PTSD attack leads Veteran to have "Seizure", hold imaginary gun. Posted on March 4, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Is this real? Can PTSD do this? Taking cover, holding an imaginary pistol...I don´t know.
No, this gay is an attention seeker.
Gay thread btw.
>Gay thread btw.
Thanks I try my best.
>cracks his head on the concrete at the end
that's some commitment to the bit if he's actually just acting
It's not. Also american veterans are mostly full of shit and they are attention whores. Most of their problems are related to unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse.
Any vet should now the difference between fireworks and a gunshot.
Your brain doesn't work like that. The limbic system activates before your conscious, thinking parts can even start thinking about what's happened, it's like reacting to a ball flying at your face before you realize the situation at hand. Because of this, the limbic system can push you straight into a flashback before you get the time to even realize why you've been triggered.
There's no thinking involved, which is what makes PTSD such a bitch.
It's called the startle reflex, anon. Combat stress has a way of attuning you to sudden loud noises, but it has less to do with reminding the veteran of a gunshot or bomb and more just a very low-level monkey brain function related to reactions to stimuli. Combat rewires the way your brain works on a very basic level, and being more sensitive to loud noises is one of them.
please make the star a star of david
>do it yourself
I'd shoot fireworks and bottle rockets every weekend if I was this clown's neighbor.
>Most of their problems are related to unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse.
I wonder how they came to fall into these things if they were totally fine...
The same way most people do. They're mentally ill with drug addictions and it consumes them. No the mental illness isn't being stressed out over waking up at 5 in the morning for PT, it was already there since childhood and it showed when they decided to seclude themselves onto Reddit and Discord and take band as an elective course(it's always the band/drama kids becoming unhinged addicts that forever roam the streets)
>No the mental illness isn't being stressed out over waking up at 5 in the morning for PT, it was already there since childhood
Then it's not their fault and they don't deserve the scorn
Welp. You cant change nature, nobody wants to around a psycho who's probably going to munch on their face as a midday snack. You can try but you'll just get a school shooter situation from all the mind altering drugs you pump into them.
I had a fucked childhood and time in school/work, but I didn't do drugs and all kinds of other retarded shit to cope with it. Most normal people do. Almost everyone at some point in their life is some way or another abused or faces self defeating thoughts, at the end of the day you have a choice of whether or not you're going to let those things destroy you or find ways to pull it together and deal with it.
It's almost like perceptions of military service for the first three thousand years of human history were right, and they hire the dregs of society because they aren't gonna be worth anything anywhere else.
Millennials are so fucking gay holy shit.
That guy´s 40.
Yea. A millennial.
Millenials Aren't Young, anymore.
Vast Majority are in their mid thirties.
The earliest millennials are 40-43.
no cap fr fr on god cuh
>Can PTSD do this? Taking cover, holding an imaginary pistol
Yes, absolutely. Either pseudoseizures from the overwhelming psychological stress, or just plain old seizures. Getting hit by an IED is pretty likely to cause traumatic brain injury, which can cause seizures, obviously.
A PTSD flashback involves your brain reliving the traumatic moment to the extent that the brain functions happening are fundamentally similiar to those that occured when it actually happened. People who have been induced into a flashback while being MRI-scanned show exactly the kind of brain activation you would expect where they actually in the situation they are reliving.
It's basically an event stored in your mind that your nervous system could not biologically process in the moment, so it gets dissociated, stuffed off into some corner of your mind only to flash back into central focus of your mind once triggered. Once in a flashback, you in the present are incapable of recognizing what is past and what is not for at least a moment, as the biological activation of certain parts of your brain basically cockblock the prefrontal cortex and stop it from doing its job, same shit with other parts.
The human brain is a stupid organ.
It would have made sense if he was fake holding a rifle. gay is larping.
Sadly, you don't get to choose what specific form your brain chooses to implant the traumatic memory into its folds. It could very well be that he's just used to firing a pistol, as a hobby, competitively, defensively or he might be an MP. Maybe the actual traumatic memory he has involved him only having his pistol at hand and so had to use it then. It doesn't really matter, because the parts of the human brain that are responsible for PTSD are dumb as fuck, beyond retarded. They're completely animalistic, bestial parts that will mistake a backfire for a gunshot and force you into reliving the situation as if it were happening right now without even giving you time to consider whether it's sensible or not.
