line of defence according to russian troops fighting there which is why they tried counterattacking for it so fiercely
>The battle for Pyatikhatki has been activated. Significant reserves are being drawn up from our side to this sector of the front. At the moment, the settlement is a gray zone.
>Many people ask why we defend this piece of land so much. Pyatikhatki is the first line of defense, the breakthrough of which opens up a denouement and access to Melitopol - the main goal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
But vatnik friends told me this wasn’t happening.
Crumple zone status?
roughly
>inb4 it's not on the map so didn't happen
There has been fighting there for 3 weeks, nothing major has happened in terms of territory gained or lost.
I'm definitely not there.
>posts unobserved AT ditches as though they're MDPs
Lmao, get out of here nogunz neverserved.
>wait when did they get BTFO?
Inside his delusional coping mechanisms. A very dangerous place for anyone hoping to defend Western Civilization.
>They were making gains just yesterday
May we see these gains?
You can't, he won't be able to show you a breach in Russian lines on a map either. Ukraines counter offensive has flopped, all they managed to take were some literally who towns that weren't even behind the Russian defences. Bradley and 47th have been at the front of that failure, too busy driving over and standing on mines.
>w…we didn’t want that land we lost anyway
this is 500 days into the 3 day special military operation
Not even Russian, I want them to lose so I can keep fricking twinks for fun. But I'm not so emotionally invested that I'm blind to Ukraine failing to take ground.
Least gay zigger
>Ukraines counter offensive has flopped, all they managed to take were some literally who towns that weren't even behind the Russian defences.
I'm having vietnam-like flashbacks to Kherson.
Why the frick were Russians defending some literally who towns that are in front of their defenses?
The funniest part is that the Kyiv push got BTFO before any of the big lend-lease was even being considered. It's mostly Russia hurting Russia, kek
>Why the frick were Russians defending some literally who towns that are in front of their defenses?
Defence in depth, delay and bleed enemy strength from every terrain feature that allows.
Defense in depth starts at the first line of defense. You don't defend in front of your defensive line, that doesn't even make sense
Nope, it starts well ahead, go read a book. Why do you think so many cold war recon forces had ATGM's?
Oh so they were reconning a village on their own side of the frontline?
It's okay that your magic first line of defense always keeps moving back anon, that's just a coping mechanism. It's exceedingly moronic to claim that defense in depth includes operations in front of your defensive line though. That would make the lines completely pointless
They haven't moved at all, you seem to be using front line and first line of defence interchangeably, they aren't the same thing. You can defend locations behind the front line without it being a prepared defensive line.
Ukraine hasn't breached a single prepared defensive line - mines, wire, obstacles, AT ditch, trenches.
So those minefields they went past weren't part of the minefields that are the first defensive line
Kind of a shitty tactic to set up your first defensive line kilometers behind the frontline
>So those minefields
Read the post you're replying again, slowly
These defences are like 30km deep in places. Crossing a minefield doesn't mean you're through, it means you've spent time in an area where Russia intended so they can use artillery and attack helicopters on you.
huge projection. Those disabled Bradley’s that were recovered should have been destroyed by artillery within hours but weren’t thanks to HIMARS counter battery fire
Yes they should have. How that changes Bradley failing to breach Russian defensive lines I don't know.
Anon Russian lines have been breached. You’ve lost the argument
>minefield
What minefield?
>We were told to hold position, as before us lay 2 kilometers of minefields and that the enemy shall come from another direction, making everything be under control.
>Sometime on the night of the 26th june, our positions started getting accurately dismantled from enemy heavy artillery, you literally could not put your head up for 3 days. We were begging for aid, our artillery was silent, an SU flew by one time and bombed the approximate enemy positions. We had no communication with command. For the entire time, our orders were to stay.
>One day prior, however, our recon reported that the enemy is preparing to storm us, but before that we found out that, actually, there was no minefield, and by that point, all communications with command have ceased. A decision was taken to move back to a 2nd line of defense because we literally had nothing to hold anymore and we had nothing to hold it with and only less than half of personnel remained in our ranks.
>t. russian marines
If we don't have a minefield, our infantry is to defend exactly as if it were there
>fortifications on the current frontline do not count as defences
>its always the defences behind those that are the first line of defence
Haven't some Russians been complaining that they're just wasting manpower sitting in arty fire and counterattacking in the open after they lose the positions?
It's like someone had the good idea to have enough depth to make the Ukies bleed if they try to punch through, but then somewhere along the way the orders changed into "not one step backwards".
defence in depth apparently means losing a position and then dying trying to desperately regain it
You have no fricking idea how defence in depth works. The "depth" part means you allow the enemy to enter the depth of your grouping (preferably bypassing your strongpoints, but their destruction is acceptable) and then counterattack and destroy their entire combat power.
