>quoted 50k for a 1200 sqft pole barn not including slab and permits
yeah frick that PrepHole bros what should I do? Anyone build a barn out of junk?
I ain't about to pay no sumbitchin tax
>quoted 50k for a 1200 sqft pole barn not including slab and permits
Well, 50k to do it right. You can mix concrete yourself I guess.
he said not including slab...
also surprise, contractors don't wanna deal with some cheap skate in the middle of nowhere with shitty access to their property
I live in the rural-burbs. Plenty of access and I'm not trying to israelite anybody. I was forthcoming and friendly in seeking my quote, and now that I have determined I can't afford it I have decided to instead endanger myself and my family by building something out of Thunderdome.
Unfortunately I do not know what I'm doing so I need to learn
The majority of contractors are so busy that they've doubled to tripled all of their quotes and are still booked till the end of 2024. The contractor I sub for has a 50k minimum for any kind of project. You could have easily got that done for 15k four years ago. Welcome to the precovid era.
>precovid era
>He doesn't know about the second covid
>The majority of contractors are so busy that they've doubled to tripled all of their quotes and are still booked till the end of 2024.
covid fricked things up so much. fricking homosexual ass boomers got flush from real estate pumping, and exploited PPP and disaster loans. these frickers can afford to speculate on property and let it sit empty. pisses me off so goddamn much.
I live in central indiana surrounded by shithole, and I cant find any fricking business space to save my life. The few spaces I find are boomer landlords that want you to pledge your first born for the pleasure of over paying for there garbage space.
sounds like boomers are living rent free in you head, anon.
boomers are vultures that will pick the corpse of the U.S. clean before they die.
Are the boomers in the room with us right now?
>Are the boomers in the room with us right now?
nice ref, but he won't get it
go figure out what toys to buy in your dying days. I'm sure your children already resent you.
I have no children, so I can afford to buy all my toys while I'm in my prime. That's the whole reason I need to put up a building.
Based. I opted out and have no regrets about not inflicting life (life is suffering) on an innocent I created out of vanity. I can imagine nothing so cruel as reproducing.
you will do exactly the same thing when you get old.
you will and when you do, you won't remember that you thought otherwise.
because when both your parents are dead, you will look at the age they died and your age and think "SHIT I only have that much longer to live!" you will spend the remainder of your life trying to enjoy what you can of it, while stupid children blame you for all the problems of the world.
>you will do exactly the same thing when you get old.
Even if I did i was born without a choice. They had one.
>Even if I did i was born without a choice. They had one.
Cry me a river. I'm 67 and it wasn't the fricking cakewalk all you gaslighters claim it was. I'm not saying you have it easy, but life today can be wonderful if you don't waste it.
A famous boomer once wrote, "life is what happens when you're busy making other plans".
Calm down, you're just going to be excoriated in the history books. Nobody is coming to take your RV.
>A famous boomer
John Lennon was born in 1940 you moronic old homosexual. Not a boomer.
>i was born without a choice
wow, this has never happened before in the history of the world. zoomers truly are the most oppressed and downtrodden gen there has ever been!
>i was born without a choice.
what in the hell am I reading? who gets a choice in their birth? you just went full moron.
They're factually objectively evil. Boomers are going to go down in history as the scum of the earth and it makes you angry because they deserve it.
you are the next boomer, whether you are a zoomer or millennial you are the next to be blamed.
boomers were the original millenials, they were going to change the world, make an impact, end racism, end war, fix everything and then (as happens with every generation) pic related/life happens.
you go to college, you get a career, get married, get a family and one day you realize that "impact" you were going to make, and the world you were going to change, went out the window with just trying to live your life.
you are just as to blame for all the things that you resent.
it's always easy to blame "those people" for your failure, but when it is all said and done.
you failed because of you.
You're kidding right? If I could feed a family of 6 and have 2 cars and a house bagging fricking groceries, you bet your fricking ass i would have rioted during desegregation and passing birthright citizenship and amnesty.
Boomers wanted to have 3 houses and 5 cars so they kept their mouths shut.
Frick em all.
>Boomers wanted to have 3 houses and 5 cars so they kept their mouths shut.
see this right here is what lets me know you're full of shit.
every single boomer I know or have known has 1 house, and 1 car. most have less stuff than their kids. most gave their existence to the success of their children.
you sound black
In 2023, if you want to make enough money to have kids that are not in fricking poverty, you need a "professional" pay level which means you any IRL political activism that is actually revolutionary is out of the question.
