Taliban being in charge is a good thing for Pakistan though. They're buddies and taliban poses a juicer target for isis if they're in public. (Remember how murrica did not inform the authorities when they snached bin laden? There's a reason for that.) Ideally leading to isis attacking afghani soldiers instead of Pakistani soldiers. The border was never well secured either, so I assume nowadays it's just gotten a bit less secured.
>Taliban being in charge is a good thing for Pakistan though.
long term definitely not. a US puppet regime is much better than an unstable islamist regime with a starving population who can be easily radicalized. Some paki politician recently seethed at the Taliban regime for not stopping the TTP from chilling in Afghanistan.
But they're approved by the Pakistani population - as opposed to an american puppet. They might be incompetent but if something like an India Pakistan war happens, you know that taliban will side with Pakistan. That weren't so clear if the USA still had their leash around the people in charge.
>Dude everyone in the Mujahideen became a terrorist
Mujahideen is a literally an umbrella term for anyone fighting against the Soviets and you various different factions trying to fight for control after the Red Army left.
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That guy in the pic is literally Osama Bin Laden....
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I'm not denying Osama didn't fight in Afghanistan but every midwit thinks it was some linear progression from Mujahedeen to Taliban.
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>only 50% of the mujahedin became some flavor or another of islamist extremist, it's totally a different thing that should not be eradicated with napalm
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>Muh 50%
Taliban literally did not exist during the Soviet Afghan war and were Pakistan students. Most of the Mujahedeen were just random villagers and warlords. Osama was just foreign fighter who wanted to get a piece of the action.
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So they rebranded a bunch, split up and merged but the source is the same. Radical islam stems from there.
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Dude most Afghans were just random warlords fighting amongst each other before the Taliban took over.
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And yet the unifying point appears to be beheading random people in the name of allah and having 20 children.
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They unified because the warlords were unironically worse then the Taliban. Also there was the Northern Alliance ran by Ahmad Shah Massoud who was amoderate but got screwed over by the ISI and got assassinated by AQ two days before 9/11
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>fake camera team >using fake belgian passports >belgium joined the war on terror on the side of terror two days before the war started
honestly we did more for the taliban with those fake passports then we did against sitting in a base the entire operation doing fuck all
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Rip to Massoud he seemed like a decent guy. >Fight the Soviets >Warn the west about terror attacks coming up from islamists >He gets assasinated >No one listens anyways >9/11 happens
Apparently his grave in Kabul keeps getting vandalized
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CIA had him killed
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Yes larping as journalists and then doing a suicide bombing with a weak boom which didn’t even kill him outright and this in a small room fits totally to the CIA and not inbreeds Arabs.
Meds
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Well that and that the Americans were propping up warlords who wanted to sodomize their male children as teaboys before slitting their throats.
That has always played a part in Taliban Afghani recruiting and propaganda even in the 90s.
I recall some analyst writing from that time noting how the Afghanis said that after the Taliban even the birds no longer need to use one wing to cover their ass when flying over Kandahar.
It's probably the most retarded big strategic flaw of the whole thing. All the whining about the plights of women not getting a first world education while they're allowing their guys to push ALL the potential fighters, young boys and men who by and large do not want to get sodomized, into siding with the enemy.
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reminder that you're a pedo that should be bricked to death alongside all your "trad" towlheads
https://www.voanews.com/a/afghanistan-poverty-bears-more-child-brides/6556599.html >Under the Taliban's interpretation of Islamic law, the marriage of an 11-year-old girl, considered middle childhood in most countries, is allowed. Medical professionals strongly disagree.
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>to stop pedophilia we must prop up gay pedophile warlords!
Also the same thing happens in every Arab and African country as well as Orthodox gnomish and gpysy families.
You're just a reddit brained propaganda addled gay/and or male feminist lmao. If you care so much about women's rights in Afghanistan go there and fight for them. The women there certainly didn't.
Will PrepHole finally acknowledge the ISI-Taliban connection? Everyone went on about the garden gnome's, Saudi Arabia and the CIA yet no thought that maybe the country that helped actually create the Taliban and borders Afghanistan might be in cahoots with them?
About a decade ago when actual veterans posted here everybody knew Pakistan was supporting the Taliban. Even people who didn't serve with a brain should know they supported them. The ISI is run by unironic Islamists and we should have executed them in the 2000s
that would be a gross oversimplification that doesn't take into account the changing nature of Tally over time. the current Tally is rather different to the one from the 80s which was rather different to the one existent in the 00s etc etc.