The fact that he's just had a seizure complicates things even further, as depending on the severity of the seizure, he could completely be incapable of recollecting anything after his actual PTSD-inducing experience, or even beyond that. Proper grand mal seizures can wipe entire family-lives out of present memory, leaving the person in question incapable of remembering anything at all in their life. After the seizures the individuals are possible to be completely out of their minds, incapable of recognizing even loved ones and fighting back against EMTs. In such a state it's absolutely no surprise that one might hold their arms as if they were carrying a firearm.
That' ain't a rifle he's holding, based on the hand position. It's a handgun, which suggests he's either some snot-nosed officer or a fucking POG.
Nice reading comprehension. How many years did you serve?
> The human brain is a stupid organ.
extremely true words anon. it’s wet meat with a memory problem that’s good at math until you need to actually do math, and has a tendency to want to do things that might kill you.
Oh wow look, it's someone with an education. Let's all ignore his post so we can go back muh larping millennials
Hey look, someone else here cracked open a psych book at least once in their life too. Sorry man, people would rather jerk off muh strong old generation than learn about the ways stress and panic can affect the mind and body
I saw my buddies get blown to bits and the concussive blasts from artillery rattled my brain so hard I still can't walk properly to this day
Waaaa Waaahhh I was called a man but I'm a real woman. Waaa Waaa I can't deal with life anymore because some inbred goat herder lobbed bullets at my up armored humvee waahhh.
Clearly letting the participation trophy in the military was a mistake. They're too mentally ill to deal with Johnny and some friends going plinking and had to make up a whole new disease as a cope for their pre-existing mental illness being amplified with unhealthy hero worship culture.
>kids these days!
Much like those who wear tinfoil hats, you fail to realize your presentation is what makes you so easily glossed over
Silent Generation just drank and beat their wives and kids.
so much for a silent generation when they kept opening their mouths to demand a veteran discount and gratitude to their cervix at the fucking home depot garden center.
That'd be the millennials. Silent Generation isn't in their 30's.
Heavy combat is easier for the human brain to handle than unconventional warfare. The human brain is well suited to getting into open combat, fighting to the death or fleeing for your life, then coming down after. That sort of shit. The brain is built to handle those situations.
But when it has to deal with long-term combative situations, or ambushes, where you have no realistic way of saving yourself or your fellow soldiers, it just fails. Helplessness, not having a way of fighting the danger, is what gives you PTSD. It's why shellshock was such a huge deal in WW1. There is nothing at all you can do to save yourself from massed artillery while you're sitting in a trench or foxhole. Same thing with IEDs and unconventional warfare. There is nothing you can specifically do to stop your vehicle from being the one that drives by that garage EFP that decapitates your squad leader and sends you off into a German hospital.
>Heavy combat is easier for the human brain to handle than unconventional warfare.
Whining about whiners is still whining. You're just as much of a screeching bitch as anyone else when you type shit like this. It's really worthless and annoying!
Why are you complaining about a complainer anon. stop complaining.
Zoomers are gay. You are gay.
>Is this real?
I don't know.
>Can PTSD do this?
Look up videos of people with PTSD from WWI.
>Look up videos of people with PTSD from WWI.
PTSD isn't being made into a vegetable from brain trauma. Those people not being able to walk right are suffering from TBI.
PTSD is made up nonsense to cater to the weak minded who are already mentally ill and frail.
ptsd can be caused solely through brain inflammation, which in turn can be a reaction to a tbi from explosive concussion/IED blasts etc
so even without psychological cause, purely physical damage can cause ptsd
Then that would be TBI. You can argue however that the brain damage enhances psychotic delusions because it does. It's why a fuck ton of TBI suffering GWOT vets (people who survived IED explosions or were near enough massive explosions to get extremely concussed and get the brain injury in the first place) tend to chud out in large numbers these days. Before they were just depressed from life being gay in general(It is but most people can deal with it) but getting into a cult hugbox like Reddit or Discord didn't help if any mental health specialist told them to converse with friends and family more often (Internet people are not your friends)
literally never true
most combat casualties in wwii were psychological
Most combat casualties in WWII were from artillery.
While psychological factors such as fear, anxiety, and other forms of mental distress were certainly common among soldiers in WWII, it is difficult to say whether most combat casualties were psychological in nature.
