Played with the CD version for a while. Bolt is poorly constructed, pin locations intersected other festures snd the metallurgy was questionable. Furniture was dogshit. Ran ok, didn't keep it long enough to find out. Just get a 1301 or similar
Personally I got an italian made 1301 since I didn't want to wait to see if Beretta USA managed to unfrick their QC. If no frickup emerges I'll buy one.
A300, okay. I like the look of that and certainly Beretta. Is the Ultima patrol not released yet? I'm not quite ready to purchase yet so I can wait a few months but I don't want to much longer than that.
Yeah I checked every LGS in my city and none in stock, that's why I asked. Fricking hell. It's a tad over my preferred budget but it looks like I'm going to have to pay for a quality semi-auto, no other way around it. I've already spent $2k on guns this year but it is what it is. >mfw thinking about no stock
All the various M4 turkish knockoffs are perfect.
Yes, they are the perfect platform to practice malfunction clearing on an M4. A real M4 will almost never actually jam so you either fake a malfunction in order to train with it or you're going to not train in the first place which is dumb.
So yeah, buy one for 200 dollars and practice away till it breaks in a couple dozens round.
No price is too high to pay for good training.
any thoughts on the sauer sl5? its made in italy and under a 1000
unfortunately weatherby and some other companies are using turkish companies for their products. i have a girsan 312 in the shop, it is ok but can sell them at around 350-400, havent had an rma on those yet so thats good
not sure, but it seems all shotgun are either made armscor, italy, china, or turkey. kinda sucks, american made stuff is mostly assembled in mexico and shit i think. even the winchester sxp and the mossberg over unders are turkish
>expensive >kinda complicated for everyday jackass >heavy as all frick
its an ok gun but as far as shotgun go there are far better options, like the benelli m3. it does look cool as shit and is iconic so i would buy one if the price was right
>expensive >kinda complicated for everyday jackass >heavy as all frick
its an ok gun but as far as shotgun go there are far better options, like the benelli m3. it does look cool as shit and is iconic so i would buy one if the price was right
I'm not even asking for the Pump/Auto functionality. I'd take one that's pump-only but is otherwise identical just to satisfy several decades of fawning over it in media
I dont have any experience with Panzer specifically, but I do have a good bit of experience with turkish 12 gauges.
In my opinion, they're simply okay. Would still take my shockwave over the bullpup for home defence any day, though. Not that the turkish ones are bad, but because I know that the mossberg is not.
I've got roughly 2k shells in the bullpup and somewhere around 1500 in the lever action. Both turkish. No real issues yet, but a couple of failures to eject with the bullpup, but that's rare, and if its worth anything, its only been with low brass shells.
Tl;dr: good guns if you wanna have a lot of fun with some cheap bird shot, but personally I wouldnt trust one to function as needed, when needed, for any other reason. Just spend the extra money, it's worth it to know you've got good shit.
Played with the CD version for a while. Bolt is poorly constructed, pin locations intersected other festures snd the metallurgy was questionable. Furniture was dogshit. Ran ok, didn't keep it long enough to find out. Just get a 1301 or similar
Got any semi-auto recommendations under $1000? Non-hunting spec.
Beretta A300 Ultima patrol looks promising.
Personally I got an italian made 1301 since I didn't want to wait to see if Beretta USA managed to unfrick their QC. If no frickup emerges I'll buy one.
A300, okay. I like the look of that and certainly Beretta. Is the Ultima patrol not released yet? I'm not quite ready to purchase yet so I can wait a few months but I don't want to much longer than that.
IIRC it should already be on sale. good luck finding one tho
Yeah I checked every LGS in my city and none in stock, that's why I asked. Fricking hell. It's a tad over my preferred budget but it looks like I'm going to have to pay for a quality semi-auto, no other way around it. I've already spent $2k on guns this year but it is what it is.
>mfw thinking about no stock
Beretta A300 or mossberg 940
>ran ok
>but I have a laundry list of complaints that are based on nothing
Lol
I mean he's b***hing about the furniture which is pfffff
Why not just buy your poorgay cope M4 since you've already decided that it's Justasgood (tm)?
>Waaàahhhhh
>Panzer Arms
>German Henne
>Made in Turkey
LMAO
All the various M4 turkish knockoffs are perfect.
Yes, they are the perfect platform to practice malfunction clearing on an M4. A real M4 will almost never actually jam so you either fake a malfunction in order to train with it or you're going to not train in the first place which is dumb.
So yeah, buy one for 200 dollars and practice away till it breaks in a couple dozens round.
No price is too high to pay for good training.
any thoughts on the sauer sl5? its made in italy and under a 1000
unfortunately weatherby and some other companies are using turkish companies for their products. i have a girsan 312 in the shop, it is ok but can sell them at around 350-400, havent had an rma on those yet so thats good
>german sauer
>made in italy
Wut? Why the frick are the wops buying every company under the sun?
not sure, but it seems all shotgun are either made armscor, italy, china, or turkey. kinda sucks, american made stuff is mostly assembled in mexico and shit i think. even the winchester sxp and the mossberg over unders are turkish
Party pooper here to complain about why none of these frickers will make the copy we want most.
God what I'd give. Is there still a patent on it or something?
>expensive
>kinda complicated for everyday jackass
>heavy as all frick
its an ok gun but as far as shotgun go there are far better options, like the benelli m3. it does look cool as shit and is iconic so i would buy one if the price was right
Plenty of guns are not great but iconic and get copies that sell well. Just wondering why the most iconic shotgun ever doesn't have one.
I'm not even asking for the Pump/Auto functionality. I'd take one that's pump-only but is otherwise identical just to satisfy several decades of fawning over it in media
god damn even cz shotguns are made in turkey
both the 712 and 1012 line, wtf man
I dont have any experience with Panzer specifically, but I do have a good bit of experience with turkish 12 gauges.
In my opinion, they're simply okay. Would still take my shockwave over the bullpup for home defence any day, though. Not that the turkish ones are bad, but because I know that the mossberg is not.
I've got roughly 2k shells in the bullpup and somewhere around 1500 in the lever action. Both turkish. No real issues yet, but a couple of failures to eject with the bullpup, but that's rare, and if its worth anything, its only been with low brass shells.
Tl;dr: good guns if you wanna have a lot of fun with some cheap bird shot, but personally I wouldnt trust one to function as needed, when needed, for any other reason. Just spend the extra money, it's worth it to know you've got good shit.