Okay so does Kazakh army have sufficient equipment to defend itself from a possible Russian invasion?
I know that they're trained by Turkey and provided drones nad APCs by Turkey. But is that enough? Will the West interfere?
Okay so does Kazakh army have sufficient equipment to defend itself from a possible Russian invasion?
Kazakhstan is probably in a worse position than pre-invasion Ukraine because it lacks the domestic military production that Ukraine had.
That being said, what exactly would Russia be able to muster to even threaten Kazakhstan now? What could possibly be scrounged together for a "special military operation to de-nazify Kazakhstan?"
>What could possibly be scrounged together for a "special military operation to de-nazify Kazakhstan?"
Kazakhstan wants to pull out of CIS
No I mean like, materially.
Kazakhstan wants to go hard. CIS has too many women.
Probably their air force.
>what exactly would Russia be able to muster to even threaten Kazakhstan now?
Protect oppressed Russians in northern Kazakhstan
I think he meant troops.How many troops would they be able to muster if they planned to invade Kazakhstan ? Right now they are down to using obsolete equipment and they move troops from the Finnish border to use in in Ukraine.And I'm sure turkey and the other turckic states would give them some support even if it is behind the scenes.
Kazakhstan is a massive country that's pretty much 90% empty steppe with no infrastructure. good luck invading that with the 10k conscripts Russia can spare at the moment lmao
Likely strategic bombers doing carpet bombing with dumb bombs until they cave in to whatever they want. I doubt they would send any land forces beyond seizing some Russian-speaking border regions. Then again, I thought the same about Ukraine and here we are.
While they probably could muster up enough troops to seize a bit of Russo-centric border regions, the problem is that if the Kazakhs decide to go hot then they're looking at serious problems holding said territory. It's kind of understated that Russia took Crimea and Donetsk/Luhansk during a period of near complete Ukrainian government paralysis and instability; while Kazakhstan has a lot of problems and instability, they're in good enough shape to immediately respond to Russian actions.
The great Smurf war
The virgin camo pattern/green shade vs the CHAD Tengri Tank
They won't be invaded because Tokayev is a Chinese puppet. Remember right before the invasion of Ukraine, Russia VDV jumped into Kazakastan to "stop an uprising". Then they promptly did nothing and left.
Xi told Putin to get the frick out of Kazakastan if he wanted support in Ukraine. So he packed up his shit and left.
But Tokayev and Kazakastan has refused to acknowledge the breakaway states created by Russia; and thats because Xi told him not to recognize them. It's all politics in that part of the world. Xi is letting Putin know where he is in the new world order.
I find it hilarious
First time I'm hearing of it but it makes sense. The Russian "help" during the protests seemed completely unwanted by Kazakhstan.
Yah the Stans are Chinese clay at this point, especially kazakastan. Thats what I tried to bring up to /chug/ the other day just to see them seethe. Their argument was it was better for Putin to lose the Stans to China than to the West. I guess theres some logic to that, but I don't think it's a great move.
Russians stopped the gas flow from Kazakh. So now Kazakh president issues order to build an alternative route to deliver oil to Europe.
What alternatives do they have? Iran isn't an option since they are sanctioned themselves.
Building a pipeline across the Caspian Sea to connect to Azerbaijan takes a lot of time and effort.
Iran isn't an option not because of sanctions but because the infrastructure needs to be planned, designed and built first. Azerbaijan already has existing infrastructure that can be upgraded and used.
Sea route through Azerbaijan -> Turkey -> Europe
It would be interesting to see if WW3 happens and Russians lose access to both caspian/black seas and connects Ukraine to Kazakhstan directly
so how will russia into space?
based russia. frick turks of all kinds.
>frick turks of all kinds.
so frick russians?
He said turks not mongols.
Close, but not the same.
About 15% of Russians are Turkic Muslims.
>armenoid still seething about their occupation getting btfo
>sucks Russian wieners daily
>they still wouldn't bail you out during the Second Karabakh War and left Armenia to Roaches' mercy
>still sucks em daily anyway
SERBS, YOU HAVE A RIVAL
frick Turks but frick Armenians even more
Who are they
Nasty armenians of no particular importance.
then why post them?
For wank purposes.
something about those shiny bawd outfits...
even the one on the left had a certain allure
Sucking their wieners wont mean they would help you
>Will the West interfere?
Its a b***h of a location to send stuff in.
North is Russia, in south you would have to go through either Iran or Afghanistan in addition of other Stans, east is China, and in the west you would need to go through Caspian sea that has Ruskie presence (if you manage to get through turkey, georgia, armenia, azerbaijan combo).
