https://x.com/palmettoarmory/status/1745913302943711675?s=20
What do you think theyll price it at? Never been an AK guy but the Ak74-su is special. My body is ready.
PSA announces Krink clone
https://x.com/palmettoarmory/status/1745913302943711675?s=20
What do you think theyll price it at? Never been an AK guy but the Ak74-su is special. My body is ready.
Is that actual wood in the handguard?
They've been announced since last SHOT show, hell even before. They're going to be around $1250 if I had to guess.
>$1250
they aren't even charging that for any of the other AKs they produce, why do you think the price would be so comically high?
There is absolutely zero way they would come in on that price, you can buy objectively better shorty AKs from infinitely better brands for that price, it would kill the gun's market immediately.
Because it's a fricking krink clone? What other options do you have for a krink anywhere near $1250? They're going to try to charge $2k plus for their ugly STG lookalike rifle. Just because they have regular models priced at one thing doesnt mean theyre going to price everything that low, their JAKL rifle is over $1k and it's no where near as desirable as a krink. $1250 is not "comically high" you're just poor.
>moronic argument
>ad hominem
yep, its moron.
1250 for an absolutely shit knockoff made of shit materials that looks like shit with the bonus of it being made by poorhomosexual state armory, there is no way that thing sells at $1,250, and they would be more moronic than you if they priced it at that.
These aren't being made for collectors, these are made for the masses. The masses have no idea what a krink is, they will see $1,250 and not understand why its twice the price of Dracos and 30% more than yugos.
be less of a fricking idiot
You know frick all about the market and it's painfully obvious.
If you dig around in the website code their MSRP is $1,099.99
Well $1100 is a nicer price but I knew that shit wasnt going to be priced lower than $1k for sure, theres too much demand for them that selling for under $1k would be a mistake if they want to get the most profit out of them
sauce on this?
is this done with inspect element or something?
They announced a Krink clone YEARS ago. I know because every year it didn't come out my excitement waned.
Now with the 5.45 import bans I don't even want the thing, so I guess they saved me some money.
kinda sucks unless a new source of 5.45 makes it into the US
>kinda sucks unless a new source of 5.45 makes it into the US
Isn't PSA supposed to start mfg it?
Would be nice if they made steel case boxer primed for cheaper and brass case also boxer primed.
They announced 2 years ago and production was supposed to start -6 months ago
2 MORE WEEKS
they're making it in 5.56, 5.45, x39, and 300 BO
i can finally have a real life VSS. Hopefully they make an integrally suppressed version
Why do midwits think .300blk is in any way comparable to 9x39 lmao
.300blk is basically america reverse-engineering 7.62x39 to work in STANAGs, buddy.
9x39 fires ~270gr bullets at ~1000fps. Supposedly the gucci rounds will pen armor despite this but that's mostly apocryphal and we have literally zero western testing I'm aware proving or disproving this.
Rounds like 8.6 blackout or .338 whisper are far more analogous to 9x39 than fricking .300blk is.
.300 blackout would be the best option for an American VSS clone just because of logistics and the fact that subsonic loadings are readily available. No one cares about armor penetration. 300 blackout also has similar dimensions and profile to 9x39 so the mags would look right as well.
I'd be fine with a .45acp VSS clone, but that would make the magazines look wonky of course.
You know I actually started typing up a whole reply about all the reasons you're wrong but I changed my mind
If you want the moron PSA krink to try and convince yourself that it's similar to a gun that it shares basically no characteristics with, externally or internay, go ahead and buy one. It will not fill the void left by the unobtanium meme gun from stalker, because nothing will.
I say all this as a person who wants a VSS and Vikhr very badly and has just learned to accept that sometimes we just dont get everything that we want.
>You know I actually started typing up a whole reply about all the reasons you're wrong but I changed my mind
I accept your concession.
>If you want the moron PSA krink
Nah. M92 master race.
A .300 blackout VSS would still sell though.
.350 Legend is 9x39 if you want heavy subsonic bullets. .300 BO is the goto subsonic caliber due to the easy conversion and available ammo, meanwhile 7.62x39 subsonic ammo is basically non existent and works poorly in AKs.
People bring up suppressed guns when talking about suppressed guns, which by default mention .300 BO. Deal with it.
>one of these dumb fricks that calls 7.62x39 "x39". You realize 5.45 is also x39? There's also 9x39. You're as bad as all those boomers that call everything "30 cal". Triggers me so hard.
I do hate the homosexuals that say x39 to refer to 7.62x39.
I just say ".30 Soviet short"
There already is new 5.45 coming in from Azerbaijan, and there are opportunities for importers to capitalize on in other countries as well. ROMARM produces 5.45 FMJ (non steel core) that would be available for import, if someone could work out a deal. The Bishkek Stamping Plant in Kyrgyzstan is a viable option, if those deals are worked out, and there are others. It just takes the right importer wanting to bring enough in (since like with any other business, if you want it to be cheap enough to be able to move on the market you're gonna have to buy a shitload from them, and especially with ammo you have to make it worth their while) to motivate one of these foreign manufacturers to strike a deal.
>At launch we are going to have 5.56 versions only
LOL
Good, ain't nobody buying $1/Round 5.45 in the US.
5.56 AK's are worse than every other modern 5.56 rifle available, one of the AK's only benefits is that it is basically made for 7.62 or 5.45
>buying the krink for practical purposes
Well yes, but thats the point. It's entirely impractical with half of it's purpose being that its supposed to be in 5.45. A 5.56 Krink is the worst of both worlds, neither practical nor a faithful reproduction.
caliber doesn't matter when magdumping into trash
I'd prefer you call her Susan.
