Over a hundred years ago a single European country could produce 36 million artillery shells a year.
Over a hundred years ago a single European country could produce 36 million artillery shells a year.
Over a hundred years ago a single European country could produce 36 million artillery shells a year.
yeah, but they made very little else.
36m worthless pieces of shit that in 2024 will kill more friendlies than enemies due to shit range, shit accuracy and shit handling safety.
The Winchester white box of artillery.
>total war economy
It's hard enough getting western politicians to take this seriously already, imagine telling them they can't buy a new truck for 5 years because Ford and GM are making shells now.
>please just frick up my economy again
Lol, forget that, imagine having to implement a rationing policy due to the fact that scarce materials will be needed for the war effort.
Like, imagine your average 21st century burger's face when the government says you can only buy x gallons of gasoline or use x kilowatt hours of electricity, or even just being limited to x pounds of coffee, sugar, cloth, meat, ect. There'd be riots in the streets.
and rightly so.
we are violently opposed to having our lives altered and our prosperity stolen for the benefit of arms producers and political adventurers.
If the rest of you moronic subhumans would get with the programs you could all be as rich as us. But no, keep pouring your modest wealth into weapons to try and rob your neighbors so your rulers can be slightly less poor and feel tough after.
tell me what good does 36 million artillery shells do the population of the country that made them? such capability for destruction is only useful if you are planning to invade someone.
Why can't Ukraine go full war economy?
It has none.
t. Ukie
You can only go full war economy if
1) you have enough strategic gold reserves to pay everyone
2) someone is willing to lend you the hundreds of billions required to pay everyone
They are already doing war bonds which is the best option failing 1 & 2.
their current economy + Western gibs is a lot more stable and probably effective than producing some ungodly amount of WW1 shells
It didn't have an economy to begin with. At least russhits have oil money to buy junk from Iran and North Korea, ukraine has nothing.
day got dem graynz
why would they? they've functionally halted russian advance without one
Ukraine is trying to win not achieve some kind of Korean armistice thing
Then they need to go after the Russian Military Industrial Complex. Destroy it all, systematically, with planted bombs.
Russia cannot fight a war without a murder machine.
The fricking israelites want the white man to die and pay the tab for their bullshit.
They were farmers and programmers, not much industry.
because they dont have the factories
or the skill
or the labor
its slower and more expensive to build it NOW than it is to just "buy" it from others who already have all of that shit set up and just need to increase capacity.
oh right and anything they build will just be bombed
why even bother
japan and germany were able to keep industry going while being carpet bombed, occasional cruise missile waves won't be able to shut much down for long
They effectively are.
>It will add to this year's budget funding for the security and defence sector of 1.67 trillion hryvnias, which accounts for 26.6% of GDP.
Partly the lack of existing economy to convert to wartime production, partly the amount of harassment large concentrations of industry receive from rockets.
I've seen Red Dawn I know what happens if Europe lets America down again.
Why are Russians so obsessed with shell quotas. The west isn’t in total war mode, shit is normal here and we aren’t conscripting anybody. Nor should we
Nothing is normal after 2020.
Name a former soviet state that has unfricked themselves without foreign investment.
The reason the EU does gibs is because it pays off in the long term, Poland was fully dependent on gibs for years.
>Name a former soviet state that has unfricked themselves
I can't. Capitalism is cancer.
I know right, look at all the immigrants Russia is getting form investing directly into Africa.
I'm sure they'll be "thrilled" when Putin conscripts them to die in his stupid war.
They are Putin's immigrants on Putin's plant to use Putin's tanks to take Putin's Ukraine.
When we defeat Russia, its Fembois will be ours!
Yes, replacement immigration is terrible and only happens when the general population are too poor to be raising several kids.
The goal of any society should be the people on the median income having paid off their house in their early 20s so they have plenty of time to have lots of kids.
This is something both the west and east are failing at.
Because Russians, being Russians, rape. The last thing you'll ever hear a Russian say is this:
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/e72f14a9-c0e8-48ec-a995-e1fccef18e48
might wanna crop that part out, vanya, ukraine had visa-free travel with europe for quite a while
Didn't Russia criminalize trying to leave the country to escape joining the genocidal war?
Post-script: Picture needs washing machine and vodka.
Lots have been taken, lots have been given.
When fighting a defensive war against a much stronger nation you would have to be a special kind of c**t to tell your countrymen going to the front they can't have your car because while they can fight and die in the trenches you can't get your shopping in a wheelbarrow.
