PSA has confirmed that the PSA X57 will NOT be a "Chassis Gun", thank fricking God.
When I saw the prototype with the Rock slide in the chamber I was really scared, but no PSA has confirmed now that that's only a prototype and the PSA X57 will be a standalone upper that fits onto your Rock lower, it is not a Chassis System.
ok
how come Glock hasn't made an "SMG" upper that can fit on their glock frames?
Because Gaston Glock was the Bill Ruger of his organization
Now that his moronic ass is dead, maybe Glock will start making cool shit instead of coasting on their brand name
honestly im surprised they manage to run on the same fricking gun in diffrent configs for 40 years
just make the fricking glock 46
Glock hasn’t been involved with gun design and sales for years. He’s been messing around with horse semen sales. The company will most likely continue to make iterations of the same guns for years to come.
Because nobody with enough clout to put in an order for several thousand has asked them to.
The frick you mean by "rock lower"?
PSA produces a 5.7 pistol that they call "Rock".
This 5.7 PCC/SMG uses the same frame as the Rock does, while being a completely new upper; instead of being a "Chassis" that your handgun fits inside of, ala "Micro-roni" bullshit
I still don't understand everyones obsession with making a pistol into a PCC or rifle. Why do people want to take away the pistols strongest trait which is the compact concealability? Just to be able to shoulder it to deal with recoil that isnt even bad in the first place?
Are you asking why SMG's were made instead of just handguns?
why don't Glocks come with switches from the factory?
No, I said why take away the main advantage of a concealable pistol by tacking a bunch of shit on it, to act like it is suddenly more capable than it was, just because it has a bunch of shit on it? Also you can definitely get full auto Glocks from the factory.
its not taking away anything, its an entirely separate product.
thats like asking "why is the mp5 trying to take away from my 9mm glock"? Its not, it never has, you're just stupid
The MP5 isn't really used anymore (at least as compared to it's heyday). It comes from a time before widespread usage of short carbines. Another feature of an SMG that a PCC lacks is full auto.
so you'd rather shoot your "pistol" without a stock instead of with? why?
homie are you moronic?
thanks for proving me right again. you rabbis just keep popping up.
go on, just post "heh you dumb" again, we all see you.
Yes I'd rather shoot my pistol without a stock because the biggest advantage of a pistol is that I can conceal it on my person. Are you going to daily carry a PCC?
move on shill. don't you langley-gays have families?
I must've missed the latest mass schizo delusion. Disliking PCCs is a CIA op now?
No but YOU are blatantly a glowfed trying to stir up drama for no reason.
before 2022 anon discourse would be "i have a PCC" and then another anon would be like "okay i disagree but i hope you enjoy yourself" and now in 2024 its glowBlack folk like you that are going "PCC? FRICKING have a nice day ZIGGER. WE ONLY USE ONE TYPE OF WEAPON AND THIS AINT IT" glowBlack person homosexualry
I literally just asked a question and you freaked out for some reason. Now youre replying and acting like a douchebag to a completely different guy. Calm down dude...
>you're like....so rude!
have a nice day glowhomosexual
You have absolutely no reading comprehension. Im not talking about owning two entirely seperate guns. Im talking about "converting" a pistol with bulky frame parts to still have the capability of that pistol in a larger package. It would be like sticking an M107 chassis over a plain old AR15 and then acting like you suddenly have a big bad "sniper rifle".
>It would be like sticking an M107 chassis over a plain old AR15 and then acting like you suddenly have a big bad "sniper rifle".
because you'd have a fricking big bad sniper rifle that fires .50 over your .223 AR-15 while using the same serialized lower
you're absolutely fricking moronic
you're genuinely asking a fricking moronic question. Why would someone want something much easier to aim than their pistol? Why would someone want to quick and easy conversion of their pistol to a more effective weapon? Why would someone want more capability? Why would someone want a stable optics mounting platform instead of a slide ride optic?
>aggressive for no reason
yeah you're a shill. its literally only shills that talk like this.
before 2022 nobody was this aggressive in their posting.
I have been aggressive to morons all my online life
you appear to me, to own zero guns, to have zero shooting experience with either rifles or pistols. You have zero answer to my multiple reasons someone would want this.
false equivalency moron
this upper completely changes the firearm, you no longer have a exposed slide, you have a full length rail on top that does not move with the bolt/action, you have a longer threaded barrel, you have a pistol brace making it basically a SBR and the ATF can lick nuts in hell. all you need to do is hit the take down lever or whatever and swap slides/uppers.
5.7 is a niche caliber but it's "cheap" as .45 ACP now, it's high velocity making it a good round for longer range shooting as it drops less. As a varmint/very small game round, it's very attractive, high capacity in a small footprint as well. The fact you can now have a super short braced pistol in it is attractive.
he did not. the proposed "100% kill rate" was for people with center mass shots, which also last I heard was not true either. He killed people because he shot them multiple times in the chest. Not because of super duper 5.7 multiple wound vector magic.
whoever started this is genuinely moronic
if you were correct you wouldn't need to shill this hard.
nobody here is screaming "5.7 bad" but you.
