The precursors left behind a near infinite stockpile of their most advanced technology. Even the most decadent westerners would be grateful to receive such a blessing from those who came before.
Existing pods work fine and were designed to pull G's in combat, fly in all weathers etc. You get the wiring harness etc and you can use switches and other components from your aircraft boneyard to produce as tidy a job as you wish. You could extract tubes etc but that's not necessary.
A T&E and some real world target practice (might as well expend rockets on opponents) and you're good to go. Rocket pods aren't very heavy being mostly aluminum except for their suspension lugs. Using an aircraft rack makes connection, maintenance etc REALLY easy. If want you could sling load full pods with a simple jib crane welded from pipe or tubing etc.
Someone should make ballistic tables for use with a simple hardware store inclinometer easily attached to the pod (or use a magnet on the inclinometer with a strip of steel screwed to the pod for quick swapout).
There is "being cool" and there is winning the war. The invasion of Ukraine was a bad idea from a moral, political, strategic standpoint. The whole world, with the exception of a few countries, denounced the invasion. That has more influence on the outcome of this war than what type of IFV you field.
Does it count as a "technical" when it's a purpose-built weapon system instead of Black person-rigging whatever weapons you have into whatever vehicles you have?
Well, the purpose built weapon system is the stuff on the back. You could mount it on anything, including a regular civilian truck. US military calls these Non-Standard Tactical Vehicles.
What's wrong with this? It's agile, very mobile and has a great volume of fire. In many ways it's like the HIMARS just with slightly worse range and accuracy
If someone makes the effort to produce ballistic tables there IS nothing wrong with the idea.
https://i.imgur.com/h0bWfvp.jpg
I unironically love technicals but it doesn't look good for a major military power to be resulting to them. The last time the US did was Vietnam guntrucks and we saw how that ended.
Seeing Russia is forced to use them I would prefer to see the much better designs Ukraine is using, pic very related.
Gun trucks were a solid success and duplicated by some of the old folks during the hillbilly armor days in Iraq. In fact the Nam versions were generally better armed for ambush busting when fitted with miniguns, quad .50s etc which were not an option in Iraq. Armoring logistics vehicles should have been standard BEFORE they got lit up in Nam, but was stupidly forgotten until Iraq and only then sorted after years of losses. The US had some official gun trucks too. They work quite well.
Gun jeeps and trucks abounded in WWII too where their speed over sand was hard to match. https://truck-encyclopedia.com/ww2/us/M6_Gun_Motor_Carriage.php
Picrel = 8th Army 6 pounder which could kill any vehicle in that theater.
Not everything is a slugging match. Speed and mobility matter.
I unironically love technicals but it doesn't look good for a major military power to be resulting to them. The last time the US did was Vietnam guntrucks and we saw how that ended.
Seeing Russia is forced to use them I would prefer to see the much better designs Ukraine is using, pic very related.
Mortar carrying light trucks like your picrel are common even amongst nato militaries. Picrel is USA's Scorpion, the Spanish Alakran also looks almost the same (only notable difference being the truck that carries it), and most countries use variations of this.
Russia's rocket pod technical, tho? That's not a good system in any way.
>In many ways it's like the HIMARS just with slightly worse range and accuracy
I'm legit unsure if moronic or trolling.
As for what's wrong with it. Russia received a massively larger inheritance of Soviet armor and artillery than Ukraine did. The fact they're both having to resort to improvised Syria tier shit to make up for armor and artillery shortfalls means that Russia has been burning through their artillery and tank inheritance at an absurdly greater rate than Ukraine is.
ok this is downright pathetic, have they really run out of fricking grads?
how badly has the russian army been mauled in Ukraine? seriously, they take BTR-50s and T-55s out of storage, possibly because they are running out of T-72s and MT-LBs, and now they make this shit
It's also more gear than russia had before this war.
That's why they're desperately digging up world war II era tanks to turn into VBIEDs. Not to mention they have to beg North Korea for shells. Fricking North Korea.
its very likely we wont know the total figures until the end of the war, russia is secretive with this shit, but the huge lack of military hardware will be impossible to hide
Mobiks, reservists, and criminals.