Boomers could have kids no problem with any job. That's a fact.
You people were cowards.
For fricks sake, I doubt I could get a job putting apples in boxes if I was doxxed as an evil ethno nationalist.
I "sound black" saying I would have fricking rioted during desegregation?
What the frick? Are you high?
blaming others for your failure confirmed for black
I'm 57 and didn't get my first house till I was 29. It was not the house I wanted. but it was the house I could afford. I lived there 28 years and paid it off early by saving my money and living within my means.
I had student loans and so did the wife. your whining and crying is falling on deaf ears. you get no sympathy from me. those of us that worked our asses off to get where we are know what is what. some day you will know the same.
>duuuuuuuuur all problems are self
Again, really can't wait till you're all dead.
You know, boomer, nobody is stopping you from making some systemic critiques yourself to justify your inaction in the garden of eden.
But I guess your brain doesn't bend that way.
>I'm 57 and didn't get my first house till I was 29.
I'm 48 and didn't own a house until I was 43.
get good
I am 25 and do not know a single person in my extended group of family or friends my age who has a house or kids.
There’s no point raging against boomer morons, their brains are too fried to understand anything new. Idk what you’re up to but the only way to get ahead rn as a young guy is to cut living expenses by living in your truck/car. Wish I was kidding. Also try maxing out credit cards to buy investments then never pay it back, nobody is going to send you to jail just annoying phone calls.
Friendly reminder, gen X hates you too. We aren’t coming to rescue you from whatever group home you will be abandoned upon even if we could.
I am gen x
>it makes you angry because they deserve it.
I'm not him, you seem to be the angry one.
my parents were born just before WWII (1941) they were technically not boomers. Same with my wifes parents.
I'm 57. I grew up after the boomers, and at the very beginning of Gen X.
there was no internet when I was growing up (something you entitled fricks forget).
the fact that people were able to organize at that time is a testament to how much they were trying to make a difference. none of this sitting in mommies basement canceling people who did nothing wrong.
thankfully I never was part of any of that pointless bullshit that backfired.
same as I'm not part of the current bullshit that's going to backfire on the idiots who have no idea what they are doing.
you wanted gay marriage now enjoy your trannies and legal pedophilia.
you wanted higher minimum wages, enjoy your higher prices on everything.
one of the telling things about how much difference there is between boomers and millennials/zoomers.
most boomers worked hard, saved, lived within their means.
millennials and zoomers...
muh video games
muh latest cell phones
muh coffee
muh booze
muh grubhub
muh netflix
muh tiktok
etc.
>he thinks the minimum wage is what caused prices to go up
>muh avocado toast
>let's not talk about wages vs productivity....
You are a certified fricking moron. Really really can't wait till you're all fricking dead and we can finally start having honest discussions about the power process.
To be fair, gay marriage was foisted on the country by “greatest” gen and boomer judges. Millennials had nothing to do with it. That was also the start of changing the meaning of words in order to change the law and bypass that whole messy rule of law thing. And sure, some boomers worked hard, but a lot more didn’t. They all have just been playing Machiavellian numbers games to make sure they get the biggest piece of the pie. And yes the millennials deserve all the derision we can throw at them, but they are still correct that as a social construct, the whole welfare system is a rigged game and they will be the last to benefit from the pyramid scheme.
Self reply here. My bad, meant to imply the boomers will be the last to benefit from welfare, not the millennials. Should be obvious, but internet, so you know why.
Try and eminent domain their asses. Get in good with a city official, convince him that that property is needed for your business, which is for the public good, and have him take it and sell it to you for pennies on the dollar
>precovid
do you know something we dont?
>I have decided to instead endanger myself and my family by building something out of Thunderdome.
Pouty and stupid gets poor results. If you can build you can research. You can do it all legally so no need to be hardheaded which is not something to be proud of.
Build your own form then have the slab poured or divide it such that you can level it yourself. DO NOT assume shit if you've not done this. Do a practice slab for a shed etc first if you're a virgin.
If you do a foundation first you can build the barn then pour the slab later in comfort as I did with my welding shop. I used steel beams for the foundation which was also the form. No expense for throwaway wood and I can weld to the foundation which I've done.
It works nicely. I separated my containers and small Steelmaster but that was optimal as I added High Cubes over time.
Then you'll just have to do it slower or hire help. Your post was stupid so no wonder you're friendless. You need a peer group and suicide will give you a large one. If you want to put up that style building it will go VERY slow single handed so just skip the Steelmaster cover and use containers instead. How to follows next post.