Yes they were, /k/ has always had subset of weird perpetual seethers who get asshurt over nothing.
>chassis
okay but i already said this was not a Chassis gun so what are you crying about?
Chassis or upper conversion is the same principle in this scenario. The gun would still be a 5.7 pistol caliber.
This fricking goober is the kind of guy that thinks if he puts a Ferrari bodykit on a Miata that its suddenly becomes a Ferrari. Lmao
>5.7 pistol bad
hi glowBlack person you afraid of another naval base shooting? homie with the 5.7 scored 100% kill rate with his 5.7 handgun, is that why you're here?
Hey goofball all I said is no matter what kind of dress you put on your 5.7 pistol. In is still just a 5.7 pistol. Not the fancy "smg" you wish it was.
>barrel length and a stock dont matter
frick off moron
>B-but on Warzone the bigger barrel means it does more damage! And I NEED the stock because I dont lift and can't possibly handle the brutal recoil of a 5.7! >:(
again, the stock isn't about recoil you fricking no guns
And here we are back at the start where I ask "why? Or what benefit does it have as a tradeoff against the primary advantage of pistol calibers which is concealability?" Only answer if youre not going to get your panties in a bunch this time.
Israel isn't a real nation and israelites are just LARPing east euros.
Zelenskyy is going to hang. Ban me for off topic now, its been a week since last time
you need to go fricking shooting kid.
this is a chassis. the glock slide is the same, the barrel is the same there is a fake barrel making it harder to stick your hand in front of it but the barrel length does not change. the slide reciprocates inside the chassis, as if the chassis wasn't there.
In what we were told about the Rock, this will not be the case despite the prototypes looking like a chassis. If anything, PSA probably cut away most of a rock slide so you'll have as light as possible reciprocating mass inside the chassis, while retaining rock compatibility of parts and no need to reinvent the wheel. This is still not a chassis as a normal Rock slide will not work.
Ive made it blatantly clear that I know the difference in a chassis and a conversion. Youre just dancing around the fact that neither of these things is making that pistol caliber any more than a pistol caliber. Thats it, end of story.
>Youre just dancing around the fact that neither of these things is making that pistol caliber any more than a pistol caliber.
what the frick are you talking about
he's just a moronic shill who's entire point is "no this thing the federal government didn't approve of isn't good" because he's a government shill.
You are unbelievably moronic. If anything the government fears the smaller and concealable weapons (see SBR's). Not your overdressed and no longer as easily concealable goofy pistol (PCC,smg,long barreled stocked pistol) or whatever you want to call it.
I could probably appendix carry it.
You can also shove an AR down your pants, good luck drawing it though.
Kek, you post absurd things, but blacks actually do this
This goes beyond your moron laws moron. The gun in the OP and your gay conversion kits are SMG cope, and no one would buy this crap over a real smg if they were available. Lipstick on a pig, the gun.
they would buy a full auto X57 if they could, yes.
Shoot a handgun at 10 yards
Shoot a long gun at 10 yards
Compare groups
no guns
you're stupid
>Also you can definitely get full auto Glocks from the factory.
would you just look at the balls on this guy?! what a raging badass who i will surely take advice from in the future. please from now on choose a nickname and a trip code by typing this into the 'Name' field;
>delete "Name" (i think it's already taken on this server)
>replace without quotes with this line "*Nickname You'd Like - NG (might still be available if you're lucky!! :^)) !!"password here"
after doing this small change, we will all know you as your new name and recognize that it's really you because your password will show up. Take a gander at mine to get an idea how it should work ;^) and have fun!
>why don't Glocks comes with switches from the factory
the NFA
>Just to be able to shoulder it to deal with recoil that isnt even bad in the first place?
Aiming is much much easier when you can shoulder it. Do you own guns?
5.7 is nerfed in a pistol length barrel. Really the pistol was a secondary complement to the P90 that was the original and main entry into the PDW program in the 90s. Also true for HK’s MP7 and the 4.6x30mm pistol.
Those mag in grip guns need spicier ammo though. 5.7 and 4.6 are both underwhelming even out of 7-10 inch barrels. Much more potent stuff can be made for the same (or similar) action length. Start with a high pressure 30 carbine case and you can get energies around 800-900ft*lbs
>tacking a bunch of shit on it, to act like it is suddenly more capable than it was
Probably bait but in the case that you are actually moronic and truly believe that a pcc isn't any more capable than a handgun, sometimes people just like to have fun. And I don't really understand why you're comparing it to a handgun in the first place when that's not what it is or what it's meant to be.
>why even buy *anything not a handgun* if you can't conceal it
See
It's been discussed ad nauseam at this point
I hope this is easily convertible to select fire (for licensed SOTs)
It's gonna happen. Its what the market demands. Once these drop you're gonna be seeing lots of "psa 5.7 switches" on aliexpress
Select fire is coming for everything at this rate
theres a concept for a AK drop in auto sear
cool story, you sound like every other shill on /k/
vague insult with no substance.
>We have an MP7 at home
>It's not a chassis system even though it uses the exact same internals as a rock pistol
I don't think they know what non-chassis means
it's not a chassis as the slide and barrel change, the frame is the same. A chassis fits around the slide and the slide becomes a pseudo bolt.
