You will lose the war without an alternative, the war on the outcome of which depends on whether your rotten global empire and your metropolis, which is falling apart into hundreds of principalities at war with each other, will exist.
Why are you pissing off your winner who will determine how terrible your future will be? Do you want us to send weapons instead of food and doctors?
I was responding to that crazy LGBT Nazi who is trying to piss off the Russians, those from whose good will the extent of the bloody events in the west will be traced.
Blow some stuff up, idk. They should absolutely send more, though. Only 4 isn’t war-winning or even remotely impactful, no matter how well they perform.
>Only 4 isn’t war-winning or even remotely impactful, no matter how well they perform.
If they keep blowing up a couple ammo depots a day then the impact will be immense.
If they have endless ammo. And target data. They can put 90kg of explosives within 3meters on 1000 targets per day.
Even if they just attack conscripts with them that's 10x the current casualty rate
well Americans will learn a great deal about the effectiveness of the system against russian defenses, and by association something about chinese defenses as well. That s the real reason were giving the Ukes all this shit, firstly to have it all field tested in hot environment against targets that shoot back and defend themselves. Secondly to fight a proxy war against russia that degrades their capability and gather data on their system and tactics in a cost effective way that costs basically no American lives, Just weapons and some money. We're doing to them what they did to us in Afghanistan and Iraq for the past two decades.
obviously four launchers isn't going to change the war but it will let the Ukrainians launch rockets at targets deep inside russian held territory and provide a prompt strike option for use when high value targets pop up suddenly.
Spot an ammo dump 40k behind the line, launch a volley of rockets at it.
Pick up a lot of radio traffic in an otherwise empty area, launch one of those TBMs at it.
4 launchers wont stop an army but its a real good tool for poking the bear in the eye.
Mate it doesn't matter how many launch platforms you have as long as you can keep them safe, the important thing is how many missiles they get.
If they have the ammo and the logistical capabilities, and know where the Russians are, they can take those four trucks and scoot around 24/7 shitting on Russians with pinpoint accuracy.
They seem to have enough drones for recon. Everything within a 52 mile radius is at risk of being hit.
They could surely use more than 4, but 4 are better than nothing.
i thought one of the conditions of getting these things was that they wouldn't fire them into russian territory? or was that some other american weapon
The US gov shied away from giving them the ATACMS TBMs with 310km range because they believed Voronezh and Belgorod getting pulverized would be enough to make Monke hit the red button. There's also some unspoken agreement about not using the GMLRS rockets to hit targets in Russia itself.
Putin isn't destroying his own fricking country while Russia's sovereignty isn't threatened.
Russia has lost proxy wars before (e.g. Afghanistan), it was never a cause for breaking nuclear taboo.
For sure for the American and perhaps German ones, but the British ones sent have no limit on targets in Russia itself by the way.
They said in a press release before when they got other artillery after crowdsourcing the commonwealth for m777's any target in Russia is a viable target if it threatens Ukraine and they wont stop them from using weapons at targets across the border.
HIMARS is the most important weapon system Ukraine has. All those years of GMLRS spammer claiming that the HIMARS will be the premier combat vehicle of the 2020s turned out to be true. His incessant gloating about Russia not having a GMLRS equivalent turned out to be spot on. I’m kneeling so hard right now
Some guy who would make GMLRS/HIMARS praise threads. He would basically remind everyone that the US had a massive stockpile of GMLRS and Russia/China had no equivalent. He would make it known that Russia had extremely small numbers of guided rocketry and that GMLRS was going to play a major role in the 2020s. It absolutely infuriated Russian/Chinese posters but now it’s been proven
Yeah, considering the state of Russian army and their tactics 200 of those babies wit enough ammo could win the war for Ukraine with no other heavy weapon donations.
This is without question. As it stands today the HIMARS/GMLRS is unmatched. They are war winning weapons, much like the stinger when it was first introduced
That wasn't HIMARS.
I guess rocket artillery responds to some deep-seated anxiety in the vatniks soul, because to every other weapon system, they kept coping: >pff, it's just gun with bigger range and easy to use, nothing special >pff, it's just drone, nothing special >pff, it's just an advanced AT weapon we have failed to reverse-engineer for 30 years, nothing special >pff, it's just a few SP guns, nothing special >pff, look at this failed switchblade, ignore the bloody mess in the background
But the HIMARS has not yet been deployed and they're already crying about it, seeing it around every corner, blaming it for every single rocket strike.