But arent you worried about Jet fuel?
I miss the smell of JP-4 and should have saved a jar for nostalgia. JP-8 is nasty.
I don't worry about jet fuel because it's my friend, but if I had access to drained fuel (which must be disposed of rather than pumped back into aircraft) I'd do what others do and collect it to put in a diesel truck.
^Based and accurate. Failure to lead a versatile, methodically planned, adaptable life is childish therefore stupid.
Helplessness is a choice. Location is a choice. Refusal to use your many real opportunities is a choice. If you don't make it in any society it's because you chose to suck and resent reality instead of surfing it and doing well.
>he said not including slab...
No shit, that's why he said "You can mix concrete yourself I guess"
The reading comprehension on this board....
just imagine bro you could pour the foundation, walls, and ceiling all at once cmon it would be so cool
i will forever be butt hurt that boomers had access to so much wealth and resources they could just sit around thinking up bullshit like this.
Why do you presume that's a boomer design? Concrete pumping including shotcrete is a widely popular current construction method.
Be smart and copy younger people who succeed. There are plenty of them. Do as they do, learn what they learn and kick ass. I've trained plenty of young folks to make money welding, machining and spinning wrenches (volunteering is fun). Many of them (especially pipe welders and machinists) visited bringing pay stubs or I encounter them locally.
get more quotes. That should be under 20K excluding the slab and permits.
Pic related is literally the first ad that I pulled up on searching
Aren't garage doors a couple k themselves? Cant see how this works out, will have to give ole Rex a call in the am
That’s because Rex’s building is framed with metal 2x3’s on probably 24 inch centers. Actually my brother in law built his own 20x20 versatube metal garage. Not bad tbh but it sweated like hell.
Not if you do like my bro and make your own barn door style. Rollup doors are an asspain to install and waste ceiling space.
What he frick do they mean by vertical roof?
If the roof was vertical it would be a wall.
It means that the roofing panels run lengthwise from the ridge down to the eaves. This is as opposed to how cheaper/simpler metal buildings sometimes just have the panels run from gable end to gable end "horizontally"
See pic related for a cheap simple carport with "horizontally" oriented roofing panels. Doing it the horizontal way is more likely to wind up with rain or snow sitting on the roof and probably isn't as great for durability.
Oh yeah, if you built that carport in a really snowy area I doubt it would last a single winter. It would work okay in the South though I guess.
You can see they ran the roofing sheets horizontal tho
"Vertical roof" likely denotes the model with a vertical section between the roof sections
Do this .
Some contractors will highball just because they don't really want the work (ie, they're already busy) but don't want to say no, or they have a very high mobilization cost associated with the work. I had one contractor who wanted $12,000 to install a single patio door (while making a BS claim that the 400 Series Andersen doors they get are better than the 400 Series Andersen doors you can buy from the Depot), while the next guy asked for less than half that.
>quoted 50k for a 1200 sqft pole barn not including slab and permits
that's too high. I see advertisements for bigger barns half that price.
>Rex Odum
Powerful name. A name of power.
>Schmelz
Only sort of related to OP: can you get contractors to do permitless work for you? My city says my shop can only be 1000sqft but I know for a fact my neighbors is 2000
>can you get contractors to do permitless work for you?
It depends on the contractor, but YEEEESSSS you can. You'll find companies doing stuff like
that tell you that getting all the permits is your responsibility. Also, a lot of times companies that work over a large region or who farm out work to local operators are unfamiliar with local code requirements and won't bother to care if you don't hassle them to do so.
No one is going to take permits out to build a shed on a large portion of land unless you live in a turbo cucked blue state.
But they have to tax you more for improving their, I mean your, property.
My city says that too and my neighbors have a bigger shop. You jus have to request for a bigger one and possibly have neighbors sign off on it, and go to a city planning meeting and have it approved. That is what my neighbors did 20 years ago.
That seems pretty high, is he quoting you for a wood barn or steel building? I'm my part of Texas a shop like that should be 20k
I ask because lumber is fricking atrocious rn. I was quoting what was essentially a 3x2x3 chicken coop, and on the low end the materials were close to $300
How? A 2x4 in my area (Western PA) is like $3. You could build a ridiculous chicken coop with 100 2x4's.
2x4s are cheap, but things like a sheet of 1/2 plywood will run you $50, $20 worth of screw, the sheet metal for the roof etc. I kept shit bare bones, with very little extra material and still came out to $250. I could always use cheaper materials but shit would degrade within a year or 2
>a sheet of 1/2 plywood will run you $50
I literally just bought a 4x8 sheet of 1/2" OSB for $14.30. Stuff just must be expensive where you are.
