Israel has no operational depth and is run by short-sighted morons who didn't spend the last 20 years developing civilian and military infrastructure redundancies.
When you literally have 3 meaningful ports and 1 meaningful international air port, it does not take a lot to hobble your logistics.
I’m Israeli and you’re quite right about the first part, our gubmint right now is massively incompetent and the only reason we’re here is the strong civil society in the country.
But also we’re super small and there’s not much space to put more naval ports and airports
Several STEM /k/ommando nerds make ballistic missiles using smartphones and washing machine parts making all world MAD. Its a pure /k/ommando fantasy, Except they are on the other side of teh barricades (they preach apparently wrong desert book) so /k/ hates them.
Nah. Building cruise missiles in your back yard is not the same as being a nation state that can only build cruise missiles that a /k/ommando could build in their back yard.
Nah, (you) did. Iran gets mocked for things we'd praise a /k/ommando for because the expectations for a nation state are higher and Iran falls below the bar for mockery.
>because the expectations for a nation state are higher and Iran
Anon, expectation for average nation state that they don't make ballistic missiles. 90% of the countries don't make them.
Notorious Iraq didn't make ballistic missiles, they bought notorious SCUD missiles (remember those?) from USSR and they were complete trash with miles size CEP. USSR themselves only started to make precision long range ballistic missiles with Iskander missile which got DSMAC seeker in 90s.
Point of that guy was technology progressed so fast that capabilities just recently reserved only fir big scary Russians became COTS tech available everywhere and impossible to sanction and control, so just any guy can start building precision guidance missiles in his shed (or any 3rd wold shithole).
We'll see how "well" they're "working" once we see aftermath photos that show that they hit a lot of dirt and sand and not a lot of assets and hangers.
From listening to Arms Control Wonk and other sources: better than you would expect and in comparison to similar economies, their neighbours. Given the sanctions, you could probably do much worse. Granted, they have received a lot of help from the [Best] Koreans. Countdown until a yid sockpuppet calls me brown for posting a measured reply from my porcelain throne.
If Iran is a joke you should let Israel (a nuclear power and a combat ready country) deal with them. Alone.
Americans, you are ok. Don't let Israel to sacrifice your people in the middle east for their profit and protection (again).
Yes. They really do.
Twitter is ripe with "You couldn't even beat the Taliban how can you invade Iran????" style of takes.
Nobody said "invasion" on this thread. Not me at least.
US didn't invade Syria and Americans have a few bases in the north of the country just because Israel was threatened by le evil Assad. Some died too. Those men didn't deserve to die for Israel.
That's what I mean.
Americans, just let Israel deal with their problems. They are a nuclear country, with a militarized society. Let them send their troops, ships and planes. Nukes even. Stop being their dogs.
Yes, and not without basis, because senators, congressmen and presidential candidates regularly agitate for it. Generally its not in the interests of the administration to escalate, but the expectation of thirdies is that one day it will be, and they're probably right. I think if the US takes a swing to the neocon right in 2028 then an Iran invasion can be practically guaranteed for moronic biblical reasons.
Do the neocons have much chance of that, though? I know they still have a lot of behind the scenes influence but they're electoral poison to both parties bases.
Just look at Fox news today and they are effectively saying that they will jump in to defend Israel if things escaltevwn a bit.
Biden confirmed ironclad support for Israel likely they won't get involved in the strike that Israel will soon do but rest assured Israel will try to escalate even further and Iranian leaders are stupid enough to go along with it effectively giving the possibility for Israel to drag the US into the conflict.
Don't forget you guys already got roped in for bombing the Houtis in Israel place.
Personally I don't expect boots on the ground, Israel already got the US to do that in Iraq and it was such a mess that it should keep the US away from such a plan, but an air campaign is definitely on the table.
Yeah and there are people out there falling for it.
Had coworkers genuinely passing around the thought that they might even roll out a draft.
It's just another "IT'S HAPPENING!" hype phase, give it a couple days and it'll blow over.
There's minimal risk to US lives beyond the tiny deployments we have in Iraq and Syria. But the entire Persian Gulf, Iran's economic lifeline, is open for the bombing. >for their profit
Glassing Iran is to the profit of the human race.
