Why doesn’t the United States just become friendly at cost of some concessions with these nuclear powers instead of trying to compete and contain them? The world will end if they are used so why not?
Nukes are too dangerous
Why doesn’t the United States just become friendly at cost of some concessions with these nuclear powers instead of trying to compete and contain them? The world will end if they are used so why not?
The world is a scary place, so in order to avoid the horrible actions that could happen to you, you should have a nice day.
why don't those countries become friendly with the US instead of trying to compete and undercut? the US has the most capable nukes, trying to fight them will fail for sure.
A cornered dog will attack when it has no options left. The US is clearly the strongest nation. The others in a fight would likely result to nuke if they know they will lose anyways.
there are no cornered dogs, every country has the option to choose to get along with the US. committing suicide out of spite is not commendable.
The country as a whole yes but the leadership does not. Leaders like Putin and Kim likely feel cornered by the US.
i don't think they're that stupid. they pretend to be cornered as a negotiating tactic, to pretend that what they do is someone else's fault. i'm glad the US doesn't fall for it.
Both those nations have nuclear weapons and China as a partner so militarily and economically they are secure (North Korea would be economically secure if they weren’t moronic).
None of them fear the US as America only attacks targets which have no possibility of touching the US mainland or seriously challenging American conventional forces.
All they have to do is to not be professional victims about it, no one gives a frick about them until they do dumb shit that pisses everyone off.
The US military is strong but it isn’t so good that it can take on multiple large countries at the same time without the possibility of defeat or unacceptable losses. Just China alone these days could give the US a very difficult time in Taiwan and the situation will only become more unfavorable to the US as time goes on and China continues expanding and modernizing its military. Also in the Cold War it was widely accepted that the US wouldn’t be able to stop a Soviet invasion of Europe with only conventional forces, it would need to resort to nukes. This was baked in to the war plans for defending Europe.
> Gadaffi kebab
> Saddam on a rope
Nobody is ever giving up a (potential) nuclear weapons capability again.
Even if the Russian government turns into Moscow City Council, they'll probably still have a few.
>why don't you just willingly surrender your anus to the gang of armed thugs outside your home?
Because they despise us and want to see us all dead?
My point is not to surrender/attack but to negotiate instead. At the moment we are not getting any where by trying to antagonize them.
What do you mean? The US spent the last three decades negotiating with Russia and they just kept getting more and more genocidal. Now the US flexed their muscles for the first time in years and Russians are dying left and right while Putin has been hiding in his bunker since February. You cannot negotiate with subhumans.
But the US hasn’t done anything except send over some weapons and r*ddit era and both are getting destroyed along with their proxy against a fraction of the Russian military.
Imagine losing two proxy wars on one presidential term.
>against a fraction of the Russian military.
This is it, anon. All Russia could muster. Decades of investment in the military and this is the result; military loss to Ukraine.
Or more like they didn’t need to bare their whole military against a separatist region and from the sounds of Ukraine it seems that fragment of their military is enough as Ukrainian casualties skyrocket.
Cope all you want, but this will end with a Russian victory.
That must be why they are sending t62s.
What’s your explanation for Ukraine sending conscripts lmao. We probably will never get a true number for Ukrainian dead when this is over, but what I know for certain is that Ukraine is finished as a nation. 8 million refugees mostly women and children fled never to return with upwards of a 100k young men dead. It’s over.
Besides it’s always good to use up old equipment. Hate to have it sitting around doing nothing.
lots of cope for 2nd strongest country, vatBlack person shill
Last I checked my horse isn’t dying in the thousands every day, but yours is.
Tell me anon when siversk falls will you cope by claiming you didn’t need it either? What about kramatorsk or slavyansk?
Cope all you want.
>Last I checked my horse isn’t dying in the thousands every day, but yours is.
Whatever helps you sleep.
>my horse isn’t dying in the thousands every day
What's AIDS, ivan?
What’s your explanation for Russia sending conscripts lmao? Or begging Syria for troops? Or for sending t62s? Or the complete lack of actual military accomplishments?
Vast majority of Ukraine untouched. Citizens already returning. Russians seething on PrepHole.
Sounds like you are taking ukro propaganda a little too seriously.
Don’t cry when your meme state continues to get curbed.
It was all over Russian telegrams, and even RT.
yes actually losing moskva and fleeing from snake island was planned and proves that pussia stronk and ukraine loses 100 islands and 10000 ships daily and is finished. Z
There is no negotiating anon, and the only thing people ever respect is power. To use a current example, the reason Ukraine is in the mess they’re in now is because they gave up their stockpile (which was quite significant) in the 90’s on the promise that Russia wouldn’t try any hostile actions against them. Then after all the color revolutions and Crimea/Donetsk and Luhansk in 2014 with the relatively lukewarm Western response, Russia took the opportunity to attack in February thinking nobody cared about them. Diplomacy alone only goes so far, and what was once an ally today may tomorrow be amongst those stabbing you in the back in a moment of weakness. Having the capability to wipe everyone off the map in not even an hour ensures people behave a little more. After all just imagine the 1984 tier conflicts that could have happened had nuclear weapons not humble both the US and the USSR. It would have been a series of forever wars with an entire continent and then some turned into no mans land.
kek
You're either stunningly naive or hilariously insincere.
Perhaps this line of argument gets you some dirty hippy pussy but no one in the real world respects weakness.
Okay lets negotiate then.
USA wants Russia stop being a nuclear threat. So if Russia agrees to destroy its whole nuclear arsenal, then USA will agree to stop arming Russian enemies.
