New hack just dropped
>Cost price is 48k$
>Iranians wanted 375k$ per unit, but agreed for 193k$ per unit
>Price of unit in r*ssia is 165.5k$
>Iranians were paid in gold, at least 2067795 grams of it
https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/stalo-vidomo-skilky-koshtuye-shahed-136-dlya-rosiyi/
Frick out of here with your /misc/ bullshit.
>drone are not weapons
This is a discussion on the cost of a weapons system, how is that not /k/
It doesn't work the other way idiot, I know you're sad your shitty threads got deleted
You seem worried
they debooooooonk the most trivial, asinine shit with ferocity now, sometimes 5 (you)'s at a time, in mere minutes
were *endgame* now, you can feel it
I might be moronic but isn't 165k very cheap? like one of these striking an airport/ aircraft / drone operators / most vehicles / power grid pieces / 2-3 men will likely repay itself.
the embarassing thing is that not even iran wants the ruble
>isn't 165k very cheap
Not for something that has a 90% interception rate. Never believe third worlders when they talk to you about economic damage either, Russia is not winning the war by destroying 8 year old Kias and putting holes in apartments.
>Russia is not winning the war by destroying 8 year old Kias and putting holes in apartments.
No, they are literally stimulating the Ukrainian economy
> one of these striking
> drone operators / most vehicles
Lol what? This isnt lancet or fpv. Its a (cheaper, slightly more accurate and slower)V1.
It cant target frontline targets, it is not controlled by an operator, its slow, it cant maneuver, it is frickhuge, and it loudly announces its presence from literal miles and miles away.
> 2-3 men
Yeah, grandmas in theirs apartments.
>price details of one of the most significant modern weapons used and produced by enemies of the west
>not /k/ relevant
what
But I thought they cost 2 dollars and a goat per drone! Shouln't they cost way less than the Gepard ammo that was shooting them down???
>r*ssia
you are a moron poltard
>165.5k
Holy fricking shit. That's more than a GMLRS round for less effect.
First thing, imagine how big the cut Putin takes off each one of these drones? You know how it is, there's a "tax". It's probably the same on the Iran side of it too.
is the guy sitting there the guy that wrote/drew a book about the things he heard and saw as a kgb camp guard?
Yes, its Danzig Baldaev.
No, on this website its just anti-social american nerds in suburbs who don't leave the house who may or may not be Latin American.
I have only chatted with pol guys who are Hispanic, only white one grew out of it
thanks, the shit that man saw, the shit that he did
does this mean the war is over!!!!!!!!???!??
the vatnik menace is broke!
I refuse to believe a Sasneed suicide drone costs 375k dollar
that is insane
Pay up kafir.
This makes the efficiency/cost ratio of Gepards even more insane if you think about it.
Russians really getting their balls kicked in
>I refuse to believe a Sasneed suicide drone costs 375k dollar
DoD was "selling" to Ukraine M113 for 2 million dollars each. Just because Iran wants 375k for sneedhead doesn't mean it's worth 375k
>Ukraine paid money
Lmfao you guys are losing in avdiivka aren't you
Oh yes
That's why I said "selling" because USA was paying itself for that
It's not about the actual cost but what the towleheads demanded.
Arabs love ripping customers off even more than israelites.
Iranians aren't Arabs you fricking moron
Ignorant morons like yourself are leading the decline of the American Empire. Bad enough that only something like 60% of Americans can read past a 6th grade level.
> Bad enough that only something like 60% of Americans can read past a 6th grade level.
Coincidently about 40% of the nation is nonwhite
The reverse Flynn Effect doesn't smile upon us. IQs are falling even in the most homogenous developed countries, like Iceland. Modernity apparently breeds morons, because it's kinder to low time preference cohorts of any ethnic or racial group, as long as there are enough bright people to grease the wheels of its machinery.
>Modernity apparently breeds morons
Or maybe it's just we can see any moron spreading his bs live at any second. Modernity my ass. Do you think there was a lot of modernity when people hunted cats during a plague?
>Do you think there was a lot of modernity when people hunted cats during a plague?
This is a myth, there’s no evidence it ever happened. Most of this kind of shit was made up by abolitionists poisoning the well of medievalism that the plantation holder class was so enamored of. Literally Mark Twain and co mad that Ivanhoe was popular with slave owning twits.
>Or maybe it's just we can see any moron spreading his bs live at any second. Modernity my ass.
Calm down for a second.