5.45 was the soviet answer to 5.56 nooblet. A krink clone in the most available rifle cartridge in america DOES make sense.
no, the appeal is that it looks cool and is very compact. 5.45 has nothing going for it, for all intents and purposes it's more expensive 5.56. 7.62x39 is appealing because it's cheap
>faithful reproduction
it's not full auto so it's already not a a faithful reproduction. 5.56 is very similar to 5.45 and 5.56 mags will have the same curvature to them as 5.45 mags at least so they gun won't look massively different
>5.56 is very similar to 5.45
No it isn’t, 5.56 AKs are much less reliable due to the different taper of the cartridge
>and 5.56 mags will have the same curvature to them as 5.45 mags at least
They don’t.
>5.56 AKs are much less reliable due to the different taper of the cartridge
fuddlore stemming from kvar bring morons and installing the wrong bullet guide on the first 106 imports
You can even use 5.45 bakelite and plum surplus mags in 5.56 AKs, they work great especially if you buy the 5.45 ---> 5.56 conversion followers for the mags.
>No it isn’t, 5.56 AKs are much less reliable due to the different taper of the cartridge
Holy frick this guy is misinformed, that got solved years and years ago they're now reliable.
Exactly. /k/ has fallen pretty hard to have people shilling a krink of all things in 5.56.
/k/ has mostly gotten over it's slavshit hipster ways, you mean. There's zero reason to pay for a 5.45 AK when you can get one in 5.56 for cheaper, with better availability of ammo.
This. /k/ was way more into slavshit pre-2010 and even through the mid-2010’s back when Mosin Nagants could be had for less than $100, SKS’s were like 300-400, and all surplus Russian ammos were cheap and plentiful.
I bought my first gun (M91/30) as a poor college student back in 2012. It was about $200 and came with a 440rnd spam can. My next gun was an SKS I remember paying about $350 for.
Those prices are gone, and 5.45 is kill. Nowadays, the cheap entry-level stuff is PSA AR’s (I guess? I don’t know if there are too many anons coming here for first gun recommendations anymore.)
Why in the year of our lord would you choose 5.45 over 5.56 in an AK if you have the option, aside from being an absolute turbo-autist, which would automatically make you a non-factor for the PSA Krink since you'd be trying to snatch up a parts kit? 5.56 and 5.45 are similar enough for recreational purposes that they're essentially the same thing, except, you know, 5.45 has been fricking dead here for years courtesy of the import ban. Christ you can even make it visually impossible to tell you even have a 5.56 AK by just taking a 5.45 mag and swapping out the follower. I've been wanting a Afghan War AK-74 for a while now and I'll likely get a kit off israelitebroker, buy a 5.56 barrel from Green Mountain and some bakelite 5.45s, then have a smith assemble it all and swap the mag followers. I will have an AK-74 that shoots an identical round while paying half the cost and having shitloads more options and availability. There is fricking no reason to pick 5.45 over 5.56 in 2024 unless you're the biggest slavaboo imaginable.
It's not the point and you're inability to know that is the erssue.
Would fit in a backpack nicely. That's pretty practical to me.
what? I keep this next to my bed.
its handy as frick.
I like my 5.56 AK. 🙁
moron. People don't buy 5.56 AKs to compete with ARs. They buy them because they want in AK in a round that's readily available. 5.45 is dead in the US and 7.62 isn't nearly as good.
I'm going to get crapped on but i really like the m90 and would use it as an alternative to an ar-15. It's a good gun in my opinion and quite reliable.
The m90 is the least stupid 5.56 AK.
In the mid 2010s there were M90s with factory mag adapters that let them run STANAGs, that's maybe the least stupid 5.56 AK that's ever been sold in America. There's not necessarily anything wrong with 5.56 AKs per se, it's just that in the States buying any 5.56 gun that doesn't use the standardized, reliable mags you can get for under $10 each is fricking stupid.
And to be clear I say this as a massive AKgay.
Love me M90. Been abusing it in the woods since the day I got it and zero hiccups in rain/snow/mud etc. A little heavy for what it is but whatever
>the want an AK in a round that's readily available
7.62x39 is readily available, dude. And unlike 5.56 AKs, good 7x62x39 mags are ALSO readily available AND cheap.
shit steel cased 7.62x39 is around the same price as PMC X-TAC 5.56.
This is the killer, I enjoy shooting my AKM kit build but I realize every shot of dogshit steelcased Tula I send downrange is the cost equivalent of a brass M193 spec 5.56 round.
Anon are you implying PMC isn't shit ammo? Good lord lol
It's all range-tier shit for plinking.
Yeah PMC is fricking trashy ammo, it's literally like one of the cheapest brass case boxes you can get.
It shits all over Tula, which I think is the point.
Shit case runs just fine out of my rifles, I dont think I've even had a single round fail in tens of thousands. Maybe one or two honestly but still, I just clean my guns a little bit more.
If all you're going for is reliable ignition then sure I guess
Hole looks the same to me, I just shoot he cheapest shit out of my rifles and clean them good.
>I just shoot he cheapest shit out of my rifles
And this makes you qualified to discuss ammo quality because...
Because PMC is part of the cheap shit I shoot that's why! Do you not understand? IM SHOOTING THR SHIT!!!
The fact you're having trouble wrapping your head around PMC Bronze =/= XTAC is some of the funniest shit I've seen here all day
I shoot XTAC too dickhead, it's cheap shit as well.
Look boy, if anything costs less than federal I shoot it.
Tula
>steel shit can't be reloaded
>5 moa
>dirty as frick
PMC XTAC
>Brass cased can be reloaded
>not dirty
>2 MOA, accurate enough for a fighting rifle
>made to an actual spec and not underloaded
I don't know how you shop for ammo Anon but I see Tula and Wolf on ammoseek right now.
>tula
I haven't seen tula x39 in over a year dude. I agree with you that tula is shit but PMC is extremely comparable to shit like barnaul wolf
>I haven't seen tula x39 in over a year dude
Yes you have, you've just been seeing the half-dozen rebrands it goes under.
>PMC is extremely comparable to shit like barnaul wolf
XTAC is in no way, shape or form comparable.