>Glassing Iran is to the profit of the human race.
If you care about human profit letting Iran and Israel deleting each other would be a bigger profit overall.
The Israelis generally play ball. The Iranians are looking to overthrow the US-led regional order, have copious amounts of American blood on their hands, and are now sending drones to Russia for their shambolic SMO.
Anything that helps Israel (or anyone) blow the shit out of the Ayatollahs is a win.
Bro what the frick are you talking about? Iran directly funded and armed insurgents in iraq for a decade plus, and still do to this day even though they are getting BTFO of the government.
Frick em.
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>the Iranians helped a country bordering their own country defend against a invasion from a foreign power from thousands of miles away >this makes them the badies
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Good to know we're on the same page. That must be why they sent weapons to the Taliban too.
What's the principled humanitarian cause for Iran sheltering AQ?
1 month ago
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The Talichads are freedom fighters that were resisting a foreign occupation and won
>What's the principled humanitarian cause for the US creating Al-Quida in the first place?
1 month ago
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>freedom fighters that were resisting a foreign occupation
They'd have fewer foreign occupations if they stopped blowing up things in foreign countries.
I feel like a lot of the problems in the middle east could be solved if there were fewer death cults in power hell bent on picking fights with much more capable foreign powers.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>we din do nuffin
Your like a woman that never takes accountability for anything
>supporting existing groups = creating them
Brownoid spotted.
Not an argument
1 month ago
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>Your like a woman that never takes accountability for anything >It's YOUR fault we keep chimping out and you should just let us kill your people without consequence over not letting us kill your allies!
This is why people keep occupying you for decades at a time.
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>supporting existing groups = creating them
Brownoid spotted.
I don't exactly favor israelites due to their ill history with us but it's not like losing them would do anyone favors given their massive plastics, technology, and even weapons industries
I wish this was an option but without direct democracy all it takes is both parties agreeing to help Israel and we'll help Israel no matter how little public support there is.
The best part about this piece was that they missed the point.
No one really gave a shit about civilian casualties, after 01, every sandbox war was a vulgar "WELL FRICK YOU TOO" until the end of the decade for the public, when the afterglow wore off and everyone kinda realized that the entire region had more or less been bombed into the stone age and the civilized world tried the whole "reconstruction" thing to limited levels of success.
Israel would have glassed Iran ten years ago if it wasn't for the US intervening. Non-intervention being what many of us support. This is your fight, you're right, but you don't know what you are asking for.
That thing can’t be real. Is it fueled up, primed, programmed and then loaded on the rail via crane for firing? Do they just set it up like that and let it sit for how ever many months / years until it needs maintenance? How does the missile leave the rail with those retention rings on — is there a skid that flies off with it or something? Will the big civiliian truck cab windshield be okay with eating a direct face-full of rocket exhaust? I’m sure the crew would be inside the trailer during launch but would they still have a working truck afterwards? Can that modded trailer roof handle the weight of what looks to be a several tons (are we sure that just isn’t just a prop)? Basically…is this a real or even represent a real weapon system or is it just a low-effort prop some Iranian collage students created for infowar purposes?
Now that I think about it — I wonder if these types of shitty props isn’t to fool the world, but just to have something to show the senile religious leadership as proof of great and powerful works of Islamic budget at work? Iran is famously super-corrupt it wouldn’t surprise me.
>Is it fueled up, primed, programmed and then loaded on the rail via crane for firing?
Probably, that's how most missiles get on their TEL. But in this case the missile is solid fuelled, it comes fuelled from the factory. >Do they just set it up like that and let it sit for how ever many months / years until it needs maintenance?
Usually not, the missiles are kept in warehouses where they are maintained and loaded on launchers if or when they are needed. >How does the missile leave the rail with those retention rings on
It doesn't, they would be removed before firing. >Will the big civiliian truck cab windshield be okay with eating a direct face-full of rocket exhaust?
Probably, SRBM TELs have regular windows >is this a real or even represent a real weapon system
Yes, maybe? It's a Fateh 110 on its launcher. This specific launch vehicle has not been seen much, all the photos are seemingly from the same parade. Pic rel is the same system different launcher, same principle. Fateh 110 is old as far as Iranian systems go and this TEL is probably an early model. Most of the photos you see online are of a different 6x6 truck, or an 8x8 with a double launcher.