>plywood
>Well i just bought OSB for....
moron
New car prices aren't through the roof right now I just bought a used motorcycle for $300
>slab
such prosperity. In africa people just build walls and walk on dirt. The tribal arabs just cover it up with a bunch of carpets
might as well just make it yourself homosexual. it like 10k in mats max.
What are the dimensions on your build, what kind of access are you looking at? A single garage door and one regular door is going to be much cheaper than a three stall setup. How tall are you looking to go with it? What kind of electrical is going to be run through it? All these things will effect your project budget, even if you PrepHole the whole thing.
I’d move the prostitute and the kids into the garage and turn the house into a shop. Simple as.
This is The Way.
Pour a slab, get the containers lined up correctly when delivered.
Get a few bros to help put the roof up.
If you need it fancier, enclose the central space with wood, windows and doors.
If you ever need to move, you can take most of it with you.
What if you have no friends?
Build some.
Containers are very easy to work with single-handed which I mostly did. I have capable bros but we don't call for help unless necessary because meeting challenges makes us men.
Decide what your shop needs to do for you. Begin with one 40' High Cube (one-trip grade at least, NOT storage grade trash. I made that mistake once). Have power pole placed with outdoor panel with 120v and 240v outlets. Place container on support of choice suiting your soil. That can be all sorts of stuff including a container trailer, steel beams (my choice for my main container shop) concrete or railroad ties. Containers should not rest on the ground to reduce moisture ingress.
You can easily level and jack containers. I use mechanical house jacks and an air bag jack I made from a truck air bag. You can buy those too.
You can weld containers side by side or bolt lengths of angle together with sealant on the joint then weld that at the roof joints for future mobility. I chose welding since if I ever move them I can just track torch the sheet with plasma or OA.
>If you ever need to move, you can take most of it with you.
I should have mentioned coating the steel building bolts with anti-seize. I only had to cut three or four when I dismantled by 20x20 to move it. Anti-seize is love.
All your important container connections can be bolted even if you weld on some of the attachment points.
and a homosexual mommy daddy grandfathers trustfund in your gay ass to get a 70k truck to pick up some gay shit to throw in the back of the your extended cab. ooooo look im a gayg ooooooooo ooo
>permit
>tax
No worries. It's fairly common for tax assessors to have flyovers done to verify improvements on a property. They'll get it sooner or later even if it's unpermitted.
>It's fairly common
bullshit lol
You homosexuals always claim that, but its not common at all in most rural or semi rural areas in the USA.
A lot of states are doing whole state flyovers. Here is a link to the one that the state of NC has. You're a fricking idiot of you think tax offices don't take advantage of it.
https://nconemap.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=2c8a9b366c4841f1be2b464347d04a2b
>You're a fricking idiot of you think tax offices don't take advantage of it.
You're a fricking idiot if you think every rural county in NC is using that for enforcement. Take 30 seconds looking at the shitty GIS and you'll see hundreds of unpermittable buildings everywhere that aren't being taxed.
You live in a sick, stupid fantasy world
>you homosexuals always claim that, but its not common at all in most rural or semi rural areas in the USA.
the department of defense developed a laser radaring system called LIDAR. It basically makes 3d maps of whatever it scans. You can buy these domestically, especially from chinese vendors who stole the technology from the US. But thats not important, whats important is that the american dod provides LIDAR systems to corporations for free under the pretext that they upload the maps made with lidar to public servers. So what basically happens is, your local neighborhood utility company flies over your property while 'inspecting the power lines lmao' and they make a map of the entire county while doing so. They use that map to check for damages, problem points, ect. But then, as per the contract of the technology they are leasing, they upload that map to a government server, which the government then downloads for themselves. So now the government is legally able to spy on you and your property. By comparing two different lidar maps of the same location at different points in time, they can determine if any changes have been made on that property. A quick document search can then be preformed to see if you have permits for those changes if someone really wants to do something about it.
Whenever you read in the news paper that the government has discovered a giant pot grow or some other illegal opperation but they suspiciously made zero arrests and ends the article with 'lol we really could use some heckin infermationarinos, please contact your local cops if you know anything', that was a bust probably made with lidar. Power company probably flew over a random part of the woods, accidently recorded the opperation, police ran their local map through an algorithium to detect changes, they then went out and smashed the place, but made zero arrests because nobody was there at the time since it was just found by a computer.