Anon, their XTAC line is the same shit they make for ROKAF. Its literally milspec ammo. That's more than you can say for Tula steel cased. Its not match grade but it isn't shit. It's also the minimum I'll buy.
XTAC isn't exactly shit dude, it's essentially 5.56 M193, not some steel case .223 load that's so underloaded it causes short-stroking in 10.5 builds with ungaped gas ports.
Damn I triggered the frick out of the "shoots dogshit ammo out of bottom of the barrel ARs but acts like I run Mk262 whenever somebody tries to debate calibers" crowd lmao
Anon just because you know dick about ammo beyond whether it goes bang or not while you shoot at empty milk jugs at 15y doesn't mean everyone else is as clueless as you.
I actually shoot 77gr otm through my guns poorgay.
Stop thinking you're better than the AKgays. You aren't. Your training ammo is not duty ammo and no amount of coping will fix that.
Anon I'm starting to wonder if you shoot anything at all, let alone OTM.
Post guns lol
You too
>filename
Lmao
Still not seeing any guns
Because POI shift with lighter loads is a pain in the ass and I can afford to
I don't try to flex my stuff to other men, I'm not gay. Which is pretty unbelievable considering I frequent this board.
noguns
Lol
Great thread guys very typical of the quality I've come to expect from palmetto state armory
>Oh no he call me noguns! I guess I'll just do what he says because he le hurt my ego.
Lol homosexual
>claims to shoot Mk262
>posts salty AKs
.....do you not see the AR lol
Nope, go ahead and post your stolen image again so I can get a good look.
>t-t-t-t-the timestamp's fake!
Lmao
It's 1/16/24 dumbass
Is it worth getting a PSA AKV-9?
>AKV-9
That's a Draco
And no don't buy PSA AKs they're bad.
>And no don't buy PSA AKs they're bad.
Mad that you spent so much on a WASR when a PSA is good enough and way cheaper?
>WASR
lol
I changed my mind you should buy an AKV actually.
Cope
yeah
>And no don't buy PSA AKs they're bad.
It's dishonest to call PSA AKs bad at this point. You can instead say things like "I don't like them because they're not an authentic AK" or "I don't like them because they're a poverty option and I prefer to buy guns that allow me to flex on poor people".
Calling them bad makes you come across as uniformed.
Their non 7.62 AKs have an extremely bad track record, and their 7.62 AKs have a still pretty bad track record. They've come a long way but I see posts various places at least once a week of somebody having completely unacceptable QC problems from PSA AKs. From my observations I think the 7.62 guns are the least likely ones to give you problems, and there's no reason that any given rifle you buy from them might not be totally fine, but PSA's business model has always been passing the QC onto their customers and trusting their profit margins to be good enough to cover warranty issues.
>I don't like them because they're a poverty option and I prefer to buy guns that allow me to flex on poor people".
You're projecting here. I paid $450 for that draco. A quick google shows me the going rate is ~$750 today. If you include the cost of adding a brace to it, that gets you to probably a grand. Close to the same deal with a ZUSA M92, about $1100 with a brace on it. An AKP GF3 with the brace installed is $950-$1050 just checking PSA's website.
There's just no reason to buy the PSA, it's a negligible price difference vs much higher quality imported guns
And again I wanna be clear I have nothing against PSA as a company. Their ARs can be a solid budget option and the Dagger has completely altered the budget pistol market for the better. Again it's just a matter of: the QC check is 100% on YOU as the customer
I own rifles with PSA components on them. I just think their AKs are absolutely nowhere near where they need to be to be worth it.
Now there's some lipstick on a pig if I've ever seen it...
>lipstick on a pig
I have an M4gery like that
I was talking about the AK, the shit on it is worth like 4 of the rifle it's on.
SBR'd Dracos are good.
You wanna talk lipstick on a pig? I did a Mk18 Mod 0 build on a frickin PSA 10.5" upper lol. I spent twice as much on the peq2a as I did on the upper. Frick I spent more on the RAS, CompM2, and LMT rear sight each individually on the upper. It's my dumbest 2 stamp build.
The zenitco'd draco SBR is at least a good gun lol.
>PSA meme lower
>PSA M4 upper + lpk
>Total: $350
>ACOG alone costs double that
>imageboard format filename
>zero results found
You cropped someone else's pic, didn't you.
No you don't. You know how I can tell? Because the people with the budget to shoot quality ammunition and know enough to buy it dont do that. There is zero point to training with mk262. And anyone who claims to is a poor or noguns and lying. You don't get to be wealthy by wasting money unnecessarily.
And that's why nobody should listen to you.
So is lakecity cheap too? Because its the same shit. Does the army shoot cheap ammunition?
>Does the army shoot cheap ammunition
Yes they fricking do kek, do you know what "military grade" means?
>hurr durr military grade means cheapest bidder gottem
Then what is Tula moron?
Anon if you didn't want people to know you are a moron then you should have kept your mouth shut. PMC makes ammo for the Korean army. They do use M193. Their ammo is to the same spec as any other contract M193. XTAC is the line that ammo is sold under and its comparable to lake city because they make it to the same standard. Now go back to back to playing tarkov. This board is for adults.
I dont have to steal someone else's pic.
>he doesnt know the military uses the cheapest shit that works in a lot of cases
And Tula is cheap dogshit ammo just like PMC X-TAC
You're moronic.
You're moronic too if you don't think X-TAC is cheap ammo, it's not Tula quality of cheap but it's for sure cheap.
> it's not Tula quality
Then why did you say it was, moron. English not your first language?
Where did I say it was Tula quality of dogshit? I just said it's cheap ammo, that's my only point. It's better than Tula, I never said it wasnt. Assume much?
So English isn't your first language then.
Go ahead and find 1 (one) example of anyone in this thread saying "Tula is the same quality as X-TAC" without having to rely on an assumption or implication. Because no one ever said that.
Here
And
Now please have a nice day
Anon, the argument is if Tula is comparable to XTAC because they are the same price. The answer is no. XTAC is basically as cheap as you should go for serious ammo. Whereas Tula is cheap garbage only suitable for shooting into garbage with.
