Owning guns is illegal here. We use pepper spray for defense. How effective is it?

Owning guns is illegal here. We use pepper spray for defense. How effective is it? I've heard that they're actually really good in a fight.
Also, is it true that it's considered more of a woman weapon over there?
I used to walk around without carrying anything, but got attacked by a pack of thugs, ran away. I could've died that day. Seems like my city isn't as safe as I thought.
It's nice, actually, I've been feeling way more secure after getting one. Thinking about moving to the US one day so I can actually defend myself.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how effective is blinding someone and causing them incredible pain?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now that you put it that way, yeah. I don't know, I'm just not used to confrontations.

      Frick ya mudda

      >t. thug
      learn to run, homosexual

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't work on everyone. Of course there are also stories of thugs taking two mags worth of bullets without stopping.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It doesn't work on everyone. Of course there are also stories of thugs taking two mags worth of bullets without stopping.
        >.t moron that thinks everyone is high as frick on drugs.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          OC doesn't bother me all that much, yeah it sucks but it isn't going to make me stop fighting with someone. In fact, I know from experience that the other person is just as likely to give up if I stay close to them and get as much OC on them as possible.

          >.t OC'd way more times than I care to admit.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          OC doesn't bother me all that much, yeah it sucks but it isn't going to make me stop fighting with someone. In fact, I know from experience that the other person is just as likely to give up if I stay close to them and get as much OC on them as possible.

          >.t OC'd way more times than I care to admit.

          Your t. is the wrong way around and it bothers my autism. T. is just the abbreviation of the finnish word for regards, that's it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your entire language bothers my autism because it sounds like someone talking backwards in their sleep.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think it sounds pretty much like autistic Japanese.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now that you put it that way, yeah. I don't know, I'm just not used to confrontations.
      [...]
      >t. thug
      learn to run, homosexual

      ignore the one moron.
      if the person puts up a hand or is on drugs heavily enough the pepperspray wont do shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Same with guns

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Enough gun splatters your insides onto the outsides of your body, which will eventually kill you. OC doesn't do that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No drug lets you fight without air in your lungs, blood in your heart, or an intact spine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe makes his tolerance to pain extremely high, but the temporary blinding effect will still work, right?

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frick ya mudda

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I've been feeling way more secure after getting one
    It's really nice, actually, guys. I just feel confident and at peace. It's like a puzzle piece that was missing.
    Do you know what I'm talking about, anons? Is this how you felt when you got your first gun?
    Wish I could actually carry a handgun, they're so cool.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thanks, pusher-man

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I stopped having nightmares, at least frequent or particularly bad ones.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I once had this nightmare where the whole world turned into meat, basically like in saya no uta
        I woke up screaming and fricking unironically ran to mommy, screaming MOOOM (I was 20-22), and the walls were all meat, my bed was meat, everything was meat, it was horrifying

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > How effective is it?
    Not very.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's effective unless your opponent has a gun or os extremely determined or already so close that they can grapple you and stab you or something
    best used when something has just escalated, coat their face and gtfo as fast as you can, they will probably have a hard time following you

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you buy the right brand pepper spray will put most people out of commission and leave them crying for a half hour. 99% of people who say they’d just fight through it probably have never been peppersprayed. The 1% who can actually do that are still going to be blind and much worse off in a fight.
    >do people consider it a woman’s weapon
    Yes, but who gives a shit? It’s a woman’s weapon because it works so well it gives a 90lb woman an advantage over a 200lb man. Besides, even if you carry gun some homosexuals going to accuse you of having a small dick for daring to arm yourself. Disregard the opinions of people who would roll over unwilling to defend themselves in the first place.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, good point, I asked it more out of curiosity.

      it's effective unless your opponent has a gun or os extremely determined or already so close that they can grapple you and stab you or something
      best used when something has just escalated, coat their face and gtfo as fast as you can, they will probably have a hard time following you

      Always carry something, OP. Preferably whatever is the upper limit of your self defence laws whether that's a gun or pepper spray. Make sure to practice so that in a dangerous scenario, you're not fricking around trying to get it out, point it in the right direction, etc. Even if it doesn't fully incapacitate someone, they'll be pretty fricking blind. Just be aware that there's a risk of it being a double edged sword. In windy weather especially, there's a chance for some to blow back onto the user.

      Thanks guys, I've read about the wind thing, I'll keep it in mind.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah being pepper sprayed sucks, it helps to have gone through it. If you have, you can tough it out, but I don't think people have trained that much in general.

      OP, recommend you buy a couple extras and actually practice with it. I think the canisters you get are one-shot, and it's a wide spray. You'll get a partial shot yourself and if you haven't actually been hit with it before you might end up getting taken out of commission along with your assailant. If you have friends then you can do proper training where you tough through the exposure and beat the living hell out of a punching bag or another person or something with a timer.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My personal issue with OC is that if we're talking about "violent criminals" or "thugs", chances are they've been to jail or prison. And that means they have also probably been pepper sprayed at least once. So you're losing the main advantage of shock. Or you have a higher chance of it.

