The local county prison is hiring where I live. $23 an hour, time and a half for overtime. From talking to guys, with OT you should make around $80k your first year, then with pay increases about $100k after that.
Anybody here worked in prison as a guard? Is it comfy? Miserable? Good?
Being a tard wrangler isn't weapons
It's not, but we can discuss what weapon will OP get shanked with.
I think its gonna be a melted down tooth brush.
>OP get shanked with
Frozen, sharpened semen knife.
> melts
> can't find murder weapon
>With overtime
Why do you fall into israeli tricks? It is a shit job with bad pay and your employer will treat you like garbage if you ever say no to a bullshit erratic schedule of long hours.
FPBP, you're forced to interact with the worst people who will throw bodily fluids at your face.
I used to work at a dry cleaner. Every guard that came in didn't have a thousand yard state they straight up had a million yard one and sometimes would forget they were even in a store until you talked to them.
I can't imagine dealing with violent and stupid people all day. It's a retail meme but in prison it's actually 99% of people you'd interact with.
You will slowly turn into an abusive jackass, and your kids criminals.
> Grew up in town with state penn
> Friends with convicts kids, rough crowd but managable
> All prison guards kids were abusive jerks. Start getting arrested for petty stuff in late teens
> So were their dads
Fast forward 20 years
> Brother in law gets knocked down in bar fight. Prison guard from newly built kiddy penn in another town
> Heard from local PD they expected crime to increase when kiddy penn was built... b/c the guards are constantly committing offenses.
prepare to get shit/piss throw at you everyday for the rest of your life
I live in a city with a couple prisons and guards tend to get PTSD. It's a miserable job and you will get shit thrown at you a lot.
prison staffing is nepotistic AF and you stand a very good chance of being framed up as The Guy who brings all the dope etc into the prison by "The Family".
Knew a guy who drove truck for prison system and it seemed like steady dumbass State Employee gig. He also seemed wary of anything to do with actual prisoners or prison staffers.
$80k/yr from $23/hr means you're basically gonna be living there.
Man, you're getting paid to be in prison. I really respect people that can handle doing that sort of job. It's being in p rison though, either side of cages it's a cage. I'd lose my mind doing that sort of thing.
It depends on how you carry yourself. You can definitely make money but you will be sacrificing your time and sanity. The inmates will test you when they know you're a rookie. Hopefully you have good Field Training Officers to set the tone and pace for you. Don't do anything that will get you into legal trouble or fired. The main thing is, you give respect and you receive respect. If the inmates know how you carry yourself, they will roll with it. Don't be an butthole just to be an butthole. There are basically lots of small fires to put out in prison. Inmates will ask for stuff like hygiene kits, court dates, towels, jumpsuits, etc. As long as it is within the facility policy and procedure, you can roll with it. If you can't do it, explain it to them.
That said, there are inmates that will throw pee and poo at you but generally if you're an butthole, they will target you. There are crazy inmates though and generally the emergency response team in your prison will take care of things.
$23/hour is weak for the position, no matter what your local economy supports. If it's entry level & responsibilities are light, it may be appropriate. Or, at least "close enough," so long as your advancement path is clear & rapid if you're willing to put the effort in.
No. "Comfy" is the exact opposite. You didn't list any details, such as duties, state, local, federal, location, etc. etc. Forget "comfy." It is no longer part of your vocabulary on or off the job. The job will become your lifestyle. Comfy = death.
If it's a position in a minimum security woman's correctional facility for coeds, the math might change a little. I've known prison guards for state penns. The stories they've told make it a huge "Nope." for me. Also, I'm not friends with any of them, these days. It takes a personality type to deal with hard core criminals, and that personality type doesn't include a lot of "friendship." You become a tribal, "Team Player" (if you aren't already). If you go into the job for the long term and take training & promotions into increasingly intense duties, you are going to change. If you go in, have a clear idea in your head where you want to be in ten years: 1) a Lifer in the (in)justice system playing for one team or 2) another job/career.
