Price of sneed drones

New hack just dropped
>Cost price is 48k$
>Iranians wanted 375k$ per unit, but agreed for 193k$ per unit
>Price of unit in r*ssia is 165.5k$
>Iranians were paid in gold, at least 2067795 grams of it
https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/stalo-vidomo-skilky-koshtuye-shahed-136-dlya-rosiyi/

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick out of here with your /misc/ bullshit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >drone are not weapons

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is a discussion on the cost of a weapons system, how is that not /k/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't work the other way idiot, I know you're sad your shitty threads got deleted

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You seem worried

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they debooooooonk the most trivial, asinine shit with ferocity now, sometimes 5 (you)'s at a time, in mere minutes

        were *endgame* now, you can feel it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I might be moronic but isn't 165k very cheap? like one of these striking an airport/ aircraft / drone operators / most vehicles / power grid pieces / 2-3 men will likely repay itself.
      the embarassing thing is that not even iran wants the ruble

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >isn't 165k very cheap
        Not for something that has a 90% interception rate. Never believe third worlders when they talk to you about economic damage either, Russia is not winning the war by destroying 8 year old Kias and putting holes in apartments.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Russia is not winning the war by destroying 8 year old Kias and putting holes in apartments.
          No, they are literally stimulating the Ukrainian economy

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > one of these striking
        > drone operators / most vehicles
        Lol what? This isnt lancet or fpv. Its a (cheaper, slightly more accurate and slower)V1.
        It cant target frontline targets, it is not controlled by an operator, its slow, it cant maneuver, it is frickhuge, and it loudly announces its presence from literal miles and miles away.
        > 2-3 men
        Yeah, grandmas in theirs apartments.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >price details of one of the most significant modern weapons used and produced by enemies of the west
      >not /k/ relevant
      what

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But I thought they cost 2 dollars and a goat per drone! Shouln't they cost way less than the Gepard ammo that was shooting them down???

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >r*ssia
    you are a moron poltard

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >165.5k
    Holy fricking shit. That's more than a GMLRS round for less effect.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I refuse to believe a Sasneed suicide drone costs 375k dollar
      that is insane

      First thing, imagine how big the cut Putin takes off each one of these drones? You know how it is, there's a "tax". It's probably the same on the Iran side of it too.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is the guy sitting there the guy that wrote/drew a book about the things he heard and saw as a kgb camp guard?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, its Danzig Baldaev.

          At this point I am convinced that ~90% of antisemitism is Northern Europeans never meeting any meds or middle easterners. That’s how they all roll, with, perhaps, the exception of Spaniards

          No, on this website its just anti-social american nerds in suburbs who don't leave the house who may or may not be Latin American.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have only chatted with pol guys who are Hispanic, only white one grew out of it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            thanks, the shit that man saw, the shit that he did

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    does this mean the war is over!!!!!!!!???!??
    the vatnik menace is broke!

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I refuse to believe a Sasneed suicide drone costs 375k dollar
    that is insane

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pay up kafir.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I refuse to believe a Sasneed suicide drone costs 375k dollar
        DoD was "selling" to Ukraine M113 for 2 million dollars each. Just because Iran wants 375k for sneedhead doesn't mean it's worth 375k

        It's not about the actual cost but what the towleheads demanded.

        Arabs love ripping customers off even more than israelites.

        This makes the efficiency/cost ratio of Gepards even more insane if you think about it.
        Russians really getting their balls kicked in

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I refuse to believe a Sasneed suicide drone costs 375k dollar
      DoD was "selling" to Ukraine M113 for 2 million dollars each. Just because Iran wants 375k for sneedhead doesn't mean it's worth 375k

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ukraine paid money
        Lmfao you guys are losing in avdiivka aren't you