        If I couldn't carry a gun, OC would be at the bottom of my list. And unless you're going to spray yourself with the OC you plan to use, you're double fricked because when you hose Abdul or Tyrique with that shit, you're going to get it on you as well. And if the wind is wrong, you may get as much as your target.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A flashlight has also done well at deterring junkies doing the fentanyl shuffle from approaching. A sharp light in their eyes and a loud command in their direction does the trick, resets their fight or flight or something.
          I don't carry OC but I'll pick some up soon, it's cheap and handy. But really I just carry my 9mm, a knife, and a light along with the keys and wallet it works fine and I haven't had to draw the piece yet, I would hate to have my knife be my only form of self-defense because it's either
          >brandish the knife, which immediately ramps up the situation and now you're at best having to close the distance and stab someone a dozen times with a 1-2-2-2-2-2-2 and hope they don't have a knife, too, or
          >ready the knife, keep it hidden, and then ambush the dude and stab stab stab
          either way it's a losing situation I've watched too many people (one) bleed out in less than a minute from a single stab to be comfortable closing the distance with a threat.
          Even getting attacked by dogs (multiple times), I haven't had to draw, it's enough to just get bit by the animal and throw the animal into a wall and kick it hard in the head while the owner runs up to apologize.
          Things change a bit when you have a girl with you or something, but priority one should be running away. if that's not an option (again, because girl), you throw her behind you and deal with the threat (dogs is what I'm thinking of but thugs are the same). In that case don't do the knife thing, knives are for murder, not defense. That said overwhelming response to violence and decisive speed of action will carry the day, you did good with your situation and should be rightly proud.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just shoot them if you have a 9mm.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >knives are for murder, not defense
            Fricking homosexual.
            Every bad situation is Kill or be killed, simple as. It only makes you a criminal if you are caught and prosecuted by law, let the whole "defense" thing to law enforcement, that's their job. Also if you fricking carry, just fricking use it if you know you are in danger ffs.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, lethal weapons are lethal. There is a difference between killing and murder. In that difference is where defense becomes something else. The courts have nothing to do with this, it's about being precise with language.
              Using a carry isn't something to be used when you're in danger, you're in danger when you're on the freeway in your car, should you just start blasting? Get real, danger is a precondition but not the only condition for killing someone.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Always carry something, OP. Preferably whatever is the upper limit of your self defence laws whether that's a gun or pepper spray. Make sure to practice so that in a dangerous scenario, you're not fricking around trying to get it out, point it in the right direction, etc. Even if it doesn't fully incapacitate someone, they'll be pretty fricking blind. Just be aware that there's a risk of it being a double edged sword. In windy weather especially, there's a chance for some to blow back onto the user.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I OCed a guy Friday night.
    Worked pretty gud.
    >work door at a bar
    >see 2 drunk guys tucking around in the alley next to our building
    >yelling, wrestling, but then hugging saying they love each other, etc
    >beating on our fence
    >accosting random strangers
    >but I'm still trying to not get involved because frick it, just hoping they won't come in my bar
    >they cross the street. Harris a group of women who literally have to run away from them
    >come back near my bar
    >eventually start walking up the street
    >little later look outside, they are a few businesses up, another bar (who's security has come down and helped up before, it's an area if downtown with like 7 bars all next to each other, we all help each other out)
    >I see their sec all our, those 2 guys are shining people and shit
    >I walk up there just to be a witness and to help them if things go super sideways
    >the real problem guy (we will call blue for his blue jacket)
    >swings on their sec
    >another one puts him in a shitty short choke kind of thing
    >blue says he's calm and will leave so sec let's him go
    >instantly back to fighting
    >I'm standing behind one of their sec
    >I see him wind up so much shine my 1000 lumen light in his eyes, which makes his punch miss
    >but now he's targeting me freaking out
    >starts circling trying to get my back to the wall
    >lunges at me
    > I give him a .5-1 sec little burst from POM mk3 sized OC stream
    >he turns and instantly stops trying to hurt people rubbing his eyes screaming
    >2 minutes later cops happen to come buy
    >cuff him, cite him for disorderly conduct and let him go after flushing his eyes for a bit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I carry one for work, their efficacy will vary depending on type, clothing, weather, and whether the customer is high on drugs or not.

      Stream liquid is your best multipurpose spray. Cone is easier to hit with but you may get some effect yourself if the conditions are windy. Gel and foam contaminate the surroundings less but that shouldn't be a concern for you.