I guess at most you could smuggle some small stuff with civilian planes, but that is pretty risky in and itself...
Honestly, I almost think that the best bet the West would have is to bribe fricking Taliban with relation normalization and official recognization and send stuff through there. And just think how well that would go with the western audience.
>former enemy becomes your ally in next season
kino
Taliban just got some shiny toys
Well, you could flood them with money to buy chink shit.
The US is already making efforts to ally themselves with the Taliban.
What do you think leaving Afghanistan was REALLY about?
Disposing of surplus equipment so the MIC can make more.
More than that, it was also a donation to the Taliban, to equip them for potential military action against Pakistan (already happening) and to gain their support to use Afghanistan as a potential staging ground.
Frick pakistan. I still remember them throwing a b***h fit when the US threatened to pull gibs right after bin laden raid.
>talibs fighting Pakis
Kek now I know you're joking
Maybe if this is some roundabout way to stop pakis being insufferable shits you'd have a point
>talibs fighting Pakis
Not as unlikely as you think.
https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/05/pakistans-twin-taliban-problem
Pakistan's relationship with the Taliban has always been a game of strategic policy on both sides rather than being allies. Going back to the Soviet-Afghan War, Pakistan supported the mujahideen to counter nationalist Afghani and Indian interests, and continued to support the Taliban for largely the same reasons. Likewise the Taliban kept ties with Pakistan because it was a reliable supplier of intel, weapons, and safe harbor. Currently they're in conflict because the Taliban is supporting allied Islamic groups in Pakistan against the Pakistani government and growing Chinese-Afghani relations threaten Pakistan's goal of regional hegemony.
>What do you think leaving Afghanistan was REALLY about?
Poppy fields lost their value when the Chinks started flooding the market with cheap fent. Illegal drug trade is a major source of off-record funds for US glowBlack person agencies
yeah, that's why they run the cartels.
It may be interesting to monitor Kazakhstan's interactions with Beijing on this matter.
The West has no corridor without getting squeezed.
>Russia is losing against Ukraine, while NATO hasn't even arrived yet
FTFY
They have a worse position then Ukraine pre-war (still soviet model "army", like ukraine 2014), yet it is counter balanced by vatniks throwing all of their most combat capable units into Ukraine. Best the muscovites could send now are the "national guard" (former internal ministry) troops that objectively are Putins personal riot thugs with machine guns. So next to no real military training. Or hardware.
Kino
>Russia has ruined its image of strength and fricked up so hard that its satellites are starting to become disobedient
>no one fears them anymore
This is going to result in an interesting geopolitical shift. As other anons pointed out, Central Asia is practically inaccessible for the West. I can see it all going towards China though and I wouldn't be surprised if China is quietly encouraging it behind the scenes. After all, why risk war with a nuclear power trying to seize Siberia when instead you can just quietly steal all their ex-satellites? It'd fit in well with their Belt and Road ambitions too.
Kinda this, China can turn Kazakhstan into a perfect buffer nation whilst enjoying all those vast energy resources and and transport routes at a bargain price. All they need to do is protect poor little Kazakhs against Russian aggression. Not yet, but soon.
Can't the West airlift stuff from Turkey and India to Uzbekistan and then bring them to Kazakhstan from there by land? It's not really practical but I can't imagine NATO and Turks in particular would like to watch idly.
There isn't going to be a Kazakh-Russia war, because Kazakhstanis aren't moronic.
>gave up nukes
>while bordering Russia
They most certainly will be invaded.
You forgot
>not in NATO
They most certainly will be invaded... if Russia doesn't collapse or use up all their military in Ukraine before
If they invade, it’d be a 100% guarantee all the other neighboring nations will shift to national policy of arming up, digging in and fortifying defensive positions.
But Kazakhstan have the nukes, PLA nukes
It's not up to them. There won't be war because Russia has nothing to wage the war with.
Wrong. They're getting stalled out by Ukrainians using NATO's old junk they weren't able to scam other countries in to buying.
Kazakhstan cucking Monke is beautiful.
Russia will raise its eyebrow and Kazakhstan will understand
Do we have any more Solovyov moments? That gold mine seems to have kind of dried up.
They probably told him to stop talking about the war so people can quickly forget the schism between what was supposed to happen and what is currently going on. Just a guess though, if anybody has more gold I'd be very happy to see it.
Nah lol, he's going full "We'll invade the US next!"
https://www.oslint.org/community/index.php?threads/russian-state-media-talks-of-ww3-says-other-countries-will-be-invaded-after-ukraine.1211/#post-1471
Kek. Glad Russian cringe like that is on its way out.