It relies on GLONASS for guidance so it’s fairly innacurate. Plus it isn’t mass produced like the GMLRS. Honestly, I’m sorry you had to find out this way
>what fricking good will that do
I suggest you ask those people who live in Donetsk and smell the numerous burning ammunition depots.
And here's the POV: https://files.catbox.moe/z3hp0a.mp4
You're welcome.
>God, why?
These shitter keep bragging about how they are some epic, mighty, conquering empire and the milisecond someone hits back they b***h and moan.
i think its huge actually >6 rockets per vehicle >4 vehicles >24 gmlrs 80km range with glowie intel >2-4 fire missions per day >48-96 rockets with 5m CEP landing on thing like ammo dumps, artillery systems, command posts PER DAY >4 more HIMARS on the way
it wouldve outranged them if they had gotten m777 with excalibur firing capability but usa gave them regular ones, himars outranges pretty much anything ruskis got execpt their newest tornado gmlrs
GMLRS has hit out to 135km
https://insidedefense.com/insider/extended-range-gmlrs-flies-135-km-final-engineering-development-test
2 years ago
Anonymous
>https://insidedefense.com/insider/extended-range-gmlrs-flies-135-km-final-engineering-development-test
ukies get m31 only as of now so 90km max, wonder when theyll finally send atacms
2 years ago
Anonymous
there's nothing over range of 90km that Ukraine would need to strike with them
2 years ago
Anonymous
airfields, ammo dumps, donetsk city theres plenty of targets
2 years ago
Anonymous
all of those things are closer than 90km
2 years ago
Anonymous
not airfields
frankly if ukraine could get ATACMS or PrSMs they could deny both SAM and airfields, it'd be a field day for artillery and planes alike because now both can pressure the only thing left that's worthwhile- the soviet junkyard artillery
2 years ago
Anonymous
But I was replying to someone talking about tornados. They aren’t being fielded in Ukraine so bringing up GMLRS-ER is reasonable
Also Russia haven't and can't produce their modern weapons systems in any significant numbers. They may have unguided rockets but I doubt they've manufactured many of the guided ones.
American GPS-guided munitions have a dirty little secret. They're actually INS-guided, with GPS assistance. You need accurate coordinates for the launch platform (GPS, INS, or a really good map with landmarks), and of course accurate coordinates for the target. With both, a US INS system is accurate to within ~20' at upwards of a hundred miles away... by itself. If the munition can receive GPS signals while in flight, accuracy improves to ~10'.
So, GPS is nice... but it's not strictly necessary. Contrast with Russia's INS-guided anti-ship missiles that they've been using for bombardment lately (because the radar is designed to pick up ships at sea, not land targets in clutter).
Bullshit. Hundreds are going to Ukraine. Would like to know the exact plane flight numbers, date, time when they deliver them and where?
No, they are not that stupid to announce that.
Tochka is useful but not a power player like HIMARS are.
They need to keep firing their available tochka cache until they get all the western rockets to finish off Russian positions. Russia.
It's a good introduction to a system they will want to keep getting and using. Just as important, maybe more, is the propaganda factor that Russians are already concluding HIMARS is an unstoppable weapon which will always find its target. Never know when or where it will strike.
Judging from the hysteric screaming the "oh god why?" I'd say they help to put the fear of god into the vatniks hearts.
It's OSINT confirmed, ZSU has removed a giant Russian ammo dump and a large military base 4km away from it in a fashion that you can see comfortably from space.
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1541493205673414665
Also they get 8 Himars from US and 7 MLRS from UK/Germany.
I don't understand this mentality of being shocked your men invading a country are shot at. It's like a liberal being upset that a black man was shot while holding up a bank.
Remember, Russia controls the media currently in their country. They did a full on foreign media blackout in the early days of the war so that only state-run media can run. Literally something North Korea or China would do so as to control the narrative. Currently said state-run media is STILL not even referring to this war as a "war". Nor is it reporting anywhere near proper death tolls or wounded to the public. People can PROBABLY still use VPN's and shit to actively seek out the truth online, but the majority are just going to side with whatever is most convenient for them.
