Found an old british mills bomb in a storage unit. The fact the pin is replaced by a nail and the screw for the filament is staked by a punch or something similar makes me think it is a dud, thoughts/opinions?
OP gonna die to a 100 year old grenade LOL
only one way to find out
EODgay
[Not foneposting today so clearer view]
Actually not a WW2 No 36M, from the baseplug (wider and centrally threaded for a rod) plus faint marking on edge its a WW1 No.5 the original model 'Mills bomb')
All the same safety advice applies, except it will be Ammonal not Baritol - TNT/Ammonium Nitrate mix.
No5, No23 and No36 are basically just minor changes in design. No5 used a rod to stick down the barrel of a .303 LeeEnfield to become a rifle-grenade with the lever held in by a round clip on the bayonet, No36 had a screw-in flat disc baseplate for fitting inside a cup discharger clipped to the rifle - more secure, less barrel damage, and made it more stable as a souvenir desk ornament after the war.
Cook it
Yeah
I like to imagine somebody dropped the pin and had to walk a mile cupping the thing before they found a nail on the ground to stick back into it.
The detonator is, usually a chemical thing that tends to degrade with time. Id wager it wont explode wo some help, so go and toss it in a fire or smthng
Microwave it
My digits confirm you must, check em.
shit. aw well, you live for today OP
It's not worth it, bro. Just call the cops
Don't listen to him. Throw it in toilet and wait for epic fountain
What the hell happened here?
In the literal sense, or the Moskva sense?
Literal sense. I would never wish death upon another person unless he is a russian soldier or russian politician. Usually.
>What the hell happened here?
Looks like a ski-lift for miners.
Protip: you don't want to be on it when you reach the bottom.
>What the hell happened here?
The tunnel is strongly slanted and these chink miners use a ski lift to get to the surface when the sky lift engine fails and there is no safety pawl to prevent the lift going backwards driven by the weight of the passengers.
"Sorry, your safety isn't worth the $4700 the pawl would cost."
Knowing China there was the budget for it, but instead the shittiest one was bought and the difference was pocketed.
>Runs runs to the aid of his fellow worker
now that is something rare out of these videos from china. But I guess there is more camaraderie between fellow miners than random people walking in a city.
Put it on a shelf and leave it there without informing anyone of it.
What is this a chink demonstrating empathy for his fellow men?
I guess mining communities everywhere are true communities.
when mining accidents happen the people who come to rescue you are going to be your coworkers
that breeds comaraderie pretty fast
The dude is obviously running to the "safe" side of the tunnel. Look above him, a wire, and probably dangerous shit attached to hit out of view of the camera. Look at the reflective strips on the curbs which block a majority of the of the width of the tunnel except that small area to the side. Probably dangerous shit up hill that could slide down during an accident.
Implessive
Are they going up and the down is gravity?
are you fricking high my man?
Damn. I want to see the footage from the bottom of that shaft.
I've got some footage of my shaft if you're interested.
Bit late but here you go
When ever I feel down I look at Chinese security cameras and I realize that my life isn't that bad
Yup, it's important to maintain perspective.
that first guy definately had his spine split in half holy frick.
Maybe the life lesson is to not be the first or last guy to be seated.
the life lesson is that in a rollback event you get the frick off the chair
They were all tied in with harnesses (probably due to some previous accident) so only a lucky few were able to detach in time
Ok John Wick-anon.
I don't see the problem. Looks easily survivable except for the first guy probably has some broken vertebra
Thank you PRC WHS Dept
Damn guy who fell early got off easy.
O u c h
Are industrial accidents just more common in China?
They have 5x the population of the US, the majority of industry on Earth, and they don’t have a Puritanical notion that everybody needs to pretend that death doesn’t happen.
That last part really made your post sound like cope.
they don't have a puritanical notion that heavy machinery needs maintenance
They have 28.7%, not a majority. However it's more than US + Japan + Germany which is still most implessive.
28.7 is not greater than 29.6
Well spotted, thanks.