Even with all the sanctions (it's not a blanket sanction like what the iraqi or norks suffered but it's pretty damn close) they're still able to produce ballistic missile and rocket tech programme that is superior than probably anyone outside of the nuclear 5. They even shit on countries like India who had technical support from russia, the UK, france and more recently, the US
If they could rid themselves of mossad and CIA moles within the government and military I think they could even do better
moronic. Should have used a stock rolloff truck then made a custom container so the truck acts as a TEL. Every launcher could look exactly like a tarped rolloff container from above.
If your launcher cannot be known as such from a walkaround then it's done right.
The reason why Iran hasn’t been regime-changed by now is because they’re only minor players in geopolitics. They’re relevant, but not very significant. What protects them is that no one besides the U.S. has the power projection to handle anything but small islands. They inflict various annoyances on the U.S. regionally and weaken the project against Russia, but in the end of the day nothing they have or do is worth the US political capital needed to get rid of them. Except for maybe the nuclear program but even that isn’t enough to make the U.S. take action as we saw in North Korea.
Insane posturing out of 10. They're basically a toothless dog. All bark and no bite. I doubt they even have nuclear weapons despite American propaganda saying they're like 90% close since 15+ years. I don't think they'll ever get it.
Spending all that cash on a piece of shit camper with a rocket on it, not spending it on creating the worlds fastest, rocket powered camper >This is why the third world sucks >They aspire to nothing
> this rocket > cheap and very old > Russian sources admit the likely impact point could fall anywhere within an area 2.8 kilometers in depth from range error and 1.8 kilometers in width in azimuth error
Yeah, definetly two-dollar-Luna (aka FROG-3) kino.
Don't think its wise to judge them on this attack. They needed something in retaliation to the embassy bombing and this was the amount both sides could agree on. Yes I know it sounds like I think they could hit better targets if they wanted to.
A fricking joke/10
Israel seems pretty worried. It couldn’t be that funny of a joke.
Israel has no operational depth and is run by short-sighted morons who didn't spend the last 20 years developing civilian and military infrastructure redundancies.
When you literally have 3 meaningful ports and 1 meaningful international air port, it does not take a lot to hobble your logistics.
dont worry, uncle sam is here to wipe there butts yet again
I’m Israeli and you’re quite right about the first part, our gubmint right now is massively incompetent and the only reason we’re here is the strong civil society in the country.
But also we’re super small and there’s not much space to put more naval ports and airports
>Israel
Ohhh noooo goyim, send us more money because uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Israel is also a tiny country that is right next to Iran. It's an entirely different story against Europe or America, Iron Dome or not.
>right next to Iran
And Switzerland is right next to Ukraine.
Damn I didn't know Ukraine was bombing Switzerland
Funny like a clown?
whatever you say stupid red editor
Arguably the joke will be even better once they sell their mediocre missiles to Russia with a 500% markup
Boomer from MIC is very mad.
Several STEM /k/ommando nerds make ballistic missiles using smartphones and washing machine parts making all world MAD. Its a pure /k/ommando fantasy, Except they are on the other side of teh barricades (they preach apparently wrong desert book) so /k/ hates them.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2003/6/5/new-zealander-builds-missile-in-backyard
http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/
Nah. Building cruise missiles in your back yard is not the same as being a nation state that can only build cruise missiles that a /k/ommando could build in their back yard.
you missed guy's point
Nah, (you) did. Iran gets mocked for things we'd praise a /k/ommando for because the expectations for a nation state are higher and Iran falls below the bar for mockery.
>because the expectations for a nation state are higher and Iran
Anon, expectation for average nation state that they don't make ballistic missiles. 90% of the countries don't make them.
Notorious Iraq didn't make ballistic missiles, they bought notorious SCUD missiles (remember those?) from USSR and they were complete trash with miles size CEP. USSR themselves only started to make precision long range ballistic missiles with Iskander missile which got DSMAC seeker in 90s.
