I just bought this impulsively. What am I in for? Does it have any realistic merit in a defensive situation or just a plinking toy?
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I just bought this impulsively. What am I in for? Does it have any realistic merit in a defensive situation or just a plinking toy?
>I just bought this impulsively
But you posted a stock photo. Frick off
Cuck state, I’ll post it in 10 days
it's a fun plinker that will also drop chicken washers just fine without blinding you and making your ears bleed in the process
It doesn't drop them as well as something that makes your ears bleed, that's just physics. Better than nothing, though.
I rather be able to continue fighting after the first shot
And your ear splitter won't drop them as well as 12 gauge sabot slugs
Grow up
Mach 2-3 rifle terminal ballistics mog musket terminal ballistics, simple as. Shotguns have few advantages and terminal ballistics is not at all one of them unless you're comparing it to handguns.
5.56 with the right load at the right range will physically remove a chunk of flesh and throw that shit on the ground
Cole harder you PSA Black person
>5.56 with the right load at the right range will physically remove a chunk of flesh
anon theres really nothing that crazy about a bullet tearing off a bit of muscle thats really only attached to the body at two points. i know we all love to victory screech over this guy getting blasted but lets get real.
>posts stock photo
Doubt. But it's a simple plinking toy, not much more. Suppose with a red dot it'd be fine for shooting critters trying to break into a chicken coup
is that a .22 lr ?
its fun to kill small game or practice general shooting cheap. i dont know that specific model but it looks similar to my old ruger.
sometimes it will fail to feed but its not designed to be a combat weapon so watever, idk if its shitty magazines ammo or poor maintainance
It’s a 9mm
It takes Glock mags but I don’t have a Glock so I guess I’ll have to get one
I just bought a PC Charger and am waiting on a Tandemkross rotary safety switch for it. Should you find that you hate the cross bolt safety, you may want to consider it.
There is a secret feature of the PC Carbine that nobody considers but the ejection port is further forward. This is much nicer for a left handed shooter with their face on that side. As a lefty, I can't own a kel-tec sub-2000, for example, because the ejection port is too close and I just get hot powder in the face and eyes every time I pull the trigger. So it's nice for lefties, except for the cross bolt safety. Those are fine for right handed shooters because you just push the safety off. However, the controls are opposite for me. I'm getting the Tandemkross safety.
Another thing to consider is that the barrel nut is adjustable. The take down system of these rugers has some play in it that affect accuracy and zero. You may want to just use the irons since they're on the barrel or you can get a Tandemkross micro red dot mount to replace the rear sight. I wouldn't personally mess with that. Instead, take a minute and play around with the barrel adjustment nut. You can set it to get a tight lock up when you reassemble the gun.
Here's another tip, use the Glock mag adapter and pmags. They're cheap and come in various capacities. One of them fits perfectly in the stock. I recommend putting a strap under the spare magazine in the stock to make it easier to pull out. Otherwise, if you got maximum length one that fits, you'll be trying to squeeze a finger in there to pry it out.
If you're right handed, you may or may not want to move the charging handle too. I wouldn't. You could also mount a light, I wouldn't. I would just mount a Holosun he403r on the receiver, adjust the barrel nut properly, use a pull tab under the spare mag and enjoy shooting it.
HE403R on the PC Charger and LC Charger
Just got the Tandemkross safety in the mail and put it on. I'm on the fence about the k2 grip, feels good but looks weird.
As for the Tandemkross safety, I'm left handed and it seems like an absolute must for lefties. It's probably better for righties too but not as big a deal.
Generally, I dislike Tandemkross as a whole because they make a lot of tapco quality stuff and do the garish anodized red thing. It seems like low rate bubba to the core but then they come out with this life saver of a safety and and I love the mag extensions on the lc charger here . So, I mean, I guess whatever
Fug, a charger Ruger PCC would be neat. I think that's the nicest looking Ruger PCC I've seen honestly and I even kinda like the grip even though I'm not normally crazy about Magpul grips. That safety looks rarted though. Also WTF they're all TD?
Yeah, all take down.
Safety is great.
when using magpul glock mags, i find the followers likes to stick and slow down when shooting suppressed. Those mags HATE getting dirty and I wouldn't trust them for more than being range toys.