If you have a high IQ and thus more likely to pursue higher education, you will bust your ass either going for the masters/PhD or spend a few years in internships. It's not impossible to meet someone, settle down and have kids, but you'll be doing it in hard mode. Here's a follow up kick to the nuts. Many women in your "league" also pursuing a rewarding career in a demanding field may have made the conscious decision to not have kids as a preemptive cope. Either way if they want to have kids the clock is against them. I don't even need to get on any incel, redpill, MGTOW ideology to spin a narrative about how women suck. The fact is that both you and your partner are more likely to put your lives on hold as IQ individuals.
If you have a lower IQ, you'll most likely get a job out of highschool or even drop out, you most likely marry someone in your IQ range, you'll be more likely to get someone knocked up in your teens and if you have the foresight of not seriously using the pullout method as an actual contraceptive, you'll be more likely to have kids in your 20s.
Modernity breeds morons because those who want to go further and use their higher intelligence are less likely to have kids and when they do they typically have less of them.
> Modernity apparently breeds morons
I agree. However I think a large part of that is schools have to cater to the lowest common denominator, which is now third world tards. The smart kids are still the smart kids and they’ll figure shit out and succeed. But the average ones will be fine with barely trying, not learning much, and still getting a B’s. It’s a race to the bottom
They are close enough now. When you mix Muslims in, they become good as arabs.
t. Persian
Weak bait.
javelin costs $200k and they are basically the same thing
they cost $2k to build
One is a tried and true weapon of war that required massive investment to develop. The other is literally a wooden RC plane, propelled by stolen engines from the West (and subsequently very cheap Chinese tier copies).
There is no comparison.
the entire design is stolen
Stealing is not a bad thing in competition. That's basically how America got it's start too.
>There is no comparison.
besides both being massively over priced
>they cost $2k to build
Source?
The Javlin at least hits its target with a relative certainty.
>basically the same thing
They are in now way, shape or form the same
1. Iran is under sanctions which makes anything costly.
2. They are also intentionally bilking Russians.
Iranians are israelites, as all Semites are. What is new for you?
Anon…the Iranians are Aryan.
No they are gypsy israelites who pretend that they aren't literally we wuz kangs of Persia n shit while in reality they only care about whatever is their alternative to shekels
>Cut off dicks - check
>Wear funny hats - check
>Greedy for money as goblins - check
>Noses - check
>Heckin 6 gorillion years of ancient history - check
Sounds israeli enough to me
Apart from the history point you just described burgers too
At this point I am convinced that ~90% of antisemitism is Northern Europeans never meeting any meds or middle easterners. That’s how they all roll, with, perhaps, the exception of Spaniards
Iranians are muttified after centuries of being conquered, but iranians are not semites thoughbeit
>Iranians are da joos
are you mad?
I'm gonna say this since it might be of use to you: a lot of that sissy black fetishist porn you see on /gif/ revolves around the concept of the israelites basically forcing you to be bisexual and frick black guys. Like, the media/whatever forcing you to be gay. Use this information wisely.
Have fun attempting to explain that to the average vatnik.
I find myself noticing that many girls in Europe and the US just find (some) blacks / mudslides hot.
Not the sub Sahara coal black monkey sapiens but the caramel ones with soft looking skin and skinny frames.
I don't think it's some agenda I just think you're racist and trying to project
Absolute complete non sequitur. Read what I said again.
Sure schizo
>Iranians
>semites
So this is the power of /misc/ “””knowledge”””, mother of God
Remember this whenever someone using /misc/ buzzwords tells you literally anything about military matters, economics or history.
I never ever needed this, but i try to educate myself.
There was an anon that did an incredibly autistic breakdown about a year ago of the cost to manufacture them, and came to a similar conclusion. I don’t have it saved, but maybe somebody can find it in the archive.
russia has no choice
uhm sweety they had one, 2 years ago
Some autist In October of 2022 went over this as well:
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/55838101/
Checked and here you go.
what's the tl;dr on the final estimate chadsneed production cost here?
Jizya tax
There are the turret tosses, the daily suicideniks, and losing your flagship to a country with no navy but getting fleeced this hard by some towelheads for their shitty Alibaba tier drone is the funniest bit of the war imo
Putin isn't bothered by it. Its more money to embezzle off the Russian part of the budget. If the actual state needs money he can just sign off on another loan he doesn't intend on paying.