And, that's why $23/hr is weak. In the best case scenario it's adequate to the responsibility and risk. Anything other than best case and you're going to be earning your money the hard way. You should definitely look into the benefits package and coverage for all types of injury and trauma (very specifically including mental & psych issues). Get regular, paid-for medical care and make use of it. You might think you're OKay, but get yourself checked at least every year. You're looking at near-war levels of PTSD and you better accept that and get in front of it from the beginning. It will only accumulate over the years.
A guaranteed & stable pension package can make up a lot for salary.
>You didn't list any details, such as duties, state, local, federal, location, etc. etc.
He did say county prison.
CO here. I've worked in a booking facility and it's Hell on Earth. Black folk and hispanics threatening to kill you. Dealing with shit, blood and cum all the time. Mandatory overtime so you don't even get time off if you want it. Sucks more than I can convey in a short paragraph.
If it's a sentenced facility it probably won't be too bad. Work camps and minimum custody facilities are primo. Get paid to keep the chair warm for the next guy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Unless you can pull off the T-1000 look (doubtful) I would be at a bare minimum always on guard, and even then still be so. Being comfy and letting your guard down in a fricking prison is the worst thing you can do regardless of what side of the bars you’re on.
Holy shit dude just go to UPS we're always hiring.
Doesn't Amazon have better trucks?
In terms of comfort yes, in terms of handling, no.
Pay is way better.
>UPS
This, if you take care of yourself, it's a way to keep in decent shape from work too.
Yeah, UPS trucks are shit, no AC, no radio. But the benefits are top tier. Healthcare for you and family, pension, union protection if you are legitimately being harassed by a sup, and far higher top pay.
>no radio
Shout out to my UPS lad who just has Sinatra playing on a bluetooth speaker on his belt and gets to drive rural village dirt roads and country two-lane between towns all day.
What does the reddit frog have to do with that?
My friend does this in a county of 130k population. It's just tard wrangling. One dude constantly jerks off and eats his own cum in front of the guards, another shits his pants all the time. My friend is a bit of a moron himself though so he doesn't mind.
Today I shit so hard that I came, literally. I looked down and had a big stream of cum flowing from the tip of my wiener. I think I hit my prostate passing the massive shit and I came in the toilet. Is this normal?
Enjoy working 72 hours weeks and get ready for alcohol to be your best, and only, friend. Oh and your life expectancy drops to 59 years old. I wish I was kidding. Worked in corrections for 2 years. And it's absolutely fricking miserable. And you see some seriously fricked up shit.
>$23 an hour
Dude you’re getting played I used to be a CO and I make more now in a retail banking job.
>$80k a year
Bahahahahahaha dude you’ll most likely work there 3-6 months, realize that the turnover is so high your 12 hour shifts routinely turn into 16 when someone refuses to come in for a shift, get shit on by the inmates all day, eventually attacked by one, and everyone on the outside will still consider you rentacop tier
>Is it comfy?
No. It’s prison.
>Miserable?
Yes. I worked a Marshals facility full of short timers en route to other prisons so the motivation to actually charge them when they did something and keep them there was nonexistent. First week a convict tried to milkshake me and I slammed the door on his face. Splattered all over the window of his cell door. I told him to clean that shit up while I wrote him up knowing god damn well LT wasn’t gonna do shit about it. He licked a cup full of his own feces, urine, and semen off that window in front of me. You’re dealing with schizos, junkies, legitimate sub 80 IQ tards, and homosexual gang bangers constantly reeeeing about muh respek and fighting over the most moronic shit imaginable
>Retail banking
I worked for WF in Cali was clearing about 26/hr. Not including bonus (Cali takes 51% of your bonus anyways)
It was a pretty sweet job till the new CEO said it was time to restructure and we lost half our workforce in the district. I was working 11hr shifts 6 days a week. Running from branch to branch to detail ATMs, service/platform work, notarize documents and doing a lot more work than when I started.
I got out of retail banking coz I saw my life speeding by me.
