Should I start submitting Form 1 applications since the ATF is going to frick everyone’s shit up in August? I have 4 AR’s with SBA3 braces. Not looking forward to paying $800 in tax or becoming a felon
Pistol Braces
Should I start submitting Form 1 applications since the ATF is going to frick everyone’s shit up in August? I have 4 AR’s with SBA3 braces. Not looking forward to paying $800 in tax or becoming a felon
If you actually wanna comply you need to remove your iron sights, replace your buffer tubes with plain featureless ones and remove any lights or angled fore grips. What you are left with is essentially a bare bones ar pistol with a red dot which is what they were pre brace introduction which is what the atf wanted all along. It's gay and it's stupid but at least you still have something semi usable
That is extremely homosexual
So would this be ok according to the ATF?
looks suspiciously like it could touch your shoulder in any possible way at sometime where the context matters enough for an agent to fulfil his monthly quota of goyim charged
I put time in trying to understand the work sheet myself and my understanding was yes. Even having an optic adds points though so I'm being generous. Everyone should look at the atf brace worksheet themselves. It really wants you to make a mistake
Kys spineless homosexual
>replace buffer tube
>every pistol lower had a homosexual staked castle nut
RIP dog
you know you can unstake it and remove the castle nut right?
Unstaking a properly staked castle nut is more hassle than the ATF killing my dog.
He's getting old anyways.
>allow red dots
>don't allow iron sights
what the frick is the atf thinking?
IIRC it says "rifle style sights"
Maybe this will drive people to make AR U notch sights, which are superior on a rifle anyways.
Did they finally come out with the new regs?
The worksheet has been out for months, but in August is when they plan to "enforce" it. And by enforce they mean for gun ranges to enforce it otherwise they'll get harassed.
Shoot innawoods? Law doesn't matter.
Shoot at a range? Expect some boomer to tell you to show tax stamp or get kicked out.
Or if you get pulled over and they find it in your car. Or someone rats you out
I'm worried about the whole someone rats you situation as with the new red flags laws and boyfriend loophole laws that just passed, it's much easier for someone who doesn't like you to mess up your life especially if they find a brace on your gun that they now consider an sbr. Sucks if you have any ex's or less than friendly neighbors that want to screw you over
Unless your state already has red flag laws you are pretty safe. The new law gives incentives to states who want to enact them. It doesn't actually instate any kind of red flag law on the states itself.
There are plenty of 2A sanctuary states/counties/cities that won't enforce anything. Being denied at a range is really the most likely thing.
I'm too much of a pussy to move to Arizona 🙁
Will my local (TX) sheriff or state troopers care if they see a braced pistol? I guess it's not really worth the risk but complying is gay.
They want you and your family dead.
IIRC TX state police do not enforce federal gun laws (TX legislature passed the suppressor bill after all)
As for you sheriff you need to find out if you county is a 2A sanctuary or not. I'm in Collin County which is a sanctuary.
>Collin County
Howdy neighbor, Tarrant here. Thanks for the reply
You're fricked
No. Frick no. Not unless your local sheriff has it as a priority to go after these themselves. Otherwise it's leg work and a ton of paperwork doing the feds job for free.
Based TX. I will just not comply then. The ATF is never going to pull me over.
Police have been made ATF agents.
That worksheet was trashed when we all commented on it telling them to piss off.
They'll be making new rules though likely.
Who cares? Lift more and learn with a 16 inch getting a 11.5 wont fix the fact you have noodle arms
I lift your mom up and down my wiener every night don't worry boomer. I like my 10.3 because I use it for my own purposes and because I'm not a seething poorgay like you, the 16inch is sitting right in the closet where it'll be for 10 more years before it's ever practically used. Meanwhile the 10.3 sits in a bag ready to go wherever I want.
Put a suppessor on your 20 inch and stop being fat
Armwrestle me irl noshoot nerd
You frick old ladies?
Love MILFs
Who said anything about paying for anything? You sound like a projecting cuckold.
>willing to pay cuck tax for silencer but not for a stock
Your shit is falling apart
>Take the vax—I mean pay the tax—chud!
You can just not bring the suppressor when you want to travel
You are an embarrassment to society
How can you embarrass a society which has no shame?
Totally bro, people who can afford suppressors have weak arms, or something
It's not about weight for me it's length.
Add a 6 to 8 inch suppressor.