It probably costs the Iranians 50k to make one. Then they 3x or 4x the price since Russia is desperate.
on point
The price includes parts and technology transfer to build a Shaheed factory in Alabuga, Tatarstan
all is here
https://simorgh.io/files/
Wait until you see the other half of the bill
lmao the seething itt its beautiful
Unironically what is Russia's end game? I'm not saying they're collooooopsing this year or even next, but they're sure as shit not winning the war or rebuilding their economy anytime soon. They even lost another major refinery last week. Arrows will be pointing down for at least a generation, maybe two. And even then the birth rate is never likely to recover. We witnessed peak Russia in our life times. I will give them that at least they're trying to go out in a memorable way
Russia gambled, they were expecting Ukraine to fold immediately. They've shot themselves in the foot and are now utterly fricked
Russia is trapped in a death spiral with no way out. Their entire plan was marching to Kiev in 3 days, then absorbing Ukraine and it's resources into Russia proper along with its population. Now their best case scenario is a stalemate with 400-600K Russian soldiers manning the front, with seemingly no end in sight, and Ukraine periodically bombing anything of value forever. The cost of this while not getting any profit is insane.
>This makes the efficiency/cost ratio of Gepards even more insane if you think about it.
Yes, and every major country needs to be investing in SPAAG like this if they are not already. UAV and cruise missile spam will be a tactic moving forward.
The most comical thing is when ziggers paint this as victory because hey, they at least crippled Ukraine. It’s about as much victory as violently mugging someone, getting their wallet and stabbing them, but then getting your own leg shot into smithereens by the victim before he dies.
Congrats, you committed murder-robbery and the victim sure is dead, but now you’re in wheelchair too. Was it worth it?
Not just that, but the mugging was seen by the whole block. People who were scared of muggers now laugh because they know that they are pussies, and other muggers will smell the blood in the water.
Good metaphor
It's more like you mugged someone, stabbed them, got shot in the leg and crippled, but some third guy sitting in a mansion gets the guys wallet and your wallet.
You just described how all criminal organizations work. Congratulations. It takes entire books for people to realize this.
Yeah, the actions of Russians could be considered a win if they were working on suicide bomber / spree killer logic, only caring about inflicting damage on the target no matter what the cost. But we all know that Ukraine never was supposed to be their grand rival or end goal, but the war was supposed to be just one power move towards becoming a superpower. And from that perspective, it’s a fricking failure no matter how hard Ukraine suffers from it.
>Was it worth it?
In Russian mind yes.
Russians due to the criminal genesis of their government (Putin is literally mafia mook) has strong believe thar everything is zero summ game. So to get wealth you need to rob someone (like their government robs them). From here comes conclusion that if you make someone suffer it make your life better.
So worth it.
There is no winning end game for Russia at this point. The war if fought for Monke’s own end game, eg. he needs to get something he can paint as victory for Z-ombies, consequences coming later on be damned.
I’m holding out hope for a collapse in the near future which makes them sell off the eastern half of the country. I know it’s a shitty wasteland for the most part but I want to be a settler like my forefathers goddammit. It’s the closest I could ever come
I look forward to a future where Eastern Russia and Siberia are reverted back to Mammoth ranges, populated by genetically modified elephants with mammoth genes.
I would totally settle there
Oh frick yeah. Add in some Irish elk and Aurochs while you’re at it. For the southern parts at least
Handing over lebensraum to the ailing Chinese would be a tremendous loss for everyone else. Keeping Russia as a failed state is better for us.
Who the hell said anything about letting the Chinese have even a scrap of land?
>Thinking the Chinese would permit America to share a land border with them
TZD and all, but you're delusional to imagine such a scenario plays out short of nuclear war.
>america needs chinas permission
Ok anon. Well in my fantasy scenario they are selling off land and we’d be the highest bidder even if it’s Monopoly money.
Financial times had an interesting article about it. They are becoming dependant on the military war economy to make their numbers look good so citizens don't start to panic and pull their money out.
Peak Russia was prior to WW2 all of their demographics have been a lie since. They never had infinite people. In fact, the reason they're not a greater power on the world stage is precisely because they've been so wasteful with human life in the past
*prior to WW1.
The demographic decline starts earlier than WWII.
The end game is Putin's end game, and his end game is milking as much fricking dirty money off this war as possible and then move on to the next racket. If he needs to re-invent the USSR for it, so be it.
Absolute /misc/ moment.
Anyway, how much money you think Putin makes off the contracts for the replacement of this VSS right here
lmao picrel timeline ends at same time the russian carbon profit bounces
sure, ranjeesh. That's why you supplied us with a statistic from a reputable source to back up that claim, right?