Combat casualties in WWII were primarily physical, with soldiers suffering from gunshot wounds, shrapnel injuries, and other forms of trauma. However, many soldiers also experienced psychological trauma as a result of their experiences in combat. This trauma could manifest in various forms, including post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression, anxiety, and other mental health issues.
It's important to note that the prevalence of psychological trauma varied widely among soldiers, depending on a range of factors such as their combat experience, personality traits, and social support networks. While some soldiers may have been more resilient to the stresses of combat, others may have been more vulnerable to psychological trauma.
Overall, while psychological factors were certainly a significant issue for many soldiers in WWII, it is difficult to say whether they were the primary cause of combat casualties.
hol up bot bro, wasn’t infections?
Or was it ww1?
Pretty sure the US Civil War was the last, or one of the last. The discovery of Germ Theory significantly reduced the effectiveness of disease as a killer or wounder.
Artillery took the role as leading cause of death and injury during WWI, and as I understand it has yet to be replaced.
So I guess if you wanna be influential in your nation's next war, you should join the arty, since statistically speaking you'll be doing the most damage.
I have seen someone two weeks back from a tour out in the backyard in the dead of night digging himself a fighting position, but I've never seen anyone hold a pretend gun.
I'unno, the human brain is wierd and all but this seems sus
>he doesn't dig himself fighting positions recreationally
my uncle was in afghanistan and was pretty fucking weird. he refused to drive a car so his wife always drove.
nice guy though. got me some nice lego sets.
I used to work at a car dealership with a guy whose dad was a Vietnam vet with really bad psychological issues. One day he came to visit and when he heard our Vietnamese lot manager's accent he had a delusional panic attack so bad that he hid inside a car in the showroom and refused to come out because the manager was "a cong" and "knew what he'd done".
When this was posted on reddit (yeah, I know...) someone posted a link to a news article that talked about this guy and I guess he's legit? He's pretty well known in the area I guess. It's less PTSD and more that he just lost his fucking marbles. Apparently he was in a firefight where he was pinned down somewhere with his buddy who promptly got his blown off and he had to lay there with his dead headless friend until it was over.
Sure, my uncle once removed used to wake up screaming and clutching an imaginary rifle every day at 3AM. did 3 tours and it fucked him up good
>tfw this this thresd made me realize my brain is permanently fucked for life
Plenty of treatment for PTSD, so long as you find an actual trauma trained therapist, and I do mean actual trauma trained, not just some "trauma aware" douche who pretends they know what they're doing.
Stuff like EMDR works just perfectly fine for traumatic events. You're only ever really permanently fucked for life if your trauma leads to complex PTSD and a personality disorder.
I might have that given trauma was repeated and started when I was quite young
Knowing is half the battle. You should pirate pic related, through the PrepHole sticky if you don't have another source already. Probably also
>The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma
by Bessel van der Kolk. Both should be relatively informative books for anyone struggling with (complex) trauma related issues.
>You're only ever really permanently fucked for life if your trauma leads to complex PTSD and a personality disorder.
You can still cope and eke out a life despite all of it, find some peace where you dwell. I'd just be lying were I to tell you it'd be as easy and satisfying as others might have.
Yeah. My life is okay now I guess but my brain being completely fucked up is for life.
It is what it is.
No it's meth or schizophrenia
Veterans are the biggest gays ever
>grandfather was at normandy
>bee stings nearly took his entire kneecap off
>still loved loud cars, fireworks and recreational shooting
I think today's vets might just be pussies.
No. Your grandpa was just involved in a combat situation where he had a visible enemy, could fight against them, felt he had choice and input in whether he lived or not and because of it did not develop PTSD.
Calling modern vets pussies is like calling someone a pussy because they broke their leg in a car accident. Whether or not you develop a post-traumatic stress disorder is entirely a question of the biological making of the human brain.
>Whether or not you develop a post-traumatic stress disorder is entirely a question of the biological making of the human brain
Yes and your brain is bitchmade, unlike your grandparents
Did daddy not love you enough? Did he tell you real men don't cry, or why are you like that?
holly shit imagine being this much of a gay lmao.
So I'm right? Mommy slapped you on the cheek when you cried and told you not to be such a pussy, so now you've internalized it and refused to express your God-given emotions because someone shamed you for it? Why are you such a bitch?