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they debooooooonk the most trivial, asinine shit with ferocity now, sometimes 5 (you)'s at a time, in mere minutes

          were *endgame* now, you can feel it

          lmao the seething itt its beautiful

          Oh yes

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's why I said "selling" because USA was paying itself for that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not about the actual cost but what the towleheads demanded.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Arabs love ripping customers off even more than israelites.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Iranians aren't Arabs you fricking moron
        Ignorant morons like yourself are leading the decline of the American Empire. Bad enough that only something like 60% of Americans can read past a 6th grade level.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > Bad enough that only something like 60% of Americans can read past a 6th grade level.
          Coincidently about 40% of the nation is nonwhite

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The reverse Flynn Effect doesn't smile upon us. IQs are falling even in the most homogenous developed countries, like Iceland. Modernity apparently breeds morons, because it's kinder to low time preference cohorts of any ethnic or racial group, as long as there are enough bright people to grease the wheels of its machinery.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Modernity apparently breeds morons
              Or maybe it's just we can see any moron spreading his bs live at any second. Modernity my ass. Do you think there was a lot of modernity when people hunted cats during a plague?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you think there was a lot of modernity when people hunted cats during a plague?
                This is a myth, there’s no evidence it ever happened. Most of this kind of shit was made up by abolitionists poisoning the well of medievalism that the plantation holder class was so enamored of. Literally Mark Twain and co mad that Ivanhoe was popular with slave owning twits.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Or maybe it's just we can see any moron spreading his bs live at any second. Modernity my ass.
                Calm down for a second.
                If you have a high IQ and thus more likely to pursue higher education, you will bust your ass either going for the masters/PhD or spend a few years in internships. It's not impossible to meet someone, settle down and have kids, but you'll be doing it in hard mode. Here's a follow up kick to the nuts. Many women in your "league" also pursuing a rewarding career in a demanding field may have made the conscious decision to not have kids as a preemptive cope. Either way if they want to have kids the clock is against them. I don't even need to get on any incel, redpill, MGTOW ideology to spin a narrative about how women suck. The fact is that both you and your partner are more likely to put your lives on hold as IQ individuals.
                If you have a lower IQ, you'll most likely get a job out of highschool or even drop out, you most likely marry someone in your IQ range, you'll be more likely to get someone knocked up in your teens and if you have the foresight of not seriously using the pullout method as an actual contraceptive, you'll be more likely to have kids in your 20s.
                Modernity breeds morons because those who want to go further and use their higher intelligence are less likely to have kids and when they do they typically have less of them.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > Modernity apparently breeds morons
              I agree. However I think a large part of that is schools have to cater to the lowest common denominator, which is now third world tards. The smart kids are still the smart kids and they’ll figure shit out and succeed. But the average ones will be fine with barely trying, not learning much, and still getting a B’s. It’s a race to the bottom

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They are close enough now. When you mix Muslims in, they become good as arabs.
          t. Persian

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Weak bait.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      javelin costs $200k and they are basically the same thing
      they cost $2k to build

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        One is a tried and true weapon of war that required massive investment to develop. The other is literally a wooden RC plane, propelled by stolen engines from the West (and subsequently very cheap Chinese tier copies).

        There is no comparison.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the entire design is stolen

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Stealing is not a bad thing in competition. That's basically how America got it's start too.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There is no comparison.
          besides both being massively over priced

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they cost $2k to build
        Source?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Javlin at least hits its target with a relative certainty.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >basically the same thing
        They are in now way, shape or form the same

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1. Iran is under sanctions which makes anything costly.
      2. They are also intentionally bilking Russians.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Iranians are israelites, as all Semites are. What is new for you?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon…the Iranians are Aryan.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Iranians are muttified after centuries of being conquered, but iranians are not semites thoughbeit

          https://i.imgur.com/dnZ1qvU.jpg

          >Iranians are da joos
          are you mad?