Do yourself a favor and get the Tandemkross chassis for it. It adds a mag release to the right side and you can put an adjustable stock on it. I went ahead and grabbed the MI handguard and a Franklin Armory binary for mine as well.
The mag release is already reversible and you're giving up the cool features of the magpul stock. I just can't disagree with your assessment enough.
Mine didn't come with the Magpul stock. It also doesn't reverse the mag release, it adds another. So I'm actually not giving up anything.
Fair enough, the factory non-magpul stock sucks. The magpul one is pretty great though and the way it links to together when broken down is really nice.
Looks like total doodoo unfortunately, like 2009 tacticool
Once again, California stock so no vertical for grip or adjustable stock. Plus, I like the magpul which is why I got it.
That being said, I did order Tandemkross steel parts recoil spring and trigger. Extra hundred and change but worth it for something more reliable and easier to shoot.
Did you order the Tandemkross bolt buffer plate replacement and a metal recoil spring retainer? The stock ones are plastic. They were the first thing I replaced on mine.
Yes, The buffer plate, spring retainer, 20%+ recoil spring, pins, etc. I was hesitant about getting the trigger also but decided to be a Cumbrian about it since my other gun will remain unmodified
Why do you bother buying guns in California? Better yet, why are you still living in California?
If you're Canadian, some nerd makes magwell inserts for this so it can take Sig, CZ, and I think Beretta mags. He only ships within Canada. Company is called Fraurem or something. I really wanna get my hands on a CZ one but I don't know any fricking Canadians.
I've honestly been wondering why Ruger or Tandemkross doesn't sell sleeves for all the common the pistols. They want to ship with Ruger mags and they pretty much had to ship with the Glock adapter or nobody would buy the thing but I'm sure there's enough of a market to warrant a Berreta 92 sleeve, an HK vp9 mag etc. Maybe there's not enough room to adjust for different angles the mags are designed for or something.
I would love it if someone made an HK magwell for it. I don't own a Glock so I hate that I have to buy Glock mags for this thing. I own several HKs and already have plenty of mags.
My personal opinion is that the Magpul 21-27 round magazines, whatever fits in the stock, is the ideal for that firearm. They don't rattle around too much in the magwell and they're quiet enough if they do, being entirely plastic, give good capacity and aren't annoying. They can be found for less than $20.
That said, if I had a dozen magazines for my favorite handgun, yeah. Shared magazines just make sense. It's weird they don't make more adapters.
I like mine. I've only used it for plinking. But it's accurate enough out to 100y. That's as far as I've shot mine. It's much tighter at 50y I can get 1-2in groups at 50y. 9mm just doesn't have a very high BC. I'm shooting 147gr FMJ FN btw.
It's a 10/22 but with gayer looking furniture.
Someone needs to make a front end that makes this look like a DeLisle with a giant can in .45 ACP and give it a quiet straight pull action.
What's the best pcc with the magazine going into the pistol gripola?
IMO, probably the CMMG Banshee but you're going to inspire a lot of argument with that question and draw out all the sp5 fanboys.
Wait, nvm, I wasn't thinking what you asked was mag in grip. Apologies. To my knowledge they're all direct blowback and it's probably going to be either the Ruger LC carbine/charger in 5.7 or .45 or something from B&T.
Very few good options
TP9
Flux raider
Cheap fun
Yes
No
Since you totally actually bought the thing and this isn't just weak bait how about you post a pic of the thing that isn't off Google?
I would gladly if I didn’t live in Gavinland
>Does it have any realistic merit in a defensive situation or just a plinking toy?
yeah, a 9mm handgun will kill people good and a PCC will let you do that with better aim and faster follow up shots.
>Does it have any realistic merit in a defensive situation
It's a fricking gun you moron of course it does.
Anyone shoot a beretta cx4? How was it? I bought a handgun (92 rdo compact) a while back and now I'm thinking about a pcc.
bumpan
whats that from, where can i find more of it?
thx
Not sure the animator or model creator but the character is Marie Rose from the Dead or Alive video game series.
you can even kill durr within 50yds if you pick the right ammo. between that and joggers it has plenty of practical applications
Takedown PCCs are some of the most versatile and useful weapons for the armed citizen and are under appreciated because enough youtubes convinced the moron masses that they should play soldier instead
I dont know about anyone else but PCCs with those over sized mag wells with a rinky dinky pistol mag sticking out of it bugs the absolute shit out of me. JUST MAKE THE MAGWELL FIT THE MAGS FOR THE GUN! Frick it looks moronic.