Now your 16" barrel is a musket.
Now your 10.3" mk18 is the length of an M4.
>Be OP
> pay an unjust tax
> I'm COOOOOOOOMPLYING!
> The ghost of General Washington appears
> Fires red white and blue lasers from his eyes and wiener
> a pile of shameful ash is all that remains
> The spirits of John Hanwiener and Samuel Adams materialize to piss on the ashes
The Boston Piss Party is born
> have had my 14.5 p&w for almost 7 years
>told friends and dumb zoomers forever that the potential of future atf frickery and felonies was not worth paying money for something ballistically inferior.
>get proven right
>NOOOOO BRO MUH CLONE GUN THE SPEC OPS USE 10.5 BRO BROOO BRROOOOOOOOOOOOO ITA LITERALLY FINE
>continue to skirt the law just so they can have a loud 22 magnum
I hope all you dumbasses end up in federal buttfrick jail
>actually pinning and welding your 14.5
damn bro wow you really pwned those lawbreakers I hope your local swat team wakes you up one night to give you the US Marine Hero Award
everyone who holds this gay "I got mine" mentality will have their scrotum munched on by disease ridden rats in the deepest pit in hell ahimidullah
dude guess what, you're a homosexual.
A reminder that the ATF should be a store in the US. Not a glowie agency.
The ATF is police and enforcement are of the IRS. Oi yuh pay yo taxes on de guns now dint yeh? Ya avn't? Oi mates this here scoundrel asnt paid he's taxes.
homosexual coward bootlickers all of you
Youre gonna blow your life away for a shitty pcc with a rubbery stock
I have no synpathy for you
you will never stand up for yourself and get walked on in every part of life you degenerate coward
You only rant on the internet. Invisible disobedience is often useful but it defends no principle, just (maybe) your own ass.
I do alot of things including but not limited to your mothers holes
Free men don't ask permission
You aren't free and you never have been. The sooner you realize that, the better.
>t. Glowie
You're as free as you are willing to fight to be
Just get a stock
If it goes into effect, make sure in its shortest configuration it's OAL is 26"+ and it's exempt.
>10.5" ARs are fine
Not that bad, then. Feel sorry for the .300 BLK boys or anyone that has picked up how good .350L is in a 7".
fwiw my last efile form 1 sbr took 2 weeks to process, so they clear quickly now
Where do you buy the fingerprint cards? You have to physically mail those right? And submit a mug of yourself?
you can order them from the atf website. i forget the max amount you can get, but i think its in the single digits. takes about 2 weeks to get to your door
https://www.atf.gov/distribution-center-order-form
i have a bunch of fingerprint cards from silencershop and efile requires you upload a pic but it doesnt have to be printed on the paper submission.
took about a week for my fingerprints to get delivered then another week to get my online tax stamp.
folga wooga imoga womp.
Now it’s august? You people just keep pushing the goal post. It was “next month” over a year ago and kept getting pushed back. For the past 3 months it’s been “end of June”. Now it’s august? How about you stop living in a constant state of fear and just follow the law until they actually change it.
Don't forget to also make fun of them when they frick up or show how inept they are
20” Chads where you at?
I somewhat doubt they'll do anything that might piss off the supreme court.
>Not going to be part of the Boston Brace Party where we all throw our braces in Boston harbor and SBR our guns without paying
New owner of a 14.5” here, and I (definitely) pinned the comp bringing it to 16”. Does the new ATF bullshit apply to me? Angled foregrip, mounted light, flip up sights, red dot…. That’s pretty much my entire gun lol
I'm pretty sure it an AR pistol with a 14.5" barrel has enough OAL to be exempt from the ATFs homosexualry.
So this new ATF shit only applies to SBRs? A pinned 14.5 bringing it to 16”+ would not apply?
no it doesn't apply to rifles with a legal 16" barrel length.
Yes your muzzle device counts as legal barrel length if it's pinned and welded.
Thank you anon
Pinning a muzzle device to a barrel by atf definition makes it part of the barrels legally applicable length. Your 14.5 with 1.5-2" muzzle device is still a rifle the atf has held no desire to change this
Thanks boys appreciate the clarity. New owner here this shit is confusing as frick to sift through
Im gonna pin and weld my suppressor to my mk18.
A 14.5 with a properly pinned and welded muzzle device bringing it to 16+" is considered a rifle, and you can have a normal stock or whatever.