Bank anon, know your worth and don't let them over work you
23 an hour, making 80k a year? Lmao wagie you're gonna have no time to spend that money
>23 an hour, making 80k a year? Lmao wagie you're gonna have no time to spend that money
Is 80k a lot in the US?
Nothing below 100k is a lot but 80k can get you very comfortable living in most of the United States. Problem is that you won't be doing much living working at the human zoo and your quality of life is greatly degraded, making the pay not worth it. Make sense?
Yeah I get you, I was just wondering as most people I know in the US are on 250-400k
At that level, unless you're living in a leftist hellhole like LA or NYC, you're well beyond comfortable into lower-tier wealthy. Unless you live like a total moron 'time' becomes a more important currency for you than 'dollars.'
250k+ is only the top 5% in terms of income
Thats why I was suprised when someone said "you're gonna have no time to spend that money" about 80k.
In this case it is because he'll be working 12+ hours a day, 6 days a week at a minimum. Literally no time. Btw if you're cheap you can live extremely comfortably on $40,000 in most of the US, you just have to budget. You're not going to have a "nice" car but you'll have one that doesn't break down.
This guy nailed it. This chart is 10 years old but wages frankly haven't moved that much in that time.
Most of the prisons / penitentiaries aren't in large metro areas; they get stuck in the outskirts where living is cheap. $80,000 as a single earner isn't doing poorly, but the job itself really sucks. Given Amazon pays $18/hr for general warehouse support... OP can probably do better and maintain more of his sanity.
Idk what yall are talking about, but in most states 80K is pretty good. Unless you're in israelite York or California, you'll have a nice 2 story house with 80K a year...o wait well maybe not now because of inflation and the housing market....but generally yeah
>he want to work with Black folk and clean their cum and shit for $23 an hour
good joke OP
It’s not worth it. You’d better off doing pretty much anything else you could possibly think of. I say this in the most sincere way possible.
Prison is a fricking zoo where you’re locked inside with the animals and the majority of them want, and if given the opportunity, will attempt to kill you. You will have to deal with piss, shit, blood and cum daily.
Why are so many people mentioning cum cleaning in this thread?
The inmates will try to cumshark you whenever they get the chance. And I don't mean behind your back, either. They will lock eye contact and start working out ropes on your uniform if you don't impose respect with violence.
Why is jail so fricking gay
Because prisoners tend to cum on things. It’s that simple. They use coom as a weapon.
>time and a half for overtime
damn dude you're gonna get the federally mandated minimum overtime!? you should be getting doubletime for spending extra lifetime working around convicts but i bet they expect you to work overtime anyway
Worked as a mental health counselor at a medium security prison for 2 years. AMA.
what percentage of prisioners are actually insane?
Diagnosably insane? Let me just get it out of the way that 'insane' is not a term of the profession. Schizotypal, low-functioning autistic, etc. But I understand the sentiment.
About 5%. People who are completely delusional like we associate with that are placed in observational facilities. The term 'asylum for the criminally insane' is the only thing I can think to describe them, but that gives the people that work there a bad rap.
Those few that are are folks who fell through the cracks, and are oftentimes abused by other inmates. That's the real reason they're not kept in 'regular' prisons. It's not because they represent some huge risk to others, it's because they're victimized to hell and back because they oftentimes can't accurately describe what they're going through.
Oh also, my primary population was Protective Custody. Luck of the draw; low staffing.
>my primary population was Protective Custody
Twinks, kiddie diddlers, and snitches, isn't it?
That's correct. In ran in a fairly even racial grouping, I noticed towards the end.
>Black
Snitch
>Hispanic
Law Enforcement
>White
Child molester
>Natives
Mixed bag, but almost always had an original sentence related to alcohol
A lot of the Hispanic prisoners were former law enforcement?
Indians? Middle-east? Asian?
Did you ever frick any female inmates
There were no female inmates. They were housed at a separate facility in a town about 5 hours north of where mine was.
