>Low quality of used materials
>Constantly breaks
>Sensitive to dirt, even the tiniest spec of sand causes the bolt to be stuck half way and prevents you from field disassembly
>A lot of small details so it's difficult to do field disassembly
>Low quality extractor pin cause double feeding
>Low quality bolt cracks
>Metallic parts are prone to corrosion
>Plastic prone to cracking, especially during frost
>Firing pins cracking
>Big wobble in magazine well, this causes mags to drop when running
>Doesn't work with last gen Magpul mags
In 850 guns:
>2 stocks broke
>7 firing pins broke
>3 gas blocks literally flew away when shooting
>2 compensators broke
>Almost ALL recoil guide rods are done for or soon they will be done for
Now, apparently neither CZ BREN2 or FN guns had issues like that, so it's definitely not
>lmao wectern arms bad.
Source:
>Polis- [INCOHERENT ESL BABBLE]
Done.
Solved in newest version 🙂
>newish rifle entering service has issues
holy shit stop the presses
Making a new rifle is not an excuse to use shit materials.
Firing pins exist on nearly every firearm on Earth and use the exact same technology. That's not a product of the design.
>no other firing pin has ever broken
It's been a LONG time since it's been a recurring problem on a design that wasn't an unapologetic POS.
>Czs
>Beretta pico
This is like a brit bong doing mental gymnastics for the fricking l85a1, admit ur third world nation cant into firearms
no refunds
You haven't shot a single Polish firearm produced for the domestic market. You're just talking out of your ass.
>u need to shoot it to have an opinion on it!!
>pls ignore the video on how we cant get firing pins right....pls...
>t. seething Krautoid
Have the Poles ever made a good gun? They managed to take the AK and turn it into this hunk of shit.
whats wrong with the beryl its just an AK with railz
It's pole trash. Have you ever heard of the joke of doing something the Pollack way? This is basically that in AK form.
ok so its nothing got it
Polish AKs are some of the worst feature-wise, quality wise at least they hold up.
>too stupid to pin the sight block without canting them, so back up the sight block to the gas block resulting in a shorter sight radius and killing the use of any standard AK muzzle device
>want to mount optics, so put a rail on top that sits 3-4" higher, nevermind that humans actually have to try to mount optics on this tall ass thing and actually use them, they should just have 4" fatter cheeks (even the pistol they put a gas block rail that's comically high, picrel)
>mess up the receiver dimensions? oh well, just mess up the selector switch too so it fits, nevermind that you can't use standard AK selectors now
As I said, Pollack way. Your AK is the butt of a joke you're not even aware of.
You'll also notice that there's no way to use the front iron sight with that rail in the way, no attempt at adding a rear sight, and the fricking rail is permanent lmao. The front sight is just there for no reason, or maybe it has a Pollack reason I'm not aware of.
You're the butt of the joke because you bought some homosexual obsolete "beryl pistol" made to score some quick buck on fatasses and Black folk. We don't have this crap in the army here, a mini-beryl has a folding stock (unavailable for your disgusting fat ass because you're too moronic to own an SBR according to your government or smthing), and the sight setup is some obsolete stop-gap nonsense from the 90s.
Lmaoing @ your life here fatso
>You'll also notice that there's no way to use the front iron sight with that rail in the way, no attempt at adding a rear sight, and the fricking rail is permanent lmao. The front sight is just there for no reason, or maybe it has a Pollack reason I'm not aware of.
/k/ gun expert exposed.
It has a flipup sight inside that rail.
I do agree pistol rifle is moronic idea, but im not the one making US gun law, money is money. $$$
>>want to mount optics, so put a rail on top that sits 3-4" higher, nevermind that humans actually have to try to mount optics on this tall ass thing and actually use them
>what is unity mount
lmao kys noguns
>put a rail on top that sits 3-4" higher,
is that not just fault of the AK design itself?
>Your AK
im not polish dumbass dont understand how the pollack lives rent free in your noggin
>is that not just fault of the AK design itself?
The current rail system is very flat, it's just a b***h to field strip when you use the full-sized one.
What he posted is a bubba'd-up of a rifle that would've been discarded if it didn't get sold to uninformed American customers.
It's kinda like a hobo complaining about a restaurant because the food he dug out of their dumpster was spoiled.
>im not polish dumbass dont understand how the pollack lives rent free in your noggin
He's probably a German. No other nationality here on /k/ seethes so much about Poland than the G*rmoids.