>The compound is 1.3 km (3⁄4 mi) southwest of the Pakistan Military Academy.[2] Located on a plot of land eight times larger than those of nearby houses
Man isn't that convenient
Everybody who has knowledge in this topic did. Bush rants about Pakistan where funny and the ISI was happy when he was gone. Obama was too soft with those islamic streetshiter
They are Afghan nationalists above all, and the "international community" has a tight leash on Pakistan's international funds (GDP) due to their nuclear weapons, threat to Israel, and associations with Moscow.
You can't count on Afghan nationalists to protect Pakistan. It is really the Pakistan national military that serves this purpose, while the Taliban wishes to make an Afghan nuclear power.
Pakistan is a nuclear power and the Afghan goal is nuclear proliferation to some degree while also securing their own country from rebels and insurgents. Their existence is not to be the national defense of Pakistan.
My family is from the same area as Afghanistan and it legitimately hurts to see how fucked the country is. Fuck.
The country has been fucked for over a hundred years, because the people who lived there wanted it to be that way.
Their last king tried to modernised the kingdom and got overthrown because the people wanted it to remain backwards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Zahir_Shah
The Soviets tried to help the country modernise twice, but again, the people preferred to live in an unstable mess.
And then the Americans took a shot at modernising the country, but that again failed because the people living there just want to live as their ancestors lived hundreds of years ago. I don't think we'll ever see a peaceful, stable Afghanistan.
>He was considered a relatively lenient leader compared to previous kings; Zahir Shah had never signed a warrant for the execution of anyone for political reasons during his reign. He also used his power several times to commute capital punishment sentences given to some convicted criminals.[4] At Zahir Shah's behest a new constitution was introduced in 1964 which made Afghanistan a modern democratic state by introducing free elections, a parliament, civil and political rights, women's rights, and universal suffrage.[
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Taliban and ISIS are arch enemies. What do you need explained?
Pakis supported Taliban but didn't realize the blowback would mean their own border is (even more) poorly secured and porous
Taliban being in charge is a good thing for Pakistan though. They're buddies and taliban poses a juicer target for isis if they're in public. (Remember how murrica did not inform the authorities when they snached bin laden? There's a reason for that.) Ideally leading to isis attacking afghani soldiers instead of Pakistani soldiers. The border was never well secured either, so I assume nowadays it's just gotten a bit less secured.
>Taliban being in charge is a good thing for Pakistan though.
long term definitely not. a US puppet regime is much better than an unstable islamist regime with a starving population who can be easily radicalized. Some paki politician recently seethed at the Taliban regime for not stopping the TTP from chilling in Afghanistan.
and? talibans are useless dimwit
But they're approved by the Pakistani population - as opposed to an american puppet. They might be incompetent but if something like an India Pakistan war happens, you know that taliban will side with Pakistan. That weren't so clear if the USA still had their leash around the people in charge.
why did india fund the talibans if it's so good for pakistan
Didn't everyone at one point or another though?
>Dude everyone in the Mujahideen became a terrorist
Mujahideen is a literally an umbrella term for anyone fighting against the Soviets and you various different factions trying to fight for control after the Red Army left.
That guy in the pic is literally Osama Bin Laden....
I'm not denying Osama didn't fight in Afghanistan but every midwit thinks it was some linear progression from Mujahedeen to Taliban.
>only 50% of the mujahedin became some flavor or another of islamist extremist, it's totally a different thing that should not be eradicated with napalm
>Muh 50%
Taliban literally did not exist during the Soviet Afghan war and were Pakistan students. Most of the Mujahedeen were just random villagers and warlords. Osama was just foreign fighter who wanted to get a piece of the action.
So they rebranded a bunch, split up and merged but the source is the same. Radical islam stems from there.
Dude most Afghans were just random warlords fighting amongst each other before the Taliban took over.
And yet the unifying point appears to be beheading random people in the name of allah and having 20 children.
They unified because the warlords were unironically worse then the Taliban. Also there was the Northern Alliance ran by Ahmad Shah Massoud who was amoderate but got screwed over by the ISI and got assassinated by AQ two days before 9/11
>fake camera team
>using fake belgian passports
>belgium joined the war on terror on the side of terror two days before the war started
honestly we did more for the taliban with those fake passports then we did against sitting in a base the entire operation doing fuck all
Rip to Massoud he seemed like a decent guy.
>Fight the Soviets
>Warn the west about terror attacks coming up from islamists
>He gets assasinated
>No one listens anyways
>9/11 happens
Apparently his grave in Kabul keeps getting vandalized
CIA had him killed
Yes larping as journalists and then doing a suicide bombing with a weak boom which didn’t even kill him outright and this in a small room fits totally to the CIA and not inbreeds Arabs.
Meds
Well that and that the Americans were propping up warlords who wanted to sodomize their male children as teaboys before slitting their throats.