      When you use one, remember to back off and angle yourself away from a direct route of attack, the effect sometimes comes with a bit of a delay and it gives a determined attacker enough time to really hurt you before the OC bites.

      that's crazy, do you guys have to use it often?
      as for me
      >turn to empty street from a busy central one with crowds of people, 8 PM
      >hear a whistle, look back
      >see a pack of 6-7 homosexuals completely blocking the street I just passed, their leader tried to provoke me and shit test me to see if I was a good target
      >taken aback, mainly because of social awkwardness and not knowing what to say in a situation like this, but not shaken
      >calm and collected throughout the ordeal, wasn't scared, but knew it was a grim situation
      >"Is everything alright, bro?" (starts walking alongside me)
      >"Yeah, man"
      >"That's a confident strut you've got."
      >"It's a normal strut."
      >stepped back, started walking away still looking at them, tried to talk myself out of the situation, tried to appeal to tribalism
      >"I'm not looking for trouble, guys, we're all kin, we don't need to do this"
      >"Are you alright man? Let's go over there (gestures at alley) and talk"
      >I knew that I had to run eventually, but I knew that I had to run NOW, because there was a chance they had backup that could block me from the OTHER side, but I had to take them by surprise to win a couple seconds
      >stop, raise my arms to the sides and start saying something along the lines of "come on, guys, there's really no ne-" and bolt mid-word
      >actually win 5-10 seconds, they did not expect that and were probably deciding amongst each other what to do
      >look back, they're chasing me now
      >run several blocks until we reach a bus stop with about 8 people
      >slow down a bit, ponder staying for a second, but realize people likely wouldn't help me
      >look back, the pussy ass homosexuals stopped
      >instead of relying on others, keep running to gain even more distance, now they're way behind me, a solid 25-30 meters
      >a cafe, more people
      >consider running in, but it could trap me
      >keep running, then bolt into an alley and hide in a gated apartment complex I knew was open, they didn't know which one
      Did I handle it well?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >>stop, raise my arms to the sides and start saying something along the lines of "come on, guys, there's really no ne-" and bolt mid-word
        nice move

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks, pretty proud of it

          You should have shot them

          I'm the OP, got the pepper spray because of this exact incident, I can''t carry guns

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You should have shot them

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I carry one for work, their efficacy will vary depending on type, clothing, weather, and whether the customer is high on drugs or not.

    Stream liquid is your best multipurpose spray. Cone is easier to hit with but you may get some effect yourself if the conditions are windy. Gel and foam contaminate the surroundings less but that shouldn't be a concern for you.

    When you use one, remember to back off and angle yourself away from a direct route of attack, the effect sometimes comes with a bit of a delay and it gives a determined attacker enough time to really hurt you before the OC bites.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OC spray is the gold standard for non lethal threats, which are more common anyways.
    If someone has a gun on you

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pepper spray if more effective in 99% of self defense scenarios

      nice

      I carry POM pepper spray at work since I cant carry my pistol.
      I also suggest carrying a bright flashlight, at least 1200 lumens and with a strobe feature. it's a good non-lethal option and can pretty effectively blind and disorient threats.
      And of course carry a knife as a last resort if your first two options dont work (if you can in your country)

      I do have a knife, but it's pretty thin and about 6cm in length

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    alright, thanks bros, I'm gonna go sleep

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pepper spray if more effective in 99% of self defense scenarios

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of guns are still illegal in the United States.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I carry POM pepper spray at work since I cant carry my pistol.
    I also suggest carrying a bright flashlight, at least 1200 lumens and with a strobe feature. it's a good non-lethal option and can pretty effectively blind and disorient threats.
    And of course carry a knife as a last resort if your first two options dont work (if you can in your country)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why dont they make pepperspray with an underbarrel 1200 lumen strobe flashlight?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I used to wear a 1300 lumen strobe headlamp to the bar with the intention of fighting drunks in the parking lot. It’s real hard to punch something that you can’t look at lol

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Owning guns is illegal here
    Where is "here"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      somewhere on the eurasian landmass

      specify the country or we don't believe you.

      wdym you won't believe me, moron, that's like every country outside of US
      I guess you can own them with hunting permits, but can't carry
      apparently, getting a hunting permit is a pain in the ass and comes with a number of disadvantages

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >wdym you won't believe me, moron, that's like every country outside of US
        Underage, larping gay.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          frick off schizo

          >Owning guns is illegal here
          what shithole do you live in lmao

          turns out we can, just can't carry them at all

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Austria, Czech republic, Slovakia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Italy, etc. Lots of European countries allow people to carry. Like the other guy said you are a larper.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >not knowing gun laws of specific countries makes you a larper
          How, moron? I'm talking about weapons on a weapons forum. Which part of my post comes off as something unfathomable to you, homosexual?
          Alright, you listed some countries, how does that make me a larper or refute my previous point of the Swiss namegay being "Black personific" by his own metric?

          Oh yay, yet another dumb larp thread.

          another fricking moron

          Why are disgusting foreigners always ashamed of admitting what country they’re from? Especially euros when they go on /k/ and pretend like they have great gun laws, but refuse to say what country.