          No they are gypsy israelites who pretend that they aren't literally we wuz kangs of Persia n shit while in reality they only care about whatever is their alternative to shekels
          >Cut off dicks - check
          >Wear funny hats - check
          >Greedy for money as goblins - check
          >Noses - check
          >Heckin 6 gorillion years of ancient history - check
          Sounds israeli enough to me

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Apart from the history point you just described burgers too

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            At this point I am convinced that ~90% of antisemitism is Northern Europeans never meeting any meds or middle easterners. That’s how they all roll, with, perhaps, the exception of Spaniards

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Iranians are muttified after centuries of being conquered, but iranians are not semites thoughbeit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Iranians are da joos
        are you mad?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm gonna say this since it might be of use to you: a lot of that sissy black fetishist porn you see on /gif/ revolves around the concept of the israelites basically forcing you to be bisexual and frick black guys. Like, the media/whatever forcing you to be gay. Use this information wisely.

          >Russia is not winning the war by destroying 8 year old Kias and putting holes in apartments.
          No, they are literally stimulating the Ukrainian economy

          Have fun attempting to explain that to the average vatnik.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I find myself noticing that many girls in Europe and the US just find (some) blacks / mudslides hot.
            Not the sub Sahara coal black monkey sapiens but the caramel ones with soft looking skin and skinny frames.
            I don't think it's some agenda I just think you're racist and trying to project

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Absolute complete non sequitur. Read what I said again.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sure schizo

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Iranians
        >semites
        So this is the power of /misc/ “””knowledge”””, mother of God

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Remember this whenever someone using /misc/ buzzwords tells you literally anything about military matters, economics or history.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I never ever needed this, but i try to educate myself.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There was an anon that did an incredibly autistic breakdown about a year ago of the cost to manufacture them, and came to a similar conclusion. I don’t have it saved, but maybe somebody can find it in the archive.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      russia has no choice

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        uhm sweety they had one, 2 years ago

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some autist In October of 2022 went over this as well:
      https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/55838101/

      There was an anon that did an incredibly autistic breakdown about a year ago of the cost to manufacture them, and came to a similar conclusion. I don’t have it saved, but maybe somebody can find it in the archive.

      Checked and here you go.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what's the tl;dr on the final estimate chadsneed production cost here?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jizya tax

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are the turret tosses, the daily suicideniks, and losing your flagship to a country with no navy but getting fleeced this hard by some towelheads for their shitty Alibaba tier drone is the funniest bit of the war imo

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Putin isn't bothered by it. Its more money to embezzle off the Russian part of the budget. If the actual state needs money he can just sign off on another loan he doesn't intend on paying.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It probably costs the Iranians 50k to make one. Then they 3x or 4x the price since Russia is desperate.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        on point

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The price includes parts and technology transfer to build a Shaheed factory in Alabuga, Tatarstan

        all is here
        https://simorgh.io/files/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait until you see the other half of the bill

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lmao the seething itt its beautiful

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically what is Russia's end game? I'm not saying they're collooooopsing this year or even next, but they're sure as shit not winning the war or rebuilding their economy anytime soon. They even lost another major refinery last week. Arrows will be pointing down for at least a generation, maybe two. And even then the birth rate is never likely to recover. We witnessed peak Russia in our life times. I will give them that at least they're trying to go out in a memorable way

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia gambled, they were expecting Ukraine to fold immediately. They've shot themselves in the foot and are now utterly fricked

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia is trapped in a death spiral with no way out. Their entire plan was marching to Kiev in 3 days, then absorbing Ukraine and it's resources into Russia proper along with its population. Now their best case scenario is a stalemate with 400-600K Russian soldiers manning the front, with seemingly no end in sight, and Ukraine periodically bombing anything of value forever. The cost of this while not getting any profit is insane.

      [...]
      [...]
      [...]
      This makes the efficiency/cost ratio of Gepards even more insane if you think about it.
      Russians really getting their balls kicked in

      >This makes the efficiency/cost ratio of Gepards even more insane if you think about it.

      Yes, and every major country needs to be investing in SPAAG like this if they are not already. UAV and cruise missile spam will be a tactic moving forward.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The most comical thing is when ziggers paint this as victory because hey, they at least crippled Ukraine. It’s about as much victory as violently mugging someone, getting their wallet and stabbing them, but then getting your own leg shot into smithereens by the victim before he dies.