Also a 14.5 AR could have a pistol brace, with any attachments you want(aside from VFG), as it would have an OAL of more than 26"
This is the part where they are going to frick us. I'll bet the life of my dog that these definitions will change to suit the ATFs whim.
Yes see, if the OAL is over 26" you're G2G.
What is that, a 12.5" or so will hit that length.
For any anon’s reference my 12.5 with a fully collapsed SBA3 and no muzzle device is 26.5”
>atf tries to back door ban AR pistols with braces
>people just have to P&W the muzzle device on anything 10" or longer
lmao
As it's written, the muzzle device doesn't seem to have to be permanently affixed to count for the 26" OAL
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So if I am following you correctly as long as your collapsed OAL is greater than 26" then you can skip this sheet AND use a brace?
Yes
Or at least it should be, the gayTF has been intentionally vague.
But as written, it should be.
No, it's the opposite. The ATF thinks that if your gun is over 26" OAL, it's too long to use one-handed with a brace, therefore you intend to use it with two hands, making the weapon an unregistered SBR, and that if it's under 12" OAL then it's short enough to use with one hand without a brace, meaning you only have the brace because you want to make an unregistered SBR. Same with the weight, it has to be heavy enough that you "need" a brace, but not so heavy that the ATF thinks you plan on using it with two hands.
>making the weapon an unregistered SBR
Can you provide a source which substantiates that reading? What anons are referring to is a new point system, which is the means by which the ATF plans on banning braces, and which only applies to guns below 26" OAL
Literally read the page they're only posting partial screenshots of. It's very explicit.
Please tell me where it states a failure of a prerequisite is a fail. It says nowhere on the sheet that a weapon is a "failure" if it does not pass section 1. I think they may be playing themselves with their own wording here. Don't move on to section 2? NOT SBR
It's not "this doesn't apply to weapons over 26 inches," it's "weapons over 26" with a brace automatically fail."
I see, I just opened the worksheet, you're right
but I"m not a brace cuck anon
Ok but why won't SCOTUS just repeal the NFA
all this gymnastics you people have to do to keep your rights is really sad
a lawsuit needs to be brought specifically challenging it under the second amendment, which hasn't happened since miller.
I feel like there must have been many attempts that just don't make it all the way to SCOTUS
I am going to SBR a couple sacrificial lowers, sucks but better than running afoul. I'm just terrified they'll deny me for some unforeseen/capricious reason.
If you're really building for SHTF forget guns and study IED construction. You need zero illegal items in advance to build them nor special tools nor some homosexual fantasy book collection.
The winners in long constabulary operations like A-stan esplode their problems. Knowing how is identical to knowing how to detect and disarm IEDs (an even more potentially useful skill).
Pistol braces are a gimmicky meme
Everyone should SBR at least one lower right now. Imagine worst case scenario of AWB or gun buy backs and confiscations. The ATF already did a full fbi bg check on you and have your fingerprints and pictured then specifically deemed you worthy of owning such a weapon. People with NFA items will be last on the chopping block.
>the only people the ATF known have "assault weapons" will definitely be the last to lose their rights, and the ATF will only go out and confiscate guns from people they don't know have guns
Big brain
the atf is doing 'audits' on LGS's and making copies of all their transfer papers. if you think there isnt an unofficial national gun registry youre moronic.
don't they shred the papers after a certain amount of time for this very reason?
that certain amount of time is 20 years lol.
20yrs and the ATF is notorious for trying to get all the records they can. Also if the business closes inside of 20yrs ATF usually ends up with the whole stash as otherwise the owner has to maintain it for the remainder. They then convert it to micro film and store it internally waiting for the day a national electronically searchable gun registry is legalized at which point they will digitize it. No im not kidding, thats the standard operating procedure.
Unironical boating accident.
>People with NFA items will be last on the chopping block
Yeah bros better wait ‘til we’re up on the chopping block and keep our heads down in the meanwhile rather than harnessing the momentum and virility we have, which will be diminished with every infringement able to stand. See eg Can, Aus, UK, literally castration grade test levels.
I don't want the NFA overturned.
My collection is worth almost $12 million and it only cost about 7 grand back in '81-'83 (a lot more in those days, but still)
Every election I vote D down ticket hoping they do ban "assault weapons" since that just appreciates the value of my transferables. I don't really even have to work ever again.