>So I'm right?
>Mommy slapped you on the cheek when you cried and told you not to be such a pussy, so now you've internalized it and refused to express your God-given emotions because someone shamed you for it?
Why are you projecting
>Why are you such a bitch?
Im not. You're crying on the Internet over being a bitch bro.
Then what's got you riled up? Are you just so effeminate you soak up societal influences to the point you're here defending them? Or are you actually a woman?
>Then what's got you riled up?
Me losing my sides in orbit to
this level of gayry
>Are you just so effeminate you soak up societal influences to the point you're here defending them?
I'm against gayry good sir
>Or are you actually a woman?
Women don't exist on the Internet. It's all feds, NEETs, and trannies
>I'm against gayry good sir
>Women don't exist on the Internet. It's all feds, NEETs, and trannies
So basically you're either a woman or act like one. That's enough for me to disregard your retarded bullshit.
Like what. You being a gay.
He did, and he was right. I am sick and fucking tired of this touchy-feely shrink driven feminization scheme. I want you and everyone like you to know that every time you tell me to open up, I deliberately choose to try harder to force my negative emotions down and away.
Go to hell and choke on the devil's balls.
What do you guys think about PTSD occurring when not actually exposed to hazardous situation?
>Be deployed to Qatar 2019-2020
>Iran launches missiles into base inna Iraq
>overwhelming vibe amongst everyone is that shit will have to kick off
>the day immediately after the missile attack incoming tone starts blaring across base
>flightline guy so i'm 100 yards away from the assets they're targeting
>run into the ghetto rigged barricade bunker they made for us the previous day
>For the next several minutes am convinced that I am about to die or be maimed
Eventually when nothing happened we realized something was off. Turns out they wanted to test the sirens but forgot to put out the alert that it would be a test.
I don't feel like this gave me PTSD but sometimes I do wonder.
>PTSD occurring when not actually exposed to hazardous situation
Doesn't really matter whether you were actually in danger or not. Your brain reacts all the same so long as you think you're in danger. Fucking flashbacks themselves are all 100% bullshit, where your brain thinks it's about to die, even if you're peacefully shopping or at home. The human brain really doesn't care about what's the objective reality, but far more about how it feels about the situation at hand.
"Helplessness," or more accurately an inability to affect the outcome of your specific traumatic situation is generally the greatest predictor of PTSD. Sitting in a shelter believing you're about to die any moment, without having any ability to save yourself or change the outcome is just the kind of situation that causes trauma. Even if it's not full-blown PTSD as defined by insurance-dependent manuals, a situation like that can still lodge itself into your brain as a traumatic event and bother you for the rest of your life if it's not properly processed after.
There's a good reason why these days responsible authorities, organizations, whatever, tend to offer post-event therapy to anyone who has gone through any kind of possibly traumatic event. Nipping the issues stemming from it in the bud is the best possible outcome. Leaving it to stew for decades does nobody any benefit.
>What do you guys think about PTSD occurring when not actually exposed to hazardous situation?
You're a bitch pussy who probably has schizophrenia.
Spike Milligan mentioned recovering from shell shock in a ward, he was put next to an AA gunner who, upon hearing a plane, lept up and started winding up his hospital bed.
There's a lot of similarities between autism and PTSD, I wonder if some guys with high functioning autism slip by MEPs and than get seriously fucked by PTSD afterwards.
I'm just talking out of my ass speculating I'm not a psychologist.
Wouldn't surprise me with how some autists have hypersensitivity to sensory stuff. If your brain isn't built to handle bright lights and being suddenly touched, it's sure as hell gonna spaz out when you're fucked in combat.
Depending on what kind of role he has, an autist is definitely more likely to get mentally fucked if he's put in a combat situation.
In addition to what
said, their social retardedness is going to be a cause of constant stress, because they're generally going to have a harder time functioning in a very macho environment and understanding what the other men in their squad are doing.
>Dad was a combat engineer on demolitions during Desert Storm
>Has never talked about any combat he may have seen, just demo ops and some funny stories
>Dad has always had an excuse to not go shooting with me
>Says occasionally that if he ever bought a gun again it'd be a Winchester 1890 gallery gun .22
>I finally get a .22 rifle
>It's a 10/22, not the 1890 but they're expensive and a 22 is fun no matter what kind it is
>My dad finally tells me after I offer to go shooting again with it that he can suffer flashbacks from desert storm
>Says they used to take potshots at landmines and such
>"It didn't always go as planned"
>Changes the topic and goes on as normal
What did my dad see? How do I help him? He hates doctors so for all I know he's never seen anyone about this.