I really hope Ukraine keeps receiving more western weapons and that it turns into a complete slaughter of the subhuman Russian slime, as they end up outranged and outgunned by vastly superior western tech. I really want this to turn into something completely one-sided.
>unironically posting this shit again, thinking we would have forgotten
Ironic that a vatnik would post under the name of a Brittish glowie, but I guess they can't spend 5 minutes without fantasizing about the Brits.
Dead russians are good russians
You will lose the war without an alternative, the war on the outcome of which depends on whether your rotten global empire and your metropolis, which is falling apart into hundreds of principalities at war with each other, will exist.
Why are you pissing off your winner who will determine how terrible your future will be? Do you want us to send weapons instead of food and doctors?
did you quote the wrong anon?
I was responding to that crazy LGBT Nazi who is trying to piss off the Russians, those from whose good will the extent of the bloody events in the west will be traced.
Meds, now
vanya you have been raped too much again, you are delusional
/thread
>only 4 HIMARs sent to Ukraine
> "only"
>what fricking good will that do
I guess we're about to find out.
US-fricked terrorists will have 4 new long-range rocket launchers.
Instead of dozens destroyed earlier.
Blow some stuff up, idk. They should absolutely send more, though. Only 4 isn’t war-winning or even remotely impactful, no matter how well they perform.
>Only 4 isn’t war-winning or even remotely impactful, no matter how well they perform.
If they keep blowing up a couple ammo depots a day then the impact will be immense.
If they have endless ammo. And target data. They can put 90kg of explosives within 3meters on 1000 targets per day.
Even if they just attack conscripts with them that's 10x the current casualty rate
Sounds kino to me
it’s a tactical weapon for the ukies
striking high priority targets accurately behind the front
well Americans will learn a great deal about the effectiveness of the system against russian defenses, and by association something about chinese defenses as well. That s the real reason were giving the Ukes all this shit, firstly to have it all field tested in hot environment against targets that shoot back and defend themselves. Secondly to fight a proxy war against russia that degrades their capability and gather data on their system and tactics in a cost effective way that costs basically no American lives, Just weapons and some money. We're doing to them what they did to us in Afghanistan and Iraq for the past two decades.
obviously four launchers isn't going to change the war but it will let the Ukrainians launch rockets at targets deep inside russian held territory and provide a prompt strike option for use when high value targets pop up suddenly.
Spot an ammo dump 40k behind the line, launch a volley of rockets at it.
Pick up a lot of radio traffic in an otherwise empty area, launch one of those TBMs at it.
4 launchers wont stop an army but its a real good tool for poking the bear in the eye.
>good tool for poking the bear in the eye.
It is a good tool for a vasectomy!
Well there's more to come, plus the M270's
>He actually thinks they only sent 4
>he actually thinks that they sent any good missile to begin with
>he doesn't realize that they're all good
4 ammo dumps/depos/storages were destroyed in last 7 days, another vehicle storage was fricked up too.
Also they already send 4 more
That was piorun
meanwhile russians keep advancing.they need more
Mate it doesn't matter how many launch platforms you have as long as you can keep them safe, the important thing is how many missiles they get.
If they have the ammo and the logistical capabilities, and know where the Russians are, they can take those four trucks and scoot around 24/7 shitting on Russians with pinpoint accuracy.
They seem to have enough drones for recon. Everything within a 52 mile radius is at risk of being hit.
They could surely use more than 4, but 4 are better than nothing.
>They seem to have enough drones for recon
uSA officialy announced that they will share target intelligence with UA
>52 miles
jeez thats like hitting NYC from Central Jersey
>my location
If the man wants to dream of hitting New York with a HIMARS without even having to stand up then you should let him, anon.
https://nitter.it/TheDeadDistrict/status/1541333361863573504#m
Already making a difference.
i thought one of the conditions of getting these things was that they wouldn't fire them into russian territory? or was that some other american weapon
wait i'm moronic zimogore is both a place in russia and in ukraine
Those places are in Ukraine.