          I don't want to give my data to glowies, especially considering the size of my country, it'd be pretty easy to pinpoint where this happened
          I never said we had great gun laws, moron, I think they're shit
          What does it matter to you where I'm from? Somewhere on the landmass. I'm not asking you where you're from. Nosy fricker.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I never said we had great gun laws
            Not you specifically, but virtually every euro poor does that on /k/. Still, you’re probably legally moronic if you think glowies don’t know what country you’re posting from.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I was talking about local glowies, I don't give a shit about your glowies
              not just actual glowies, but any nosy data-hogging homosexuals
              I value the limited anonymity I have here
              like the fricking google street view, you can literally see your house on it, shit creeps me the frick out

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    specify the country or we don't believe you.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Watching those russian dashcam videos wet sticky ones are super fricking effective. Even the biggest nastiest guys running on pure hate bend a knee after tasting one of those.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am an american police officer. In my state, we are required to be pepper sprayed (OC) before being able to carry it. Without knowing the concentration of what you have, I'm not certain how effective it would be. It's not a crime or not allowed for non-police to carry the hotter concentrations of OC, but usually anything readily available on the market is a bit tame compared to the law enforcement stuff. I just grabbed the one I carry (https://www.defense-technology.com/product/first-defense-1-3-mk-3-stream-oc-aerosol/), and apparently according to some googling the concentration is the highest stuff before you get to the ones made for bears. So, long story short it depends on the Oleoresin Capsicum (OC) concentration, for how powerful/disabling it will be. Like above states, the bigger the number, the more painful/disabling.

    When I went through an OC application, we were spray across the eyes and bridge of the nose. We had to open our eyes and state how many fingers the instructor was holding up, then do a simulated fight and some exercise. True genetic freaks that are immune to it are incredibly rare, but I think I was able to fight it more than most. Some people couldn't move, tensed up, started freaking out, because the first thing it does is activate an involuntary response for your eyes to shut. I was able to see, very degraded, enough to probably fight for about 10 to 20 seconds, but not with full capabilities. I would be able to draw and shoot a target within ten meters easily, but without a weapon it would be a loss. I can't stress enough that mileage varies with OC spray- I was able to resist it a lot more than my peers but in no way was I operating at anything close to fighting trim. After ten or 20 seconds, can't remember, I had to force one of my eyes open with my fingers to see where I was running. I was also instructed on how to resist, If I would have breathed in for instance, I would be fricked.

    tl;dr It's going to work. stay safe brother

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I see, mine is 1% as opposed to 1.3%, so it should be effective. Thanks bro, should get me out of a sticky situation.

      >Owning guns is illegal here.

      Frick off from this board then Black person.

      Actually, I looked it up, and we're allowed to OWN guns, but not carry them, but it's kinda hard to get a license and cops will routinely come into your house to check your guns for traces of usage
      I looked up Switzerland, and it's the same shit, you can't carry weapons
      so I guess you're quite Black personific yourself in that regard, so I'm staying

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >cops will routinely come into your house to check your guns for traces of usage
        you need the fourth amendment pronto holy crap that's definitely one way to keep the plebs in line and let them know where they stand.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we are required to be pepper sprayed (OC) before being able to carry it
      This is the only correct answer. If you want to see if pepper spray works, best way to find out is test it on yourself. I've gotten sprayed once and while it wasn't the end of the world, I know what it can do from experience.
      > Fricking around in backyard at party, holding a pile of wood for bonfire at my place. Both hands cradling logs
      > Guy is messing with girls keyring, tries the pepper spray on it to test range. Hits me in face, either accidentally or on purpose, from about 15 ft away
      > Immediately close eyes (they hurt, but hurts more to open them). Can't open them for more than a second. Drop logs, friends help me to house.
      I was effectively blinded. Were I trying to fight someone, I'd have only been a danger if I had a firearm (firing nearly blind) or a knife to someone immediately in front of me. I probably could have grappled with someone, assuming I could get a hand on them.
      My takeaway was if I ever needed to use this, spray them while you're still out of their reach, then run away from them, preferably to somewhere busy or prone to trip hazard.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ive been sprayed too. Literally the entire class was able to fight perfectly well for at least a minute. And many of us, myself included, it does nothing at all until you literally get water poured into your face. And about 1/15 are entirely immune. This is why OC spray is not a good alternative for self defense. Sure it is loads better than nothing at all, but all anyone has to do to beat it and then beat you is close their eyes then not rub them. Most lowlifes and criminals are perfectly aware of this.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Swissanon

    >Owning guns is illegal here.

    Frick off from this board then Black person.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    carry an extremely dangerous laser

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wtf is that, did he get blinded by the laser? This is france, isn't it?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is this an actual thing? Can it blind you?

        I think that might have been the Black person riots in 2020. I remember a number of those lasers being used on the guys guarding the federal building and yes they can really frick your eyes up permanently. There used to be some moron either on here or /misc/ who would constantly post how to build them. He either tripgayged or namegayged as laseranon and was a schizo or glowBlack person.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this an actual thing? Can it blind you?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah it can blind you really easily, but doing that against a cop is really stupid.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Great, one more thing to worry about.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just start indiscriminately firing into the crowd with M855A1. Wanna blind me, Black folk are dying

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I will blind you with a UV laser from a DVD burner. Now what?