Point of that guy was technology progressed so fast that capabilities just recently reserved only fir big scary Russians became COTS tech available everywhere and impossible to sanction and control, so just any guy can start building precision guidance missiles in his shed (or any 3rd wold shithole).
Seems to be working well enough
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1779297524957712465
We'll see how "well" they're "working" once we see aftermath photos that show that they hit a lot of dirt and sand and not a lot of assets and hangers.
Why are they slapping the face of some bearded man all over the place?
It looks like the Iranian equivalent of slapping your waifu over your walls
He’s their holy leader. Similar to Xi and the mandate, the Ayatollah is willed by Muhammad. The people see the Ayatollah’s face as holy.
Yeah, all these old guys look the same to me.
>Yeah, all these old guys look the same to me.
I'd stop noticing things if I were you.
What the frick is the context of that image?
Ever watched Boku no Pico?
better than nothing/10
From listening to Arms Control Wonk and other sources: better than you would expect and in comparison to similar economies, their neighbours. Given the sanctions, you could probably do much worse. Granted, they have received a lot of help from the [Best] Koreans. Countdown until a yid sockpuppet calls me brown for posting a measured reply from my porcelain throne.
you are brown
Those sanctions dont mean shit with the butthole Europeans (looking at you mainly germany) consistently and constantly violates them.
I guess when your definition of a target is "anywhere in Israel" it should be good enough.
no
It's pretty decent all things considered. Nowhere near as far along as the Norks though, Iranian MRBMs are still liquid fuelled.
I really hope that has a 'OVERSIZED LOAD' banner in back
If Iran is a joke you should let Israel (a nuclear power and a combat ready country) deal with them. Alone.
Americans, you are ok. Don't let Israel to sacrifice your people in the middle east for their profit and protection (again).
Israel owns us, we will do as they command.
>us
>invading iran
do browns actually believe this will happen
Yes. They really do.
Twitter is ripe with "You couldn't even beat the Taliban how can you invade Iran????" style of takes.
Nobody said "invasion" on this thread. Not me at least.
US didn't invade Syria and Americans have a few bases in the north of the country just because Israel was threatened by le evil Assad. Some died too. Those men didn't deserve to die for Israel.
That's what I mean.
Americans, just let Israel deal with their problems. They are a nuclear country, with a militarized society. Let them send their troops, ships and planes. Nukes even. Stop being their dogs.
Yes, and not without basis, because senators, congressmen and presidential candidates regularly agitate for it. Generally its not in the interests of the administration to escalate, but the expectation of thirdies is that one day it will be, and they're probably right. I think if the US takes a swing to the neocon right in 2028 then an Iran invasion can be practically guaranteed for moronic biblical reasons.
Do the neocons have much chance of that, though? I know they still have a lot of behind the scenes influence but they're electoral poison to both parties bases.
Just look at Fox news today and they are effectively saying that they will jump in to defend Israel if things escaltevwn a bit.
Biden confirmed ironclad support for Israel likely they won't get involved in the strike that Israel will soon do but rest assured Israel will try to escalate even further and Iranian leaders are stupid enough to go along with it effectively giving the possibility for Israel to drag the US into the conflict.
Don't forget you guys already got roped in for bombing the Houtis in Israel place.
Personally I don't expect boots on the ground, Israel already got the US to do that in Iraq and it was such a mess that it should keep the US away from such a plan, but an air campaign is definitely on the table.
Yeah and there are people out there falling for it.
Had coworkers genuinely passing around the thought that they might even roll out a draft.
It's just another "IT'S HAPPENING!" hype phase, give it a couple days and it'll blow over.
I agree with this.
Israel should nuke Iran and their client states.
There's minimal risk to US lives beyond the tiny deployments we have in Iraq and Syria. But the entire Persian Gulf, Iran's economic lifeline, is open for the bombing.
>for their profit
Glassing Iran is to the profit of the human race.
>Glassing Iran is to the profit of the human race.
If you care about human profit letting Iran and Israel deleting each other would be a bigger profit overall.
The Israelis generally play ball. The Iranians are looking to overthrow the US-led regional order, have copious amounts of American blood on their hands, and are now sending drones to Russia for their shambolic SMO.