Honestly you could convert a lot of civilian vehicles to Technicals.
They won't get conscripted into any moronic invasions if they're not ruled from moscow
>mindbroken vatnik cannot fathom a life without servitude
Lower aids rates, lower rates of male rape, actual democracy where the opposition doesn't get arrested for running...
>being conscripted to defend your nation is the same as being conscripted to invade another country
We got footage of Russians dragging people away? I remember seeing a video where that happened but don't remember where I saved it.
>russia isn’t defending itself even doe russian land (kherson) is currently occupied by hohols
Yes and Americans got arrested for fleeing to Canada when Vietnam conscription was happening.
It's not good but necessary when invaded, it's not good and unnecessary when invading someone else.
They went to the front because their entire nation is in danger of being exterminated.
Russia's aim is to annihilate Ukraine, in its entirety. It is the culmination of centuries of oppression.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine
This way, they only have to go to the front if their country is the current chimpout target. If they were part of Russia, they'd get dragged along to every chimpout.
All aboard the mobik train, hurry up and don't be late.
And Russia isn't a corrupt petrostate run by obligarch mafiosos?
yes but ukraine isnt laundering money
if i could put quarters into my laundry machine and get dead russians out of it each cycle, id be getting a shitload more quarters every time i went to the grocery store
Does Ukraine send its troops on meat-wave charges?
the whole 'resistance is futile' schtick doesn't really work after getting stalemated for two years
why would we do that? you understand this war is functionally free for us right?
hell, it actually goes straight into my defense contractor pockets
kind of funny that the new vatnik cope is 'america will save us from the nazis again'
Ukrainians know the Russians plan to exterminate them. You call them worms on a dog.
Russia's plan for Ukraine mirror the Final Solution/"Breathing Room" of Nazi Germany.
>As for the former union republics of the USSR situated within Europe, they all, in Dugin's view, (with the exception of Estonia) should be absorbed by Eurasia-Russia. "Belorussia," Dugin asserts flatly, "should be seen as a part of Russia" (377). In similar fashion, Moldova is seen as a part of what Dugin calls "the Russian South" (343).
On the key question of Ukraine, Dugin underlines: "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning. It has no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness" (377). "Ukraine as an independent state with certain territorial ambitions," he warns, "represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics" (348). And he adds that, "[T]he independent existence of Ukraine (especially within its present borders) can make sense only as a 'sanitary cordon'" (379). However, as we have seen, for Dugin all such "sanitary cordons" are inadmissible.
See /k/? Russia clearly intends to conquer a ton of Europe.
Do you seriously think we'll allow Ukraine to fall without a military intervention?
The West will have a real war sooner or later. Over what? Who knows? Maybe we'll declare war over climate change or something.
It's more a history of Russia abusing the Ukies nonstop for centuries.
Ukraine is long overdue to mass-slaughter the Russian hordes.
Being able to remove all your inconveniences is proof of strength. Thirdies only endure those problems because they are too dumb/weak to do anything about it.
you're right. we've grown decadent and incapable of fighting back. why don't you try scratching us and seeing if we crumble. that sounds like a good idea
The fact that someone made this and then was so proud they had to tag it is probably one of the most embarrassing things I've seen in a very long time.
Will Russia kindly please die already?
I doubt GM vehicles will go out of stock anytime soon seeing how they cost 50k and up along with every dealership having HUNDREDS of brand new vehicles in stock.
No one is buying new cars anymore because no one needs them, not that they could afford them to begin with. Furthermore all new model vehicles are actual shit, planned obsolescence and poorly designed disposable crap that goes critical fubar before hitting 100k miles.
>Please ignore the Shell Crisis of 1914 and 1915
Yeah, because they were constantly throwing them at each other over the dumbest shit.
>36 million artillery shells a year.
Yes and all they did with them was put holes in fields.
nah
- today they put holes in fields
100 yrs ago they put holes on holes so long that they created moonscape
Cool. Today a million western shells fired by western artillery systems are worth more in combat than 100 million shells were a century ago.
Average artillery caliber in WW1 was between 75 and 80 mil.
The weight of a typical 75mm shell is 4.4kg
The weight of a typical 155mm shell is 46kg.
Divide the 36 by ten and you get a much more comparable number.
Then consider the fact that ammunition production goes pretty much one to one with energy consumption, and european countries ran out of cheap coal, oil and gas or colonies to get those from for free.