It's underrated.
>perfect size for concealed carry or duty
>good capacity
>comes in glorious 357 Sig
>fully ambidextrous, low profile design
>grip fits all hand types
>LEM trigger is best duty trigger
>utterly reliable
>extremely accurate
Shits all over the VP9. When will it finally get the recognition it deserves?
>>good capacity
>13+1
nani the heck
agreed on the rest, it's my daily carry
NTA but 13 rounds of 9mm is perfectly fine for virtually every encounter, there are obviously higher cap options now but sometimes it seems a bit gratuitous.
I personally feel pretty comfortable even with 9 rounds of 9mm. Most DGUs take far fewer rounds than even that. Because I'm comfy with 9 rounds, I get to carry a 1911.
Pretty much the same here, but on the other end of the spectrum, because I'm comfortable with roughly that same amount of rounds, I can carry a hellcat or p365 and call it a day.
What is the normal capacity for a similar sized gun now? You're splitting wiener hairs.
I mean, an everyday frickshit glock 19 holds 2 more while only being 0.03 of an inch taller, and a p365 XL holds one less in a flush mag while being 0.27 of an inch shorter
Not saying the p2000 has bad capacity, I just wouldn't lable it a strongsuit
Not that anon but you can slap a 17 round mag in it and it will still be slightly shorter than a G17
And you can slap a 17 rd mag in a P365 and it will be shorter than either.
Or you can just buy a G43X and leave sigger trash for the birds
Bro it takes VP9/P30 17 round mags what the frick are you smoking get with the times grandma.
B4 yo stupid ass rebuts there are grip extensions for said mags so they will mesh well with the p2000
good luck carrying with 17 rounder in the P2000 homosexual. let me guess, you carry the 17 round mag in your butthole
Do they even sell .357 slides anymore? I've got one in .40s&w and I still haven't put a round through it since money got tight.
isn't it just a USPc? they're virtually identical in terms of size, so why one over the other?
the p2k is smaller, does not have thumb safeties, has a singular pic rail slot for a gadget of your choosing, is usually a bit cheaper, is on the California roster, and has a different recoil spring set.
Identical in height, p2000 is slightly longer, on the USPc the safeties are removable if you wish, the P2000 is definitely cheaper and unfortunately the only HK option still in the commie roster (I heard we're gonna get VP9s?), and the recoil spring set is basically the same between the USPc, P2000, and P30. Only the full size USPs have that heavy duty recoil spring system that looks like a car part
P2k is ultimately a product improved USP Compact - it's a bit more svelte compared to a USPc.
However No P2000 has ever had a manual safety, the frame and slide are smaller, and it shares mags with the USPc/P30 and VP9. The dewienerer is in a much better location on the p2k's, and the p2k doesn't have the trigger issues the P30/S/SK have.
It's also ergonomically superior to the USP Compact and the P30/P30SK.
There are other improvements though and I say this from experience - it's easier to work with/remove/replace the hammer strut and trigger return spring in the P2000.
VP9/P30 17 round mags with an xgrip spacer negate any capacity complaints and the P2000's CDA LEM 4.1 is bar none the best LEM setup there is - on par with the USP LEM match hybrid but with a better reset and the ability to dewiener
USP > P30, VP9
P2000 > USPc
USP45 > HK45
USP45ct = HK45CT
P30sk > P2000sk, VP9sk
VP9 > P30
>Shits all over the VP9
lolno, vp9 and USP fullsize are the only two good pistols HK makes currently.
I tried to like this gun, but just can't. I think the USPc is the superior option. But if you can get the P2000 for 600ish (what they used to be at some point) then I'd say go for it. Definitely beats a stock Glock.
>USPc has better trigger out of the box
>USPc has better trigger upgrades available for it
>Shorter reset
>Better grip texture
>USPc is still a little smaller than the P2000 while retaining the same capacity
>USPc can be changed into 9 different configurations
And the finish and quality on the USPc is a tiny bit above the P2000, enough to matter? Probably not. One major pro of the P2000 for some people will be the fact it has an accessory rail unlike the USPs proprietary, so if you're big on lasers/flashlights it's gonna be the superior option for you simply for that. Though there are a lot of decent WML options for the USP most people don't even know about. Some even direct mount. In the spirit of the thread, here's a nice pic of the P2000
This. I wanted to like the P2000, but overall I feel it's a step backwards from the USPc in every way except the rail, which isn't that big of a deal anyways. I do like the P2000sk though, thats a nice little gun.
>USPc has better trigger out of the box
If you go DA/SA? Yes 100% the USPc IS BETTER as a DA/SA
Light LEM P2k vs a light lem USPc is equivalent but a light LEM p2000 can be improved better than a LEM USPc
>USPc has better trigger upgrades.