Thats the biggest pedantic splitting of hairs I've ever heard
anon dont bother, the shills here have already decided their reality and will call you a shill for saying otherwise.
apparently the mp7 is stupid now because its just a PSA Rock, they're both just 5.7 "pistol" you know?
>Omg shills everywhere, everyone is a fed! Ahhhhhh
The mental illness is real. Also the MP7 isnt chambered in 5.7 you absolute fricking dingleberry.
>arguing against a point literally nobody made
peak israeli /k/ energy.
i hope you rabbis enjoy the throne of shit you've made.
/misc/ and sharty tards really just can t help themselves the mindbreak is real. If it helps calm your autism then I denounce the talmud and I believe everyone should be able to own anything then want and that all 3 letter agencies are oppressive entities that need to be abolished.
In the simplest terms possible ill try to ask again.
Pistol=small and concealable(good)
Why take away that advantage with the extra bits?
you own no fricking guns, do you understand how much a stock makes things easier to shoot, tied in with a fixed/frame mounted optic where it doesn't have to reciprocate with the slide of a firearm.
YOU ARE STUPID AND SHOULD NOT COMMENT ON FIREARMS YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH. That is why I'm calling you so stupid, you obviously have no idea what shooting a pistol accurately, rapidly entails and how you could improve a pistol to do that.
Just maybe, people aren't concerned about concealing a gun? Maybe they own many guns and have no need for every "pistol" they own to be "concealable".
>Pistol=small and concealable(good)
don't forget, pistol = small and concealable and much worse to shoot than a rifle due to it not having a stock
like come the frick on dude. have you ever tried shooting a pistol at 25 yards or longer? What were your groups? Have you also tried it with a rifle?
And on this thread's topic
https://x.com/KelTecOfficial/status/1750244648491389243?s=20
Keltec throws down it's gauntlet.
>like come the frick on dude. have you ever tried shooting a pistol at 25 yards or longer?
Yeah I have because im a fricking competition pistol shooter. Lmao
I don't care what kind of crutch you need to feel better. Nobody is using stocks in competitive pistol shooting regardless of how much "easier" it would be or whatever. Feel free to keep explaining why you personally cant shoot a pistol without the assistance though. The cope is hilarious.
No you're not
they can't use stocks because they're banned moron
the esteemed black warriors of this great land can do it.
>no you're not
Kek, nice argument, about how I expected this to do.Either way enjoy your purchase anon. I dont really care what you do with your own money. Just maybe work on reigning in that turbosperg attitude when someone asks a simple question. Also not everyone is a fed or israelite or whatever your personal boogeyman is. Have a nice night.
>claims to be a comp shooter
>doesn't seem to understand that the reason you can't use a pistol with a stock on it is because they don't consider that a pistol
I'm curious what sport you're claiming to compete in here because mbic if you could throw a stock on it every single division that allowed it would be nothing but PCCs tomorrow lmao.
just checked the rule book, they're not banned, I've alerted Ben Stoeger and everyone tomorrow will be shooting with pistol braces
Wow, its almost like we have reached the origin of the original question. Why try to make a pistol into a PCC instead of keeping the pistol as a pistol and getting a PCC in a rifle caliber.
Yeah, I guess I could've worded it like that and made it more understandable. Didn't really expect the whole /misc/ tier freakout to be fair though. Lol
>instead of keeping the pistol as a pistol and getting a pistol caliber carbine in a rifle caliber.
bro, you’re just embarrassing yourself further.
in every division that PCCs are allowed to be used on pistol targets they absolutely dominate
oh no, it's chambered in a super fricking obscure caliber which no civilian firearms exist in the united states making the only ammo supply for Police/Federal Agencies. sure got him with that. People would rather have a 5.7 over a 4.6, especially with the momentum of 5.7 gaining more and more popularity each year.
have you ever gone shooting
>it uses the exact same internals as a rock pistol
it doesn't. its a 5.7 upper that fits on a rock lower.
do you think a vp9 and a glock 17 are the same weapon becaue they're both semi-auto 9mm's?
the Rock lower is just functioning as a FCG, registered receiver, and magwell for a new gun
>with the Rock slide in the chamber
You sound like a noguns homosexual
>hurrr whats a chassis
frick yourself Black person
I'd be more excited about this if it didn't look like a weird 2001 eurojank pc game version of an mp7.
In terms of, I would love to have an mp7 in 5.7, and I will probably buy one of these if the price is reasonable and the reviews are good as I already own an LC Charger so I'm invested in the caliber and mags. But the whole thing, like every dimension, is just off in some way compared to an mp7x starting with the fact that the entire thing looks slightly too small. And I understand that the rock mags probably wouldn't feed with curvature that more resembled an mp7 but having the mag cant forward slightly below the grip would probably go a long way to getting the look right.
Again all that said, I'm already invested in the caliber and have a gun that is compatible with these magazines so if nothing else, I'm excited for factory 40rd mags.
>yes and you say it isn't a chassis gun despite that obviously being a pistol slide
is there something wrong with Rock Slide USA's slides?