Russians are counterattacking because they don't have any depth, their supply lines are threatened with direct fire if Ukrainians advance as little as 8-10km in certain sectors, and their second and third line is basically thinly-manned backup trenches to counterattack from and command posts/artillery posts.
There's nothing elastic about the Russian setup, it's very rigid and they are stubbornly defending in place, to the point that the Ukrainian go-to tactic has been to take some ground, dig in, and then bleed the enemy counterattacks.
Russians are defending so well that their defending troops are getting ambushed and slaughtered by the attackers. Think what that means for a moment, you fricking moron.
go on sirs, post the three week old photo
There'a video of a 47th brigade soldier sleeping on a dead Russian in said Russians trench only to get up and kill more Russians in a different trench next day.
Yeah, they're getting BTFO alright.
God I love the 47th and its infantryman. That trench kino they posted was insane
Kek.
This. Most underwhelming brigade so far, they're basically territorial defence tier with nicer toys.
Based and built for penetrating mobik defensive lines.
>20 Inch ARs as Stoner intended
>manlet humping the M249 w/200 round hardcase as God intended
I wish the Bradleys we sent had the CITV, and the guns probably have ~~*government*~~ profile barrels, but otherwise this is quite nice to see. A very solid 7 out of 10
Pretty good. I wonder if the US included the rifles and optics with the brads.
Soon to be 47th armored.
Fricking stinks of curry in here
The patriot system was seen as a bad system just 6 months ago. Now it is 14-0 against Russian hypersonic missiles
HIMARS had a major effect on the Russian war effort. Rarely have we seen small amounts of one system completely change the tide of a war
It’s almost identically to the stinger forcing the Soviets out of afghanistan. The Soviet Union collapsed shortly thereafter so it’s not looking good for modern day Russia
Ukraine has now taken Sneed's Feed and Seed
Chuck won
%3D
They post good footage
>people itt can't tell the difference between "being engaged" and "breached"
color me surprised, i expected more from salaried government employees
Point out the source that proves they are only being engaged and not breached. Your losing this argument pretty handily
So where has Bradley breached Russian prepared defences?
where has Bradley been denied access behind the defenses? We’ve seen Bradleys encounter a minefield. We’ve seen that area later under ukranian control. We haven’t seen anything from the Russian side about retaining ground.
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The Ukrainians retrieved those Bradleys very recently. That area is definitely still under their control
They released the video very recently. They were likely retrieved before yesterday
Not before the Russians got to play on a Bradley jungle gym
Should have killed them instead of playing on them and then letting them be recovered. Really bad strategy for Russia
Yes it is, but like I said, I want Russia to lose so I dunno why you think that's a reply that matters to me.
RTS unit looking homies.
In 20-30 years when power armor becomes a thing will they look like fricking Space Marines or something?
20 in AR enjoyers can’t stop winning
47th sucks so much ass, it's unreal
Only 11 destroyed that’s pretty great for heavy conventional combat. The bmp is at like 2000 destroyed
That’s it? Bradley is absolutely killing being the backbone of Ukrainian forces. I’ve never seen an IFV praised by its troops so highly before. I guess that’s what excellent crew survivability does
>single digit amount of people died in this instance!!
>please let me use it as cope for the next 4 months
kek no
digit amount of people died in this instance!!
source or you mom will die in her sleep
Show me the dead count for this incident.
>inb4 he posts 3 burnt Bradleys and a couple with thrown tracks that get recovered on video
they all take loads to the face
Man, they really mustn't teach English very well in Uttar Pradesh.
25 Bradley’s is an oryx quote. Only 11 destroyed. That’s next to nothing
>I can’t read beyond a single sentence
You’re a Black person.
They released a video of them making meaningful gains and the Bradleys were taken off the field. And since they aren't soviet junk and weren't taken out by artillery (because Ukrainians have a massive artillery advantage), they will be back in action in a few weeks.
Once again, there's a video of a 47th soldier sleeping on a dead Russian in said Russian's trench, and then moving on to kill more Russians.
Ukies are literally using your meatbags for pillows, pidor.
For the third and final time, I'm not Russian and I want them to lose. Please show me where Bradley has breached the first defensive line, because we both know that it hasn't.
>casually recovers bradleys without being hit by artillery
its been breached, because if it wasn't, they would've been hit by artillery while recovering the vehicles. the russians ran away far enough that everyone is taking their time to recover the vehicles kek.
also see
>Russian defence lines already crumbling and ukrainians using russian dead as pillows
>repeats himself like a women without refuting any points
you morons have so much faith in that Russia won't fail again after failing so many times lmao. You do realize that those defence lines are just ditches right? Since Russians haven't destroyed a single himars their shitty logistics will be picked apart until another inevitable collapse.
See
>Rate the loadouts of the 47th mechanized brigade
M4/16
It's funny cuz that meme map is now no longer accurate. Ukranians have taken back those 2 red areas + a lot more south lel