        Congrats, you committed murder-robbery and the victim sure is dead, but now you’re in wheelchair too. Was it worth it?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not just that, but the mugging was seen by the whole block. People who were scared of muggers now laugh because they know that they are pussies, and other muggers will smell the blood in the water.

          Good metaphor

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's more like you mugged someone, stabbed them, got shot in the leg and crippled, but some third guy sitting in a mansion gets the guys wallet and your wallet.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You just described how all criminal organizations work. Congratulations. It takes entire books for people to realize this.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, the actions of Russians could be considered a win if they were working on suicide bomber / spree killer logic, only caring about inflicting damage on the target no matter what the cost. But we all know that Ukraine never was supposed to be their grand rival or end goal, but the war was supposed to be just one power move towards becoming a superpower. And from that perspective, it’s a fricking failure no matter how hard Ukraine suffers from it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Was it worth it?
          In Russian mind yes.
          Russians due to the criminal genesis of their government (Putin is literally mafia mook) has strong believe thar everything is zero summ game. So to get wealth you need to rob someone (like their government robs them). From here comes conclusion that if you make someone suffer it make your life better.

          So worth it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no winning end game for Russia at this point. The war if fought for Monke’s own end game, eg. he needs to get something he can paint as victory for Z-ombies, consequences coming later on be damned.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’m holding out hope for a collapse in the near future which makes them sell off the eastern half of the country. I know it’s a shitty wasteland for the most part but I want to be a settler like my forefathers goddammit. It’s the closest I could ever come

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I look forward to a future where Eastern Russia and Siberia are reverted back to Mammoth ranges, populated by genetically modified elephants with mammoth genes.

        I would totally settle there

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh frick yeah. Add in some Irish elk and Aurochs while you’re at it. For the southern parts at least

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Handing over lebensraum to the ailing Chinese would be a tremendous loss for everyone else. Keeping Russia as a failed state is better for us.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Who the hell said anything about letting the Chinese have even a scrap of land?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Thinking the Chinese would permit America to share a land border with them
            TZD and all, but you're delusional to imagine such a scenario plays out short of nuclear war.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >america needs chinas permission
              Ok anon. Well in my fantasy scenario they are selling off land and we’d be the highest bidder even if it’s Monopoly money.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Financial times had an interesting article about it. They are becoming dependant on the military war economy to make their numbers look good so citizens don't start to panic and pull their money out.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Peak Russia was prior to WW2 all of their demographics have been a lie since. They never had infinite people. In fact, the reason they're not a greater power on the world stage is precisely because they've been so wasteful with human life in the past

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *prior to WW1.
        The demographic decline starts earlier than WWII.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The end game is Putin's end game, and his end game is milking as much fricking dirty money off this war as possible and then move on to the next racket. If he needs to re-invent the USSR for it, so be it.

      Iranians are israelites, as all Semites are. What is new for you?

      Absolute /misc/ moment.

      Anyway, how much money you think Putin makes off the contracts for the replacement of this VSS right here

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lmao picrel timeline ends at same time the russian carbon profit bounces

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sure, ranjeesh. That's why you supplied us with a statistic from a reputable source to back up that claim, right?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't witness peak Russia. no one did unless they were alive before the Soviet Afghan war which was the definitive drop off.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      After the first month there's no plan, is just regime survival and sunken cost fallacy, not even Putin knows anymore what's going to happen.

      For now, freezing the conflict is the best case scenario, Russia as a global power is gone but he might survive after all, they manage to pull USA out of the war, that's a huge sucess that may give him the oxygen he needed all this time.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The absolute state of poccner. So much for the le cheap multipolar drone narrative

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is an english board, don't post slav runes

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In other news turkey is demanding Russia to lower the price of gas imports.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    idk about source, some random copebelt blog
    also...
    >which promotes illegal arms sales from Iran to Russia
    Why is that illegal?