I'd say it's American trailer trash based on the gun he posted, that abomination probably doesn't even exist outside the USA. The amount of gun gore they produce because of nonsensical laws is absolutely disgusting and they fancy themselves experts on service weapons based on limited interaction with a product designed for poor and uninformed customers.
It's so fricking clownish and bizarre.
Germans are Poles enemies for over 1000 years:
>“The Slavs must also be made subject to the orders of this assembly or must be exterminated.”
-- Bavarian Duke Henry II 985-990.
>Falkenberg wrote a book, Liber de doctrina, published 1416,[2] opposing Polish scholar Paulus Vladimiri. Liber de doctrina argued that the King of Poland and his adherents were idolators, and unbelievers; that the opposition against them was noble and praiseworthy. In Liber de doctrina Falkenberg justified the tyrannicide advocated by the Franciscan Jean Petit. Falkenberg concluded that it was lawful to kill the King of Poland and his associates.[3]
>Falkenberg also argued, in Liber de doctrina, that "the Emperor has the right to slay even peaceful infidels simply because they are pagans (...). The Poles deserve death for defending infidels, and should be exterminated even more than the infidels; they should be deprived of their sovereignty and reduced to slavery."[1] Stanislaus F. Belch in his work Paulus Vladimiri and his Doctrine concerning International Law and Politics wrote that he was the first writer to formulate justification of genocide.[1]
>Falkenberg also published Satira in 1412, further attacking the Poles and King Jogaila. At this time King Jogaila was Christian, as was Lithuania. Falkenberg called King Jogaila a "mad dog," unworthy to be king.[4] In a later work Tres tractatuli,[5] published in 1416[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Constance#Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic_conflict
>Hit the Poles so hard that they despair of their life; I have full sympathy with their condition, but if we want to survive, we can only exterminate them; the wolf, too, cannot help having been created by God as he is, but people shoot him for it if they can.
-- Otto von Bismarck
Based Germs.
The weak should live under the boots of stronk.
DAS RITEEE
So, tell me poolak, why are you such lapdogs for the freea masonic/satanic west? The very same entity that is trying to exterminate you?
>why are you such lapdogs
>"us Prussians ... are the Poles equal brothers or their servants"
>us Prussians
>are the Poles
>servants
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danzig_law
Okay, beaner,
There go the idiot subhuman IQ poolak pretended ng it knows whom it's replying to.
You pale skin ed Black person deserve to be exterminated.
They're probably pajeet. This is prime Indian astroturfing hours
Case and point.
Nah, it's the /chug/ beaner.
>/chug/ beaner
I guess that's what being a third world favela dwelling Black person does to a brain.
I bet he has no guns
MEANWHILE
I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died
Who gave that right to me
And I'd gladly stand up next to you
And defend Her still today
'Cause there ain't no doubt
I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A.
Stopped reading at
>Where at least I know I'm free
XD
subhuman slav(e)shits are clowns. Don't try to think too hard, your pea brains may start bleeding.
>gets riled up by a vatnik
>starts seething at krauts
Very organic lmao
You present a past where pooland was somewhat independent, that hasn't been the case since WW2. And those good old days will never retrun...yous are a vassal of USA now and yous will have to go full Taliban to free yourselves of their tentacles.
I'll make your proposition more honest: "please sever your alliance with America so that we can partition you with Germany again".
Sorry Ivan, it's your country that's getting partitioned this time. Better start learning Chineese, you little b***h, because half of your ass will belong to mr Chang. We'll use the other half for target practice.
>alliance with America
>alliance
The great never ending Polish delusions.
For us it was about keeping krauts from becoming an imperial power again and destroying the russian imperial project.
Krauts are being kept from becoming an imperial power and russia is getting curbstomped right now. And all we had to do to get here was to kill some sandBlack folk for Uncle Sam and send some arms shipments to Ukraine.
I don't think anyone's made a better deal within the past 100 years. It's absolutely amazing.
>I don't think anyone's made a better deal within the past 100 years.
Discrepancy between GDP/capita and median wage tells otherwise but hey if you're happy...
>You present a past where pooland was somewhat independent,
>somewhat independent,
KEK
>somewhat
xDDDDDD
you still got buck broken by russki and prussians
>so put a rail on top that sits 3-4" higher,
Not a problem.
Remember when magwell grip was super popular?
Is nobody else gonna call out this moron for thinking that fatter cheeks will somehow overcome insanely low comb height somehow? Please don't tell me this guy thinks you shoot with your heads sideways XD
>polish AK's
>good
Frick no, I will no longer accept Polish AK's into my store as product or trade ins, I've had too many lemons.