Isn't it great living in the future?
This. I used to work for a rural county, and they spend 300k+ a year on aerial imaging services. We'd get standard top down imaging, obliques, infrared, and LIDAR. They could use the obliques to look under overhangs and actually take measurements of how tall buildings were. LIDAR gave them building footprints. Pot plants show up really well on infrared. Also, they could tell if you maybe had electric heat in a building that wasn't supposed to have power. They could even do analysis to figure out if you had an unpermitted pool. At one point they were looking into whether or not they could legally carry drones and use those to snoop around your property.
Remember that the government is not your friend. If they can find a way to spend a hundred bucks to tax you $25, they'll frick you all day long, and expect you to thank them at the end.
>looking into whether or not they could legally carry drones and use those to snoop around your property
IIRC, a recent court decision said that a warrant is required for that kind of search. Even then, from ground to at least 83ft in the air is considered private property (see United States v. Causby), so if I find a drone buzzing outside my window, I'm snagging that thing for myself. Most of the people around here would shoot it.
>unpermitted pool
Was it really a rural county if pool permits were required?
Yeah, this was several years ago, so drones were just becoming a thing. Them getting shot down was pretty much what killed the deal.
>Was it really a rural county if pool permits were required?
They provided imagery to the municipalities within their border. They'd also figure out pools that had turned green, and narc to vector control.
Rural folk will not hesitate to shoot at anything they deem threatening. I'm not as trigger happy as some of my neighbors, but I understand the sentiment: if I called the cops and they immediately began rushing over, it would still take them 15 minutes to get to my property. A lot can happen in those 15 minutes.
On a less serious note, frick people who let their pools turn into mosquito hatcheries. I've been bit at least 60 times in the past week, and that's after clearing out all known sources of stagnant water.
I was in the meeting when they discussed drones, and I specifically told them I would shoot down any drones I saw cross my property line. I'd previously made vague threats against them visiting my property. Working their, I knew what kind of bullshit they'd try and pull, so I was always pretty clear with them.
You should be able to look up some of these aerial images. For instance where I live they use beacon.schneidercorp.com for the real-estate mapping. When I was last looking for houses before I bought the one I have now, you can usually view back 10+ years of images, I think mine had pictures and or aerial imagery from as far back as 2003. Some also have historical imagery from the 70s or something.
It's useful to see how the morons before you kept up the house, and also compare the neighbors.
Google maps/google street view offers similar results as well. Luckily streetview hasn't imaged my neighborhood yet (in the middle of no where)
But yes code enforcement in a near by city uses googlemaps and the above posters LIDAR shit to find changes. I watch the city council minutes on youtube for that city and there are always people getting fricked on there over this shit.
I'm not arguing that it's not techincally possible for them to detect unpermitted buildings using LIDAR, drones, or whatever. I'm stating that in most rural areas of the USA, its almost entirely unenforced.
Take a drive or hop on google streetview and look down almost any rural road especially in a poorer county and you'll see loads of buildings that could never have been permitted. Also people living in RVs etc in counties where they are banned, shipping containers etc etc.
It's a dumb meme for paranoid wienersuckers
here in germany they use planes and they take pictures once a year.
Just like in ww2, no need for high tech stuff like lidar.
They dont activily look for violations but whenever they have to they have the evidence and can check how places used to look like.
I know some guys that had massive buildings without any permission.
No one cared for 30 years. It was only noticed because of (german equivalent) osha violations.
They had a car repair shop in the illegal parts of the building complex.
>They dont activily look for violations
that's kind of the key concept
It's also not one to risk thousands of dollars on out of angsty Wakandish butthurt.
County governments can change. Change is hard for autspergies to absorb but the driver is tax revenue.
You can be creative though. Part of why I chose shipping containers is if needed they can be a container, a structure, or sit on a trailer and just be a trailered object. Copying military and industrial mobility is actually easy so for example I could weld heavy duty trailer jacks or throw big rig axles under most anything in proper style to make it into "equipment" and look professional.
>Power company probably flew over a random part of the woods,
It used to be we'd see light planes flying all over the local forests looking for grow ops. Before legalization.
>light planes flying all over
In the fall. Which is why it was so noticable.
You have no way of knowing that. Assumption is not research. Modern surveying means everything visible from the air is known and of course satellite pics are compared with old survey data including aerial pics. You can review most area using Google Earth.
They just use services like Google Earth that can see the buildings from satellites
They will notice within a year or two for tax assessment reasons, but I doubt they will care about there being no permit pulled...