Anything else wont be negotiated before russia has disarmed itself.
How is that different from how the US government and elite see it’s own people?
They need consumers and taxpayers to keep the gravy train going.
Yeah so they replace you with Mexicans and Indians because they work, but won’t revolt.
Thank you Xi very much obliged.
>The world will end if they are used
Go cry a little more you pathetic weakling who probably lives in a """country""" that doesn't even own nukes or uses nuclear power in the first place.
Lemme tell you one thing, bucko: When you are in the position of being the most powerful nation in the history of mankind, you must be willing to destroy everything if it means denying victory to other nations.
>If we can't have it, they sure won't have it!
Also we are not living in the mid-80s anymore. It's not like the US and Russia were pointing 30k+ warheads each at each other.
So stop crying, the world won't end just because a few spicy mushrooms grow in ceratin places.
4:05PM in Moscow right now. Tick Tock, Vanya, shift change in 1 hour, then you can drink another bottle.
Because when the only thing keeping you safe from a country with nukes taking what they want are the nukes of your own, then everyone on the planet would scramble to build them. And then it's just a matter of time untile they go of in some petty conflict
>14,525 nukes
>All nations combined.
That's fricking sad and pathetic.
In 1961 the US alone had 31,255
In 1986 the Soviets had 40,159
All these precious nukes. Dismantled and destroyed for nothing. And still liberal homosexuals want to reduce them even more.
Makes my blood boil.
If you want to own nukes, you must have to balls to own enough nukes to destroy the entire fricking planet forever.
Everything else is like loading a 30-round-mag with 5 rounds because you think 30 would be overkill.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1071026/nuclear-warheads-per-country-historical-development/
If nukes stop existing nothing is stopping the US from roflstomping the other former nuclear powers in conventional war.
In a perfect world only the US would have nukes and skullfrick every butthole-nation like China and Russia if they dare to give someone the stink eye
Isn’t the US military having trouble getting recruits? Even right now they are more of a jobs program or a free university program so if they got into an actual conflict with a similarly sized nation then they would probably run out of guys and sign some meme deal.
... you do realize that even with the current recruiting slump, America's standing military is still 4x larger than the next largest standing military, right?
You're not a total fricking moron who talks out his ass... right?
America has 1.3 million active duty, China has over 2 million. Russia 900k. What are you talking about?
What’s the point of lying like a fricking moron if the information is publicly available?
I say nuke everyone and end it all
Not enough nukes left, sadly.
Could you start another thread but without the ESL?
Nukes don't exist, we should go all in on Russia, invade their land and kill them all
No concessions because that would just lead into more concessions with the same excuse.
Fire the nukes b***h, we will make sure thar you and your country are dead for it.
I dont think nukes even exist. Giant psyop
>why don't we just cuck out and allow other nuclear powers to frick us up the ass? Nukes are bad mmkay so just be a homosexual
hmmm
Why would anyone want to be friends with Russia? They don’t understand what that word means. They only grasp concepts like ‘slave’ and ‘master.’ We will not be their slaves, nor will we permit them to enslave our allies. Russia can accept this or die. There is no middle ground.
What I mean is the US military isn’t exactly popular right now, but if it got thrown into a genuine war with an actual power then nobody would fricking join up because all the people that usually join the military are openly slandered and attacked by the US government and it’s institutions so who exactly will be jumping to die for them?
If they start conscripting then I imagine the fragging will start to get very annoying for the officers.
Yeah I don’t know if anyone cares enough about the US anymore to get hyped about a false flag attack.
Iraq was found not to have done 911 or had WMDs, but they got invaded anyway and everyone got all pissy about it so I don’t think anyone trusts the American government anymore.
>China : 0 nukes deployed
Impressive.
With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. The blessings of Chinese plasma stealth technology, undetectable hypersonic combat vehicles, quantum direct-current electricity, neutrino submarine detectors, gamma titanium mono crystal turbines, quantum aircraft carriers, unmanned autonomous A.I. tanks, near-space ballistic air-to-air missiles, super light tanks, +2km range airburst rifles, quantum enhanced railguns, 5G Remote Surgery, magnetized plasma cannons, and quantum superalloy drones will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
It simply doesn't work out cost/benefit-wise if you consider the actual probability of nuclear weapons being used. The use of nuclear weapons opens up the possibility of existential destruction through retaliatory strikes therefore while deescalation is nice it is still sound reasoning that any hostile moves short of existential destruction (like, say, an invasion of the homeland) is still not enough to justify a nuclear strike in retaliation.
To submit to such practically unactionable threats only encourages further ones therefore one might as well not concede anything to the inhumane demands of nuclear brinkmanship. Also of note only North Korea actually threatens use of nuclear weapons and only does so for political leverage, Russia's government has specifically responded to western concerns over nuclear weapons by restating its defensive use only policy.
frick negotiating with terrorists
Israel never officially confirmed having nukes.
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
The only dangerous nukes are Israeli ones, considering the samson option exists and they're 100% willing to do it.
Why the frick hasn't Israel been forced to disarm.
It does not have nukes officially
Disarm what?
>china
>only 280 nukes
Yeah okay lol
The chinese are cheap and only see nukes as a deterrent. If it works for Israel then why not
That would be nice but Russia does not recognize concept of friendship, and Russian word for peace is the same as for world. And going by Russian behavior world is better off nuked than russian.
when will US surrender nuclear arsenal and disband hato
against Chinese and Russian hyper sonar missile troony Biden redditors stand no chance
make peace and end sanction so family does not starve and petroleum too high expense
The Russian putinbot spam is getting more puke inducing by the day.