Did you put "no lemons" on the order sheet? Can't complain then.
>They managed to take the AK and turn it into this hunk of shit.
Better than the AK-12 in every aspect.
In zero aspects, the AK12/15 is a decent improvement. Your polishit doesn't have a low profile top rail or adjustable gas block.
No, you just use a side rail like everyone else. Or do it the Pollack way and use a 5" tall shoulder thing that goes up.
>the AK12/15 is a decent improvement
didn't the 12 lose zero everytime you took the dust cover off
I mean that thing looked barely above one of those tapco replacements
I doubt they knew going in Im sure they just thought they were "NATO standard rifles" and better than their 50 year old 74's
>that abomination probably doesn't even exist outside the USA.
regard
That soldier is using a weapon equipped with a folding stock that's missing from your "bubba's pistol" and the rail system itself is obsolete because it was replaced with a flat version.
It's basically a meme solution that was rolled out for GWOT because we wanted our guys to use optics rather than iron sights. You got that in your store because you're effectively dumpster diving with your shopping. It's a discarded consumable with missing parts, and you fricking bought it.
>It's a discarded consumable with missing parts, and you fricking bought it.
dont really get why you keep driving this point
Because it's kinda important. It was a temporary solution that everyone knew was imperfect. This moron is complaining about things that aren't even a thing with current-issue equipment and is simultaneously praising the rifle for build quality, the only thing that piece of shit might have in common with a government-issue rifle or even an S-series rifle as sold in Poland.
I hate everything about this part of US gun culture, it's morons buying trash that should've never been sold because it's "army guns" and then spreading misinformation about actual equipment.
>it's morons buying trash that should've never been sold because it's "army guns"
more like novelty "oh cool a beryl we havent had those" mini beryls arent even big sellers compared to other imports.
Also in defense of other anon that *was* how the rifle was issued they still apply to that version
>mini beryls arent even big sellers
That's an understatement. Frickers don't sell at all
>Also in defense of other anon that *was* how the rifle was issued they still apply to that version
Kinda, but it wasn't issued like that - it was never a "pistol". I'm pretty sure that the way this small disaster of a weapon happened was someone in FB realized they have a bunch of leftover obsolete parts that can't be sold domestically and they went with "eh, Americans will gobble it up".
It's really scummy on their part and they're doing themselves a disservice with such stunts. Like I said, I dislike both parts of the equation here.
That being said, it's crazy how people buying these novelty items tend to be very opinionated about current-issue service rifles.
So yeah, that anon is kinda right about that particular gun being trash by modern-day standards, but that's a give when you buy something like that.
If you want a beryl, buy the current production sporterized one. If you want a beryl that's similar to the military weapon, avoid the 762 one.
I forgot to upload a picture, so here it goes. This is basically the only Beryl variant that makes sense from a civilian standpoint, if you see anything that doesn't look like this you're essentially getting scammed.
A KAC or RVG is better than the military issue foregrip. The polish foregrip feels like dry weak plastic. Also the mil issue pistol grip is too small for my hands. Fingers can't fit into the grooves comfortably. I use the Polish FATTY grips on mine which is also technically canon/clone correct
Yeah, the standard issue grip exists mostly to be dismounted and used as a paper weight. Other than that, it's a perfectly fine AK with rails.
Actually fricking hilarious the seething coming from your jealous brown EU fingers. Can't handle the fact that americans like to buy funs for fun, you will never fit in here so please don't bother visiting. also post guns.
>it was never a "pistol"
no one was complaining about the lack of stock
afaik theres no difference design wise between pistol version and the rifle
yeah I think you can still buy them on atlantic lol
beryl is nearly 30 years old (1995) rushed conversion to 5,56 to have anything serviceable in nato caliber - it was cheap, mass produced stopgap. comparing it with latest AK version might be a bit much...
AK-12 is complete garbage.
is there a gun with less soul than this piece of ugly?
Have fun finding 5.45x39 ammo and AKs at reasonable prices after Biden passes another sanction and starts another European war
COPE and SEETHE more GERM:
looks like hood sprayer
Looks like a fallout 3 gun
you might say that but you probably got a an import put together by blind apes in some storage container. the actual military guns given to soldiers are great all around and im surprised why the polish military would use ACR meme guns over it, aspecially when it makes barely any difference if they just updated the furniture on the beryl
>spend some absurd amount of money to field test a new system facing backlash from soldiers/army command and potentially put your own people at risk
vs
>send a few crates to a conflict zone for proper combat tests with little risk because nobody gives a shit about few extra dead hohols
Thanks for betatesting i guess
I love how the best cope stupid poles can come up with is "i-it was a new rifle, we fixed all the issues by now" and they just admit that poland doesn't know what quality control is and fields untested rifles
The US sent early M16s directly to combat units where it also had problems. A rifle having problems early in its service is not new or unusual.