At literally no point in this entire thread has anyone but you said "tula is comparable to xtac" my guy
>At literally no point in this entire thread has anyone but you said "tula is comparable to xtac" my guy
You might be moronic, buddy
holy shit you really might have toddler level reading comprehension
>calling 2 types of ammo cheap dogshit means they're both the same quality
You assumed that's what I meant, which I didnt. So your assumption is wrong.
Source: I'm the guy who said it.
Then I'm afraid you need to call up your English teachers for failing you because this is a tragic level of stunted communication ability
You have tragic levels of assuming instead of reading and understanding what a sentence means. Reading comprehension is important too, anon.
....anon if I say
>X is [adjective] just like Y
then it can directly be inferred that you are saying X and Y are comparable in that mentioned trait. you may not have MEANT that, but that's what you implied and it's completely baffling you don't understand this
Sounds like an assumption bud, don't know what to tell ya. Maybe you should uhhh stop assuming so much?
no, it's really just basic reading comprehension. sorry.
Nope
You know what bro... I think I have fricking argued with you before some time back. You did this exact same fricking thing where you twist an argument to mean something else and then assume everything I was saying was in direct disagreement with you. In actuality we were literally in agreement but you just couldnt see that because you have a mental illness or some shit. It all makes sense now.
what the actual frick are you talking about?
Heh it allll makes sense now, yes sir. I feel like Scoony Doo discovering that the creature was really some dumbass they met at the beginning of the episode.
Then you are very stupid. You described two things in equal terms. How are they not the same?
Do you understand 2 things can be both the same and different?
>call two things dogshit
>use equal terms to describe them
>but I actually meant completely different words
Then use different words you moron. Holy shit.
>argument is if Tula is comparable to XTAC
This guy's a machine lol
moron. That's literally how this started.
Again at literally. No. Point. Did anyone say "Tula is just as good as XTAC"
You are fighting a straw man.
>what "military grade" means?
Significantly higher quality than Tula
>Does the army shoot cheap ammunition?
>Thinks the army issues m193
>still arguing that shit PMC is "basically the same" as m193
Lol
And the Army hasn't really used M193 since like fricking 'nam lmao, this dude is a trip
>still arguing that shit PMC is "basically the same" as m193
anon everyone has been saying that there is more than one offering from PMC for AR food...you have your "bronze" .223 and you have your XTAC which is literally m193 spec. it's documented. you have no clue what you're arguing about.
So is Winchester white box, as a matter of fact doesn't the US military gets ammo from winchester? If you're trying to convince me that stinky ass shit ammo is worth a frick then you might as well be trying to convince a darkie to get a job.
holy shit dude people are saying you're moronic for saying M193 is comparable to Tula quality when we have DOCUMENTED PROOF that it's far better. stop being an angry moron jfc.
Lol he thinks he's only arguing with one guy holy shit
It's funny as frick when someone has to actually make a valid argument against one message at a time. These dudes are just use to shooting fallacy and garbage analogies left and right to get their "point" across, kinda hard when it's multiple people who think you're a moron.
I did not say that, m193 is way better than fricking any shitcase ammo that's undeniable. I'm saying that the Army does in fact use cheap ammo and it hasnt even been M193 for a fricking whiiile.
>m193 is way better than fricking any shitcase ammo that's undeniable
we're on the same page there, I'm meaning to argue with the dude spazzing out and insisting otherwise who pretends to train with OTM constantly
>we have DOCUMENTED PROOF that it's far better
May we see it
>If you're trying to convince me that stinky ass shit ammo is worth a frick
You are braindead if you think Tula is better than M193 and whatever coping and ranting you do won’t change that. You look stupid, just stop.
>samegayging this hard in a dead thread
>everyone who calls me stupid is samegayging
Or I’m late to the party and catching up on calling you dumb
>I actually shoot 77gr otm through my guns
why?
>I actually shoot 77gr otm through my guns
Like, when you're training and doing courses? Why the frick would you do that? No one does that.
Just if I'm going past 200 which I do most range trips.
I'm just not coping that bad ammo is good ammo actually.
Let's see your boxes of it then buddy.
>no I’m not wrong
>everyone else is just stupid
Sure anon. Sure
XTAC and pmc bronze are completely different. First off both are more accurate than Tula 7.62x39. More importantly xtac is literally M193 spec which is way better than Tula
>every single gun I own has to be tactically tactical and ballistically mega maxxed, I can't own guns for fun!
>x39 rounds cost out the ass
>5.56/.223 is still readily available
Mongoloid
No one's buying a fricking Krinkov for anything other than cool-factor, and why do you think 5.45 does any better out of short barrels than 5.56?
All fricking larpers must fricking hang
worst posts i've seen on /k/ in awhile
>one of the AK's only benefits is that it is basically made for 7.62 or 5.45
My brother in Christ the ammo is one of the AK's biggest handicaps currently. 5.45 is stupidly priced and has fewer options than 5.56 despite being so much like it, and 7.62 is basically limited to archaic M43 loads with a lobbed grapefruit trajectory and inferior accuracy.
Loads based on M67 are pretty common actually
But more choices would be nice. I miss 17cpr subsonics
I'm shocked these posts had such a negative response. I ditched an SA7M5R for a WASR for this exact reason. The SA7M5R was just my AR but shitty, but the WASR is its own thing. I shot my WASR in 2023 more than I shot my SA7M5R any year I owned it.
>The SA7M5R was just my AR but shitty
????
I have both AKs and ARs too and the caliber doesn't make the gun. Completely different experiences. My 7.62x39 AK wouldn't stop feeling like or being an AK if it was 5.56. Frankly your post confuses me.
you went from 5.56 to 7.62 which actually shows a big difference, the big problem with those two posts is that it pretends 5.45 and 5.56 aren't basically analogues for one another and interchangeable in recoil, trajectory and function. the first post is particularly weird since it also implies that 5.45 and 5.56 AKs aren't pretty much identical in performance.