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You get sent to woman jail over here if you use pepper spray in a fight.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Owning guns is illegal here
    what shithole do you live in lmao

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's an idea:
    Get a can and test it. Spray it against a wall or against a tree kind of close to you.
    Even just from the reflected shit you're gonna quickly realize how much it actually works. Now interpolate times 100 if you consider how much it'd suck to get that in your eyes.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It'll work if your opponent isn't black, on drugs, or mad enough to ignore it

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Got attacked by thugs in a country with sane weapon laws and survived to make a PrepHole post because attackers didn't have guns

    >Better go to a country where the thugs have a right to guns based on some moronic old opinion from a time of muskets that is deadlocked from change!

    Genuinely moron tier conclusion. Gun control saved your life.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is it? Thugs do have guns obtained through illegal means, that's the problem. They always have knives, too. Citizens are not allowed to carry guns to protect themselves.
      It's just these particular ones that didn't have them.
      I hate gambling, I'd rather have the means to defend myself at all times rather than live in fear.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you have a problem with illegal guns, you definitely need to strangle legal guns to nip the supply in the bud. Granted America is an especially gun infested place, but that means you just need to start asap and be thorough. What good is a gun ban in Chicago if the Black person can just drive some kilometers down to Texas and buy a bootful of guns?

        It was basically just pure fricking luck that I escaped. I'm actually not even athletic. I got away because of my quick thinking and the fact that there were people down the street, so I gained some distance between us, this shit was pure luck.
        It's really scary to think about what would've happened if there weren't any people on that street. If I had a gun at that moment (and I'd always carry it), my chances of survival would be much higher, and if I died, I'd die guns blazing instead of meeting an ignoble death of being shanked by a pack of cowards. If I pulled a gun, there's a chance they'd reconsider. This was a VERY dire situation, you have no idea how scary it is. (After the fact, I wasn't scared during the altercation)

        But you survived. Americans will tell you how based guns are, but Americans are dying 7 times as many violent deaths as Euros for a reason. (And there is always a trump cultist with a literal fake news, 100% invented statistic how it's just Black folk)

        Every time you draw a gun you immediately change the scenario into a fight for life or death. The thugs think you're drawing, they're already carrying their guns and will kill you, not for your wallet but to stay alive. They might have killed you yes, but odds are valuables and/or beat down at best. And you still got away.

        /k/ would be full of stories of white Black folk thinking the gun will save them, but let to them being just the victim to another gun armed assailant, or even the police. But they're dead. Your story is the story of a successful gun-free society (though probably a shithole in many other respects. Come to Europe 🙂 )

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't care about potential solutions to theoretical problems, I care about the freedom to defend myself.
          >Every time you draw a gun you immediately change the scenario into a fight for life or death.
          Even IF what you say is true, you say it like it's a bad thing. I do not fear death, it's inevitable, I fear an ignoble, unceremonious, sad, cattle-like kuck herbivore end to my life in an alley, alone, filled with fear, without the means to defend myself. What a dreadful way to go, what an awful end to your life.
          It was already a life-threatening situation, if I die, I die out in the open, taking some of the frickers with me, if I survive, I survive. Again, I prefer to eliminate chance. Live or die on my on terms.
          >Americans are dying 7 times as many violent deaths as Euros for a reason
          I wonder what that reason could be. You don't even need statistics, you need to think.
          >They might have killed you yes, but odds are valuables and/or beat down at best. And you still got away.
          What an absolutely fricking kucked way of thinking, horrifying.
          >Your story is the story of a successful gun-free society
          No, you fricking homosexual kuck, don't you "your story" me, you walking soijak. It was a hunt, and I was prey. My intellect, skills, interests, ideas, achievements, everything pales when confronted with the real, natural order, I'm buck naked. I fully understood what society, civilization and laws are, it's a concrete cage for citizens, you're not really free, it's designed to contain you, but not ones outside of it, they can come and go as they please. You're absolutely defenseless when confronted with people outside of it. No different from sedentary villagers being raided by nomads.
          Firepower evens the playing field for normal citizens, it gives you the right to exercise personal freedom.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >can just drive some kilometers down to Texas
          The fact that you don't even know how far of a drive that is negates any opinion you have on the matter of US gun laws. Stay the frick in your own country.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know and I don't care. It's north south and you're broad (as country and as people) so why does it matter if it's 2 hours or 3 to get easy guns to go criming with? A civilized country removes that option like it removes driving unlicensed and uninsured, or shitting in the middle of town square. Claiming unrestricted rights is the hallmark of being moronic, and especially guns are and never will be a human right because Americans have a medieval tier passage in their constitution that hasn't had it's overdue erasure yet.