No, but it's not impossible that I could have, given what the usual procedure is for inmates of his type. "Locals" are very rarely housed anywhere near their home of record, due to there being too much of a risk of people attempting to smuggle in contraband or attacking other local corrections officers. My state shipped people to California or Arkansas normally. We'd receive a mixed bag from the country, and again, it's not impossible that he could have seen my facility if he was deemed sane enough to enter into medium security.
Yes. I lived in a border state, and there were usually more Hispanic officers/judges than white. The population of people in that category were pretty on-par with that. Also, when I said we'd move people around, sometimes it would just be a matter of moving them to the other side of the state, rather than the country, depending on their 'importance'.
Never saw either of the first two, and I'd know if they were there; our security office had inmates color-coded by race on a pin board to help keep racial violence to a minimum. There were only two or three purple tags I ever saw in the two years I was there (Asians were tagged purple, Blacks were green, Whites...well, white, Hispanics red, Natives yellow)
How often, if at all, did prisoners try to run a con or something on you? Do you have any experiences or stories about that? I read an older book from the perspective of LE on prisoners compromising COs and am reading a book by an ex-pimp, and the manipulation described in both is insane.
On myself? Rarely, if ever. It was considered in very poor taste to try to do anything bad against 'support staff', which I was considered. CO's? Open game. But consider that, as part of the mental health department, I would be on boards where I could have veto power over whether someone would receive conjugal visits, family visitation, and even parole or sentence shortening. I myself only ever felt threatened once while I was there (I did group therapy inside of the housing units every few days). He was new. He was corrected, and apologized the next week when they came off lockdown. I'm only emphasizing this to hammer the point that medical/support/kitchen staff weren't to be touched. Well, except for the kitchen staff, and by touch, I mean, get caught having sex with in a walk-in freezer.
That was the BIGGEST problem, honestly. We contracted out our food service with one of those big industrial food conglomerates, and we had little to no say in their hiring. Unfortunately, this meant that, a lot of times, wives and girlfriends of inmates would come in under assumed names.
As far as corrupting the guards, it would happen, but we had a high turnaround for CO's. In my head, too high for any of the inmates to really get their hooks into, though that's pure speculation I'll admit.
Interesting, thanks. I guess it wouldn't make sense for prisoners to alienate the staff who were there to help them in some way, and anyone doing it would quickly learn not to. I'm vaguely keeping my mind open to a healthcare position in corrections/law enforcement so all that is good to know.
Did you meet Chris Chan?
I talked to a security gaurd that was saying he used to be a CO and he genuinely seemed moronic. And I said damn I find a smart guy much scarier than a stupid guy, but having your horizontal and vertical ruled by a bunch of literal morons sounds like a living hell. It sounds like a living hell on both teams whether youre giving or receiving. Most people should genuinely kill themselves out of mercy to put themselves out of their own suffering. Like imagine being a moron and a poor having to CO or having your shit run by one.
T. Well funded trust fund baby.
I've got a friend that does correctional work and he's tired and miserable as frick all of the time; you best get your ass into a union as soon as possible because the prison system will find ways to frick you over in any way possible.
I’d legitimately rather be homeless in Portland than work in a prison. Like it’s a no brainer. Just jack off in public, get drunk, do drugs, steal things, punch lesbians and suoibois without consequence, that’s the life compared to working in a fricking prison.
Have you ever been bullied in school? By a group? Now you'll join that gang. Just play the big boy role, or you'll be miserable.
Imagine the Black personist Black person imaginable. Now imagine an entire horde of these Black folk trapped inside a building and you being in charge of keeping them in some form of order. This will be your job for every day onward and nothing you do will make these Black folk even slightly stop being such Black folk.
>have literal shit thrown at you
>see the absolute worst of humanity
>have to be around violent, roided up literal morons all day
I mean, for 80k a year I'd apply if I were you and in good physical shape.
you're basically signing up to be an imp henchman in hell. except you don't even get to sadistically torture the damned; for the most part they just torture you. unless your brain is blunted/broken like theirs, it will not survive.
some people are legitimately too stupid to do anything else and it's an extremely undesirable job so getting hired is fairly easy. so for some people out there it's a perfect fit. just make sure you're that kind of person.