>pretty much identical in performance.
maybe in a 16", not in pistol length. at 10-12" the 223 has lost like half its velocity from 20"
...what do you think 5.45 does, anon? out of an 8" krink barrel it has ~2400-2600fps at the muzzle, which is right about where 5.56 stands. where did this idea that 5.45 performs meaningfully better out of short barrels than 5.56 come from?
Anon....you do realize that 5.45 was the Soviets just chasing trends and copying 5.56 right? It's a functionally similar cartridge with similar benefits and limitations. Krinks have lethality issues just like shorty ARs and for the same exact reasons. A 30 cal Krink would have been the smart thing to do from the start but it was an afterthought PDW not a highspeed cool guy gun so they didn't bother.
Post 5.45 velocity by barrel length
>all those assmad replies
Holy shit, I'm laughing, asking for authenticity and the real AK experience in a real AK cartridge is triggering? What the actual frick, why?
post your 5.45 AKs anon
It's a PSA repro you dumb homosexual, not a "real" AK
>*screams in Canadian *
Hell it is like 52-55cwnts a round after shipping and taxes here if you buy 1000
Smart. 5.45 is going to be nonexistent soon
PSA is supposedly going to be making their own in-house 5.45 but who knows when we'll see that and even if we do that's one of like...three providers for it. There's a reason the '74 scene has been an imploded wreck for the last few years.
>There's a reason the '74 scene has been an imploded wreck for the last few years.
Yet part kits are still priced ridiculously high, feels bad man
Yeah, I recently looked into AKS-74 kits for an Afghan War build I've been thirsting for and I just about wept. It's even worse for Krinks. I should've known it would be nasty after I saw how much just the trunnions for a Russian AKM were going for a few years back when that was my current project.
Yall are fricking morons. We buy krinks because of the novelty behind it. No one is going to use it for serious shooting. The low availability of 5.45 isn't even that bad. Plus it'll improve in the future. Quit acting like boomers.
I'm a man. My 1911 is in .45 Automatic Colt Pistol, my Tactical Tupperware is in 9 Million Motors and my AKs are in Godless commie calibers. Heh heh, yep siree.
>We buy krinks because of the novelty behind it.
And you could enjoy that same novelty more for the same price if it’s in 5.56. Quite literally more than twice as much
>plus it’ll improve in the future
Explain why genius
>5.56
call me when it's in 5.45
>yes I know the cons of 5.54, no I don't care
Exactly.
>We made it affordable to shoot, practical, takes ar-15 magazines and accessories, shoots 77gr smks out to 1000, etc etc
Cool call me when you make a piece of shit communist gun from GoldenEye that I can shoot cold war era cat piss reeking ammo out of and hang in my den.
If I want an affordable rifle in 5.56, I'll shoot one of ARs. The point of the AK is to shoot the cat piss commshit ammo, that the charm. 5.56 aks make be as hard as a sponge in a wet sink
>The point of the AK is to shoot the cat piss commshit ammo, that the charm.
I've owned five AKs over the years, currently own three. This is a fricking weird take. I own AKs because of their aesthetic, history and their unique shooting experience. None of that goes away if I shoot 5.56 instead of 5.45 out of a brand new production AK. It's also especially weird when you consider that the "cat piss commshit ammo" is now STARTING at 80 cents a pop. Where the frick is the charm in that?
>Where the frick is the charm in that?
Aesthetic, charm, and history in shooting ammunition manufactured in a dead empire that once challenged the existence of the west. 80cpr is nothing for that experience. You claim to be an enthusiast yet cannot understand that concept? Curious.
If I wanted a 5.56 AK I'd shoot a M85. Krinkovs belong in 5.45 and your seething about practicality won't change that. It's simply a gun to ENJOY nostalgia. It doesn't need ammunition commonality with ARs for the boogalo or whatever gay shit people imagine.
It's hyperbole sperglord. Get tested so you can get your 5.45 ammunition budget paid for by the gov.
>Reeee buy this thing instead of the thing you want.
No. Also M85s exist.
>It doesn't need ammunition commonality with ARs for the boogalo or whatever gay shit people imagine.
it's impressive how you really don't seem to understand that 5.45 is 80 cents a pop and that people would want it in 5.56 just so they wouldn't have to put up with that, but then again crippling autism is a hell of a drug
I'm sorry for your moronation anon. Post your AKs.
>Krinkovs belong in 5.45
Well isn't it dandy then that you can get one in 5.45 as well and enjoy dropping 90 cents per after shipping, while the people that don't want to get their buttholes gaped by an objectively overpriced round can shoot it at half the cost and make it so you wouldn't even know unless you looked at the spent casings on the range floor. Isn't that swell, anon?
>to shoot the cat piss commshit ammo,
You mean the stuff that won’t exist soon?
>that the charm
I always thought shooting was the charm but what do I know
>takes ar-15 magazines
Does that look like an AR15 mag in the video you blind homosexual
ar15 mags are gay as frick compared to other similar mags. flimsy and craptastic. I'd rather have metal lipped '74 mags.
Me too.
Sounds like they don't want a krink tbh senpai.
Seethe
Post your AKs.
Post the AKs anon
Why don't 45 rd 5.56 AK mags exist?
they do you fricking moron
Nu uh
Gib plz. Gonna need someone to meet me at the Saskatchewan boarder.
Swap you one for a SKS and the P226 clone in 7.62x25
I would prefer a full sized kalashnikov.
Why should I care if the AK-P already exists and is chambered in the much more useful 7.62x39?
Jesus Christ PSA AKs look like total goyslop
if you watched the video they're making the krink in 7.62x39 too. Krink version has the krink front handguard, the krink iron sights and the right dust cover, that's the difference. That one just takes AKM standard handguards
The best buy is the 300blk. 5.56 will be fine for larping but 300blk is actually useful out of that barrel length. And it still should let you use mags with the right look.
