It will take hundreds of lost vehicles and casualties in the tens of thousands, but it will eventually fall
And just like at Bakhmut, ziggers will proclaim a great victory but for some reason they will not advance any further
I am constantly reminded of the quote (I think it was Rommel) >You don't fight a battle if you're not going to win anything from it
Which sums up Russia entirely. All these losses, for what? To take one town that has long been turned to rubble and lost strategic significance.
theyre really stuck at the coke factory, they finally took the slag pit before new years but every time they try to push into the factory district they get massacred, the place is littered with zigger corpses all around the perimeter.
>theyre really stuck at the coke factory, they finally took the slag pit before new years but every time they try to push into the factory district they get massacred, the place is littered with zigger corpses all around the perimeter.
If Coca-Cola™ is under attack I think we need to intervene directly.
It put Prigozhin in a position to say his forces were doing the heavy lifting and thus deserved preferential treatment. Which ultimately led to his coup, and then nothing.
Bakhmut still contested. The Russians never actually took the whole city and the Ukrainians were able to roll back some of their gains on the flanks so it's now the Russians sitting in a salient getting hit from three sides. And even then, the Russians have absolutely nothing with Bakhmut other than just sit there while they waste men and resource son other fronts.
The true memoryhole around Bakhmut was the fact that Ziggers were spamming month old articles of Zelensky and other officials saying something along the lines of "If Bakhmut falls it's a straight drive to Kyiv" which at the time was probably mostly true due to position of the city and the terrain around it.
But during the extremely long battle for the city, Ukraine set up the defences required to make the fall of Bakhmut quite inconsequential overall strategically.
So ziggers memoryholed the fact that Kyiv was again about to fall in just about 2 weeks because Zelensky had once said Bakhmut falling meant a straight drive to Kyiv months ago.
>Bakhmut was never a gateway to anything
Zmans words, not mine. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/open-road-for-russians-if-bakhmut-falls-ukraine-president-3843166
Although I will admit, I misremembered how dramatic the headlines were. Not an open road to "kyiv" just and open road to "Ukraine",
Remember, my point was that these were the headlines Ziggers were spamming and justifying a new wave of "Ukraine lost" with.
>Ukraine didn't have to reinforce Kyiv at all.
This is not what I said. I said that at the time of Zelenskys statements about the importance of Bakhmut back in march, it was actually very strategically important.
The surrounding areas were not well fortified, and complete Russian control of the city would at the time make Sloviansk and Kramatorsk very vulnerable. Over the course of march-april-may, the area around Bakhmut was heavily fortified, and the pile of rubble that once stood, was now barely more than just another arbitrary bit of land next to a defensive line, tactically speaking.
>Zmans words
He was just pulling a classic Churchill >This defeat is like THE WORST EVER IN THE HISTORY OF LIKE EVER >This victory is like THE BEST EVER IN THE HISTORY OF LIKE EVER
>it was actually very strategically important.
Yeah and I'm saying no, it wasn't
It was just one more previously unknown town on the road to Kramatorsk
If it had been taken, there would be yet another town down the road, yet another "gateway to Ukraine", and behind that another, until actually reaching Kramatorsk, which itself was massively fortified already
Seems like a reasonable thread to ask. Anybody got any long videos of Ukrainians dropping grenades into vehicle hatches? I find them immensely satisfying. No idea where to find JUST that kind of video.
der angriff vdv war befehl
when avdickva falls surely the Russians will be exhausted and stop
>avdiivka
>fallling
seems like it's slowly being ground down by any honest interpretation of the lines of contact
Agreed. The Russian Army sure is being ground to pieces.
If the US doesnt resume ammunition deliveries it WILL fall.
It will take hundreds of lost vehicles and casualties in the tens of thousands, but it will eventually fall
And just like at Bakhmut, ziggers will proclaim a great victory but for some reason they will not advance any further
I am constantly reminded of the quote (I think it was Rommel)
>You don't fight a battle if you're not going to win anything from it
Which sums up Russia entirely. All these losses, for what? To take one town that has long been turned to rubble and lost strategic significance.
Well they practically did last year after Bakhmut so
Of course, it's probably a double
It's ok, general hrukhrievich will come from the krinky foothold and block the vatniks from Crimea.
Just a few boats more.
Slander, Putin would never lower himself to personal interactions with the unwashed mobik masses
In print it's libel
>mein monke...