The Ruger in particular has sleeves in the magwell that take different magazines. Ergo, it's naturally going to be thicker and the plastic surrounding it also has to house the magazine release. Those 2 facts combined with wanting some added thickness for strength are why it's built that way. You may prefer something like that Beretta tech9 knock off or some Turkshit sp5 for 2 grand. The world is your oyster.
Pro-gun people in California have a duty to stay in California and make it better. Anti-gun people in California have an obligation to stay in California and deal with the mess they made. People in California need to stay in California.
>People in California need to stay in California.
Yes. Stay in your containment zone.
Frick the captcha wait time and frick California transplants.
9mm pcc are great for home defense
It’s a giant 10/22, it’s great. They’re pretty good for varmint control ~75yds. 9mm is superior to .22mag in most respects, except range. They need to make them in stainless.
That's a pretty neat collection you go going on there.
They're not the worst suppressor host either.
Well, nearly any fixed barrel 9mm is a pretty good suppressor host.
How well does the drum feed? I mostly just use g26 mags because they fit while collapsed.
I would avoid the drum. It feeds perfectly reliably and does everything it's supposed to but it's annoying to load, annoying to unload, awkward to pack, cumbersome and heavy.
If you would like my opinion, get a single Glock 26 mag for the reason you said and then get the longest 9mm pmag that will fit in the stock, put a pull tab under it so you can get it back out easy and forget about the drum. Apologies, but I cannot recall what length of pmag would fit in the stock. If memory serves, it's either the 21round or 27 round and you can go a size down if you want to be able to easily fish it back out with a finger. Otherwise, put a bit of nylon webbing or paracord around it as a pull tab.
>annoying to unload
Just pull the trigger until all the boolits are out. ezpz
I don't know what it is about them but I just wish they were less ugly. Maybe if they designed it to look like a 10/22 Sporter in wood first and then designed the polymer option it'd have looked better but something about them just look...off. Maybe it's the short forend. Maybe it's my hate of ugly PCC magwells. I don't know. I want one though.
What silencer for both and is either silencer with either of them hearing safe? Or at the very least do they not make your ears ring? I've considered a 9mm PCC for a while but whether or not it can effectively be silenced to the degree I want is holding me back a bit.
The two silencers, on the long gun it's a really shitty Witt Machine which does little to suppress. However, subsonic 9mm out of a 16" barrel is already relatively quiet and so it works fine.
The longer one on the handgun is a Rugged Obsidian and yes, it suppresses very well. Currently I have replaced the spring with a spacer to direct thread it onto a fixed barrel PDW...
. That gun, again with the right ammo, is only as loud as the bolt cycling. I would consider it hearing safe but that's not to say it's movie quiet. The 5.7 here
has a polonium K on it and the only noise is a tiny sonic boom. It's not unpleasant to shoot outside without earpro but at night, you can see flame shoot out of both the muzzle and ejection port, since it's direct blow back. Night vision dudes, are more concerned with the flame than the noise.
I have opinions:
1. I believe suppressors are best on fixed barrel guns and all fixed barrel guns should have them.
2. The best way to attach a suppressor to your fixed barrel is picture related (what is used on that my 5.7)
3. Subsonic suppressor host is the only really valid use case for PCC/PDW and where they shine the most. Otherwise, I would just go with a pistol or a rifle instead of the the worst of both worlds. PCC/PDW are great for mounting stuff to them, including suppressors, lights, large format red dots etc.
As for what can is best for you? I haven't the foggiest but it's an NFA item. It's expensive and it's yours forever. So, spend the time and money to get a good one, good being a very broad term. YHM Resonator, Resonator K, R9 with their SRX mount is probably my favorite but I'm not going to pretend like the new flow through and $1,500 3d printed space magic cans aren't potentially a lot better. Flow through seems really cool just for the cleaning aspect but I don't have one. I do have YHM and really like them. Everyone that gets one seems happy with it.