>300blk krink
Huh. Most of me wants to despise it completely and is physically repulsed.
Part of me though keeps saying it over and over in my head though and the more I think about it the more I'm wanting to touch and feel and try.
7.62x39 has pretty shit terminal ballistics.
All it does is punch holes, no tumbling, no expansion. I've seen much better results with 5.45.
Stand in front of it then
I'd have better chances of living vs the absolute mess that 5.45 makes, and you know it.
Can't you just make 7.62x39 hollowpoints if you need to shred flesh?
why not just get the better bullet that tumbles and is flatter shooting?
I wish they would finish the fricking STG first
The STG is probably canned. They couldn't get it to look close enough.
Tub of lard mac has been tinkering with it for a decade. Of course it's never coming out.
All of their AKs so far have been an extremely mixed bag. Even the 7.62 AKs which they've been making the longest it's still a coin toss whether you get a workable rifle or something that shoots itself apart or walks out of headspace or even just plain doesn't work. Their 5.45 and 5.56 AKs are even worse.
This is all coming from someone who wants PSA to succeed and wants to see quality domestic kalashnikovs, and owns a couple rifles built on PSA lowers and one p80 with a dagger slide on it. At the very least, the company's track record should dissuade you from buying the first run of a new PSA gun because it WILL have teething issues.
> something that shoots itself apart or walks out of headspace or even just plain doesn't work.
That hasn’t been true for years
they're going to make a 300 blackout version, right?
>they're going to make a 300 blackout version, right?
They should just go straight to making a 300 blackout Vintorez clone.
sometime, long after you and I are dead, Slagga will finally complete their 9x39 and .300 VSS.
maybe our childrens children will be able to enjoy it.
no they unfortunately won't, you should know any /k/ project is absolute vaporware that doesn't go anywhere ever because the "creators" like to talk and daydream about how they're gonna make a gun way more than actually making it
What barrel length is it going to have if it's 5.56? Uselessly short? I'd buy it in .300blk, yeah, honestly not a bad option.
>.300blk AK
Interesting. Still no AK12 clone though. Probably still making their AKs out of butter metal too so idc.
Cool to see made, but i'll wait a couple months to see what issues pop up
What's the different and or point of this over the short AKs PSA already offers?
>What do you think theyll price it at?
$1499
But will they actually build it right?
>But will they actually build it right?
You and I both know the answer to this lol
PSA beta tests on their customers. Wait until Gen 2 at least to buy it. PSA AKs are pretty good now but they took 3 generations to get there.
bsaed, this will dilute the supply of krinks, making them less interesting and obscure, krinkgays gonna kill themselves
PSA . I support your Semper Fidelis CEO. Assuming he is still there.
You fricked up the stock. Why did you put that fricking hideous triangle stock on this weapon ?
why didnt they just copy the simple stock of the actual krink?
are you guys new to guns or just new to AKs? They can't put the krink metal stock on there otherwise they'd be selling SBRs. They did put the correct side folding action on it so that you can put the metal triangle stock on yourself for your own SBR, or pin an weld a fake suppressor on the front and then put the metal krink triangle on it so that it's a rifle.
They're fricking idiots, I thought the SBR aspect of it would be obvious but apparently these dudes don't understand that it's in everyones best interest to do that kinda shit behind closed doors.
>PSA ANNOUN-
OUT OF STOCK
OUT OF STOCK
OUT OF STOCK
OUT OF STOCK
They haven't been put in stock yet, those are just placeholders for when they go in stock probably around the start of ShotShow
I know but it is funny how they put them on their site early with a big glowing NEW caption and it is nothing
Lol the same thing happened with the H&R stuff they made after buying NDS. It took like a year until they actually had enough stock that I could buy a lower. And I still don't have the H&R upper I want.
What H&R upper do you want? Asking because I have a NDS Colt 703 style upper that I'm not going to use if you're interest. $120 plus ship it's brand new, I got two of them but only wanted to do one 733 build for autism because of HEAT.
I think you mean Colt 733 because a 703 is this! Assuming that was a typo and it's a 733, that's actually similar to what I have for it now, but it's a Colt A2 upper (instead of an A1) with a short carbine handguard and a 16" barrel. What I want from PSA eventually is an A1 upper so I can throw my surplus furniture on it as well as an A1 lower. Then an A2 upper eventually. I'm still sort of torn on whether I want a PSA A1 upper or surplus though, but the prices of surplus are something else considering no barrel, and even if it did, I want accuracy.
Why does everyone hate 5.56 AKs?
Their worse than the AR-15
Because if you want to shoot 5.56 then why would you not get a good AR for the same price? If you have a good fighting rifle already then sure buy something for the hell of it but first things first.
>if you want to shoot an AK then why would you not get an AR?
Uhhh…
You know what, if you don't want an AK in 5.45 or 7.62x39 then you're a homosexual, period.
Least insufferable and irrational AK fanboy.
Yeah
I already have five ARs and three 7.62 AKs, I've always wanted a AK-74 variant of some sort and the ammo situation for those is completely fricked. Why wouldn't I want a 5.56 AK?
>Why wouldn't I want a 5.56 AK?
poor ballistics
not true to design
>poor ballistics
Wait until you see how 5.45 performs out of short barrels, bud.
>not true to design
With a mag follower change you literally cannot tell the difference between a 5.56 and a 5.45 AK. The rounds even shoot the same for the most part. Imagine passing up much cheaper and more available ammo that shoots and performs the same for the sake of some autistic niggling. Pass.
Why not get an airshit Krink and put 10/22 internals into its chassis at that point then?
I cannot tell if you're actually this fricking moronic or just pretending to get attention.
>make a point about how 5.56 and 5.45 behave identically
>"y not shove .22 into toy, same thing right?"