You can try respecting his dislike for guns, as well as his obvious desire to not fucking talk about it. If you want to understand, go get some. Words are insufficient.
He clearly doesn't dislike guns based on our conversations, just certain kinds it seems.
I just don't know anything about PTSD. He's literally never talked to me about anything that went wrong over there before, I've never asked. I guess he's able to cope far better than some but the idea that my own dads dealt with that and that I can't help sucks now that I know about it.
I'd feel better if that's all it is I guess, but I don't know.
Sidenote on that though.. how does Grandpa Hikock45 keep shooting large guns then?
Tell him to stop being a bitch pussy. jk. He honestly just doesn't like shooting anything stronger than a .22. Desert Storm veterans are at that age now to where they're physically wasting away and any force greater than .22 plinking calibers causes physical pain. I guess bringing up Desert Storm is his cope on why he only wants to shoot plinker guns.
My great grandfather had cope like that despite him loving to go shooting when he was younger, my grandfather as well, and now my dad is also copesplaining about how he only wants to shoot .22 plinkster except he isn't bringing up war pains he just brings all the diseases he got in 3rd world shitholes when he used to do charity work for a while as his excuse. I know it's just him getting old because he pinches his shoulder nerves a lot when doing anything physical.
Has your dad done anything with the VA to seek help or relief? But I guess that would mean he would have to see a doctor to diagnose him for a claim.
Also I have a similar story with a veteran
>Dad and I go to a friend's property to shoot.
>It's our first time going on the property and he's a chill guy, a bit of a fudd but enjoyable.
>It's also my first time shooting a pistol, I've done shotguns and AR-15's before though.
>Friend comes out to check on us.
>I ask if he wants to try the pistol.
>He politely declines saying that he had an incident with a pistol and can't use them anymore.
>It was weird but he still tried the AR-15 and even gave me some pointers on how to shoulder an AR-15.
>At the end of the day when we're breaking down our targets and guns, his wife comes out and asks if her husband wasn't awkward or anything.
>She explains that he had a suicide attempt with a pistol and was he was talked out of it by her and the help of the police.
Dude saw some shit no one would ever want to see, I don't know what service he did but I hope he has a healthy outlet for it.
He still does hunting with hunting rifles no problem though, so I guess it's solely a pistols thing.
my pop tried to suicide with a revolver after his father died when he was a teenager. Missed his heart but took out a lung.
Your dad probably kidnaped women and children from a nearby village and forced them to run across minefields. That’s how the US demined in Vietnam and the Gulf War.
That's a tweaker. They're blown out of their minds and do weird shit.
When under enormous stress, your brain goes into emergency mode, using all senses available to the max to give you the maximum chance of survival.
Human mind isn’t designed for that, because it takes a shitton of energy and biological life minimizes energy expenditure as a rule. Our vision as an example mostly works to notice differences rather than take in everything you see. Your sense of touch is almost completely ignored; you never notice how your pants feel on your ass after you wear them, and you only notice temperature when it’s burning you. In rare moments of crisis all information intake is set to the maximum possible - think of it as a computer (brain) recording all logs it can (senses).
A trigger is a real thing - the mind gets triggered by circumstances that resemble the moment of stress in some way. It recalls part of that information, but the mind cannot make sense of it. It’s essentially trying to parse a huge memory dump that doesn’t fit in working memory. It comes out as jumbled nonsense, hence the loss of reality - the brain is overwhelmed by of data from the moment of stress. Instead of fireworks a veteran might act like he’s holding a nonexistent rifle and seeing nonexistent enemies because that’s the memory dump his brain is stuck on, and the brain is really fucking unprepared to process all of it.
For the most part it’s pretty easy to tell an actual attack from a larp. The various danger hairs that were ”almost raped” and so on that appropriate it for attention should be summarily executed for being shit human beings.
>the more you know
(Phone posted, can’t be bothered to proofread. Ask chatgpt if you’re too dumb to understand; it’s an interesting topic.)
A chat bot can help me understand my disorder
You should see the guys from WW2