https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1676566230969221120?t=V1Clk-uxxfRPZNcIxygkhA&s=19
on that video only 1 crew escape from T-90M whereby they used that equipment as indirect fire support. when I encounter Russia fanbase they'll always tell that Russian tanks always ensure survivability of crew inside it but in that video one bailed out barely alive. is the protection for Russian tanks crew really that bad?
There are countless videos of Russian tank crews easily surviving tank mines and everything else
They tend to have no ammo stored in them.
There's more videos of Russian tanks attempting to become spacecraft than of the surviving a mine hit.
The Ukrainians have said that soviet armor is basically useless compared to their western counterparts.
It's not even the armour. The armour is fine. It's the ammunition layout with no attempt to segregate it from the crew compartment.
Now now anon, while the ammo setup is definitely what causes the crew to become cosmonauts, the armor layout is literally decades old by now, with the material barely changing. The ERA slapped on top is the only thing that changes, and while it certainly adds protection, counter-ERA rods are a hell of a lot easier to design that trying to counter NERA.
But counter-ERA rods also counter NERA if they function properly. That's why everyone started really banking on APS systems since armour basically only works against unprepared foes.
Real militaries that do setpiece operations like USA and France don't need APS since they do what needs to be done before the operation becomes a counter-guerilla shitshow.
? what? No, they don't, it's two entirely different mechanisms at play. The primary mechanism for ERA defeating long rods is via plate feeding
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/09544062221081402
while for NERA it's inducing shear stresses in the penetrator in order to cause it to shatter and fragment
https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1944/14/12/3334
Sorry for taking some time to reply but I had to dig up the sources again since I don't have them saved on my PC
(Me)
I should also add, the mechanism for ceramic reinforced MMCs is also quite different from both ERA and NERA
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA609092.pdf
yes. Arrays deform the rod. Backing plate erodes it.
love to see a fellow paper peeper
Yeah, no shit that's because mines go off under tracks and not under the center of the vehicle.
It's generally something going catastrophic or a multi mine detonation to cause a cook off in anything but aluminum armored vehicles.
>but in that video one bailed out barely alive.
He's dead
>only 1 crew escape from T-90M
Is it really even an escape when half of your uniform has already melted off and you just wind up dying in excruciating pain next to your wrecked tank?
Yah got out of the vehicle, but you're still dead.
Yes but much like mobiks that are cremated and then reported as MIA (and thus give no state compensation to their families), they don't count.
>much like mobiks that are cremated
>cremated
You doesn't know do you?
How did that Leo manage to protect the crew from receiving a direct hit from 152mm?
Which one? If you're referring to the one with the roof cracked open it wasn't a 152mm hit. Far too little surface damage. It was probably a drone grenade/mortar.
Right, a drone grenade is going to crack open a Leopard. Sure thing, buddy.
That was HE artillery.
NTA
That Leo wasn't hit by a 1xx artillery shell.
The roof elements looked unaffected when an arty shell would tear apart everything.
So is everything being said by a "nazi" false?
Soviets used steel-quartz composite armour that was ground breaking...60 years ago. Since them the British developed Chobham composite armour which is superior to Steel-Quartz by several times. There is a reason why ERA is so popular on Soviet tanks, it is a cheap upgrade that might make your outdated tank somewhat survivable.
Soviets haven't used sintered qvartz insert since T-72B and T-80U(D)
What the frick hit it? There's a little airburst puff and suddenly it's on fire.
That crewman's fricked, though. Even hopped up on adrenaline, he can barely lie there kicking at the end.
SMArt or BONUS 155 mm shell. Both drop 2 submunitions which fire EFPs at the closest tank they see.
Theoretically would it be possible to contain the crew entirely in the turret and design it as an escape pod?
When the tank is hit and the ammo explodes the turret, and crew, is ejected. I suppose you'd only need a robust airbag or parachute system depending on height reached. Russia should get on this.
newest russian tank
That's cheating for turrent flying
Russians have literally never cared about human life, their populace has no other purpose other than being endless meatwaves. It was even part of the soviet doctrine.
>https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1676566230969221120?t=V1Clk-uxxfRPZNcIxygkhA&s=19
WEBM.
Original tweet:
>Imagine losing a T-90M because you lost so many artillery pieces you needed to us a T-90M as an artillery piece.
>Russian tanks always ensure survivability of crew inside
have you not seen the hundreds of videos of soviet made tank turrets being flung into outer space?
the crew is sitting right next to a huge pile of unprotected explosives, when the ammo cooks off the crew cooks off with it.