The US gov shied away from giving them the ATACMS TBMs with 310km range because they believed Voronezh and Belgorod getting pulverized would be enough to make Monke hit the red button. There's also some unspoken agreement about not using the GMLRS rockets to hit targets in Russia itself.
Putin isn't destroying his own fricking country while Russia's sovereignty isn't threatened.
Russia has lost proxy wars before (e.g. Afghanistan), it was never a cause for breaking nuclear taboo.
For sure for the American and perhaps German ones, but the British ones sent have no limit on targets in Russia itself by the way.
They said in a press release before when they got other artillery after crowdsourcing the commonwealth for m777's any target in Russia is a viable target if it threatens Ukraine and they wont stop them from using weapons at targets across the border.
Based brits
the russians are constantly fricking with us so we have a score to settle
The same thread says it was actually a tochka u, not himars
No it says HIMARS. You’re quoting someone who’s just copeing about jt
That person is quoting an actual ukranian source
No Ukrainian sources all are saying HIMARS. Tochka-U has around 100m CEP
This didn't happen but all of the Russians have been coping by insisting that it has to be a Tochka.
You now remember the video of dombabwean separs shitting their pants and naming HIMARS by name as ukr missiles strike
Heemarsh! Heemarsh!!!
In every photo of Russian soldiers I've seen, none of them have properly-sized helmets.
>nyet comrade, sizing is evil western invention
how fast can counter-battery fire come in?
>4
4 from the US,3 from Germany and the UK each and the US plans to send a nother 4.
>3 from Germany
>Germany
daily reminder to have a nice day
HIMARS is the most important weapon system Ukraine has. All those years of GMLRS spammer claiming that the HIMARS will be the premier combat vehicle of the 2020s turned out to be true. His incessant gloating about Russia not having a GMLRS equivalent turned out to be spot on. I’m kneeling so hard right now
>All those years of GMLRS spammer
Sorry I'm a /k/ newbie, can you give me a quick rundown? Who was GMLRS spammer?
Some guy who would make GMLRS/HIMARS praise threads. He would basically remind everyone that the US had a massive stockpile of GMLRS and Russia/China had no equivalent. He would make it known that Russia had extremely small numbers of guided rocketry and that GMLRS was going to play a major role in the 2020s. It absolutely infuriated Russian/Chinese posters but now it’s been proven
Yeah, considering the state of Russian army and their tactics 200 of those babies wit enough ammo could win the war for Ukraine with no other heavy weapon donations.
This is without question. As it stands today the HIMARS/GMLRS is unmatched. They are war winning weapons, much like the stinger when it was first introduced
Thanks anon
because of the range?
The range, devastating accuracy, and payload. Plus it’s like a ghost. Once it’s fired off it’s load it’s already on the road and out of the area
Someone find that video of those 2 guys taking cover from arty strikes and yelling "HIMARS? HIMARS!"
That's what good those things to: severe demoralisation of your enemy.
>what fricking good will that do
This
False, that was a smoooooker. Video proof:
https://streamable.com/vdhx9f
He should be an olympoc runner instead of smoking.
That wasn't HIMARS.
I guess rocket artillery responds to some deep-seated anxiety in the vatniks soul, because to every other weapon system, they kept coping:
>pff, it's just gun with bigger range and easy to use, nothing special
>pff, it's just drone, nothing special
>pff, it's just an advanced AT weapon we have failed to reverse-engineer for 30 years, nothing special
>pff, it's just a few SP guns, nothing special
>pff, look at this failed switchblade, ignore the bloody mess in the background
But the HIMARS has not yet been deployed and they're already crying about it, seeing it around every corner, blaming it for every single rocket strike.
idk, a lot of russian command posts and ammo depots blew up lately, far behind lines
Mac, tell me MacMoar.
>The windows of the launcher truck are made of glass and layers of sapphire.
damn u americans got dat drip on your equipment
>layers of sapphire.
Wait what?
https://www.botta-design.de/en/blogs/news/was-ist-saphirglas-und-was-leistet-eine-hochwertige-antireflex-beschichtung-1
Scratch-resistant and anti-glare, good for driving through woodlands and evading visual detection.
My 299€ Seiko has a sapphire window anon....