Have you been living under a rock this last year?
By the Russians' own admission, they mobilized around 300,000, almost certainly less given fricking corrupt the Army is. That's sufficient to replace 1/3rd of their losses and many, if not the majority of those mobiks have already become casualties.
Even with the mobiks, that's still 62% of the Russian Armed Forces wiped out. That's already surpassed the casualty rate Nazi Germany suffered by the time of its collapse (11 million out of 18 million members of the Wehrmacht were killed or wounded by May 1945, or 61%)
900k is the very upper end of Ukranian claims and I don't believe those. Its only really a good indication of upper bounds of RU casualties. I'd bet casualties are maybe 60-75% of what UA claims. Also remember, UA does not distinguish between Donbabwe, Luganda and MoD forces. So Russia's pre war size was larger than just the MoD guys they went in with. Yes the meme republics have been merged in but I'm not sure how many of them still live or many men have cycled through.
The real figure is going to be lower than 62%
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ukrainian claims have been quite conservative. Perhaps due to modern cameras or the awareness westerners will be fact-checking them they've consistently underestimated real casualty counts for the Russians. Probably they only count visibly dead Russians on video recordings.
It's more not less, given how corrupt they are.
Mobilization is not popular domestically and kremlin is struggling to hide and downplay the extent of the war.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's more not less, given how corrupt they are.
Are you implying that mobilizations officers aren't just falsifying their recruitment numbers and then paying their superiors not to take notice that the buses are going to the front half-full?
Yeah. According to Prig, Russian leaks around 270-300 kia Russians and 700k-750- maimed, deserted or captured. It's a literal meat grinder for Russians. Ukrainians are going after unarmed conscripts rather than just land. they'll go behind a line and wipe 200 +300 unarmed conscripts then come back every day a couple of times.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'd believe that it's maybe 1/2-2/3 of that figure. People were saying 100-120K KIA earlier this year. Prig had a vested interest in making the war sound as if it was going even worse than it already was, since he wanted to position himself as an alternative to the MOD or even the big man himself.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well fighting this way is pretty logical from ukraine point, this is not war that can be won by pushing rusians back to their border, or by even bigger stretch that of conquering russia. They need to break them in their own land, by inflicting massive casualities, that cant be hidden to the wider population of russia, so it will force govermental change, if they just kick them out, they will lick their wounds for some time and try again in few years, like with chechnia. Sadly TZD is only real option for ukies.
300k was the first wave, I believe they had another wave of mobilization. It also doesn't consider stuff like PMCs(like Wagner), the two donbass republics, recruiting prisoners...
They likely still have a lot of people even if their losses are apocalyptic and unsustainable.
Russians even have yearly conscription/draft thing which isn't include in the 300k mobilization figure too.
Who the frick do they have manning the frontlines then? That would constitute over 78% of their pre-war strength (1.15 million).
There's a reason for all the untrained mobiks, criminals and pensioners on their ranks.
Mobiks, reservists, and criminals.
Have you been living under a rock this last year?
the funny part is, those dead soldier numbers don't account for the 500K + that are "MIA" (dead)
>shitty Reddit meme >made up statistics slop for normies
have a nice day
>made up statistics
all verified by Oryx, RMOD, and Ukraine + Euro intelligence. More reliable than just Russia's "everything fine we strong" bullshit >have a nice day
Maybe, I'd need the Russian suicide kit though, what was it, 2 grenades under the chin? You'd know all about that one, I'm sure lol
>all verified by Oryx, RMOD, and Ukraine + Euro intelligence. More reliable than just Russia's "everything fine we strong" bullshit >Russias KIA stats all verified by NATO
Weapons of mass destruction.
>everyone chuckles at libyan/syrian/afghan/persian/sumatran/fricking whatever technicals that usually amount to the token ZSU-23 or hind rocket pod bolted onto a pickup >it turns out that russians were taking notes instead of chuckling
Why are the middle five tubes longer than the faring anyway?