Russia won't go after Kazakhstan because no Russians there. It's like 700 billion Square miles of worthless land and 3 million people living on it that nobody cares about.
Anon, the Russian thing is an excuse. It's always about the land.
>Russia won't go after Kazakhstan because no Russians there
Kazakhstan is shelling russian people for 8 years now
vatnik detected
Tourist didn't get the sarcasm.
post guns
I'm gonna get b&
I literally posting from Georgia you have no excuse noguns
Anon, Baikonur alone is reason enough for Russia to care. Like 90% of their space launches are fired off form there and the weather in Russia proper is so shit you'd have next to no other place to reliably launch rockets from
Russia could probably occupy the northern regions, which are actually populated by Russians, pretty easily.
Everywhere else: Extreme logistics nightmare everywhere else followed by Afghanistan 2.0 during the occupation phase. Also the Chinese would probably completely turn on Russia at that point.
Could this be used as an opportunity to redirect the Arab Spring 2.0 into Russia? Would be absolutely silly to witness.
Kazakhstan ask for help from China.
>Russia is beating NATO in Ukraine
And by that, you mean it has lost over 30k men when NATO has done nothing beyond handing out some old late-cold war leftovers to Ukraine.
The bear fears the borat. Kazakhstan will be fine.
Puter could use excuse that Kazahstan is oppressing Russian minority amd havd to save them. Thats excuse he always loved to use.
But is Russia even capable of starting and maintaining second special military operation? And with Ukraine Putin was preparing for years for this.
Declaration of war and general mobilization can solve that issue. But would be against one country or should he declare it against Ukraine also?
>Putler
Putulini ,Hitler had some early successes this is more akin to the italian invasion of greece but without german help.
To be fair, before he got greedy and went full moron, he had Crimea and the two 'totally not Russian puppet states', which makes him deciding to double down in a fit of suicidal megalomania even funnier.
For real though? Can I get a QRD?
I dont follow politics
>18% of Kazakhstan's population is Russian
>Kazakhstan is almost entirely land locked and has an economy very very closely tied in with Russia
>Russia has a very powerful influence in Kazakhstan
>Putin has stated that khazakhstan is a made up country with no history
So, it really very closely parallels Ukraine and there has been a massive falling out between the governments since the Russian invasion in February. All the things that Putin, Lavrov, and other people in the Russian ruling clique have said about Ukraine could very well be turned on Kazakhstan. The president has made it clear that they would absolutely not recognize the LPR and DPR. Doing so would only invite Russia to begin turning them into the next Ukraine. Since February, Kazakhstan's views on Russia have turned dark and they are quickly trying to find foreign powers that can counter balance Russia. The basic geography is making this very difficult though.
The invasion acted as a harsh wakeup to Khazakhs. Overnight, they decided remaining tied so closely to Russia invited Russian dominantion and could only lead to the economic stagnation and cultural rot that pervades Russia, Belarus, and was typical of pre-Euromaidan Ukraine. They have tried to reach out to the EU to act as a far balance and have made moves to get closer to China. Europe though is far away in distance and thought. Europeans think very little of Central Asia and have no desire to get involved. There is also the problem of theain mass of Russia lying between them. China has its own ideas that revolve around economic imperialism. Anxiety over water rights also feature as well as the Chinese ethnocide of Uyghurs that is also targeting ethnic Khazakhs in neighboring Xinjiang. The multiple Central Asian states to the south have too many disjointed relations that revolve around bickering to provide much support.
tl;dr Kazakhstan is in a rough spot and doesn't want to become the next Ukraine/Georgia/Moldova.
What's interesting is that in January Toqaev used Russian VDV to remove Nazarbaev remnants, possibly even helping to delay the Russian invasion plans.
>remove Nazarbaev remnants
While the president has been trying to solidify control away from the "retired" Nur-sultan Nazarbayev, the CTSO intervention was largely to control widespread protests and riots associated with the removal of gasoline price cap and general rage over the economic imbalances in Kazakhstan and Nazarbayev's, who was forced out by massive protests in 2019, continued influence in government.
That's a rather childish view of things and doesn't reflect reality. Kazakhstan isn't trying to algn itself to any international bloc and is trying to steer a course that lets it maintain independence. To do so it will have to engage with multiple opposed power blocs, balance them against one another, and still mind the geopolitical reality of being entwined with Russia.
Reduction of the consequences of Chinese or Russian domination to genocide is a toddler's understanding of Putin's and Xi's goals. Your conspiratorial obsession with sexual minorities is also strange.