            Also on the main subject: I got pepper sprayed because one of my friends was yappy and I got caught in the blast and I was blind pretty immediately and would be no threat to anyone fighting me. Can't see anyone doing shit when actually targeted.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I don't know and I don't care
              So why are you talking about it then?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it's literally irrelevant whether it's 3 or 14 hours. At your fricking snail's pace highway speed which every bus beats here. There's also many wigger shithole states closer to Chicago.

                The point is you need to cherrypick and lie with statistics like "well if you'd remove cities where about half of the population lives we convincingly beat the brownie shitholes again!". Conviently ignoring that if the brownie shitholes did exactly the same, you'd be back to brownie shitholes levels while the civilized white world looks at you like the complete morons you are.

                Your system is a fricking failure. And you c**ts look down on pepper spray because you're driven in your opinion by defending the party line each Ameritard is getting taught from birth to death.

                Pepper spray is at typical ranges absolutely finefor random violent encounters, unless you're a fricking mobster (or defending America against Trump or something) no one's going to fricking try to assassinate you. And even then if you bring a handgun to a rifle fight, you lose either way.

                In close combat, a pepper spray might fail to incapsanicate immediately, but so does a gun. Also close enough doesn't count with a gun, but it *does* with PS.

                The only difference is whether you kill the fricker or incapacitate enough to retreat.

                If you're a 6 feet plus Euro confident in yourrself, you know disengaging is as much as a victory for you as actually staying to fight.

                If you're a 5 feet overweight gay American manlet, you probably care more about pretending to be a real man, so you need to be tough about your gun. But it'll end with you dying in an avoidable firearm like the moron you are.

                Captcha FRICK2A KYS

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I don't know and I don't care.
              Hey moron, you can't buy guns in a state you're not a resident in. The chicago guy would drive 15 hours to reach Texas only to get denied the purchase. Its why they don't do what you claimed they do.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ok i'll bite...

          >you definitely need to strangle legal guns to nip the supply in the bud.

          We have between 250,000-1,000,000 cases of self defense every year and the vast majority of those instances don't involve a gun being fired or anyone being hurt.

          >What good is a gun ban in Chicago if the Black person can just drive some kilometers down to Texas and buy a bootful of guns?

          >drive some kilometers from Chicago to Texas
          Nobody does that, that's at a bare minimum a 14 hour drive. It's 15 hours to the nearest city in Texas. You also will have a very hard time buying a gun in another state because nobody in Texas will sell a gun to someone from Illinois. You'd almost have to buy it illegally anyway, because you'd get background checked.

          >Every time you draw a gun you immediately change the scenario into a fight for life or death. The thugs think you're drawing, they're already carrying their guns and will kill you, not for your wallet but to stay alive. They might have killed you yes, but odds are valuables and/or beat down at best. And you still got away.

          As I stated, most uses of guns in self defense end in the attacker running away.

          You're either trolling or a slave-minded homosexual.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Americans are dying 7 times as many violent deaths as Euros for a reason
          if you discount San Francisco, Chicago, NYC, DC, and a couple other super gun controlled cities, the US violent crime and gun crime rate goes down to 10th percentile in the world.
          The USA is incredibly, unfathomably safe due in no small part to the prevalence of firearms. It's also a cultural thing, with the nation being descended from pioneers, settlers, and patriots who look after others first and themselves second. This has been steadily eroded over the past few decades, but it's no less true for all of that.
          It's the places with the most restrictive gun laws that have the most crime. These places also are not culturally american. They don't abide by the virtues of the constitution, they're barely literate.
          It has been repeatedly proven that relaxing those gun laws results in significantly less crime, this was a massive thing a couple years back in the midwest but has been conveniently forgotten about.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >bootful
          hope you didnt get chinged at the chicken shop by the local roadmen after you made this post.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was basically just pure fricking luck that I escaped. I'm actually not even athletic. I got away because of my quick thinking and the fact that there were people down the street, so I gained some distance between us, this shit was pure luck.
      It's really scary to think about what would've happened if there weren't any people on that street. If I had a gun at that moment (and I'd always carry it), my chances of survival would be much higher, and if I died, I'd die guns blazing instead of meeting an ignoble death of being shanked by a pack of cowards. If I pulled a gun, there's a chance they'd reconsider. This was a VERY dire situation, you have no idea how scary it is. (After the fact, I wasn't scared during the altercation)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Fa5vrwk.png