Also: Were those things ever good at their intended purpose? I've seen so many technicals and pitch-up attacks that I've almost forgotten what rocket pods were designed for.
>Were those things ever good at their intended purpose?
Better than welding one to a pickup truck, at least. If nothing else you have a huge range advantage and FCS that can theoretically let you hit something at those ranges.
Ukies have also used the same S-5 rockets on technicals, but with better launchers.
https://twitter.com/OSINTtechnical/status/1652504764301598723
I'm surprised there are enough of those rocket pods for this exact same technical to pop up for the last 40 years.
The UB-32 is probably the most common rocket pod in the world
So this is the power of the second army in the world...
i guess they really did learn alot from their time in syria
How come they lack the manufacturing capacity to make dedicated rocket pods for their technicals like Ukraine did?
dutch disease
Why make something new when you just need a tube? You already have a fricking rocket pod why make a new one?
The precursors left behind a near infinite stockpile of their most advanced technology. Even the most decadent westerners would be grateful to receive such a blessing from those who came before.
Existing pods work fine and were designed to pull G's in combat, fly in all weathers etc. You get the wiring harness etc and you can use switches and other components from your aircraft boneyard to produce as tidy a job as you wish. You could extract tubes etc but that's not necessary.
A T&E and some real world target practice (might as well expend rockets on opponents) and you're good to go. Rocket pods aren't very heavy being mostly aluminum except for their suspension lugs. Using an aircraft rack makes connection, maintenance etc REALLY easy. If want you could sling load full pods with a simple jib crane welded from pipe or tubing etc.
Someone should make ballistic tables for use with a simple hardware store inclinometer easily attached to the pod (or use a magnet on the inclinometer with a strip of steel screwed to the pod for quick swapout).
SOVL as frick, dumb NATOids are just jealous they can't be this cool.
There is "being cool" and there is winning the war. The invasion of Ukraine was a bad idea from a moral, political, strategic standpoint. The whole world, with the exception of a few countries, denounced the invasion. That has more influence on the outcome of this war than what type of IFV you field.
Ukrainians already have the superior western version of this. APKWS pod with a telescopic laser designator.
Does it count as a "technical" when it's a purpose-built weapon system instead of Black person-rigging whatever weapons you have into whatever vehicles you have?
Well, the purpose built weapon system is the stuff on the back. You could mount it on anything, including a regular civilian truck. US military calls these Non-Standard Tactical Vehicles.
AFAIK those are specifically designed to be mounted on pickups or humvees. Kinda on the gray area for improvised fighting vehicle / technical.
>accuse others of ISIS tactics
Why are Russians like this?
Narcissistic dictators (and their bootlickers) are so pathologically self-centered that even their criticisms of others are just self-reports.
How do you aim this stuff? Do you just point it in the enemy's general direction and pray?
depends on the v8vionics
why is valve driving around a massive log of shit
The summer sale hit them hard.
you know you have grown out of gaming when you have no idea when the last steam summer sale even was.
actually, the last couple ones
No one cares about sales because they’re all just 25% off on old shit
new games suck ass anyway
Its happening right now.
And honestly an overburdened games library is probably more responsible and much cheaper than an extended gun collection.
Why not both?
who gives a shit about steam sales since they killed flash sales
anon it does not take a 420 IQ genius to figure out when during the year a "summer sale" occurs
>you have no idea when the last steam summer sale even was.
Probably last summer you fricking moron
How much longer before we start seeing Hell Cannons or straight up Barrack Busters?
those make too much sense so they'll never make them
Dubs confirm, it won't be long.
I've always had a soft spot for hell cannons.
Using truck spindles like that was fricking brilliant. That's an exceptionally nice one.
What's wrong with this? It's agile, very mobile and has a great volume of fire. In many ways it's like the HIMARS just with slightly worse range and accuracy
are you being sarcastic? i can't tell
If someone makes the effort to produce ballistic tables there IS nothing wrong with the idea.