You would think that in 2023 people with the advances in science people would start making things good from the get-go. I don't think people make passenger planes with betatesting in mind.
Turns out engineering in 2023 isn't significantly different from engineering in 1923 and the only thing that has changed is access to slightly better tools and faster calculators.
Some issues don’t become apparent until real widespread use in the field.
850 units is not even widespread use.
You're a fricking moron.
already debunked
Now reboonked.
It kills Black folk dead
Not watching video but what makes PMAGs not work? They do make EMAGs for rifles that don't fit Ps
>a nation of janitors and plumbers makes a shit rifle
Color me shocked
BREN 2 chads stay winning
805 looked much better imo. 2 is otherwise compete upgrade.
CZ de-Laugo-ing their designs has a been a disaster aesthetically, the new Scorpion EVO version looks horrendous
I wasn’t a fan of the styling of the lower but it’s grown on me. Helps that the poly seems to be very durable
Going by translated ukie comments it seems like they got a bunch of shitty A1s, A1s+ that broke when you looked at them too hard but they love their A2s.
afaik Poles are starting to produce A3 now
>Going by translated ukie comments it seems like they got a bunch of shitty A1s, A1s+ that broke when you looked at them too hard but they love their A2s. afaik Poles are starting to produce A3 now
If the Poles know the A1 sucks, why even bother to donate to a warzone?? It just creates more problems and hurts the user.
Just melt down the metal and plastic and make something else with it.
Oh, another one of those /threads, I was starting to miss those.
GROT is awesome, Ukies love it and want more, plenty of videos with them being used in the field killing Ziggers.
You can now entertain me with your seethe, go on, don't be shy.
>Ukies love it and want more
Of course they do, beggars can't be choosers.
yes, they are in a war and ask for everything they can get + they are the biggest polish bootlickers atm
>hurrr the type 94 kill gi good despite the problems so it good anyway
post guns lmfao, absolutely braindead Black person tier take
A """country""" with draconian gun laws sucks at gun manufacturing.
It's like their own moronic laws moron R&D in this tech industry.
I'm schocked!
>draconian gun laws
>unregulated magazines
>unregulated suppressors
>unregulated full-auto lower receivers (for some moronic reason the essential gun parts include barrels and upper receivers but not lowers)
Let's just leave it at...poolaks are too stoopid and incompetent to develope a good quality rifle.
There, all fixed
Your lies won't bring back all the puccians grots killed and will kill, pidor.
>spend some money and sign into a sports/collectors club
>draconian
>draconian gun laws
lmao, most of Europe wish to have same gun laws as we do
>If the Poles know the A1 sucks, why even bother to donate to a warzone?? It just creates more problems and hurts the user.
>implying we give a frick
the story is hohols got most used and oldest variants from our territorial defence and we bought ourselves new ones
>the story is hohols got most used and oldest variants from our territorial defence and we bought ourselves new ones
Besides getting people killed, you're ruining your own reputation by sending old, faulty guns.
slav(e)s fricking over other slav(e)s is an ancient cultural tradition.
>Besides getting people killed
>ukrainians
>people
lmao
who would name a gun GROT anyway? has to be the ugliest name for a gun
It means arrow/spearhead.
based manchild moron
na, thats just your digusting excuse of a "language" even czechs arent as bad
nah he's right, you are just a seething manchild, your comment on czechs proves it
It gets better. In Bongland, 'grot' means particularly seedy porn.
lots of 3rd world seethe lately
Before the war I didn't have an opinion about thirdies. Now I think we should deliberately cause a famine there and then refuse them any humanitarian aid.
That's utterly reprehensible, anon. What we should do is wait for a famine to occur on its own and do nothing to help. That's just letting nature run its course. If anyone complains, we can say intervening would be colonialist or something.
if its shit why distribute it to frontline troops and not simply give it to guards and non combat personnel? Ukies have a wide choice of guns so why bother with it at all?
If it's shit then why ukies ordered more of those, paid in cash?
I don't know why anyone would buy Polish products, let alone Polish weaponry.
This is a good shakedown. If there was no problems the shakedown would be less worth because design was likely overengineered and to get overbuild out of it they will have to break things in future.