Anything that helps Israel (or anyone) blow the shit out of the Ayatollahs is a win.
Israel killed more US servicemen in the USS Liberty alone.
The frick are you talking about israelite disinformation agent..
Bro what the frick are you talking about? Iran directly funded and armed insurgents in iraq for a decade plus, and still do to this day even though they are getting BTFO of the government.
Frick em.
>the Iranians helped a country bordering their own country defend against a invasion from a foreign power from thousands of miles away
>this makes them the badies
Good to know we're on the same page. That must be why they sent weapons to the Taliban too.
What's the principled humanitarian cause for Iran sheltering AQ?
The Talichads are freedom fighters that were resisting a foreign occupation and won
>What's the principled humanitarian cause for the US creating Al-Quida in the first place?
>freedom fighters that were resisting a foreign occupation
They'd have fewer foreign occupations if they stopped blowing up things in foreign countries.
I feel like a lot of the problems in the middle east could be solved if there were fewer death cults in power hell bent on picking fights with much more capable foreign powers.
>we din do nuffin
Your like a woman that never takes accountability for anything
Not an argument
>Your like a woman that never takes accountability for anything
>It's YOUR fault we keep chimping out and you should just let us kill your people without consequence over not letting us kill your allies!
This is why people keep occupying you for decades at a time.
>supporting existing groups = creating them
Brownoid spotted.
Are you even 18? How don’t you remember Iran handing out guns and IEDs like candy to the Iraqi Shiites?
I don't exactly favor israelites due to their ill history with us but it's not like losing them would do anyone favors given their massive plastics, technology, and even weapons industries
>There's minimal risk to US lives
Oh I get it. You think it's fine to risk people lives as long as it's not you risking your life.
I wish this was an option but without direct democracy all it takes is both parties agreeing to help Israel and we'll help Israel no matter how little public support there is.
>Americans, you are ok. Don't let Israel to sacrifice your people in the middle east for their profit and protection (again).
The best part about this piece was that they missed the point.
No one really gave a shit about civilian casualties, after 01, every sandbox war was a vulgar "WELL FRICK YOU TOO" until the end of the decade for the public, when the afterglow wore off and everyone kinda realized that the entire region had more or less been bombed into the stone age and the civilized world tried the whole "reconstruction" thing to limited levels of success.
I don't mind if americans sacrifice for Israel
I don't think we have a choice, we as people have no say what our government does
Israel would have glassed Iran ten years ago if it wasn't for the US intervening. Non-intervention being what many of us support. This is your fight, you're right, but you don't know what you are asking for.
how is making shit harder for Isreal with all of our wars in the middle east helping them?
>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP BEING IN A POSITION TO EASILY BTFO US
No lol
I hate all Mohammedians and want you all bombed into chunky salsa.
>nodeadbaby/10
I don't think that's a real launcher.
It is. It's an older style though, the newer ones look quite a bit less shitty.
It's pretty obvious that it's a TEL when viewed from the back.
>Transporter-Erector-Launcher-Camper
If somehow I can get my hands on it I will convert it to an RV.
Looks like the windshield would ve blasted in by the rocket exhaust.
You are media i mean engineering illiterate.
Are they launching a missile from that b***h or selling ice cream?
That thing can’t be real. Is it fueled up, primed, programmed and then loaded on the rail via crane for firing? Do they just set it up like that and let it sit for how ever many months / years until it needs maintenance? How does the missile leave the rail with those retention rings on — is there a skid that flies off with it or something? Will the big civiliian truck cab windshield be okay with eating a direct face-full of rocket exhaust? I’m sure the crew would be inside the trailer during launch but would they still have a working truck afterwards? Can that modded trailer roof handle the weight of what looks to be a several tons (are we sure that just isn’t just a prop)? Basically…is this a real or even represent a real weapon system or is it just a low-effort prop some Iranian collage students created for infowar purposes?
Now that I think about it — I wonder if these types of shitty props isn’t to fool the world, but just to have something to show the senile religious leadership as proof of great and powerful works of Islamic budget at work? Iran is famously super-corrupt it wouldn’t surprise me.