Not a bit. Some states allow for discovery but they'd have to be able to prove when you put it up which is easier said than done. Frankly insurance and code enforcement gays care more about permits than anyone else does.
>they'd have to be able to prove when you put it up which is easier said than done.
Compare last plat map at time of purchase to current structures to the various pics taken over time and done.
(Satellite pics are also good when towing junk cars as many show up when you zoom the yard. I did that before making the run so it would take less time to figure easiest extraction of ancient junk.)
https://support.google.com/earth/answer/148094?hl=en
Linux is supported:
https://www.google.com/earth/versions/
$12k material cost
Soooo I would guess someone could do it for $30k
Find an Amish dude
Pic didn't upload
Here's the hillbilly way:
Buy 2 of these and put them ass to ass or side to side
I'm in a similar situation. My barn is probably going to be a 4 year project. Partially that's so that I can save up and pay cash for each phase of the project, and partially to be able to have time to do it myself. Phase 1 is getting the shell of the building up, and maybe starting on electrical. Phase 2 is concrete. Phase 3 is finishing out the interior. Phase 4 is finishing out a mezzanine office. Depending on money, I might be able to compress the timeline a little.
Doing it as post frame means I can do the concrete later, and need to have it all done at once. I also don't need to worry about forming up footers, etc. The only really tricky part will be rolling trusses. I have a contractor friend who said he'd come and help with that. Some things to consider: If you're close to a Menards, I've heard good things about their barn kits. Otherwise, look around and see if you can get a larger lumber yard to give you a good deal. You should be able to get a better price and better quality product than big box stores. Otherwise, just watch a shit ton of youtube. I'm an amateur at anything of this scale, but I've been watching videos on the subject for months and taking a lot of notes. One other thing, dont' forget permits. It's a pain in the ass, but at least you get lube. If you don't get permits, they go in dry.
>The only really tricky part will be rolling trusses
Why are you choosing to use trusses on a barn? You lose a ton of storage space that is excellent for hay/straw/etc.
It's also easier to build a roof with one/two person using the old rafter/ridge method.
Pole barns are excellent for getting something up relatively fast and cheap.
Personally, after dealing with termites at my parent's house and carpenter ants at my cabin, I'm about to build my barn out of stone and concrete.
I said barn, but only part of it is going to be used as a barn. The rest is more of a shop space. I'm also adding a couple of lean-tos on either side that will be for hay storage and getting equipment out of the weather. The trusses are a tradeoff to get me some speed. With the 18 foot wall height, I'm not so much worried about not having enough room.
The utility company came through and replaced a bunch of telephone poles, which my dad was able to collect. He erected the pole barn more as a garage/shop space. His floor was the last thing, but years later.
His neighbor turned him in for no permit, coffee came out and told my dad, "this appears to be in support of these animals, right? Great, no permit needed." He's got some chicken and cows. Hardly a farm.
I want to do either containers (castle!?) or styrocret (https://youtu.be/27v7Oq-q9xs).
His neighbor deserves cow shit on his driveway everyday
I need to figure out how to get some of those decommissioned poles from the local utility. They are incredibly useful for building all kinds of things, and I've even seen them milled into pretty decent boards.
They are a hazard to life itself, but they do last quite a while when used as fenceposts. However if you plan to saw them up make sure to do it on a dry calm day and wear long sleeves and use a mask. The creosote in the dust will frick your skin up
Can confirm
They soaked the wood in tar oil.
They also used that stuff as pesticide and many countries essentially banned the use of it in the 90s
First off you need to sit down and figure out what you can spend and work backwards from that.
Do you have zoning to contend with.
What kind of tools and equipment do you already own.
Do you even own a truck to haul materials ?
Obvious question but what do you need the barn for?
Barns can cost that much, easily. You were probably just quoted for somthing you didn't actually need.
Funny story:
Out on a farm the owner got quoted 50k for a full installation and shat himself, so he just threw money at farm hands. Biggest wiener up I've ever seen.
Slab didn't set, kit shed assembled back to front, sheet metal destroyed and blown about by the wind, two people injured, one tractor bogged.
Sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a drug.
Now go eat your statin.
>these 2007 reaction images
if you're pretending to be old you're doing an incredible job
>spends so much time online he can date images from a quarter century ago
>can't understand why he's a broke failure with no future to look forward to
>boomers did this to me
That's the lazy-brain answer all boomer landlords and managers use to make themselves feel less shitty about spending a generation rolling back laborer protections while treating starter homes like portfolio assets. Frick the young, because they spent all their money on Hulu and iPhones, amiright?