Gun trucks were a solid success and duplicated by some of the old folks during the hillbilly armor days in Iraq. In fact the Nam versions were generally better armed for ambush busting when fitted with miniguns, quad .50s etc which were not an option in Iraq. Armoring logistics vehicles should have been standard BEFORE they got lit up in Nam, but was stupidly forgotten until Iraq and only then sorted after years of losses. The US had some official gun trucks too. They work quite well.
Gun jeeps and trucks abounded in WWII too where their speed over sand was hard to match. https://truck-encyclopedia.com/ww2/us/M6_Gun_Motor_Carriage.php
Picrel = 8th Army 6 pounder which could kill any vehicle in that theater.
Not everything is a slugging match. Speed and mobility matter.
I unironically love technicals but it doesn't look good for a major military power to be resulting to them. The last time the US did was Vietnam guntrucks and we saw how that ended.
Seeing Russia is forced to use them I would prefer to see the much better designs Ukraine is using, pic very related.
U.S had gun trucks in Afghanistan as well.
The ANA had gun trucks*
Mortar carrying light trucks like your picrel are common even amongst nato militaries. Picrel is USA's Scorpion, the Spanish Alakran also looks almost the same (only notable difference being the truck that carries it), and most countries use variations of this.
Russia's rocket pod technical, tho? That's not a good system in any way.
>In many ways it's like the HIMARS just with slightly worse range and accuracy
I'm legit unsure if moronic or trolling.
As for what's wrong with it. Russia received a massively larger inheritance of Soviet armor and artillery than Ukraine did. The fact they're both having to resort to improvised Syria tier shit to make up for armor and artillery shortfalls means that Russia has been burning through their artillery and tank inheritance at an absurdly greater rate than Ukraine is.
Squad bros...
At this rate they'll add third Russia faction and all it's gear and vehicles will be like those of Insurgents.
ok this is downright pathetic, have they really run out of fricking grads?
how badly has the russian army been mauled in Ukraine? seriously, they take BTR-50s and T-55s out of storage, possibly because they are running out of T-72s and MT-LBs, and now they make this shit
>how badly has the russian army been mauled in Ukraine?
~200k kia
~700k wia
~8000 vehicles
~4000 tanks
~4000 artillery
~300 aircraft
~300 helis
Christ
Thats more gear than most countries have total
It's also more gear than russia had before this war.
That's why they're desperately digging up world war II era tanks to turn into VBIEDs. Not to mention they have to beg North Korea for shells. Fricking North Korea.
>shitty Reddit meme
>made up statistics slop for normies
have a nice day
Namaste.
its very likely we wont know the total figures until the end of the war, russia is secretive with this shit, but the huge lack of military hardware will be impossible to hide
>200k kia
>700k wia
Who the frick do they have manning the frontlines then? That would constitute over 78% of their pre-war strength (1.15 million).
There's a reason for all the untrained mobiks, criminals and pensioners on their ranks.
By the Russians' own admission, they mobilized around 300,000, almost certainly less given fricking corrupt the Army is. That's sufficient to replace 1/3rd of their losses and many, if not the majority of those mobiks have already become casualties.
Even with the mobiks, that's still 62% of the Russian Armed Forces wiped out. That's already surpassed the casualty rate Nazi Germany suffered by the time of its collapse (11 million out of 18 million members of the Wehrmacht were killed or wounded by May 1945, or 61%)
900k is the very upper end of Ukranian claims and I don't believe those. Its only really a good indication of upper bounds of RU casualties. I'd bet casualties are maybe 60-75% of what UA claims. Also remember, UA does not distinguish between Donbabwe, Luganda and MoD forces. So Russia's pre war size was larger than just the MoD guys they went in with. Yes the meme republics have been merged in but I'm not sure how many of them still live or many men have cycled through.
The real figure is going to be lower than 62%
Ukrainian claims have been quite conservative. Perhaps due to modern cameras or the awareness westerners will be fact-checking them they've consistently underestimated real casualty counts for the Russians. Probably they only count visibly dead Russians on video recordings.