IQ 80 question. You have probably asked the same evey time, after the umpteenth delivery of 155mm NATO artillery pieces.
These systems are much more important than 155mm cannons
russia is still advancing, moron
Who asked?
Russia still doesn’t have a GMLRS equivalent
Tornado-S
It relies on GLONASS for guidance so it’s fairly innacurate. Plus it isn’t mass produced like the GMLRS. Honestly, I’m sorry you had to find out this way
If NATO weapons are useless why russians are butthurt at it ?
russian homosexuals are always butthurt
>what fricking good will that do
I suggest you ask those people who live in Donetsk and smell the numerous burning ammunition depots.
And here's the POV: https://files.catbox.moe/z3hp0a.mp4
You're welcome.
>ukrainians shelling a food distribution center in a civilian neighborhood
that's a war crime, hohol.
>food distribution center
I'd love to feed you these, ngl.
What kind of food sets off secondaries? Pop rocks?
Mexican
could have been a drone
Would have to have been multiple drones. More likely that it’s HIMARS
>what fricking good will that do
you'd have to ask the russians what the ukrainians have been blowing up at alchevsk and zymohirya.
close up of alchevsk
Holy shit, that place is still on fire? That rail-yard and the accompanying coke factory/storage yard has been glowing in FIRMs for a week+ now.
It keeps getting shelled. See
and
>close up of alchevsk
And here's the situation on the ground.
close up of zymohirya
Alchevsk glows all the time for weeks. It can't be from attacks. There's a steel plant there
it's wierd how it's the railyard and adjacent areas that are burning though.
Yes, but it's literally glowing for weeks. Maybe a coal pile got lit up, idk
it's wierd how the area that is on fire moves around every few hours. that's a pretty sprightly coal pile.
>what fricking good will that do
looks like they fried some vatniks already
>Гocпoди зa чтo
Axaxaxaxaxax
>for what?
Is it gaslighting? I'm not that competent in psychology.
It's vatnik thinkig.
Literally that dumb violent kid that goes around punching the other kids then sits down and cries as soon as someone hits back.
Literally
>Зa щo?
>>Зa щo?
Oh how the turn tables.
>God, why?
These shitter keep bragging about how they are some epic, mighty, conquering empire and the milisecond someone hits back they b***h and moan.
ГУЛЯКЛAM ПPИBET
OБPaм cлaвa!
i think its huge actually
>6 rockets per vehicle
>4 vehicles
>24 gmlrs 80km range with glowie intel
>2-4 fire missions per day
>48-96 rockets with 5m CEP landing on thing like ammo dumps, artillery systems, command posts PER DAY
>4 more HIMARS on the way
yeah i think its big
Ah right, just like the m777 was going to outrange the russian artillery and pound big holes in the line
it wouldve outranged them if they had gotten m777 with excalibur firing capability but usa gave them regular ones, himars outranges pretty much anything ruskis got execpt their newest tornado gmlrs
It outranges tornado GMLRS and has much better accuracy. Not to mention that the GMLRS is actually mass produced
according to wiki tornado s has 120km maximum range but yeah himars just mogs anyting vatniks have accuracy wise
>try this with grad or smerch
GMLRS has hit out to 135km
https://insidedefense.com/insider/extended-range-gmlrs-flies-135-km-final-engineering-development-test
>https://insidedefense.com/insider/extended-range-gmlrs-flies-135-km-final-engineering-development-test
ukies get m31 only as of now so 90km max, wonder when theyll finally send atacms
there's nothing over range of 90km that Ukraine would need to strike with them
airfields, ammo dumps, donetsk city theres plenty of targets
all of those things are closer than 90km
not airfields
frankly if ukraine could get ATACMS or PrSMs they could deny both SAM and airfields, it'd be a field day for artillery and planes alike because now both can pressure the only thing left that's worthwhile- the soviet junkyard artillery
But I was replying to someone talking about tornados. They aren’t being fielded in Ukraine so bringing up GMLRS-ER is reasonable
Also Russia haven't and can't produce their modern weapons systems in any significant numbers. They may have unguided rockets but I doubt they've manufactured many of the guided ones.
M777s have done a sterling job providing counterbattery so far, though. It's why vatBlack person shills keep being butthurt about them, too.