Flat out no.
P2000 cannot have DA/SA match trigger like the USPc but it can have match flatspring, match TRS, and match/light FPBS on DA/SA
USPc CANNOT have dewienering LEM 4.1. It cant have the spurred CDA/P30 hammer on LEM, The P2000 is the better LEM option.
If your making an argument about variants ie 9 different configurations the P2000 never had a safety by design and half of the USP variations are safety placement related.
But it's elementary since the P2000 and USP share 70%+ of their components anyway. From an armorer perspective the P2000 is easier to work on due to better access to the hammer strut and trigger return spring.
TLDR the USPc is better at being DA/SA
The P2000 is optimized for LEM
I carry a P2000 every day, I used to carry a USPC before that. I like the less aggressive texturing of the P2000 grips.
I don’t really like getting into the “this is the best fun argument, because there’s a lot of factors, but I agree the P2000 is underrated, I’d love to see an optics ready version like they did the with the VP.
What golster and carry position do you use?
I'm a skinny guy and a p2k at appendix in a t1c just aint working
If they made a P30 this size it would be the perfect detective duty gun. The P2000 you have to shave your mag followers if you want to load 14-15 rounds, but realistically you should be downloading every modern mag by 1-2. HK just used to force dumb people to do it because they won't listen. The mag paddles also are the short kind you have to adjust grip to reach, not like the P30 which has superior extended paddles.
It needs some modern improvements and the P30 has those improvements, they just won't make it in a goldilocks size.
>you should be downloading every modern mag by 1-2
Why would you come into this thread just to tell us you're moronic?
why would there be any other reason
To contribute to a meaningful discussion on outdated, overpriced HK handguns?
The P30 has gay ass finger grooves and more garish rail slots than you would ever need the P2000 was optimized to be smoooooth
For the most part, the P2000 and P30 never really got the same respect as the USP despite being straight upgrades. I think it's because by the time the USPs needed to be replaced, striker-fired pistols got to be the new thing, and the P2000 and P30 never really had a chance to shine. I know that the US Border Patrol used P2000s, but that's about it. They're great guns though, and it says a lot when the biggest criticisms are 13 vs 17 rounds and a tenth of an inch.
The looks are partially why I chose the P2000sk over the P30sk. The P30sk is so visually busy while the P2000sk looks like a mini USP.
is bad for speed
I'm curious why you would say that. What kind of split times are you getting?
If you're used to a short reset pistol, you'll definitely get trigger freeze problems if you switch to one with a long reset. With my Glocks I can do 0.13 splits on demand, my Beretta LTT Elite has an even shorter reset than the Glock but my splits aren't as fast, closer to .20s (I think the Glock has a strong trigger return so it helps move your finger forward to help you reset for another shot but that's just my theory). I started gittingud with a USP9 so I was used to the longer reset for years until I switched to other guns, and then when I took my USP out of the safe after years of shooting small reset triggers... I tried to shoot the USP fast and would get some trigger freeze issues that had nothing to do with tensing up the firing hand, but simply not resetting the trigger. But I generally agree with you that the reset doesn't matter much, however you have to get used to it and practice with it if it's a long reset.
>conceal carry
>width 1.37"
Lmao
>being .03" wider than Gen 5 G19 will break his ability to CC a fairly small gun
>implying a g19 is concealable either
Get a P2000 v3.
Get the CDA 4.1 LEM kit
Toss in the grey guns short reset kit for the 4.1 - the light Firing pin block spring is optional I recommend either the lazy wolf or keeping it stock
Enjoy the greatest LEM experience known to man, and you can dewiener to DA for giggles
>large for capacity
>large vs competition such as p365 and Glock 48
>Expensive
>Trigger is bad for speed
I actually really like the p2000 and agree, they're extremely accurate, reliable and comfy enough to carry. Objectively the best though? No but they are better than a compact USP. I'm glad you like your gun.
HK Chads can't stop winning
>Shits all over the VP9. When will it finally get the recognition it deserves?
I actually think the VP9 is nearly on par with the p2000 and is quite a bit better than the P30.
The P2000 got sidelined because USPc was already ubiquitous and because the one major contract it had (USBP) went full fricking moron and went with the heavy LEM
i want one just because of csgo
same, pic rel is the one i fell in love with. although, i'm debating on the standard or the compact. former is thinner than the latter, but its also longer and taller
get the standard, i don't see the point in the compact, i have a full size for what it's worth
fair enough, bass pro has one of each available luckily. i'll finger frick both and then decide. full size costs $1k and the compact costs $850
the modern HK & Walther pistols are just hideous to me. Kind of like that awkward time when cars were too round.