That has always played a part in Taliban Afghani recruiting and propaganda even in the 90s.
I recall some analyst writing from that time noting how the Afghanis said that after the Taliban even the birds no longer need to use one wing to cover their ass when flying over Kandahar.
It's probably the most retarded big strategic flaw of the whole thing. All the whining about the plights of women not getting a first world education while they're allowing their guys to push ALL the potential fighters, young boys and men who by and large do not want to get sodomized, into siding with the enemy.
reminder that you're a pedo that should be bricked to death alongside all your "trad" towlheads
https://www.voanews.com/a/afghanistan-poverty-bears-more-child-brides/6556599.html
>Under the Taliban's interpretation of Islamic law, the marriage of an 11-year-old girl, considered middle childhood in most countries, is allowed. Medical professionals strongly disagree.
>to stop pedophilia we must prop up gay pedophile warlords!
Also the same thing happens in every Arab and African country as well as Orthodox gnomish and gpysy families.
You're just a reddit brained propaganda addled gay/and or male feminist lmao. If you care so much about women's rights in Afghanistan go there and fight for them. The women there certainly didn't.
what kind of retarded deflection is this? can't you just let go of your conclusion that a taliban run failed state is good for pakistan
They didn't they funded some other troublemakers
>Americans defeated by useless dimwits
Will PrepHole finally acknowledge the ISI-Taliban connection? Everyone went on about the garden gnome's, Saudi Arabia and the CIA yet no thought that maybe the country that helped actually create the Taliban and borders Afghanistan might be in cahoots with them?
About a decade ago when actual veterans posted here everybody knew Pakistan was supporting the Taliban. Even people who didn't serve with a brain should know they supported them. The ISI is run by unironic Islamists and we should have executed them in the 2000s
that would be a gross oversimplification that doesn't take into account the changing nature of Tally over time. the current Tally is rather different to the one from the 80s which was rather different to the one existent in the 00s etc etc.
Is that why Osama was in a compound hidden away by the ISI?
sauce?
>The compound is 1.3 km (3⁄4 mi) southwest of the Pakistan Military Academy.[2] Located on a plot of land eight times larger than those of nearby houses
Man isn't that convenient
thats hardly evidence. lots of things are 1.3km away from me, does that mean I'm associated with them?
The Pakis thought the Taliban would be their proxy in Afghanistan, but the Taliban had ideas of their own.
didnt pakistan use isis as a proxy force just as much?
Everybody who has knowledge in this topic did. Bush rants about Pakistan where funny and the ISI was happy when he was gone. Obama was too soft with those islamic streetshiter
I thought everyone already knew about that
They are Afghan nationalists above all, and the "international community" has a tight leash on Pakistan's international funds (GDP) due to their nuclear weapons, threat to Israel, and associations with Moscow.
You can't count on Afghan nationalists to protect Pakistan. It is really the Pakistan national military that serves this purpose, while the Taliban wishes to make an Afghan nuclear power.
Pakistan is a nuclear power and the Afghan goal is nuclear proliferation to some degree while also securing their own country from rebels and insurgents. Their existence is not to be the national defense of Pakistan.
about time they learned that jihadis always bite the hand that feeds
My family is from the same area as Afghanistan and it legitimately hurts to see how fucked the country is. Fuck.
oh hi there -stan
I just checked and there’s this land mass named Iran between us and Afghanistan but it’s still tragic.
Realistically, do you even try “fixing” it? Why not just block it off and turn it into North Korea 2.0v
The country has been fucked for over a hundred years, because the people who lived there wanted it to be that way.
Their last king tried to modernised the kingdom and got overthrown because the people wanted it to remain backwards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Zahir_Shah
The Soviets tried to help the country modernise twice, but again, the people preferred to live in an unstable mess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_intervention_in_Afghanistan_(1929)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_intervention_in_Afghanistan_(1930)
And then the Americans took a shot at modernising the country, but that again failed because the people living there just want to live as their ancestors lived hundreds of years ago. I don't think we'll ever see a peaceful, stable Afghanistan.
>He was considered a relatively lenient leader compared to previous kings; Zahir Shah had never signed a warrant for the execution of anyone for political reasons during his reign. He also used his power several times to commute capital punishment sentences given to some convicted criminals.[4] At Zahir Shah's behest a new constitution was introduced in 1964 which made Afghanistan a modern democratic state by introducing free elections, a parliament, civil and political rights, women's rights, and universal suffrage.[
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monke
Were they doing a wheelie and throwing horns before they detonated the bomb?
This is critically important information that we need to know.
That's the CIA
>stanag mags, acog m4
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