It's shrinking though
>and they don’t have a Puritanical notion that everybody needs to pretend that death doesn’t happen
That seems like a really shitty excuse for having poor work safety.
You had me at the start but lost me at the cope
Looks like the mine was still hungry.
If dubs OP exploded.
rolling
adios
if dubs OP survives this ordeal and returns home on his own power.
OP won
You welded that back didn’t ya
If I can toss this mortar UXO around (which is 50/50 a training round or white phosphorus) and walk away, you'll be fine. Ave Nex Alea.
Buddy in the Air Force who builds bombs for living says the Brown band above the 98MM indicates a live motor and the hue of light blue is the exact same that they use for their live white phos bombs. I trust his judgement, im only a rando on the internet but be careful with that thing.
For clarification, it was Polish and I found it in 2020. Pic related is from the thread I made to ID the thing, got no response from the manufacturer via email
EODgay
Brown band is low explosive - yeah for an airforce bombhanger, in a missile that can be a rocket motor with no explosive warhead, or like here it means the mortar bomb has an ejection charge to throw out the smoke package, or sometimes it kicks out a parachute flare, propaganda leaflets, or anti-radar chaff etc etc.
The "blue" is Eau-de-Nil a shit-green that is french for 'water of the Nile River' (frick being Egyptian and drinking that) that signifies Chemical fill instead of HE - not always 'toxic chemical gas weapons' here it just means burning smoke, or it can be WP smoke or non-toxic chemicals like CS 'teargas' dust.
EODgay
Polish 98mm mortar round - only the top half, the base and tail-fin have separated.
So, it has been fired and the fuze has functioned.
The Brown Ring is 'Low explosive' the ejecting charge to kick out the contents through the open rear after it pops the tailfin off.
So, yeah, drop it all you want, its an empty fired carrier body.
Gotta love it when morons camo their faces like theyre Seals inna Nam jungle but their hands are glowing white and their shirts have 'shoot me here' colored patches everywhere, while set up in an empty field.
I assume face painting and practicing with it on is actual training that someone might find worth doing repeatedly during training, whereas "put on gloves" and "where this non-training uniform without the bright patches" doesn't require anything special?
correct. every time you put on face paint is an opportunity to practice it but if adding the whole repertoire isn't relevant to the task at hand it isn't done. putting paint all over your hands just makes you dirty your shit up more, adds more time cleaning that could be used better (usually cleaning something else). anon's gotta get his neverserved dunks in though.
is a monster energy can some sort of new unit of measurement now
high chance of timing fuse deteoriating. Your 5 second fuse can go out in second or less.
T. conscript combat engineer
Poccии?
finnish
Ah, my bad. I'm a filthy burger and was guessing.
Any reports of explosions?
Put it up for now. Still conflicted b/w calling local EOD and just taking it innawoods and testing it myself with the nade tied to a tree and the pin tied on string and pulling it to see what happens.
Post photo of grenade and start using a tripcode.
See if you can unscrew the filler plug. Get a big slotted screwdriver and see if it'll turn
Godspeed, OP. More pics.
Hit it with a hammer 😀
OP is kill
EODgay
If the base plug is threaded all the way in, it doesnt have a detonator set in it.
The Gren No.36M was stored with the Det Sets in a separate storage tin and armed after being issued.
So 99% of souvenir bringbacks after WW2 they were at least smart enough not to leave the Det in their new desk ornament.
It may still have HE (Baritol - a mix of TNT and Barium nitrate) in the main body but it wonr explode without the Det unless you cook it in a fire.
Some guys melted out the HE in an oil-bath for souvenirs, but it usually still left a layer of crystallized TNT on the inner surfaces.
>if you can see threads at the base plug = no Det
Pic rel, this example is screwed fully in as it doesnt have the fuze between the Det and the primer block, like the complete Det Set shown beside it, the curve of fuze stops it threading all the way back in
>It may still have HE (Baritol - a mix of TNT and Barium nitrate) in the main body but it wonr explode without the Det unless you cook it in a fire.
>Some guys melted out the HE in an oil-bath for souvenirs, but it usually still left a layer of crystallized TNT on the inner surfaces.
