QBZ 191

If you are an American, must know your enemy to effectively face him/her. The mainstream rifle of the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army is the QBZ-191. It looks like a cross between a AK and an AR, with its silhouette resembling that of an HK-416. It's charging handle is on the side like an AK, and has the selector switch like an AR15. The QBZ-191 is chambered in 5.8x42, which the Chinese claim is superior to 5.56. This rifle has 2 other variants with different barrel lengths: the QBZ-192 and the QBU-191. Know your enemies weaponry.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't see how its important. Rifles are interchangeable, its not like there are major differences between an AR and a QBZ that will decide the outcome of a fight. When people say "know your enemy", they generally refer to their broad strategies and unit compositions and material shortcomings that you can play to your advantage; not vapid minutiae like what kind of fire selector your enemies rifle has.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      FPBP, as a gungay it's easy not to see the forest for the trees.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Its basically just an upgraded HK416
      Some chicanery inside with locking the bolt rotation, and potentially using a camming locking lug design for better extraction.
      Otherwise, it's interchangeable with any intermediate caliber carbine.

      Also correct.
      The only military with a shoulder rifle that actually matters right now, is the USA.
      Because the XM7 is such a big divergence from the rest of the pack that it will have actual effects in firefights and tactics going into the future.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This. Whether you love it or hate it, you have to admit it is different.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it remains to be seen whether the XM7 was even a good idea. None of our prospective enemies are currently issuing armor in any reasonable volume, the armor they do issue is mostly garbage and engagement range creep was an afghanistan/insurgency related issue that was better addressed with loitering munitions/small drones. No appreciable benefit in exchange for increased weight, less ammo.

        They should have just bought some AR10s to avoid marines having to pull M14s out of storage in the event of another sandwar.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          XM7 has practically zero advantage over the M4 against body armor. If anything, what you would want against body armor is an accurized M16 like the Mk12 SPR and to go for headshots.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >None of our prospective enemies are currently issuing armor in any reasonable volume, the armor they do issue is mostly garbage

          t. your feelings

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Name one country that is hostile to America that also has standard issue body armor capable of reliably stopping 5.56.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >doesn't actually know anything about hostile militaries
              >expects opponent to fill in the blanks for him
              >information about said armor is unavailable, therefore its all conjecture

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Rebarrel our current stock to 6.8 SPC II, swap magazines and bolts. Bing boom $300 fix.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          XM7 has practically zero advantage over the M4 against body armor. If anything, what you would want against body armor is an accurized M16 like the Mk12 SPR and to go for headshots.

          1)The chinese have issued tenders to procure massive amounts of body armor
          2)Increased armor penetration doesn't just improved performance against armor, it can penetrate metal and other forms of cover far better too
          3)As a long range round, .277 Fury beats out 6.5 sneedmoor and .308 win for ballistic performance
          4)With the inevitable introduction of combat robots in the near future 5.56 just isn't going to cut it when dealing with them
          5)Folding stocks are a nice thing to have when you're not using your weapon
          6)Saying that an M4 is relatively equal to an XM7 in defeating body armor is fricking laughable
          7)The new fire control systems and suppressors sound neato
          8).277 fury probably rips holes through chinklets real good

          AR15cels get the rope

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            1, 2) The XM7 was not designed to defeat armor, and without AP rounds it will do little against level 4 plates for instance. With AP cores, it wouldn't perform much better than existing ammo and platforms to justify its existence.

            3) Better enough to justify a whole nee round and gun that isn't even NATO spec?

            4) You're not using a rifle on imaginary combat robots anyways

            5) Agree but that goes for many guns

            6) Right, they both can't with standard FMJ. And they both can with AP ammo, why does this gun exist again?

            7) Which can also be used on other guns

            8) Does nothing 5.56 can't

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Increased armor penetration doesn't just improved performance against armor, it can penetrate metal and other forms of cover far better too
            Are you sure about that? Is there any public data regarding the terminal effects of any of the NGSW cartridges?

            >3)As a long range round, .277 Fury beats out 6.5 sneedmoor and .308 win for ballistic performance
            Only from a fixed barrel length. Sneedmore has a longer, narrower projectile, which gives it a ballistic advantage. All .277 fury has going for it is chamber pressure and case capacity, it's like comparing 6.8 SPC to 6mm ARC.

            >5)Folding stocks are a nice thing to have when you're not using your weapon
            Lots of ARs have folding stocks these days.