      [...]
      that's crazy, do you guys have to use it often?
      as for me
      >turn to empty street from a busy central one with crowds of people, 8 PM
      >hear a whistle, look back
      >see a pack of 6-7 homosexuals completely blocking the street I just passed, their leader tried to provoke me and shit test me to see if I was a good target
      >taken aback, mainly because of social awkwardness and not knowing what to say in a situation like this, but not shaken
      >calm and collected throughout the ordeal, wasn't scared, but knew it was a grim situation
      >"Is everything alright, bro?" (starts walking alongside me)
      >"Yeah, man"
      >"That's a confident strut you've got."
      >"It's a normal strut."
      >stepped back, started walking away still looking at them, tried to talk myself out of the situation, tried to appeal to tribalism
      >"I'm not looking for trouble, guys, we're all kin, we don't need to do this"
      >"Are you alright man? Let's go over there (gestures at alley) and talk"
      >I knew that I had to run eventually, but I knew that I had to run NOW, because there was a chance they had backup that could block me from the OTHER side, but I had to take them by surprise to win a couple seconds
      >stop, raise my arms to the sides and start saying something along the lines of "come on, guys, there's really no ne-" and bolt mid-word
      >actually win 5-10 seconds, they did not expect that and were probably deciding amongst each other what to do
      >look back, they're chasing me now
      >run several blocks until we reach a bus stop with about 8 people
      >slow down a bit, ponder staying for a second, but realize people likely wouldn't help me
      >look back, the pussy ass homosexuals stopped
      >instead of relying on others, keep running to gain even more distance, now they're way behind me, a solid 25-30 meters
      >a cafe, more people
      >consider running in, but it could trap me
      >keep running, then bolt into an alley and hide in a gated apartment complex I knew was open, they didn't know which one
      Did I handle it well?

      here's what happened, that bus stop fricking saved my ass

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also, the traffic light was green, I looked at the indicator, and it was like 10 seconds away from turning red, I looked back, and by the time they reached the road, the lights would be red, so I ran faster while it was green, and that also slowed them down
      it was fricked, man, that traffic light timing was fricking godlike

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        one could say that the traffic light was BASED KINO
        SOVLFVL traffic light saves man

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Get attacked and killed in a country with """sane""" weapon laws
      >Can't post because dead, case ignored
      >Get attacked and survive in country with """sane""" weapon laws
      >"SEE?!! SEE!??? GUN CONTROL WORKS!!! AMERICA BAD!!!"
      Frick ya muddah.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you have a problem with illegal guns, you definitely need to strangle legal guns to nip the supply in the bud. Granted America is an especially gun infested place, but that means you just need to start asap and be thorough. What good is a gun ban in Chicago if the Black person can just drive some kilometers down to Texas and buy a bootful of guns?

      [...]
      But you survived. Americans will tell you how based guns are, but Americans are dying 7 times as many violent deaths as Euros for a reason. (And there is always a trump cultist with a literal fake news, 100% invented statistic how it's just Black folk)

      Every time you draw a gun you immediately change the scenario into a fight for life or death. The thugs think you're drawing, they're already carrying their guns and will kill you, not for your wallet but to stay alive. They might have killed you yes, but odds are valuables and/or beat down at best. And you still got away.

      /k/ would be full of stories of white Black folk thinking the gun will save them, but let to them being just the victim to another gun armed assailant, or even the police. But they're dead. Your story is the story of a successful gun-free society (though probably a shithole in many other respects. Come to Europe 🙂 )

      dumb gay.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The largest glaring issues are having the wind blow it back at you and the fact that it doesn't immediately take someone out of the fight.
    The first can be fixed by carrying around the more viscous stuff. The second problem can't really be fixed. It takes a couple seconds for the effects and pain to build up, so if your attacker is aggressive and physically close enough, you'll still have to deal with it for a bit.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm glad we don't have the right to own guns here. I would just put that thing in my fricking mouth and pull the trigger, lmao

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh yay, yet another dumb larp thread.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are disgusting foreigners always ashamed of admitting what country they’re from? Especially euros when they go on /k/ and pretend like they have great gun laws, but refuse to say what country.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pepper spray is illegal in my country. A teenage girl used pepper spray against a rapefugee and was fined for it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/12125645/Danish-girl-who-used-pepper-spray-on-attacker-faces-prosecution.html

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/12125645/Danish-girl-who-used-pepper-spray-on-attacker-faces-prosecution.html

      grim
      you need to get your shit together

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >leaving a train station known for violence
    >see big guy ahead of me get intercepted by gang of rapefugee teens
    >they have knives and bottles
    >randomly robbing people by intimidation
    >one tries to reach into the guy's pocket
    >guy grabs the kid and blasts him in the eyes with pepper spray
    >the whole crowd recoils
    >kid swings the bottle
    >guy grabs him by his mullet and yanks his head back to give him a nice long blast right to the eyes
    >kid is gasping and crying as his friends run
    >guy leans over and gives him a couple more quick blasts when he rolls over in agony
    >walks off
    >whole area is soaked in the spray
    >kid sounds like he's suffocating
    >take the long way around
    >find a few coins on the stairs
    >buy some fresh juice as a treat

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is now a cool OC story thread

