Opinion on the Su-22? It looks cool but how did it perform?

Opinion on the Su-22? It looks cool but how did it perform?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >jamie, pull up that meme

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i dont like it aesthetically, fuselage of a mig 21 but mig 15 bis wings. i think it was an air to ground aircraft but has the fuselage of a fast supersonic ac. it looks deformed and ugly

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >how did it perform?
    Like shit.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw you will never conduct low level tactical nuclear strikes during the invasion of Denmark

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Su-17 undefeated? It's not on the picture.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not really fair comparison because many of the Soviet planes were flown by arabs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, the F-15/F-16 ratio is pretty much entirely from the Syrian air force getting massacred by the IDF. But not only was it not a fair fight (Syrian equipment was outdated) but the israelites have always held significantly better ratios than Americans using their hardware, or other allies.

        The F-14 was downed by MiGs, including a MiG-21, showing no hardware advantage can overcome a bad pilot versus a good one.

        Some Iraqi and Vietnamese aces pulled of some impressive shit in MiG fighters.

        Also, the F-5 isn't included, which has a not wonderful record. Iraqi pilots had good success vs those and F-4s.

        Nor is the F-100 series included, which would shift the image considerably.

        The F-104 killed more NATO pilots than any MiG or Su though, lol.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Almost all of the F-14 kills are from Iranian pilots.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Iraqi pilots had good success vs those and F-4s.

          Eyerack....Eyerann...whats the difference?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Monkey Model theory has been thoroughly disproven by the last couple years of war in Ukraine. Russia is Nigeria with snow and their combat performance reflects that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Arabs were and still are better pilots.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Egyptians notoriously were privately celebrating Soviet pilots getting rekt at Rimon 20 since they were making all the basic mistakes Egypt long learnt from yet were still acting as if they were superior.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >muh arab pilot cope
        yeah

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >mig-21MFs
          >MFs
          They had to laugh a little bit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Arab air crew are equal in talent to Russian air crew, and this is a well-understood fact.
        See

        https://i.imgur.com/wZVBVX5.jpg

        >muh arab pilot cope
        yeah

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Not really fair comparison because many of the Soviet planes were flown by arabs
        Im not convinced anymore that Soviet pilots were much better

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Soviets shot down 1.5 F-4s for no losses a few days after Ramon 20, the main problem with the Syrians is for all of their combat experience they never got any better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Those mig-23 numbers are so bad because of the export variants. Older shitty radar that couldn't multi lock or even track more than 3 or 4 targets and absolutely critical, no radar warning receivers. Arab pilots weren't dumb they just had no idea they were dead until it was too late. The MLD vs all earlier versions were completely different planes. IRST,full countermeasures, better radar and RWR.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >e MLD vs all earlier versions were completely different planes. IRST,full countermeasures, better radar and RWR.
        >IRST
        soviet IRST is useless

        >RWR
        soviet RWR is useless

        >full countermeasures
        useless without RWR

        >better radar
        It was ok, but dont expect ok fighter radar of that time provide enough situational awareness without AWACs and its useless when you are dead

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the MLD is also literally one month older than the Su-27's service entry date so it's not exactly impressive

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Those mig-23 numbers are so bad because of the export variants
        While MiG-23 export versions were obviously worse, the numbers are inflated a bit by a lot of the Arab MiG-23s being ground attack (cheapo MiG-27s) versions without a2a radars. Not that countings just MiG-23Ms would give a positive kill rate though.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why did the US never pay much attention to long-range A2A missiles? The Phoenix is the only one I can think of, meanwhile the Soviets started yeeting telephione-pole sized missiles from fighters in the '70s and kept developing them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >meanwhile the Soviets started yeeting telephione-pole sized missiles from fighters in the '70s and kept developing them
      R-40, R-33, and I guess you can count R-27ER are really the extent of the ones they had back then, and two of them were only on specialized interceptors
      since the US was able to put the AMRAAM on basically everything after 1991 I guess it was good enough until the last decade or so

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The Phoenix is the only one I can think of, meanwhile the Soviets started yeeting telephione-pole sized missiles from fighters in the '70s and kept developing them.
      US medium-range missiles were typically longer ranged than soviet telephone-pole sized ones. The reason for such bloat in soviet missiles is their inability to make good seekers and engines, resulting in the frickhuge size. Not that it helped much, soviet radar guided missiles were incredible garbage and none of them worked better than US sparrows did in Vietnam, with the exception of the R-40RD, which had an inverse monopulse seeker and worked somewhat okay, even if this otherwise 2x as big missiles had less range(not to mention agility) than the contemporary Sparrow.

      Those mig-23 numbers are so bad because of the export variants. Older shitty radar that couldn't multi lock or even track more than 3 or 4 targets and absolutely critical, no radar warning receivers. Arab pilots weren't dumb they just had no idea they were dead until it was too late. The MLD vs all earlier versions were completely different planes. IRST,full countermeasures, better radar and RWR.

      >Those mig-23 numbers are so bad because of the export variants
      Mig-23 was an all round disaster. The soviet air force wanted to dump it entirely in favor of just making more Mig-21's but got forced it onto them by the soviet MIC.
      >Older shitty radar that couldn't multi lock or even track more than 3 or 4 targets
      No soviet radar except the one on the Mig-31 could track multiple targets while locked onto something, in other words had track while scan. Mig-23 didn't have look-down shoot down capability either, even a rudimentary one that hardly ever worked like the one on the Mig-29.

      Mig-23MLD is the only one that didn't actively try to kill its pilots by going into unrecoverable deathspins.

      the MLD is also literally one month older than the Su-27's service entry date so it's not exactly impressive

      You're confusing it with the Mig-29. Su-27 was adopted officially in 1985 so a few years older, if you can consider a 4th gen without a working radar fit for service.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    high speed and low visibility from wienerpit...
    seems like ideal CAS plane

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    fewer accidents than F-35 for sure.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      lmao
      >The Soviets supplied the communist government of Angola with 12 Su-20Ms in 1982 or 1983, which formed the basis of the 15th FS. The squadron suffered a swift loss of at least six aircraft – most in mishaps – by 1985, and three more by 1988, and had only two aircraft left when it was reinforced with batch of 14 Su-22M-4Ks and two Su-22UM-3Ks in 1989–90

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like how it has the Purina dog chow logo all over it.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only movie it’s ever been in was XXX with Vin Diesel

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I used to watch a lot of history channel shows growing up, they liked to say good things about adversary aircraft to explain the moggings. They never said anything good about the Su-22. Perfo

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