So they got 99% of the way there but basically left the impact sensitive shit? How bad is that little layer? Not OP but curious how dangerous that shit is. Also, do you have similar info for pineapple grenades? I've seen some in person that I suspect were demilled (rusty, little paint left, looks like a bringback) that I didn't dare touch. Other than seeing "RFX" on them or not, I have no way of knowing what's live and what's not.
EODgay
Yeah, TNT crystals are more sensitive - especially for morons who try to unscrew the filler plug (the one up on the top shoulder) but theres usually not enough left to cause more than maybe losing a finger or flashburns, not fragmenting the whole body apart.
Mk2s - the early WW2 and before were filled with basically shotgun propellant, so guys could just unscrew the fuze, throw it seperately, pour out the powder and reassemble the bits into a safe souvenir.
The late-war grenades were cast poured TNT, so again some guys knew enough to melt it out (TNT melts pretty easily and can be done in a saucepan of motor oil) to leave a similar crystal problem. Some will still be full of TNT.
Again, hopefully they took the fuze out back before everything aged and became unstable, threw the fuze to fure the detonator, and reassembled it.
The cast markings on the squares of the pineapple are just maker's marks of the factory that cast it, it says nothing about what was put inside later, or whether it is still full or not.
Lemons - Vietnam era M26s, you cant get the HE out easily as its sealed inside the tinplate outer body, the frag coil spring, and another tinplate innerbody layer, and its a sealed fuzewell underneath the fuze - so unless its a castiron blue training M30 with the hole in the base for the plug, its likely to be 100% live HE TNT.
***If you find one without the lever - either 36M or Mk2 or M26 or anything similar - if the lever and pin are gone, its a "dud" BUT that doesn't make it safe - the opposite as it means the detonator, HE fill and the primer that the striker hit but didnt fire are all still live. And now 80years later theyre all unstable due to age - theyre "dont frick with it, call EOD"
EODgay
If you do manage to open a filler plug or take the fuze off a Mk2 and it still has crystals.
Wash it out with acetone - the TNT will dissolve in acetone. Throw the liquid onto a fire, it will flash slightly brighter than clean acetone but nothing spectacular, but now you have a safely cleaned souvenir.
Thanks anon. I was more curious about the American ones as that's what I see here unlike OP but that still answers my question with what I thought was the case, basically "hopefully it was emptied by someone at some point" and there's no way to be sure unless the fuze is unscrewed. If it isn't, you might set it off unscrewing it because age and crystallized explosive.
Doesn't the nitroglycerin that crystalizes from TNT have a really short shelf life?
I recall hearing that old TNT boxes found in mines were more or less inert due to this.
Those mostly come from the 1800s however, so would a grenade manufactured for WW2 have been around long enough to go through the same process?
>nitroglycerin that crystalizes from TNT
You are thinking about dynamite.
>You are thinking about dynamite.
>Until now, I wasn't aware they were a different thing
I see asking questions was a good idea, as I am evidently well out of my depth on this subject.
Different anon, but to add to that, I always heard they were MORE dangerous now since the nitroglycerin sweated out of the sticks and now made all the sticks even MORE impact sensitive. I've never heard the part where they were "inert now".
I’ve heard it as well, that once enough of the nitro sweats out, all that’s left in the sticks is inert filler
EODgay
If the NG 'sweats' out as liquid droplets, they are more sensitive. Thats why gelignite and dynamites were a safer way to carry and use than liquid NG.
Similarly if dynamite etc frezes, the NG can liquify out as it thaws, hence old warnings about frozen dynamite.
>Doesn't the nitroglycerin that crystalizes from TNT have a really short shelf life?
You mean dynamite, and yes nitro-glycerine does degrade over months or several years but the rate depends on light exposure, moisture absorption and temperature variation so if it's been in a nice cool dry dark mine it might be wise to leave it alone just in case.
EODgay
TNT is tri-nitro-toluene, it isnt NG nitro-glycerine, two completely different chemical compounds with different properties.