In reality the median wealth of a millennial is 1/10th to 1/8th of a boomer, houses are 3.5x overvalued, and it would take a hard worker who isn't turbofricked by high rent 10+ years just to save for the down payment.
The boomer answer of "I worked hard, and I got a shitty starter and built it up. Just do what I did." Is a luxury answer.
That's why PrepHole has become a board about living in caves, building houses out of scrap, and turning shipping containers into shacks. Half the people on this board are younger generations realizing they'll never reach the American dream unless they build it out of trash - far from the reach of Boomers who need their rent to pay their Florida retirement.
So cool, you saw a boomer once who was spending above his means. Half of congress and most lawmakers are literally landlords. So while your generation nails our coffin shut and asks for $2,000 a month to sleep in it, we might as well enjoy a few creature comforts.
>The boomer answer of "I worked hard, and I got a shitty starter and built it up. Just do what I did." Is a luxury answer.
No, it's not.
You redditards always complain and complain, but you move the goalposts when anyone points to a solution.
You want a house, but you don't want to:
-live near blacks
-have to fix it up
-live in a small town
-commute
-be more than a few miles from at least 1000 gay bars
-drive a truck
>we might as well enjoy a few creature comforts.
And theres the code phrase that communicates that you're a lazy effeminate onionboy who will complain about how you should steal from others no matter how much decadence and luxury you consume. Instead of being a degenerate, try unplugging your mind from a psyop stream that is designed to corrupt the moral values of your nation by infecting your mind with divisive, hateful sickness. Turn off the redddit. Turn off the TV. Turn off the troony porn.
Instead of sitting around and hating your neighbors and family, try focusing on improving yourself and your life. Try getting a job that isn't completely unskilled and casual.
The reality is that there are plenty of people in our generation who are getting ahead and doing just fine. But you won't find them sitting around and complaining in your echo chamber.
Both of you or should I say you are a complete utter fool.
>That's why PrepHole has become a board about living in caves, building houses out of scrap, and turning shipping containers into shacks.
Those people react that way because they chose to be helpless. If you're not devoting your life to self-improvement you fricked up. How many hours do you study technology be it DIY or whatever per day? Why is your entertainment not challenging and useful? When I've no engines to build or projects needing attention I help my bros and they me in turn. We built each others workshops and filled them by teamwork.
BTW shipping containers work fine modded wisely. I have several and want more but like anything else you need to fricking STUDY relentlessly before acting. When I say study enough to answer your own questions there's always someone c**ting about it. What I can do you can do since I'm not special so frick you for not doing what testably measurably works. I learned what testably measurably works from other men. (I learnt containers from industry and the military, homes of all that is good.)
Caves and bunkerism is just autspergtards being mentally ill. You either act from calculated pragmatism or suck. Choose not to suck. Fantasy is not a step to success, it's a distraction.
Go make something. Determination is power. Learn to wrench, weld, wire, plumb and build. There is nothing to stop you but yourself.
How did a thread about building a pole barn turn into a millennial/zoomer cry fest?
I had a 40x60 shop built probably 8 years ago with a full 5" concrete floor one man door 3 windows, insulation, and a 14x14 garage door for around $54k if i remember correctly. Then I had a 30'x 60' lean to added onto one side right after biden got elected and before covid prices went totally through the roof for another $18k.
The best time to put up a building was 20 years ago. Second best time is today. Prices will.more than likely continue to go up.
>How did a thread about building a pole barn turn into a millennial/zoomer cry fest?
Because it's about the price, and the housing/land price disaster is singlehandedly demolishing the present and future prosperity of young people. It's literally going to strangle the western world.
Nah, but if it would strangle no-skill crybabbies that would please me greatly.
Want to get smart quick? Replace every trifle in your life with gaining knowledge, skill and equipment. Learn how to get permits if you need those, because other people get them and what one man can do xir can do too.
Build in a modular way so your facilities can grow for life. Arrange your equipment for easy reconfig (everything should be on wheels, dollies or be pallet jack compatible, not hard). Buy property zoned agricultural. No reason exists to live elsewhere so leave that for the chumps. Methodically plan everything. Learn everything. Study everything. That choice to be entertained by becoming capable is manly as it gets.