Dude just have a nice day to prevent any possibility of your aspergers from spreading. Not even gonna touch the implication that just jamming 10/22 internals into an airsoft shell makes it functional. Borderline noguns take
if you apply this logic to someone picking a .308 Navy conversion Garand over a regular Garand chambered in 30-06 because .308 is more available and cheaper you can start to grasp how buttfricking stupid this post is
Bruh how did you even come to the conclusion that 5.56 in an AK is anything like a .22 converted airshit gun?
Post guns
5.45 tumbles like a mad man out of an 8" barrel just fine.
5.56 doesn't fare so well out short barrels.
>poor ballistics
5.56 is better with much better bullet choice
>not true to design
Who cares? Oh no I’ll get equal or bette performance for half the cpr and literally no one can tell from the outside. It’s also funny you say it isn’t true to design when 5.45 is a rip off of 5.56
As the other autistic guy said it's just not true to design. I don't care for 5.56 AKs because I have multiple AKs in 7.62x39 I can shoot.I don't give a shit about 5.56, I can find 7.62x39 for the same price if not cheaper so what does it matter what round I'm using to shoot at targets?
>.I don't give a shit about 5.56, I can find 7.62x39 for the same price if not cheaper
lmfao no you can't you dumb homosexual, unless you're foreigntard in which case why are you evne participating in this convo about an American AK with an American ammo situation
NTA but yes you can lol, they're literally the same price.
>SGAmmo cheapest options for both 48cpr shipped
>ammoseek cheapest options both 42cpr+shipping
>I can find 7.62x39 for the same price if not cheaper
I find it hard to believe someone who “owns multiple AKs” doesn’t know the price of the ammo. As of this morning ammoseek has 7.62x39 at 42.6cpr. 5.56 is 41.7-42.3. Like you said, why do you can what your range ammo is and you could use .223 at sub 40cpr.
>but is only 2 cents
True but that adds up
>but I buy it on sale
.223/5.56 is more likely to have good sale
7.62x39 is going to get more expensive and stay that way until a new factory is built somewhere dedicated just to it
>ammoseek is the only way to find ammo
Have you tried going outside?
You will not find a better deal on ammo at your local LGS than what you will find on ammoseek. Your local LGS is ripping you off on ammo prices.
>LGS prices are better than online
You should have not replied. This makes you look moronic
Because everyone buying these already has ARs. No one is buying this as a first gun
because a 10 inch or so 7.62 has way better ballistics than a 10 inch AR Krink
So what happened to their StG 44?
Looked like shit on the other side. Probably reworking it so people will buy it. Honestly better that they held off because it was atrocious, hope the finished product is better aesthetically, because the real reason to buy one is that it looks like the original, but the prototype or whatever was so far off in the lower receiver that even normies didn’t like it.
I was fricking floored how many normies here insisted that it looked "close enough" and that only autists would notice the differences or even care. Like who the frick did they think was in the market for a $1500+ STG clone? The typical Joe Blow with a $400 Freedom AR-15 build? morons were blind on top of being oblivious.
Some morons just want to blow money. Even after you explain the differences.
rad
Now I know what I’m getting
ITT; outdated puritanism from a bygone era of American gun ownership clashes with the reality of the modern day
>ITT anons not understanding 5.45 is just a 5.56 with less speed
Yeah this thread is just fricking confounding
>Getting a 5.56 Krink instead of a proper 5.45 one doesn't make sense since 5.56 does poorly out of short barrels
>What do you mean you don't want to pay 80 cents a pop for a foreign round that has a domestic counterpart that does the same thing, if not more, for literally half the cost?
>What do you mean you don't want to pay 80 cents a pop for a foreign round that has a domestic counterpart that does the same thing, if not more, for literally half the cost?
if you could really tell the difference between a 5.45 and 5.56 ak I could *kinda* get it, a retro ak74 with a 5.56 mag is just a fricking travesty...but Pod Arms solved that issue already with their followers
Try being not poor
I have a $5k pistol, do you?
I have a house and property I paid for myself, do you?
Yeah, for the last 20 years. Why you pivoting so hard, anon?
You started trying to flex your pistol on me. You gonna throw shit and then try to call me out when I throw some back? Come on now.
You're the one calling others poor for not wanting to pay 80 cents for shit-tier 5.45, now post your shit Black person.
Im not getting into a pissing match with you. Honestly, I was just wanting to talk shit and now that you called me out I'm a little scared. Especially since you're in your 40s at least and I'm just a little 25 year old kid so you win this one, old man. I rather be young and $5k pistol-less than as old as you, sir.
>I don’t want a pissing match
> after he started one by saying just pay more for worse ammo
You aren’t rich. Someone with actual money doesn’t think about the poors. You’re upper middle at best
Lets be fricking honest here alright. You really think the people who are going to buy the shit actually... you know? Shoot their guns? Like I mean c'mon... because they dont.
Wait, it's an SBR not a pistol?
Just so everyone knows that the whole PMC vs Tula argument was never about quality or MOA or reliability. It was literally about price, that's it. It was just a conversation about 7.62x39 costing as much as 5.56 and some dumbass in his head changed it to a debate about Tula quality .vs PMC X-TAC quality. Which Tula quality is garbage and worse than PMC X-TAC and no one disagrees with that yet he is still arguing.
He's really frickin sperging out about it too lol.
>one blithering dipshit manages to derail an entire thread with his abrasive homosexualry and inability to read
>"XTAC IS CHEAP AND SHITTY JUST LIKE TULA"
>"What the frick dude Tula is way worse."
>"WHYA RE YOU SAYING I SAID IT WASN'T HUH???"
>repeat for an hour
Lol. Lmao.
Least back and forth and redundant argument on /k/ tbh
Takes me back, honestly.
Nice WASR, also put that trip back on homosexual.
It's a trans-WASR and no, too lazy.
Kek I fricking knew it. Did I ever tell you Zasta is the one who built mine? I won it in a gunbroker auction but didnt realize it was him at the time. I have my own secrets too.