So I hope they go through with this. Sucks to suck, not my problem.
Subarashi baito-sama
I hope you have a heart attack you boomer prick
frick ya mudda
Found the israelite.
boomers talk big like this but the sandcastles they built 50 years ago weren't even structurally sound and they've definitely eroded by now
there was a period of time when a boomer with a transferable full auto ar-15 lower was a cool guy who could impress people but now they're sitting in a gun shop with a six figure price tag on it while selling binary triggers to millenials and because the price tag of their 'investments' is going up they don't see a relationship between selling ersatz full auto guns and their investments losing value
if you reduce demand the price of things goes up, it's basic economics
Transferable FA guns are for dumb goys.
i mean the whole story of the baby boomers is a bunch of people who have doubled down on being dumb goys so hard that they managed to convince their children to do the same thing even though all of the benefits they reaped by being dumb Black person cattle dried up before vietnam
yesterday at a gun show i was trying to buy a box of weird ammo and had to rudely interrupt a guy with a vietnam hat who was taking up the salesmans time. he wasn't even buying anything he was puffing up his own gun shop and how much profit he makes from buying ammo from other gun shops and selling them to people in his hometown for 170% markup. It was like that flying lotus copypasta except im the one trying to buy something and there's some moron trying to draw attention to how successful he is by... doing the exact same thing i'm doing right next to him.
I don’t believe that guy is really who he says he is. Shelling out 7k in the early 80s means hes 70 at the absolute youngest, and he types too much like a non-boomer. Most likely bait.
Then you die.
Your collection goes either goes to probate court, it's seized because of the ATF and other government agencies need to check the "legitimacy" of it before it is transferred, or your worthless progeny sells it off for single digit percentiles of what they were bought for.
Assets mean nothing if you cannot assuredly liquidate them. Something boomers rarely grasp until the numbing touch of death is upon them.
How can the ATF just make a ruling? I'm building my very first pistol. Do I really have to care about this crap?
They can't. All these morons have forgotten that the 9th circuit just solidified the fact that agencies cannot make rulings and must stick to the Congress agreed definitions but of course /k/ has the memory of a goldfish. Not to mention they've thrown this garbage letter out already and this whole thread was bait for (you)'s
I'm not gonna comply with that gay shit. #1 the SEC ruling the other day showed that administrative Law is unconstitutional and the SC ruling will make any test cases challenging this force the ATF to find text and tradition to uphold this shit. It's another game of chicken like the vax mandate. I do not consent to enforcement uf unconstitutional laws and I will ignore them with impunity.
I swear to God if this becomes a law I'm going to take my only pistol lower and rack up the highest score I can. Because frick 'em, that's why.
Just take the brace off you fricking homosexuals, take the brace off and put a fricking buffer tube cover on
According to the work sheet you can still have an "illegal SBR" even if you have a smooth pistol buffer tube and no brace on the gun
*Stock
its illegal for the ATF to enforce its gun control in my state so im just going to put an ACR stock on my pistol once i don't have plastible deniability for it being a brace instead of a stock
The main thing is that people need to reconsider the kind of information they post online. If you have something that might be questionable, keep that shit to yourself. Don't post it here or anywhere else. Don't fricking talk about it.
I don't know how many morons I've seen on YouTube talking about braces making these unfunny little jokes about being clumsy and "accidentally" shouldering their brace, then literally showing themselves shooting without any hint of effort to use the brace as anything but a stock. It makes the firearms community look like immature douchebags and it undermines people who work very hard to show the fact that most gun owners are decent, law-abiding people.
Do whatever the frick you want, but if you don't want agents kicking down your door, learn to keep your mouth shut.
>t. spirit absolutely crushed by a divorce, unable to see that it happened because spirit was weak to begin with
What you're seeing is a bunch of reasonable people saying the buck stops here and adopting mass noncompliance. That's what won the war on drugs. Doing everything a government tells you to has never been the route towards getting your rights back.
or the Prohibition era for that matter lol
I agree 100%. I just don't want to see good people get in trouble because of carelessness.
>ATF is going to frick everyone’s shit up in August?
source? i have a boat trip coming up
the pistol brace score chart is never going to happen
why do anybody follow these dumbass laws? you can literally own any sbr, giggle switch, magazine you want if you arent stupid