It Sucks I’ve been doing it for five years now. Three years for a county agency and two years working for state. Working for the county I had to constantly work overtime, however they didn’t have the budget to pay out the overtime, so we got comp time instead. They didn’t pay it out till I left I had 400 hours built up when I left the county. My biggest piece of advice is find a group of people you like working with and can trust and stick with them.
I’ve only been assaulted one time in five years it was during a fight
we were breaking up and offender assaulted another officer while we were breaking it up and I tackled him
We punched each other a few times on the ground. Before he got hosed down with oc. He couldn’t handel the oc I held him down while my buddy was emptying his can on the offenders face and the back of my head. It was fun till the adrenaline wore off and I started sweating doing rounds and it reactivated.
I haven’t gotten gunned down with shit yet. I have had a tray thrown on me though by a guy I helped put in the restraint chair the night before. Keep your head away from the cuff ports.
P.S Frick offenders 80 percent of them deserve to die
Just read this whole thing of a journo applying to work as a prison guard
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer/
You spend all day around the worst people in your society, that other people pay taxes specifically to not interact with. It sucks.
I cannot imagine a worse job, even being a cop would be better
Be prepared for lawsuits to be brought against you if you chose that career. Any inmate will tell you the Rosey eyed new CO are bitter buttholes after 6 months of working and dealing with Felons on a daily basis. It's quite literally a job that will break you down to the point of having no sympathy for anyone locked up.
Don't do it homie. I used to work in a prison setting for 2 years. It will kill your soul being surrounded by animals and the guards are huge pieces of shit too. Literally go do anything else. You don't even know the level of hell you will inflict on yourself if you do this.
>live in Rural Area
>CO job comes up for county jail
>figure Oh hey I am literally 3 hours from a city that has a population over 50k It can't be that bad
>interview with one of the captain's
>he gives me the low down
>he walks me through the jail to all the pods
>he shows me literally every aspect of the jail
>turns out the state buses people up here because they're jails are full and they give the county kick backs
>I expected a jail full of DWI's and a couple meth heads maybe some bikers or something
>pods are basically gangland
>he says to me
>"I am not saying you have the job but I do this for everyone to see if they even want to continue with the hiring process"
Told him no and apologized for wasting his time.
Prepare to be attacked by a talking chimpanzee that will sue you for defending yourself.
>hum poo diddy mufugga insulted my momma
>we the jury find the defendant culpable for 30,000$ in damages to Mr. Thaddeus Brewer
OP let's assume they mean 80k gross
That means that you're making $1,538.47 a week. If you're making $23 an hour, only $920 of that will be from your base pay. The remaining $618.47 will be from overtime. Assuming you're getting time and a half for overtime, you would need to spend an extra 17.93 hours a week, every week for a year.
If you want to work 58 hours a week then go for it, but I would prefer not working 12 hours a day, 5 days a week. I'm currently working three 12 hour shifts in a row and I'm usually asleep for all of the third day.
What comfy three 12 job do you have?
if you have a safety/healthcare background you can make over 24/hr working at amazon, thurs-sat.
What type of role do you do there at Amazon?
i work at the aid station, i think they require an EMT cert but you're mostly doing school nurse shit.
Did it for 4½ years, now I'm an IT consultant instead. Avoid it if you can. Like other anons said, it's just tard wrangling and they're mean/violent/manipulative tards at that.
I'm not from the US, but they did a huge criminological study here and it turns out the average inmate has an IQ of 85. So half of them are even dumber than that. Now remember that the US Armed Forces bans anyone with an IQ lower than 83 from joining, because they're too dumb to follow directions... Any anons that served can think back and remember the dumbest guys in their platoon, now consider they're smarter than the average inmate. Now imagine dealing with an entire herd of people like that, that also despise authority and think very highly of themselves (despite being absolut gutter trash scum).
Being on the 'emergency response team' was fun as frick though. Training, that is, because they inmates would surrender by the time we got there.