Different Comiefornia anon here. I bought my Ruger PCC because it comes with a fixed traditional stock, so it doesn't need a pistol grip fin or mag bolt/take-down pin like an AR platform. Unfortunately, it also means no threads on the barrel and I couldn't even have a suppressor on it if it did. If my entire extended family didn't live here, I didn't own property and I wasn't in one of the most conservative counties(Shasta) I'd probably move. But as it is, I have access to great PrepHole opportunities and a sheriff that refused to enforce any of commie newscum's coof mandates. I'm in the agricultural part of the state and not in a major city. I see lots of FJB flags up here and no Biden/Harris yard signs. So, I'm holding ground here. Maybe one day we'll get our State of Jefferson or Greater Idaho. I'll take either.
Sheriff's are frequently the only based law enforcement in an area thanks to their job relying on local elections. With a few exceptions of corruption, the Sheriff is awesome.
It's good that we have layered law enforcement but IMO the Sheriff should be the primary and then maybe a state level enforcement for corruption oversight or to handle complaints on the Sheriff.
I haven't experiences that but I'm also the type that will take mags apart and clean them if I see them getting too dirty and while I do shoot my guns, I don't put thousands of rounds a year through any particular one.
IIRC I was recommended a Rugged Obsidian. Might check it out. It'd be going on a yet to be determined PCC and a Beretta 92FS as I need it.
>I would consider it hearing safe but that's not to say it's movie quiet.
Oh for sure. I have some .22 silencers and they're not movie quiet unless you use like CCI quiet or Colibris out of a rifle. I have a Bobcat and that is NOT quiet silenced unless you use CCI quiet; everything else makes your ears ring. My 10/22, I shoot 1280FPS Aguila out of it with a silencer and while it sounds like a rifle, it's still ring-free. Go figure.
>The 5.7 here
HE403R on the PC Charger and LC Charger has a polonium K on it and the only noise is a tiny sonic boom. It's not unpleasant to shoot outside without earpro
That's interesting; I didn't think 5.7 would silence that well. No ring? Ever silence .22 mag out of a rifle?
>As for what can is best for you? I haven't the foggiest but it's an NFA item. It's expensive and it's yours forever. So, spend the time and money to get a good one, good being a very broad term. YHM Resonator, Resonator K, R9 with their SRX mount is probably my favorite but I'm not going to pretend like the new flow through and $1,500 3d printed space magic cans aren't potentially a lot better. Flow through seems really cool just for the cleaning aspect but I don't have one. I do have YHM and really like them. Everyone that gets one seems happy with it.
That's a given. Silencers have the worst lack of info I've seen on a product. It isn't like a gun where if I don't like it oh well, I'll sell it or whatever. That shit cost you $200 plus whatever some theoretical person would pay for a barely used silencer if you can find a buyer. Frick that. I want an outdoor range where they just have a stack of silencers to compare. It'd be niche, but each time I get a silencer I wonder if it's really the best choice for me and I'd pay for that experience. I'm mostly in it for alone-at-the-range and hunting use. Hunting is amazing with no earpro.
It's based as heck. Get an aftermarket extractor because you're gonna wear out the stock one quick. I keep mine under the bed for HD gun.
Ive probably put 3k rounds thru this. It's a really good way to introduce new shooters to something that's vaguely ar-shaped with no recoil and concussive blast.
>will this semi-automatic rifle firing lead slugs at supersonic velocities be useful in a self defense scenario
what kind of moronic question is this? what's next, are you going to ask us if the winter jacket you bought will be useful in a cold weather scenario?
Prefer the non takedown version, better sight radius
Fug that actually looks nice...still no wood option but it looks way better. Now make it green and I would be all over that shit. What model is that? I can't find it here. https://www.ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html
I made it up.
FRICK YOU. IT LOOKS SO GOOD. AND FRICK RUGER FOR NOT MAKING IT LOOK LIKE THAT. I was wondering what the frick was going on with the magwell (and my knowledge that AFAIK no non-TD was ever made) and yeah now I see the lack of transparency in the swivel. Some photoshop magic some anon did looks better than what Ruger actually made, go figure. Fricking Ruger.
fricking boat anchor, just get a milled sam7k it's lighter than that pos.
The pc carbine pictured in op weighs about 6lbs. A sam7k is slightly over 6lbs, with a proper buttstock. The pc carbine is compatible with handgun ammunition. While the sam7k is EEEEeeeeEEEEeeee. They’re not the same thing at all.