            >6)Saying that an M4 is relatively equal to an XM7 in defeating body armor is fricking laughable
            They're both completely inadequate for defeating level 4 armor. That's as equal as it gets, 0=0.

            >7)The new fire control systems and suppressors sound neato
            Not unique to the NGSW, No reason you couldn't field a comparable optic and suppressor on any other rifle.

            >8).277 fury probably rips holes through chinklets real good
            Probably, but even 5.56 gets the job done.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        XM7 is just a cope for the Army being too heavily loaded down with bullshit to move into position, so they can just hunker down and plink at baddies from 300+ yards away. It might work out because there's no competent militates left in the world, but it's a losing strategy against a force that can actually make use of combined arms to maneuver into position to use proper assault rifles.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          XM7 has practically zero advantage over the M4 against body armor. If anything, what you would want against body armor is an accurized M16 like the Mk12 SPR and to go for headshots.

          Body armor isn't even that much of a tactical advantage in the first place, whoever gets hits on targets first almost always wins.
          Ukraine is the war of the 5.45, and frankly it seems plenty capable enough of killing even the most well armored soldiers.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Ukraine is the war of the 5.45

            lol wut? its the war of artillery, just like every other war.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Well yeah, of course it is, but we're talking about small arms, and 5.45 AKs are by far the most common rifles on both sides

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Resembles a HK-416
    Your chink eyes don't work chinaman go back behind the great firewall.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It looks like a HK416 first glance. But when you look for a while the differences are noticeable.
      China has been copying military secrets for a while now, and they have come up with a rifle that is a blend of an AR and an AK. So it is likely that the 'slight' resemblance to an HK-416 is not an accident, as the HK-416 is a successful rifle that has proven itself on the battlefield.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >first glance
        unless OP's picture is just wrong that doesn't even resemble a HK416 in any way
        barrel, magwell, stock, reciever, gas system, and the thingy behind the rail are all wrong

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Furniture and what specific CNC instructions are used to machine the metal doesn't matter much.
          Its a 4 lug bolt head, combined with a generic short stroke gas piston + AR15 bolt carrier system. Bolt travels inside a buffer-tube in the stock.
          Two odd ball bits, one, the trigger coming from an AK, probably to make it lower profile and make the receiver shorter. And two, using this claw to lock the cam pin in place instead of using the receiver wall like a standard AR pattern.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The QBZ-191 is chambered in 5.8x42, which the Chinese claim is superior to 5.56
    5.8x42 is borderline 6mm arc/max

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >5.8x42 is borderline 6mm arc
      The sniper variant was, now they all use the assault rifle variant that's more like 6.8 SPC. More case capacity than .223 but too long of a cartridge and not provisioned for long enough of a bullet to actually do anything better than .223.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >treason
    >Penalty: Under U.S. Code Title 18, the penalty is death, or not less than five years' imprisonment (with a minimum fine of $10,000, if not sentenced to death)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cool, when you hanging politicians?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks insanely soulless when compared to the older based chinkgun

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >riced out AK with quantum keyholing technology
    Truly... implessive

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >muh taxes
    No NEET third worlder ever paid """muh 60%""" either.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I want to buy a little PP Asian rifle.
    Someone smuggle one over here and manufacture them in 6.8 SPC II

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Well, good thing neither of them did, then. One UNFROZE billions of Iran's money.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      aid and comfort to the enemy.

      [...]
      Elected head of state. Changing foreign policy is not treason.

      aid and comfort to the enemy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It is the commander in chief's prerogative to decide who is or isnt the enemy

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You didn't believe that from 2017-early 2021 so I don't care.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They use that money to fund insurgent groups who attack American forces in the Middle East, while chanting "Death to America"

          One would assume that would be the enemy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The enemy of the American people is not necessarily the enemy of the American state.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          no it isn't. it's congress's power. the president does not have the power to declare war, only execute the will of the legislature.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the president does not have the power to declare war, only execute the will of the legislature.
            What's life in 1941 like?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It is also the people who decide. And when the CiC thinks otherwise from the people he becomes an enemy

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Elected head of state. Changing foreign policy is not treason.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Seems breddy good to me as long as they can maintain build quality across their manufacturers, which historically is dubious. Also it doesn't just look like a crossbreed, it is one. Improved piston AR internals, AK trigger and charging, mixed ergonomics, integrated BUIS. Sounds like a winning combo to me