It's more not less, given how corrupt they are.
Mobilization is not popular domestically and kremlin is struggling to hide and downplay the extent of the war.
>It's more not less, given how corrupt they are.
Are you implying that mobilizations officers aren't just falsifying their recruitment numbers and then paying their superiors not to take notice that the buses are going to the front half-full?
Yeah. According to Prig, Russian leaks around 270-300 kia Russians and 700k-750- maimed, deserted or captured. It's a literal meat grinder for Russians. Ukrainians are going after unarmed conscripts rather than just land. they'll go behind a line and wipe 200 +300 unarmed conscripts then come back every day a couple of times.
I'd believe that it's maybe 1/2-2/3 of that figure. People were saying 100-120K KIA earlier this year. Prig had a vested interest in making the war sound as if it was going even worse than it already was, since he wanted to position himself as an alternative to the MOD or even the big man himself.
Well fighting this way is pretty logical from ukraine point, this is not war that can be won by pushing rusians back to their border, or by even bigger stretch that of conquering russia. They need to break them in their own land, by inflicting massive casualities, that cant be hidden to the wider population of russia, so it will force govermental change, if they just kick them out, they will lick their wounds for some time and try again in few years, like with chechnia. Sadly TZD is only real option for ukies.
300k was the first wave, I believe they had another wave of mobilization. It also doesn't consider stuff like PMCs(like Wagner), the two donbass republics, recruiting prisoners...
They likely still have a lot of people even if their losses are apocalyptic and unsustainable.
Russians even have yearly conscription/draft thing which isn't include in the 300k mobilization figure too.
Mobiks, reservists, and criminals.
Have you been living under a rock this last year?
Anon... How the frick do you think that huge Wagner convoy got so far unopposed?
the funny part is, those dead soldier numbers don't account for the 500K + that are "MIA" (dead)
>made up statistics
all verified by Oryx, RMOD, and Ukraine + Euro intelligence. More reliable than just Russia's "everything fine we strong" bullshit
>have a nice day
Maybe, I'd need the Russian suicide kit though, what was it, 2 grenades under the chin? You'd know all about that one, I'm sure lol
>all verified by Oryx, RMOD, and Ukraine + Euro intelligence. More reliable than just Russia's "everything fine we strong" bullshit
>Russias KIA stats all verified by NATO
Weapons of mass destruction.
you vill drive the pod
and you vill be happy
When this war started I thought Ukrainians were the ones who were going to be doing this
Squadbros
Smekalka in action. They're probably actually proud of this.
why shouldn't they be? can you make a technical?
is russia the epitome of you get what you get and dont throw a fit
>everyone chuckles at libyan/syrian/afghan/persian/sumatran/fricking whatever technicals that usually amount to the token ZSU-23 or hind rocket pod bolted onto a pickup
>it turns out that russians were taking notes instead of chuckling
why are you homosexuals treating this as if it's some sort of heresy? if it works it works, who the frick cares
right? I want helicopter rocketpod truck at home!
2nd army in the world
I'm very sorry for discussing weapons on the weapons board anon, I'll go back to complaining about Russians now.
its whatever I think YouTube makes us watch the same videos
You're not the real mandick, that's an actual ATGM
This is the only pro-rus meme that's ever made me laugh. Why the frick can't they meme? Why do they suck so much at literally everything?
Don't wanna be a reddit homosexual, but I was thinking the same thing. Even their waifus are shit
pic of a superior ukie techie
they should have turned it the other way around for the speed boost
Why are the middle five tubes longer than the faring anyway?
Also: Were those things ever good at their intended purpose? I've seen so many technicals and pitch-up attacks that I've almost forgotten what rocket pods were designed for.
>Were those things ever good at their intended purpose?
Better than welding one to a pickup truck, at least. If nothing else you have a huge range advantage and FCS that can theoretically let you hit something at those ranges.
Ukies have also used the same S-5 rockets on technicals, but with better launchers.
https://twitter.com/OSINTtechnical/status/1652504764301598723