Actually 10 more Heemarssh are on the way.
It'll be huge if there are actually 4 batteries instead of 4 trucks.
Can you jam gps to they wouldn't be accurate?
Not really. Apparently they are using American military GPS which is hardened every year
They switch to inertia guidance if gps doesn't work. Will still hit about where they were aimed at.
Shh. Not telling.
They're using a jam-resistant version of GPS already in the US military.
This is a temporary measure as they're upgrading it to also be non-spoofable in addition to even better resistance to jamming.
US has the best electronics engineers in the world, they have not been idling while Russia started to come up with EW equipment.
American GPS-guided munitions have a dirty little secret. They're actually INS-guided, with GPS assistance. You need accurate coordinates for the launch platform (GPS, INS, or a really good map with landmarks), and of course accurate coordinates for the target. With both, a US INS system is accurate to within ~20' at upwards of a hundred miles away... by itself. If the munition can receive GPS signals while in flight, accuracy improves to ~10'.
So, GPS is nice... but it's not strictly necessary. Contrast with Russia's INS-guided anti-ship missiles that they've been using for bombardment lately (because the radar is designed to pick up ships at sea, not land targets in clutter).
You dont have a single shred of proof to back this up do you?
I can confirm his claim with no evidence of qualification.
How is that a secret, let alone a dirty one?
Bullshit. Hundreds are going to Ukraine. Would like to know the exact plane flight numbers, date, time when they deliver them and where?
No, they are not that stupid to announce that.
it's a bit better than Tochka-U. Nothing will change
Tochka U is garbage. This might as well be science fiction in comparison.
Tochka is useful but not a power player like HIMARS are.
They need to keep firing their available tochka cache until they get all the western rockets to finish off Russian positions. Russia.
Much more precise than t*chka
It's a good introduction to a system they will want to keep getting and using. Just as important, maybe more, is the propaganda factor that Russians are already concluding HIMARS is an unstoppable weapon which will always find its target. Never know when or where it will strike.
they're only going to be used for counter battery fire and other high value targets
america has sent like 12 and other countries have sent 6 more
Training?
Judging from the hysteric screaming the "oh god why?" I'd say they help to put the fear of god into the vatniks hearts.
It's OSINT confirmed, ZSU has removed a giant Russian ammo dump and a large military base 4km away from it in a fashion that you can see comfortably from space.
https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1541493205673414665
Also they get 8 Himars from US and 7 MLRS from UK/Germany.
I don't understand this mentality of being shocked your men invading a country are shot at. It's like a liberal being upset that a black man was shot while holding up a bank.
Remember, Russia controls the media currently in their country. They did a full on foreign media blackout in the early days of the war so that only state-run media can run. Literally something North Korea or China would do so as to control the narrative. Currently said state-run media is STILL not even referring to this war as a "war". Nor is it reporting anywhere near proper death tolls or wounded to the public. People can PROBABLY still use VPN's and shit to actively seek out the truth online, but the majority are just going to side with whatever is most convenient for them.
It isn't even labelled as a war on fricking GRAVES, it is labelled as 'special military operation in Ukraine'.
"in memory of slavoslav blyatovich"
"merely rumors that he died"
1998-2022
i play games with a russian dude, i don't know about the rest of them but this dude is extremely disillusioned about the whole thing
I really hope Ukraine keeps receiving more western weapons and that it turns into a complete slaughter of the subhuman Russian slime, as they end up outranged and outgunned by vastly superior western tech. I really want this to turn into something completely one-sided.
When will butthurtbelters realize that one Western vehicle is the equivalent of 20 slav vehicles?
The US needs to stop KEKING and send the 500km range ammo. They need to hit ammo dumps inside Russia near the border
they need cruise missiles to hit the ammo dumps in siberia.
knowing how bad ukraine aim their weapons, I say more of their own get hit just like the past
>unironically posting this shit again, thinking we would have forgotten
Ironic that a vatnik would post under the name of a Brittish glowie, but I guess they can't spend 5 minutes without fantasizing about the Brits.
I only wish they would have had 20 of these greeting the 40km convoy to Kiev.
>what fricking good will that do
blowing up russian murderers and looters