>the bradley...
>it took out our T-90
Anybody have a map of the current situation in Adiivka?
theyre really stuck at the coke factory, they finally took the slag pit before new years but every time they try to push into the factory district they get massacred, the place is littered with zigger corpses all around the perimeter.
Ukraine needs to keep its flanks intact there. Prevent the barbarian from surrounding its forces.
>the place is littered with zigger corpses all around the perimeter
Pics
>theyre really stuck at the coke factory, they finally took the slag pit before new years but every time they try to push into the factory district they get massacred, the place is littered with zigger corpses all around the perimeter.
If Coca-Cola™ is under attack I think we need to intervene directly.
>for him the soda factory was the red line, not the prostitute pit
Priorities, son
qrd on the prostitute pit?
Coke as in the fuel that's produced from coal.
Did anything change when Bakhmut was taken? It's completely memory holed by everyone.
It put Prigozhin in a position to say his forces were doing the heavy lifting and thus deserved preferential treatment. Which ultimately led to his coup, and then nothing.
Bakhmut is still under Russian control correct? The Ukrainians never took it back?
Bakhmut still contested. The Russians never actually took the whole city and the Ukrainians were able to roll back some of their gains on the flanks so it's now the Russians sitting in a salient getting hit from three sides. And even then, the Russians have absolutely nothing with Bakhmut other than just sit there while they waste men and resource son other fronts.
It was never under Russian control at all, post MiG monument, subhuman.
>The capture of Bakhmut has given Russia a strategic advantage and a propaganda victory, as well as access to the city’s salt and wine industries14
Oof. The whole war is a political theatre.
>the city’s salt and wine industries14
There is no city left, you fricking idiot.
The true memoryhole around Bakhmut was the fact that Ziggers were spamming month old articles of Zelensky and other officials saying something along the lines of "If Bakhmut falls it's a straight drive to Kyiv" which at the time was probably mostly true due to position of the city and the terrain around it.
But during the extremely long battle for the city, Ukraine set up the defences required to make the fall of Bakhmut quite inconsequential overall strategically.
So ziggers memoryholed the fact that Kyiv was again about to fall in just about 2 weeks because Zelensky had once said Bakhmut falling meant a straight drive to Kyiv months ago.
>Ukraine set up the defences required to make the fall of Bakhmut quite inconsequential overall strategically.
Have you looked at a map?
Bakhmut was never a gateway to anything and Ukraine didn't have to reinforce Kyiv at all.
>Bakhmut was never a gateway to anything
Zmans words, not mine. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/open-road-for-russians-if-bakhmut-falls-ukraine-president-3843166
Although I will admit, I misremembered how dramatic the headlines were. Not an open road to "kyiv" just and open road to "Ukraine",
Remember, my point was that these were the headlines Ziggers were spamming and justifying a new wave of "Ukraine lost" with.
>Ukraine didn't have to reinforce Kyiv at all.
This is not what I said. I said that at the time of Zelenskys statements about the importance of Bakhmut back in march, it was actually very strategically important.
The surrounding areas were not well fortified, and complete Russian control of the city would at the time make Sloviansk and Kramatorsk very vulnerable. Over the course of march-april-may, the area around Bakhmut was heavily fortified, and the pile of rubble that once stood, was now barely more than just another arbitrary bit of land next to a defensive line, tactically speaking.
>Zmans words
He was just pulling a classic Churchill
>This defeat is like THE WORST EVER IN THE HISTORY OF LIKE EVER
>This victory is like THE BEST EVER IN THE HISTORY OF LIKE EVER
>it was actually very strategically important.
Yeah and I'm saying no, it wasn't
It was just one more previously unknown town on the road to Kramatorsk
If it had been taken, there would be yet another town down the road, yet another "gateway to Ukraine", and behind that another, until actually reaching Kramatorsk, which itself was massively fortified already
How close are the Russians to fricking Kviv?
As close as I am to fricking Anya Taylor-Joy
Seems like a reasonable thread to ask. Anybody got any long videos of Ukrainians dropping grenades into vehicle hatches? I find them immensely satisfying. No idea where to find JUST that kind of video.
>day 600 of the 3 day military operation
700, actually.
Ukraine still existing = Ukraine winning
Russia still failing all of its stated goals = Russia losing