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao With most of the rounds tumbling as soon as they leave the muzzle, with the few rounds that actually flew straight missing the target, U.S soldiers and their allies don't need to fear getting in a modern gunfight against the Chinese. The Chinese switched to the QBZ-191 because of the poor functioning of their old bullpop rifles. Turns out the real problem is Chinese engineering. It's probably a combination of poor rifle quality and defective ammunition. But just because the video shows shit bullet groups and poor rifle quality doesn't mean that the U.S military just put their guard down. Expect the unexpected when all scenarios you trained for never happen in a future battle. The United States has the Chinese beat in terms of boots on the ground gunfighting, battle hardened from the global war on terror.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do people still believe this shit or is it just shitposting?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Chinese claim
    can any of you chink lovers tell me why there was a 92% drop in Chinese going on cruise vacations after COVID? is it because all the old people died, because they don't have the money anymore, or some other reason?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The highest federal tax bracket is 37%, and I doubt you make $600k a year

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's basically a HK416 but without copying the AR15 dimensions and rather drawing them from the ground up.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    /k/ posted a breakdown on this rifle 1 or 2 years ago. It’s basically an AR with an AK trigger and a number of modifications made to the AR action. It appears to be an attempt to make a better AR.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Individual carbines are irrelevant other than their known point and area target ranges. What matters is TTPs and overall doctrine. Thankfully, the US military is always a step ahead, and we already have published material on Chinese warfighting methods and capabilities.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot my link:
      https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN34236-ATP_7-100.3-001-WEB-3.pdf

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >i will go to the gun enthusiast board to lecture them on the standard issue rifle of one of the largest militaries in the world

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >t. Chinkoid

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >t. luninescent Black

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The chinks are actively training to kill you.
    Yes you, you fat little moron.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they can't even institute proper workplace safety, you really think they'll survive the trip over the pacific in their sardine cans?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The problem is that the American ships are DEFINITELY gonna succeed in hauling your fat ass to the shores of Taiwan to participate in the largest beach landing since Normandy

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/zg3Ke2t.jpeg

          [...]
          Just because you don't have anything to lose doesn't mean the rest of us don't, or that the chinks won't shift focus once they're finished with Taiwan
          >Why die for danzig
          You kill the enemy in his home before he can come to yours

          OK, Agent Smith, I now love America and will fight for the economic interests of its billionaires. You've won me over.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Chinaman fears the lathe that craves his flesh, the forklift that wants to make him go squish squish

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >chinks are trying to kill you!!!!!
      >btw all the white people are gone from my town but thats wonderful !

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Just because you don't have anything to lose doesn't mean the rest of us don't, or that the chinks won't shift focus once they're finished with Taiwan
    >Why die for danzig
    You kill the enemy in his home before he can come to yours

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What do you have to lose to China?
      Be explicit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not having dead chinamen is a loss in itself, ching chong mcgraw

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Glib, but you dodged the question.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, i was pretty straight with you. China is an infestation, taking up/poisoning atmosphere and useful land. Face saving culture means they can only double down on their moronation, thus require removal.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            he's not going to give genuine answers, anon

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Every human has a stake, ping wang. The atmosphere you insects make yellower than yourselves doesnt magically stop at your borders.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So there wasn't anything at stake for you, that was just some bullshit you made up, above?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah i mean if you ignore their environmental damage they should still die because the century of humiliation deserves a sequel

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    What do you have to lose to a wienerroach? What do you have to lose to the dust on your counter or the dirt on your shoes? All the same these things are eliminated because they are, by their very nature a negative influence on our world. The same is true of the chinaman, who is at once a parasite and a would-be predator. It must be made clear, and the bugman menace must be made extinct or at the very least driven to such humiliation that any idea of them ever attempting to rise in the world would be laughable. It might be different if they had chosen democracy and capitalism. We might even be friends, but they tend toward the authoritarian streak, and that we cannot have, just as we do not allow weeds to grow in our gardens, so too, must authoritarianism and despotism be plucked from the earth at their source. We do not negotiate with evil. We destroy it.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Then go move there and post on their chans. Why are you here?

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Their business is to take your business though, also flooding you with fentanyl

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      and our government does nothing to stop it, probably because the rich aren't suffering and it would cost money to fix. what's the expectation for me to do?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >us government incentivizes outsourcing
      >us government tacitly allows the drug trade
      None of that is China's fault.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Which is why I said you should go and move there. If you actually think it's a better place to live, you should have no trouble going away from here. Feel free to post on Chinese sites from now on, as well.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ?
      I also dont speak chinese
      Objective reality, idiot

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can learn. Go live in your better country. I'm sure they'll love to re-educate you.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a fricked up QBZ-03.

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