      >Be in Corrections
      >watching our resident Giggahomie do his rounds in the camera room with my Lt.
      >I'm actually in trouble, getting yelled at
      >Officer Giggahomie is on camera, on a bi screen between us
      >suddenly we see a scrawny Mexican dude attempt to sucker punch Officer Giggahomie
      >Gigga grabs the top of this dude's head like a basketball
      >guy is windmilling, but is too short to reach Gigga
      >He takes out his OC, shakes it up like he's about to roll some dice
      >unloads the entire can into this shitbag's face
      >at this point we are on our radios trying to get help for Gigga.
      >he didn't need it
      >after dosing El Goblino with spicy air he pushed him
      >the dude stumbled down a hall
      >on a separate camera we saw him roll down a set of stairs
      >he went so fast we saw his body bounce when he hit the concrete at the bottom.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The few jail guards I knew used to love it when inmates started shit. There are exceptions though, my uncle told me this one
        >small female jailguard goes into block with known troublemakers
        >she's with another guard and they're doing a safety inspection around the wing
        >other guard saunters off, female guard now alone
        >scrawny tweaker grabs her by the hair and puts her into a chokehold
        >starts screaming that he wants cigarettes
        >won't release her till he gets some smokes
        >my uncle sees this on camera
        >he's 240lbs, 6'3, ripped but slightly fat
        >this particular jail takes hostage situations very seriously, even basic ones like this
        >they all suit up with riot gear, nightsticks, gas masks, mace spray
        >go in
        >tweaker still screaming
        >there's normally a whole procedure for hostages
        >but my uncle is so mad
        >literally fumin that this homosexual is abusing their smallest guard
        >breaks rank
        >basically just crashes into them and pushes them both over
        >wrestles her away and to safety
        >then begins beating the absolute shit out of this tweaker
        >smashes him in the left arm with night stick, with an audible crack
        >drops it
        >then repeated face punches
        >then chokehold till he almost lost consciousness
        >other guards watch for about 20 seconds in awe then pull him off
        >tweaker spent 8 days in the hospital
        >tweaker declined pressing charges because apparently the female guard also had a mild injury and he didn't want to get fricked with assault on an officer
        My uncle says he still has the video somewhere on tape, this was in the mid 90s and he never got in trouble for it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        kino

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cool and good

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OC spray depends on determination
    If someone thinks your an easy mark and you spray them they will probably frick off
    If you fricked someone's wife and he's coming at you with a bat you are better off running

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pepper spray
    I carry a box of spiders with my in my backpack. Been doing this for several years since I started living in a bad neighborhood. I’m a really nice guy so people think I’m an easy target. Every time a street gang comes up to me while I’m walking to work and back and tries to assault me I stay calm and collected with a smile on my face. Then I throw my box of spiders at them. They get covered in spiders. Some are venomous, some are not, idc. I collect them from my basement where I let them breed. No weapon in the world is as effective as hundreds of spiders crawling all over a person. The screams those thugs make brings a smile to my face.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you can get a gun you can carry a gun. Who's going to know?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, if cops check you, you're fricked

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Since most risky stuff happens at night with almost no police presence, nobody will actually notice tbh, just take a look to most felonies that end up with dead ends, most of the ones getting caught were because of doing crimes like stealing, were surveillance is usually present, at least with CCTV. Also most thieves are massive morons, the good ones either make several big hits until they get caught because they brought a lot of heat into them, or simply never do.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is CS spray as good or should I get pepper spray?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is there a difference? That's the same shit, no?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        CS and CN are tear gases, OC is a natural concentrate. Tear gas is more useful for crowd control, it's not designed to incapacitate.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bear sprayed myself while on a hike like a fricking moron, thankfully it's far weaker than proper OC, but holy shit it hurt. The urge to rub my eyes was intense. I'm positive I'd have been on the ground for a few minutes if it was anything stronger. Thankfully I was able to walk home while dumping water in my eyes.
    >how'd you do that moron
    I wanted to sprint up a hill. I was swinging my arms like a moron, bearspray was on chest, knocked off the safety cap, gave my mug a second's worth of spray.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's fricking hilarious, man

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Thinking about moving to the US one day so I can actually defend myself.
    You have to move to accomplish this?

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've got a friend that does pepper spray training for the FBI. he says some people are only marginally affected by it and other people totally freak out and are entirely incapacitated. just depends.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should I shake up my can from time to time?

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My city is well known for having high wind a lot of days. I wouldn't buy that, don't want it selfsprayed in my face.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You have to get the actual police brand in gel form called Sabre red.

    I do deliveries so it's ultimately necessary for me. But I still use jeans just in case he gets a surprise bite on me. I think it would be really awkward to spray a customers dog though lol.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gel doesn't offer any additional benefits aside from being less susceptible to wind because the spray is more viscous. Gel and foam spray types exist because they contaminate the surroundings less, not because they're somehow more effective.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't it stick to the assailants face better though?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, and it seems to give more incentive for the target to actually touch his face and spread it a round

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Jonathan Trismegistus

    Just make your own lol. The only cons is if you are caught with one they’ll put you in the slammer.

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  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    let me put it like this, if i was mad, and i wanted to hurt you, i could fight through the pain and still hurt you.
    OC spray only works to make someone thats about to fight not fight, if someone wants to beat you then the little ouchie on their face isnt doing much, plus theyre probably on drugs that make them not even feel it at all.
    if youre gonna mace someone do it and run because it will just piss them off more

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