I didn't witness peak Russia. no one did unless they were alive before the Soviet Afghan war which was the definitive drop off.
After the first month there's no plan, is just regime survival and sunken cost fallacy, not even Putin knows anymore what's going to happen.
For now, freezing the conflict is the best case scenario, Russia as a global power is gone but he might survive after all, they manage to pull USA out of the war, that's a huge sucess that may give him the oxygen he needed all this time.
The absolute state of poccner. So much for the le cheap multipolar drone narrative
This is an english board, don't post slav runes
In other news turkey is demanding Russia to lower the price of gas imports.
idk about source, some random copebelt blog
also...
>which promotes illegal arms sales from Iran to Russia
Why is that illegal?
>India taking advantage of Russia
>China taking advantage of Russia
>Iran taking advantage of Russia
lmao
When the local gas station is handing out fuel for 90% off, you fill up all your cars and as many gas cans as you can get.
>Iranians wanted 375k$ per unit
So it's roughly around the same cost to shoot them down with a roadrunner (around 100k - 500k)
And its cheaper to shoot them down with a block 2 coyote (100k)
Burgers win again
Ohnonono dronebros, our cheap massproduction meta was a lie!
This is great justification for the missile-based response to group 2/group 3 drones. Basically a 1:1 cost ratio.
What do we know about Russia's gold reserves? North Korea might take payment in kind e.g. energy, but Iran doesn't need anything from Russia besides money and maybe air defence systems Russia will need for itself.
Lmao is this the reason for all the b***hing and gnashing of teeth today and yesterday? Russians getting israeliteed lol
Keyed Persians israeliteing russhits
There is the whole deal, factory location, factory schematics, and a whole Shaheed fiberglass body assembly manual there.
Bonus, all the email from russian plant to iranians
>On February 4, 2024, PRANA Network announced that they had successfully hacked the email servers of an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps front company called Sahara Thunder, which facilitates the illegal arms sales from Iran to Russia.
How is it illegal for two consenting sovereign countries to trade weapons?
The US government said you can't trade with Russia.
>b-but they don't make the rules
Yes they do.
Doesn't seem like it.
фoт 1900 (kRub)
so assuming they stel a half and workers get some stellar 100kRub/month, one drone takes 10 man-months?
bullshit?
>Iranians were paid in gold, at least 2067795 grams of it
Well the price of gold is less likely to tank than the Rouble
>$2 billion in gold for sneeds
>Kimsander cost?
NEWSFLASH!
Leaked images show how the Russian MoD lost 0.5% of it's nation's gold reserves per minute during a brief short cut through a mall:
>$48k
That pic comes from "Пpoeкт мoтopныe лoдки.pdf", it's about motor boats with no reference to drones (pic rel). That figure, $48k seems to be completely unrelated to Geran-2 (russian version with some russian electronics).
The "Teхнoлoгия пpoизвoдcтвa мoтopнoй лoдки.pdf" shows the production of the shahed composite body. Maybe related to the same company that makes motorboats but nothing more. This file shows nothing about costs, just some basic details on how the body is made.
And "TEХHИЧECКИE ХAPAКTEPИCTИКИ.pdf" shows a catalog of drones, apparently the doritos are an even larger version of the shahed 136 (wingspan 3 m rather than 2.5m).
Idk from where came the $193k, $165.5k and $375k figures. The file that shows the gold payment (~$130M) says nothing in particular.
For example there's absolutely no mention to the Kometa-B quad-antenna that's used in the UMPK "JDAM" kit too. The Kometa-B replaces the 4 GNSS antennas of the shahed.
The leak shows something but i'm not reading/cat-grep all the mails.
> "Пpoeкт мoтopныe лoдки.pdf", it's about motor boats with no reference to drones (pic rel)
> The "Teхнoлoгия пpoизвoдcтвa мoтopнoй лoдки.pdf" shows the production of the shahed composite body. Maybe related to the same company that makes motorboats but nothing more
Its probably some moronic attempt at secrecy.
First pdf is called "project "motor boats", talks about """"motor boats"""", top right picture on the slide says "list of products: COMPOSITE-body boats(and nothing more)"; and the second pdf you mention, called "technology of producing a motor boat"... for some reason talks about producing shaheds' composite body. There are no boats being made there.
I understand this all sounds like a conspiracy theory, but we are dealing with glowshit.
nice profit
>20k>>50k>>200k
who cares. it's still less than whatever damage it can cause to a command post, ammo depot, a refinery, or mall. it's still cheaper than the SAM used to shoot it down. it changes nothing