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >India taking advantage of Russia
    >China taking advantage of Russia
    >Iran taking advantage of Russia
    lmao

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When the local gas station is handing out fuel for 90% off, you fill up all your cars and as many gas cans as you can get.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Iranians wanted 375k$ per unit
    So it's roughly around the same cost to shoot them down with a roadrunner (around 100k - 500k)
    And its cheaper to shoot them down with a block 2 coyote (100k)
    Burgers win again

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ohnonono dronebros, our cheap massproduction meta was a lie!

      This is great justification for the missile-based response to group 2/group 3 drones. Basically a 1:1 cost ratio.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What do we know about Russia's gold reserves? North Korea might take payment in kind e.g. energy, but Iran doesn't need anything from Russia besides money and maybe air defence systems Russia will need for itself.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao is this the reason for all the b***hing and gnashing of teeth today and yesterday? Russians getting israeliteed lol

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Keyed Persians israeliteing russhits

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is the whole deal, factory location, factory schematics, and a whole Shaheed fiberglass body assembly manual there.

    Bonus, all the email from russian plant to iranians

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >On February 4, 2024, PRANA Network announced that they had successfully hacked the email servers of an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps front company called Sahara Thunder, which facilitates the illegal arms sales from Iran to Russia.
    How is it illegal for two consenting sovereign countries to trade weapons?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The US government said you can't trade with Russia.
      >b-but they don't make the rules
      Yes they do.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't seem like it.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    фoт 1900 (kRub)

    so assuming they stel a half and workers get some stellar 100kRub/month, one drone takes 10 man-months?

    bullshit?

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Iranians were paid in gold, at least 2067795 grams of it
    Well the price of gold is less likely to tank than the Rouble

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >$2 billion in gold for sneeds
      >Kimsander cost?

      NEWSFLASH!

      Leaked images show how the Russian MoD lost 0.5% of it's nation's gold reserves per minute during a brief short cut through a mall:

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$48k
    That pic comes from "Пpoeкт мoтopныe лoдки.pdf", it's about motor boats with no reference to drones (pic rel). That figure, $48k seems to be completely unrelated to Geran-2 (russian version with some russian electronics).
    The "Teхнoлoгия пpoизвoдcтвa мoтopнoй лoдки.pdf" shows the production of the shahed composite body. Maybe related to the same company that makes motorboats but nothing more. This file shows nothing about costs, just some basic details on how the body is made.
    And "TEХHИЧECКИE ХAPAКTEPИCTИКИ.pdf" shows a catalog of drones, apparently the doritos are an even larger version of the shahed 136 (wingspan 3 m rather than 2.5m).

    Idk from where came the $193k, $165.5k and $375k figures. The file that shows the gold payment (~$130M) says nothing in particular.
    For example there's absolutely no mention to the Kometa-B quad-antenna that's used in the UMPK "JDAM" kit too. The Kometa-B replaces the 4 GNSS antennas of the shahed.

    The leak shows something but i'm not reading/cat-grep all the mails.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > "Пpoeкт мoтopныe лoдки.pdf", it's about motor boats with no reference to drones (pic rel)
      > The "Teхнoлoгия пpoизвoдcтвa мoтopнoй лoдки.pdf" shows the production of the shahed composite body. Maybe related to the same company that makes motorboats but nothing more
      Its probably some moronic attempt at secrecy.
      First pdf is called "project "motor boats", talks about """"motor boats"""", top right picture on the slide says "list of products: COMPOSITE-body boats(and nothing more)"; and the second pdf you mention, called "technology of producing a motor boat"... for some reason talks about producing shaheds' composite body. There are no boats being made there.
      I understand this all sounds like a conspiracy theory, but we are dealing with glowshit.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nice profit

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >20k>>50k>>200k
    who cares. it's still less than whatever damage it can cause to a command post, ammo depot, a refinery, or mall. it's still cheaper than the SAM used to shoot it down. it changes nothing

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