The Chinese are literally committing genocide right now you enormous homosexual.
Against internal populations. Nothing about Chinese foreign policy indicates that they'd pursue anything similar away from home. I already talked about how the Uyghur ethnocide affects Kazakh-Chinese relations here
>Cyprus
>Asia
It being technically grouped in Asia is irrelevant. It's an Island in the Mediterranean with a European population and culture. Kazakhstan is 900 miles away from Romania and has never been considered European geographically or culturally. Their largest city, Almaty, is 170 miles from the Chinese border.
>Against internal populations. Nothing about Chinese foreign policy indicates that they'd pursue anything similar away from home
Correct,they would first make the population internal before the genocide.Just like they did with Tibet.
>It's an Island in the Mediterranean with a European population and culture.
Cyprus is about as European as Israel and Israel is pretty solidly in the Middle-East. In fact it WAS considered Asia pretty much until Britain took control of it.
But not against humans.
chinese aren't humans
Good rd thx
>US asks Its allies to respect human rights
>somehow in the same category as genocide
Wut?
/k/ope delusion
Can you explain? Your comment doesn't give much info
>Monkey literally does a Tianmen square 2.0 to save Kazakh banana republic leadership's ass during the uprising in Kazakhstan this year
>Kazakh leadership is now turning against Russia
Explain
>Explain
Kazakhstan is a tiny bit worried because all excuses Putin used for invasion of Ukraine can be used against Kazakhstan by just changing one word.
Nazi and Islamist?
Qazaqstan is considered partially in Europe. They could join the EU based on geography.
The main obstacles are rule of law and personal freedoms.
Geography doesn't really matter. The EU has territories in every continent in the world and Cyprus being in Asia didn't stop them from joining. Besides, the definition for Europe's boundaries is largely arbitrary.
You still can't have places like Canada join because they are beyond the scope.
Eh, Canada could easily join but it would probably piss off yanks a bit, not to mention that they would not really get that many benefits for joining.
>it would probably piss off yanks a bit
not if both of them join together
USA is a bit too much for EU, unless they separate into individual states.
Brazil technically shares a border with France, that doesn't mean anyone would take a Brazilian EU application seriously.
You can just ignore the Black personhomosexual propaganda and still be in NATO etc. so that's not as big a deal as it sounds. Poland and Turkey are good examples.
>>get close to the US, filled with Black person homosexual propaganda
this is your brain on /misc/
when will you tourist noguns Black folk leave?
/k/ isn't your boomer neocon general. It wasn't before this war and it isn't now either.
you started coming to this board in march
March of 2014 maybe.
After checking the original document, no wonder you didn't link it and posted a picture of a sensationalized opinion piece (didn't even link the article), kek.
Turns out US embassy people talking with some Estonian politicians about maybe cutting down on Black personhate is now called brainwash. Nothing forced, no blackmail, no threats... just asking politicians to meet and add a discussion topic =
reEeeeeE BRaInwASH
>https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06TALLINN576_a.html
go leave
who are you quoting you noguns asiatic
I'm glad you're outing yourself as a newbie by admitting you don't know how greentext works.
yeah i'm a newbie from 2011
now go back
kek morons
Eat a dog.
>European Commission against
Racism and Intolerance recommendation
Literally not even USA pushing it, but a commission in the EU. No mention of further plans about that or any money allocated. Just that an EU commission had previously mentioned as a recommendation, not even any kind of enforcement talked about.
I mean, that is how freedom and discussion works in the real world anon. People/organizations can propose new stuff. The other side doesn't have to agree. If it were forced, like globohomosexual in the Soviet Union with Russians, Chinks, Siberians, Churkas being forcefully imported into other, white regions and everyone being forced to speak Russian. That is something truly multiculti disgusting.
>but a commission in the EU
It is not EU. Council of Europe is a separate organization.
You are right. Still not "USA brainwashing everyone to become Americanized"
And still only discussions and proposals, not any kind of enforcement EVEN in these leaked documents. Estonia listens in, thinks about it and then does whatever it wants.