TNT is chemically stable even after a dentury, it just changes forms from solid waxy to liquid like cream to small crystals, all are still TNT and still explosive.
Old nitroglycerine boxes, the NG was stored as liquid in glass bottles in sawdust packing to absorb leaks, or later Gelignite was NG soaked into keiselguhr (the absorbent dirt used now as kitty litter), and in both types any liquid NG soaks into the wood of the box and dilutes. They arent usable as an explosive but they will burn brighter than normal wood.
EODgay
Correction - NG in kittylitter was dynamite, NG in guncotton (nitro-cellulose) was gelignite 'gelled NG mix' - extra explosive effect from the guncotton and less likely to sweat out of the kittylitter by forming a gel.
I should add that I know that lemon and pineapple grenades have open bottoms if inert (repro), but let's, for argument's sake, say I can't see the bottom or it's filled. I've seen some WWII collections for sale where they're mixed in. I've heard people say that pineapple bodies did make their way out of the factories (not filled) and kids used to play with them, so maybe those got surplussed at some point as well, but I think I'd even be nervous even just unscrewing the fuse for a quick look!
I haven't seen any that I've questioned for a while, but sometimes you see a slightly rusty one in a glass display case with some old knives and junk that really makes you question whether it's really inert or not.
There are also shit cast replicas with solid bases.
Mainly made in Phillipines and exported as those joke "Take a number" paperweights.
You can pick them as theyre rough castings compared to WW2 quality and often the threaded hole at the top for the fuze is off-center.
Similarly they do fake cast M26s with solid bases wgen M26s were never cast bodies, only the practice cersion with the hole was cast, and an inert practice throwing version was cast with a closed base but they have holes drilled in the sides to make them unusable even for the practice charge bags.
Interesting, thanks anon.
Not sure if you are trolling or not - but BLUE is the color of safe/dummy/inert devices.
No, not trolling; I was commenting more on the real grenades and their explosives/sensitivity and what kind of risk there is handling an unknown grenade when I was thanking him. Blue is training, I know that, but even (real) training grenades, etc. can have some small explosive charge in them IIRC since they use it to show that it would've gone off as a visual aid, which will just make a puff of smoke and flash come out the hole in the base. IIRC in his pic, the fuse on the left is a real training fuse, but sold pre-detonated; mine with a commercial fake body (same as in his pic) has that fuse and it's peeled back (from whatever explosive it once contained) if you unscrew it to see the tip of the fuse inside. I actually didn't know the one inert display grenade I had, the lemon, actually had the wrong spoon until now, as well.
Good point - I was thinking this was a troll image trying to get someone injured. You bring up good points anon
The image shows two; the one on the left is a commercial "grenade" from about the 90s, something you'd see in a surplus store. Real training fuse (used, exploded), fake shoddily cast and painted commercial body. All the parts from the fuse are removed like the hammer/striker assembly and springs. The right is (AFAIK) a real military training grenade, but probably also has an explosive training fuse. Not that either can do the same damage as a real grenade even if the fuse were live; IIRC both have a pretty small amount of explosive just as a visual/auditory aid. Not something you'd want to hold in your hand but not something that would cause the body to fragment and be a serious safety concern. I am not sure about what the contents of the body of the training grenade are, however. That may pose much more danger.
And as added info, the modern commercial cast "grenades" are even less convincing. Way worse casting, more grinding marks, not even painted, weird green color spoon/fuse, fuse is cast. Kinda lame when you have to get some olive OD green paint and paint them yourself and you still see the shitty sanding marks.
good posting
>If you didn't drop it, don't pick it up
So how did this play out?
de-pin and thrower innashitter
smash it with a hammer
Put it in the microwave, dingaling
i swear this shit happens way too much on here
That kid in south america blew himself up.
He posted a pic on /b/ of finding a live grenade. So /b/ basically said it was fake and to pull the pin and toss it into a toilet.
Kid followed instructions. And later on someone posted a news article of a home with blown up bathroom with one fatality.
recent one last month Indiana family was cleaning out grandad's attic after he died. someone pulled the pin had 1 death.