Now with a little bit more plastic, some more bolt thread and metal etc. on the standard design can closer to optimum.
like clockwork
you literally described yourself
Hilarious to see the Polish cope always show up like clockwork. "All problems fixed in the new version :*~~"
moron ass country wasn't able to find the issues in the first place before adopting them, yet somehow poolacks are confident that there will be no further issues despite their apparent blindness.
This is literally the M-16 drama all over again except instead of American conscripts complaining it's a bunch of dumbass Polish journos and MPs.
>no source obvious ESL babbel
>Cyrillic only YouTube vid
>no other proof
I'm sorry but due to the other attempts of misinformation we respectfully request additional sources on your findings, if you can not provide them then please frick off.
>Haha Grot is awesome the Ukranians are BEGGING for me
>Ew pls ignore what the Ukranians say about the Grot
Poolack brain
W-what?
Russia falling apart but numbers
Ukrainians confused and raiding well
America will enter December
Check em
Still better than the SAR-21
>SAR-21
whats that got to do with anything
>Gets called out on their awful product
>Hahaha, rent free, you must be vatnik, firing pins cracking after a year of use is completely normal, Poland stronk!!
>firing pins cracking after a year of use is completely normal
in very adverse military setting with thousands of rounds fired? yeah I'm very okay with that, especially given it was an issue in less than 1% of cases (7/850)
like tell me motherfricked didn't the US update their M16 after vietnam?
>didn't the US update their M16 after vietnam?
the A1 to A2 upgrade was mainly for ergos and then other silly stuff the muhreens wanted
>motherfricked didn't the US update
As others said, yes. That was 60 years ago when small arms development was still being figured out. Poland struggling to make a reliable AR-18 clone in this day and age when there are dozens of military-adopted ones already on the market isn't the same thing.
>As others said, yes. That was 60 years ago when small arms development was still being figured out.
well going by that logic cars shouldn't have failures and recalls should they? well they do
> Poland struggling to make a reliable AR-18 clone in this day and age when there are dozens of military-adopted ones already on the market isn't the same thing.
read the story of cz bren
tldr it was so fricked up they had to make bren 2
it happens man
>well going by that logic cars shouldn't have failures and recalls should they
Correct, and the fact that they do is pathetic and shouldn't be excused.
>Polish product
>low quality
many such cases
OP chimpout in progress. The beryl is a nice AK and a welcome addition to the import lineup in USA. The biggest problem is mags and muzzle devices. Hopefully we get the GROT too.
>Hopefully we get the GROT too.
Right now it's ridiculously hard to get one even in Poland. Everything is sold out and I have a feeling that they're too busy with pumping out C16 A2s for the troops to bother with readying a new batch of S16s for the market.
On a brighter note, this probably means that once gun stores are able to restock, it'll probably be the latest version available.
There's a big difference between buying guns for fun and scooping up discarded, mutilated trash and then seething it's not in line with your expectations.
Luv me Beryl. It will take AC Unity mags and feed reliably. RTG Parts has them usually for pretty cheap compared to OEM Beryl mags.
Why do krauts hate poles so much bros
No one likes a "country" LARPing as a nation
Same reason pisskraine and france is hated.
Go back to harassing white women online Ranjeep
brown
why do gun designers make up stupid unreliable designs when good designs have existed for decades? the owen gun for example, according to wikipedia, could function after being drenched in sand or mud- if we reached peak reliability back then WHY do guns keep on getting designed that are worse?
and yes there are owen guns with magazines inserted below instead of above
>why do gun designers make up stupid unreliable designs when good designs have existed for decades? the owen gun for example, according to wikipedia, could function after being drenched in sand or mud- if we reached peak reliability back then WHY do guns keep on getting designed that are worse?
idk ask SIG engineers why their MCX Spear LT barrel is fricked up
samgay poolack seething
>seething
i just have guns and know about their issues anon
I can talk about SIG fricking up their products all day long but I'm sure you'd be unable to keep up since you never held a gun in your life
>THEM STUPID POLES CANT MAKE A RELIABLE RIFLE
I guess SIG outsourced its engineering department to poland
so it seems, so it seems
VDV company surrendered - shitskins spamming muh Bradley's.
rekt russian company near antonovsky bridge - this copium. bet u that 50 oikrainians whacked whole puccian company was using grot screencap this
GROT GROT GROT
>poolack
what is it now? why are turdies malding so badly again?
>Polish GROT is SHIT
par for the course,
for the stupidest homosexual nation on earth, ever
Why does everyone always bully us poor poles? Why does no one ever call out the fricking krauts for taking over Europe and trying to end us all again? Why do nice poles always lose...