The article just mentions a report by the EU commission, it doesn't mention the EU commission trying to push anything. The article is about US politicians trying to Americanize Estonia.
wikileaks is now a russian psyop very cool, you've now convinced me that the US government ROCKS!!!
thanks glowie
>The article is about US politicians trying to Americanize Estonia
wtf i love US politicians now
Estonia does have some ok gun laws for Europe standards nowadays
>wtf i love US politicians now
I know you do.
no, not really i don't
but i'd say anything to make you noguns tourists seethe
You're gonna pop your varicose veins, boomer.
i was born in 2000
https://web.archive.org/web/20180101213825/http://whitegenocideproject.com:80/wikileaks-us-gov-is-trying-to-brainwash-estonians-about-the-benefits-of-diversity-and-multicultural-society/
There is evidence in the article that a commission in Council of Europe and also the US Embassy in Estonia tried to talk to Estonians about racial hate. There is no evidence of any brainwashing or any forcing something against Estonian politician wants.
>Wikileaks
Oooh, I remember this totally-not-russian psy-op that was about to overthrow the NWO in a few weeks. My, time flies.
>mutting yourself up and worshipping Black folk and trannies = respecting human rights
Reminder this is a Hispanic saying this, legit 5'5 brown subhuman is looking down on the USA
>a Hispanic saying this, legit 5'5 brown subhuman
So you're accusing me of being the average amerimutt?
You will never be white /misc/spic
Neither will you
/pol/tards really are like chimps. show up screeching and hollering about god knows what, flinging shit on the walls and having the nerve to act like you're the outcast. no wonder they flock to king banan
Don't you get tired of fantasizing about transsexuals 80% of your day?
At this point I am fairly confident that my country could take on Russia and give them a pretty good fight, if not win.
White Americans have a lot of internal problems and still dominate the world. Tells you a lot doesn't it?
at this point I am starting to wonder if wikileaks wasn't just an outlet for the FSB to publish.
>Okay so does Kazakh army have sufficient equipment to defend itself from a possible Russian invasion?
my man fricking Georgia has at this point
the deployable combat potential of Russian military is almost entirely tied down in Ukraine
they literally arent capable of launching another war
Let them come
Soon enough the tuğ of victory shall be raised above Kremlin
Praise Tengri and feel his wrath
>Okay so does Kazakh army have sufficient equipment to defend itself from a possible Russian invasion?
Central Asian countries only have to pull their workers out of Russia to finally collapse their industry.
KAMAZ had to hire prisoners in december to fill the lack of workforce in their factories, when dozens of thousands of foreign workers had to go home due to the Chinese Coof.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/russian-truckmaker-kamaz-looks-prisons-plug-workforce-deficit-2021-12-17/
There are about 11 million foreign workers in Russia, mostly from Uzbekistan (which is unstable right now), Kazakhstan, other Central Asian -stan countries (Afghanistan excluded) and the Caucasus. They make up 10% of the Russian workforce, perhaps even more now that hundreds of thousands of skilled Russian workers and engineers left the country.
As long as russia is busy failing in Ukraine everybody else is safe.
Khazaks don't produce nearly enough cp per capita for the western world to come to their defence, sorry you colourful-dressing family-oriented steppe tribes.
russia is the biggest cp producer and consumer in the world
I don’t think you understand the benefits of arming other nations to fight your enemy. You benefit from wearing down your enemy without actually using your own forces. You make them pay with lives and equipment while all you pay with is just a bit of equipment.
But do the steppes lent themselves for such attrition?
And the West doesn't have any equipment they can spare since it's all going to Ukraine.
Iran might be an option.
>the West doesn't have any equipment they can spare since it's all going to Ukraine
Oh anon, you have no idea how much equipment the west has and how much it can produce.
The west is firing up the mil factories. If ukraine conflict does not last as long as estimated, that surplus has to go somewhere.
Kazakhstan offered to supply more oil to Europe a few days ago, and Russia shut down the terminal in retaliation. Now Kazakhstan is looking to decouple itself from Russian infrastructure with America's help.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Kazakhstan-Looks-To-Diversify-Oil-Export-Routes-Away-From-Russia.html
Kazakhstan already has an agreement in place, for years now, to allow oil to be transfered via Azerbaijan. More expensive since the Caspian must be traversed first but better than nothing.
>all heads of state since Berlin Wall Soviet era security nomneklatura
They're even less a 'real country' than Ukraine, as far as Russia is concerned. Central Asian Islamist uprising is clearly the intended Belt & Road counter, not that they aren't bungling it themselves by overextending as it is.
Kazakhstan is a big country, even bigger than Ukraine. It would be pretty hard to totally occupy them without a full-scale mobilization.
It only has half as much population.
Bigger issue is an invasion later, some years after this Ukraine conflict is over, Putin wont forget and if he thinks he can take over Ukraine, well, then he most certainly knows/thinks he will be able to take Kazakhstan.
Guess they are banking on the Russian military machine becoming broke/ineffective which is fair, but they also need to build up their military in a major way during the mean time.