>IQ lower than 83 from joining, because they're too dumb to follow directions...
well how the frick did I get in then? I'm like a solid 90 IQ.
Most people I know that worked in prisons were doing it to get into a police job. I don't think there is enough money in the world to get me to go to a prison voluntarily. Doesn't matter what side of the cage you're on, you're still in a cage. Plus you don't even get to beat up prisoners for fricked up shit usually you just spray them with pepper stuff. They're going to smear their room with turds, it's not like you can just beat any of them and tell them to clean it up they'll probably have you doing that. That's when they're not throwing turds at you.
>Anybody here worked in prison as a guard? Is it comfy? Miserable? Good?
No, but I know a guy who did, he got shanked by Black folk at one point and had to quit but not before making an example of them.
I watched prison reality shows and it baffles me how much freedom and rights the prisoners have in America and how much they can misbehave. The guards don't/can't do shit against them.
Then I read the comments and they're all like "omg poor prisoners, the guards were too harsh, he dindu nuffin". WTF? In my birth country those Black folk would've been beaten up by guards daily for 10% of what they get away with in American prisoners.
Fix your lax fricking prisons America. They're there so the inmates can reflect on the mistakes they've made and affirm their respect for the rule of law, through hardship and discipline, not so they can act like animals in a zoo.
t. Ivan Ivanovich
>pay is 50k /yr
>80k w/ overtime
they're saying that because they are workaholics, they mostly have an ugly, annoying wife and weigh 270lbs, like most people who work in corrections.
>voluntarily being surrounded by Black folk and hispanics at least 8 hours per day for any amount of money
No thanks my fellow Black person
central african dudes really are great to work with.
a thread died for this stupid question
>bro, go to prison for 5 years, it's okay because you're wearing a uniform and getting paid twice what you did at McDonald's
Leave where you live because it's a shithole and you know this. Escape.
If I become a CO I get that special LEO federal permit where I can get >assault weapons in a blue state and carry anywhere, right? I know a guy who joined the border patrol, quit after a month or two and got that.
i met one retired co who got fricked up badly in a riot and he was probably the biggest schizo trainwreck of a human being i've ever dealt with face to face holy shit
your life has value do fricking IT help desk or something. less piss and cum
>Anybody here worked in prison as a guard?
Every one of your "customers" will be having the worst day of their life. They're behind bars. They hate you. You will change. Your work will grind on you and turn you into a different human.
Find a job where you can interact with members of society having an average day or that will thank you for your hard work.
Met a CO who said exactly that and ended up doing volunteering just so he could feel good helping people that would appreciate what he did.
The only difference between a prisoner and a prison guard is where they sleep.
My best friend is a prison guard. After the first year he got high blood pressure, started to bald and had a dwarf baby
AZDOC COII here
No, run away and never think about working in prison. All the shit you take for granted on any other job? Gone, completely.
You WILL work night shift permanently and somehow wonder that despite the retention rate being non-existent, staffing incredibly low and recruitment just as low there's literally zero positions open for lateral movement except higher and higher security units (same shift very likely) unless you're a wonderous wienersucker (as if a CO isn't)
Your "fellow" Staff are probably some of the least trustworthy people on the planet. Inmates can't be trusted but their intentions are always visible thanks to their attire. Anything you say and do will be used against you by paperdropping b***hes that wear the same uniform as you
Admin is out to get you at all times
Top leadership hates you
Your shift commander probably hates you
Sergeants are cool
Inmates determine if you leave for the day or not (love me some ICSes)
Everyone is burnt the frick out and doesn't care anymore
If this place dropped mandatory overtime on me I'd quit on the spot
miserable. they will attempt to suck every waking hour of your life from you. it's not worth it. the danger to pay ratio is bullshit too
I’m a cop, and being a prison guard sounds like a horrible fricking job that I would have want.
It’s only shitty parts of my current job without any of the fun stuff.
Would never want that was supposed to say.
At least COs don’t have to humour their prisoners as much as we do, any bullshit and they just flood the cell with OC.np8dp