>Is it fueled up, primed, programmed and then loaded on the rail via crane for firing?
Probably, that's how most missiles get on their TEL. But in this case the missile is solid fuelled, it comes fuelled from the factory.
>Do they just set it up like that and let it sit for how ever many months / years until it needs maintenance?
Usually not, the missiles are kept in warehouses where they are maintained and loaded on launchers if or when they are needed.
>How does the missile leave the rail with those retention rings on
It doesn't, they would be removed before firing.
>Will the big civiliian truck cab windshield be okay with eating a direct face-full of rocket exhaust?
Probably, SRBM TELs have regular windows
>is this a real or even represent a real weapon system
Yes, maybe? It's a Fateh 110 on its launcher. This specific launch vehicle has not been seen much, all the photos are seemingly from the same parade. Pic rel is the same system different launcher, same principle. Fateh 110 is old as far as Iranian systems go and this TEL is probably an early model. Most of the photos you see online are of a different 6x6 truck, or an 8x8 with a double launcher.
Why is it painted white? Do Iranian not into camo? Sticks out like a sore thumb
i wouldn't underestimate them
I mean, if it works it works.
Seems like the cheapest and most basic shit has proven the most effective in the last 4 years.
They could paint it a fancy color and remove some metal if it made you guys feel better.
Even with all the sanctions (it's not a blanket sanction like what the iraqi or norks suffered but it's pretty damn close) they're still able to produce ballistic missile and rocket tech programme that is superior than probably anyone outside of the nuclear 5. They even shit on countries like India who had technical support from russia, the UK, france and more recently, the US
If they could rid themselves of mossad and CIA moles within the government and military I think they could even do better
Brown
But he's right
moronic. Should have used a stock rolloff truck then made a custom container so the truck acts as a TEL. Every launcher could look exactly like a tarped rolloff container from above.
If your launcher cannot be known as such from a walkaround then it's done right.
put som huge firecraker on mee old shed. slap on som wheels... simpel as
The missiles can make them a nuclear threat to Tel Aviv, nuclear negotiations affect oil prices
The reason why Iran hasn’t been regime-changed by now is because they’re only minor players in geopolitics. They’re relevant, but not very significant. What protects them is that no one besides the U.S. has the power projection to handle anything but small islands. They inflict various annoyances on the U.S. regionally and weaken the project against Russia, but in the end of the day nothing they have or do is worth the US political capital needed to get rid of them. Except for maybe the nuclear program but even that isn’t enough to make the U.S. take action as we saw in North Korea.
>russia invades ukraine
>us: i sleep
>iran threatens isreal
>us: we WILL send troops
Insane posturing out of 10. They're basically a toothless dog. All bark and no bite. I doubt they even have nuclear weapons despite American propaganda saying they're like 90% close since 15+ years. I don't think they'll ever get it.
>tfw you will never own an RV with anti-israelite missiles strapped to it
hey whatever happened to irans "aircraft carrier" slash container ship
I would love it if we just sank the motherfricker. Make it look like an accident, if you have to.
Spending all that cash on a piece of shit camper with a rocket on it, not spending it on creating the worlds fastest, rocket powered camper
>This is why the third world sucks
>They aspire to nothing
depends if it can hit anything and destroy it. it's hard to evaluate a picture
> this rocket
> cheap and very old
> Russian sources admit the likely impact point could fall anywhere within an area 2.8 kilometers in depth from range error and 1.8 kilometers in width in azimuth error
Yeah, definetly two-dollar-Luna (aka FROG-3) kino.
Where can I get an RV with an ICBM on top?
Missiles are impacting right now, so we will see in the morning
Seems to be about 10 out of 100.
That thing reminds me of the "Storymobile" library-on-wheels that used to come to my town when I was little.
Don't think its wise to judge them on this attack. They needed something in retaliation to the embassy bombing and this was the amount both sides could agree on. Yes I know it sounds like I think they could hit better targets if they wanted to.
Yesterday, I would have told you they're legitimately impressive.
Today, not so much.
Considering the continued existence of Israel, pretty fricking shit
Shitty, but considering some of their missiles actually landed in Israel, better than I expected.
7 out of 356