People talk about how the US fucked NATO over with the 7.62x51mm cartridge, but nobody ever talks about the utter mediocrity that is the Belgian SS109...

People talk about how the US fricked NATO over with the 7.62x51mm cartridge, but nobody ever talks about the utter mediocrity that is the Belgian SS109 (M855) load of 5.56x45mm, and the compatibility issues it introduced to NATO countries which were already standardized on 5.56mm rifles designed for the perfectly good M193 load.

Frick M855.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >SS109 effective range: 900 meters (more than 7.62 real fricking NATO M80)
    >M193 effective range: 450 meters
    Any questions?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      effective against what?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        People, if it hits one. But it has to be fired out of a long barrel weapon and the projectile is so light any wind will blow it well off course.
        We are taught that its effective out to those longer ranges at section level, aka everyone is shooting at the same target so hit probability goes up. But that's still only out to 600m

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >only out to 600m
          Are you volunteering to take a hit to demonstrate the ineffectiveness at 601?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Did you read the fricking post?
            It will kill you at those ranges, it just gets so much harder to hit what you're aiming at so its not classed as effective.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Against an unspecified imitator of a steel helmet nobody uses that army picked.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Prairie dogs probably.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      You wouldn't usually engage targets directly at those ranges with most 5.56mm weapons, and with 7.62mm you're either suppressing with a support weapon, or you're engaging as a designated marksman, in which case you might use something like Mk.316 Mod 1 instead. If you were looking to engage more than a few targets at that kind of distance with 5.56mm, you'd want Mk.262 Mod 1 instead of greentip.

      Both kill just fine. Buy which ever is cheaper.

      Sure, but going from M193 to M855 was in the very best of circumstances a sidegrade.

      >utter mediocrity
      >goes bang
      >good for blasting ammo
      What's the problem? Is it personal?

      I mean as a military standard, not civilian life uses. If you're just plinking you can shoot some shitass ammo and mayve even get some practice clearing malfunctions, if it's something really bad. Don't go TOO cheap though, it gets dangerous.

      >the compatibility issues it introduced to NATO countries
      Even if SS109 was never adopted, they would have to update for NATO magazines
      >utter mediocrity
      Paved the way for Mk 262, meh
      >perfectly good M193 load
      Still in use, never went away

      >they would have to update for NATO magazines
      That wasn't enforced as a standard, hence why the FAMAS, G36, AUG, and others got to stick with their own patterns of mags, for better or worse. Updating the rifles is fine, but it should have been for a good load instead.

      >Mk.262
      Which is gr8 I r8 8/8, but it's not what every grunt gets issued.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Shame, but M855 isn't that bad so long as it's manufactured correctly

        https://i.imgur.com/GlkcIqm.png

        >mfw my main home defense rifle is an AUG
        >1/9 twist
        >only use 55gr M193
        I'm here for basketball size exit holes my dudes.

        Meant to specify it's a 20in barrel. M193 loves a full 20in barrel.

        M193 was built for the 1:12" twist

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Doesn't make a shit, 1:9 stabilizes it perfectly well. Nobody uses or even makes anything in 1:12 at all anymore. You'd have to go back like 50 years to see a 1:12 twist rifle.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Brownells sold BRN-16 uppers with 1:12" twists

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Only because they're making replicas of ancient shit.
              >Verification not required.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            PSA literally sells 1/12 m16s

            https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-harrington-richardson-retro-604-air-force-complete-upper-receiver.html

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >effective range: 900 meters
      >a wild skinny appears
      >no effective range at all

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        M855 is an underperformer, but that shit is a myth. Also one of the people involved in that incident is a convicted child molester, doesn't have anything to really do with M855, just mentioning it.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both kill just fine. Buy which ever is cheaper.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >utter mediocrity
    >goes bang
    >good for blasting ammo
    What's the problem? Is it personal?

  4. 11 months ago
    SEGA®

    >the compatibility issues it introduced to NATO countries
    Even if SS109 was never adopted, they would have to update for NATO magazines
    >utter mediocrity
    Paved the way for Mk 262, meh
    >perfectly good M193 load
    Still in use, never went away

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    M855A1, Mk262, Mk318.
    >According to US DoD sources, the Mk 262 round is capable of making kills at 700 meters. Ballistics tests found that the round caused "consistent initial yaw in soft tissue" between 3 and 4 in at ranges from 15 feet to 300 meters. Apparently it is superior to the standard M855 round when fired from an M4 or M16 rifle, increasing accuracy from 3–5 minutes of angle to 2 minute of angle. It possesses superior stopping power, and can allow for engagements to be extended to up to 700 meters when fired from an 18-inch barrel. It appears that this round can drastically improve the performance of any AR-15 weapon chambered to .223/5.56 mm. Superior accuracy, wounding capacity, stopping power and range have made this the preferred round of many special forces operators, and highly desirable as a replacement for the older, Belgian-designed 5.56×45mm SS109/M855 NATO round. In one engagement, a two-man special forces team reported 75 kills with 77 rounds.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, Mk.262 is sick stuff. We should just develop a version of that as the standard 5.56mm load instead of the NGSW homosexualry. It would be cheaper, faster, and actually produce a useful and tangible result.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Except it’s loaded so fricking hot it’s blowing out gas rings and barrels

      t. Army armorer

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You mean M855A1?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I remember reading somewhere that mk318 was originally supposed to be 70+ grain weight, but it was changed to 62gr for bdc compatibility in acogs.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >In one engagement, a two-man special forces team reported 75 kills with 77 rounds.
      Fricking aimbotters.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw my main home defense rifle is an AUG
    >1/9 twist
    >only use 55gr M193
    I'm here for basketball size exit holes my dudes.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Meant to specify it's a 20in barrel. M193 loves a full 20in barrel.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unfathomably fricking based, make shit look like a Paul Verhoeven movie.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Holy cringe. Come back when you are 18.
        Actual adults use a suppressed 7.5"-10" 300 blackout

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not a zoomer who grew up on Colladoody, I'm perfectly good with exploding home invader eardrums and making meteor impact craters in their heads and chests.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm perfectly good with exploding my own eardrums and making meteor impact craters in my sleeping dog in the other room.

            >not going with a 5.56 SBR with a linear comp, binary trigger, and 10.5" barrel


            >not engaging home invaders with a welding mask and electronic earpro
            >5.56 SBR
            Better of with a 10/22 at that point

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >5.56mm means shooting randomly like a moron
              >electronic earpro, 5.56mm suppressors, or linear comps, do NOT exist

              Even out of a 10.5" barrel, even with M855, 5.56mm will shit all over 5.7mm at HD distances (and beyond). I'm comfortable with not having icepick wounds.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >not going with a 5.56 SBR with a linear comp, binary trigger, and 10.5" barrel
          >not engaging home invaders with a welding mask and electronic earpro

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The US can frick over whoever it wants... without them NATO would be toothless

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you could read, you'd see that I'm actually complaining about the fricking Belgians.

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