Was that your "AKM" earlier in chat where you said I was the least insufferable AK gay? I wanted to say it then because me and you are one of the only guys with Tula AKMs that I know of but I didn't know if it was you for sure kek
It was, also totally miring that paint job. Zasta did good on mine but it's a smidge too authentic since it's starting to flake off, especially on the slant brake.
I fricked up the finish honestly, I tried to color the selector markings and trunnion white with a white colored marker and the shitty russpaint just melted off. I really want to get it repainted but feel like a close color cerakote would be better in the long run.
I have never had luck with white fill in, I've just stopped trying and written myself off as too moronic to attempt it.
> I really want to get it repainted but feel like a close color cerakote would be better in the long run.
You should absolutely go that route, Zasta told me he was going to make it authentic "warts and all" so I knew I was getting into it. I don't fault him at all, it's just the nature of the paint.
>I tried to color the selector markings and trunnion white with a white colored marker and the shitty russpaint just melted off
....how is a paintjob that shit?
If the paint wears off you just keep using the AK, actual wear resistance was not high on their list of concerns. For the record it's not like the authentic AK paintjob is exceptionally bad, the Czechs had enamel jobs on some of their issue guns (looking at you CZ-82) that are breathtakingly terrible.
NTA btw but we're on the same page here I believe.
It's Russpaint, like it is fragile as frick. Looks beautiful and I mean fricking gorgeous but it is trash as a finish.
Good lord he's still going lol.
All this because he seems to need his bad 5.56 to be better than the worst AK ammo on the market.
God AK tards are brain rotted morons.
>no it has to be in my shitty 5.45 you can't have a more practical caliber
>Stop making fun of Tula! Its totally just as good at PMC!
If you want a krink then why would you not get it in the caliber it's literally suppose to be in? Post you 1911 in 9mm or your AR in 7.62x39 and I'll shut up.
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Bro... I'm sorry but... I aint readin allat.
If 9mm and .45 were anywhere alike, and if .223 and 7.62x39 were anywhere alike you might have had a point, but they aren't. 5.56 and 5.45 are extremely similar, except the latter costs twice as much as the former. It shouldn't strain your brain too much why people would want to choose 5.56, especially when you can't even visually tell the difference between the AKs so long as the 5.56 one has a modified follower in its 5.45 magazine.
You’d have a point if those calibers were similar and the price differential was near the same as 5.56 vs 5.45. Also do you not know how many 9mm 1911s there are? A lot. Furthermore JMB only made .45 because that’s what the army wanted. He didn’t even make it like the .25, .32, .380, .38 ACP etc. There’s a reason that the hi power was in 9mm and not .45 acp. Not that the .45 is bad or anything but it’s not a pure JMB creation.
This thread has cemented my long time suspicion that AK owners are perma in the bottom percentile of any given group you happen to include them in.
I hope it turns out to be great and can’t wait to see the STG.
>can’t wait to see the STG
Next year for sure..
I want a PSA G-11
Guntubers have made this hobby so fricking insufferable. The only standard by which most guns were judged used to be "is it cool, is it made well and is it cheap." Now it's all a bunch of know it all morons arguing about ballistics and what minimally different thing makes something objectively better like they're all a bunch of politicians working in a procurement office.
This shits been going on since this board gas existed. How new are you?
No. It used to be a couple of threads at most. Now it's every thread and every argument is very clearly fueled by shit recounted from fricking guntubers. You must be the newhomosexual for thinking that this is how the board always has been.
Can anyone explain why PSA Krink option is better/worse than their other SBR AK options? PSA has multiple different short AK rifles already. "Pistols" or whatever the frick you want to call them.
Honestly I think a lot of people are excited for "affordable" authentic krinks but I'm guessing that these things are gonna be priced higher than people expect and the authenticity is gonna leave a lot to be desired too.
What's kinda funny about it is thinking back to 104URs and 106URs retailing for less than PSA will probably price these at and considering those ridiculously expensive at the time. Life comes at you fast.
>Honestly I think a lot of people are excited for "affordable" authentic krinks but I'm guessing that these things are gonna be priced higher than people expec
That may be, but PSA is releasing it after actual Krink kits have been unobtanium for years so there's a lot of pent up demand. Even if it is more expensive than one would think, it's bound to be a shitload less that a sliced up parts kit that doesn't even include a barrel half the time.
>and the authenticity is gonna leave a lot to be desired too.
This is what I'm really going to be looking into. I don't know enough about Krinks, or Cold War-era 5.45 AKs in general, but I'm going to be doing some research into them so I can see any glaring frickups PSA has and determine if they're deal-breakers or not for me.
My bet is 1299, permanently "marked down" to 1099.
i'll probably buy one in the future
>PSA makes a pretty authentic and likely sanely priced Krink clone
>States they'll start out with 5.56 offerings then follow up with 5.45
>AKgays shit their pants in fury at the 5.56 version even existing and pretend 5.45 isn't one of the most expensive intermediate service rounds on the market currently
I've seen some people say that to be an AKfan in currentyear(tm) is the sign of masochism or insufferable autism mixed with abject stupidity. This thread has been a great depiction of the latter.
>great depiction of the latter
its funny like that
>this thread
Glad it's in autosage, what a dumpsterfire
B/c people are crying about other people not wanting a 5.56 abortion when I can literally buy a M85 from Zastava for less money and it's actually from a military arsenal.
Meanwhile krink kits are ~$4k
>B/c people are crying about other people not wanting a 5.56 abortion
weird, what started it all was people crying about the 5.56 just being a thing at all
> I can literally buy a M85 from Zastava for less money
you don't know the MSRP of the PSA, also a M85 isn't a krinkov. bulged trunnions are moronic in anything not an RPK, btw.
>and it's actually from a military arsenal.
lmfao if you've seen the C issues Zastava's had in the past half decade you'd know that this doesn't mean anything.
>Meanwhile krink kits are ~$4k
damn sounds like a good reason to get the PSA one provided it's not dogshit.
seethe, Black person.