Most people who say they want a shop don't want to make the mental effort. The rest is easier. I've plenty of poorbros with shops because those are income multipliers. Learn what works instead of pretending nothing does. YOUR life is YOUR choice. If your location sucks, fricking move. I did so anyone else can too because I'm not special.
you clowns are like the financial equivalent of incels. We live in a country where two people waiting tables can afford a house like pic related. (Yes, its in SC)
>We'RE LiteRalLy DyINg
Grow up. Get a real job. Do anything other than sucking down anti-American propaganda on redddit and improve your fricking life.
Adults are telling you how they got ahead and provide for their families, but you're not interested in helping yourself. Every year tens of thousands of immigrant families come here from their shitholes and they work hard, educate their kids, and succeed financially. What's your fricking excuse?
Can't afford the rent in wienersucker City, CA or YWNBAW, New York? Then move dumbass
no, no you can't.
My house cost 2/3 that, and my wife and I had amazing credit with very low interest rate.
We pull in solidly middle class income.
Lower class income like 2 waiters can't afford anything close to that, especially not today.
The typical home buyer puts less than 10% down, so you're talking about 2500 a month for that house.
That's insane. No couple waiting tables could ever afford that.
Especially not in South Carolina
>2500 a month for that house
so $30K a year. Or pretty doable with a ~$90K income between two people. It's pretty common to pull down a thousand bucks a week waiting tables in SC these days (but obviously not at the Waffle House)
So this is pretty achievable for a huge range of blue collar workers like waiters, nurses, truck drivers, etc. Even a manager at Dollar General.
If you think making $45K is unrealistic and "insane" then you need a reality check and a real job.
^Confirmed and cheaper is of course available in SC. I live there. There are plenty of very affordable houses with land. There's no reason to go over ~140K even if you're helpless.
Cheap out on the house but where practical get over five acres zoned agricultural then renovate and enjoy life like I do.
>Ok, yes, we opened the borders to infinity slave wage laborers who live with 30 people in a 2 bedroom apartment and "work hard" to get our lawns cut for $5 and demolished the price floor on wages and priced you out of all the cultural hubs in the nation where political power is decided...... but we still din do nuffin.......
>You're just reading chicom propaganda.....
Getting boomers to be honest about the nature of political power would be easier than teaching pigs to fly.
>Every year tens of thousands of immigrant families come here from their shitholes and they work hard, educate their kids, and succeed financially.
Why are you pretending ESG doesn't exist and companies aren't forced to hire quotas of non whites?
Are you perhaps israeli?
>AmeRiCa BaD!11!
>Y-you're the israelite!
The American Dream was about everyone having the opportunity to succeed and have a good life for their family if they applied themselves and worked hard. It wasn't about everything being easy and being handed to you, you filthy onionboy.
We're in a country where a truck driver, a nurse, a waiter, a UPS delivery guy, or a plumber can easily pull down a thousand bucks a week. If you can't afford to live in the USA and you're not disabled, then it's because you haven't bothered to get a real job.
>You can see they ran the roofing sheets horizontal tho
Like was said in
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>See pic related for a cheap simple carport with "horizontally" oriented roofing panels.
The picture is even titled horizontal.jpg
Deals are still to be had, you just gotta hustle... Boomers are dying off and their spoiled kids (aka people like you) don't want to have to lift a finger to clear out property and sell it. Be at the right place at the right time and you can literally make bank off of lazy people. It happens all the time. BUT you have to put forth some effort...
why even have a foundation? it can just be a glorified car port and put gravel under it
no need for walls either
Find a good spot, drive a wooden stake in each corner. Take a plastic transparent tube, fill it with water and measure the water level between posts - that will give you your level. Mark the level on the wood stakes, then take a tape measurer and lower the mark to your desired height, this will tell you how much you have to dig, or fill in in order to have a level slab.Line the square with wooden planks that follow the marked level, dont forget to give the planks about 10cm from the ground.Fill your square with bolders so you don't have to pour too much concrete. At each end and along the exterior line hammer in steel rods a meter down and about 10cm stiking from the finnished concrete slab - those will give you ankorings for wooden posts that will from superstructure. Erect posts to desired height, lay down roof, clad structure with polyurethen sandwich panels - factories sell their waste cuts for pennies by the ton. There your shed is now complete
i plan on using a 12" auger to sink some cedar trees i chopped down then connect the tops with some scrap wood, lower one side to make it a lean to, use simpson strong ties to hold the 2x4 studs aka rafters in place. cover with some sheet metal roofing mebbe do a coat of elastoseal before i put them on fill in all the holes
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Simpson-Strong-Tie-Hurricane-Tie-Z-MAX/3047195
https://www.lowes.com/pd/APOC/5013282721