Now that the dust has settled, who was right here?
.308 was the clear winner. In the 1950s, .308 and 30-06 had similar performance, but .308 was more efficient. Next thing you know, 30-06 got mogged by .300 WinMag
>.308 was the clear winner. In the 1950s, .308 and 30-06 had similar performance, but .308 was more efficient. Next thing you know, 30-06 got mogged by .300 WinMag
/thread
In South Africa, the .308 is on the higher end of plains cartridges - that being rounds for hunting past 200m. Conversely .30-06 is for highveld hunting where the bush is thick so you need something thats not going to be deflected by small twigs and shit and is more forgiving as you usually dont get much choice with shot placement.
Honestly though, .308 is really kind of big for a plains cartridge - .243 or .264 (6.5 sneed) is better.
They're both very well rounded cartridges. .308 has the edge in self loading rifles, while .30-06 provides increased versatility for reloaders and a little more muzzle velocity. Both of them offer long case life, mild recoil and enough energy to take any game in north america.
Absolutely, happens every year. Just need to use the right bullet& make sure you know at what range your projectile will reliably expand. Hell, a bunch of elk hunters I know are switching to 6.5Creed.
Picture related
30-06 may be the greatest rifle cartridge ever designed
With the right handloads it'll match a lot of 300WM loads
Caliber is compensation. I wouldn't recommend 308 for elk for someone without a lot of experience. But for someone with a lot of experience ya 308 is fine.
>With the right handloads it'll match a lot of 300WM loads
Same as the 'if you load 45 super it'll match 10mm' meme.
Yeah, but the point is that you shouldn't shoot bubbas pissin' hot handloads in just any .30-06 rifle or .45 pistol. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Get a .300WM or 10mm and benefit from commercial full power loads. If I'm gonna be hunting Elk size game or larger I'd rather just have a rifle chambered in .300 than frick around with loading 'comparable' .30-06. I took this moose with an off-the-shelf Hornady GMX at 366 yards. Get with the times gramps.
>Get with the times gramps >advocating 300WM
Getting with the times would be switching to either 300PRC or 6.5Creed. 300WM has been outdated since about the year of our Lord 2000. And before you say 6.5Creed lacks the power to kill elk and moose, I will again point to picture related
https://i.imgur.com/LN1OAFL.jpg
Absolutely, happens every year. Just need to use the right bullet& make sure you know at what range your projectile will reliably expand. Hell, a bunch of elk hunters I know are switching to 6.5Creed.
Picture related
[...]
With the right handloads it'll match a lot of 300WM loads
and tell you that it is entirely a skill issue and a matter of proper projectile selection
Nice moose, by the way. I dig the funky prong on the left antler. How long did that keep your freezer full?
Again, if we're talking big game then it's a skill issue. See picrel
https://i.imgur.com/LN1OAFL.jpg
Absolutely, happens every year. Just need to use the right bullet& make sure you know at what range your projectile will reliably expand. Hell, a bunch of elk hunters I know are switching to 6.5Creed.
Picture related
[...]
With the right handloads it'll match a lot of 300WM loads
3 months ago
Anonymous
You can kill big game with a 22lr, too. Git guud, son.
3 months ago
Anonymous
yawn
3 months ago
Anonymous
Skill issue.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I'll just repeat the thing you said originally
okay kiddo
>And before you say 6.5Creed lacks the power to kill elk and moose,
It's not that it lacks the power, it's about the ability to ensure a humane kill even if you frick up a little bit. You can say skill issue or whatever all you want, but that solid copper projectile punched a hole all the way through that monster and dropped him right where he stood, even though I fricked up and missed the heart. Yeah, skill issue, but I didn't have a laser rangefinder and I'm not an experienced moose hunter so I underestimated the size of the animal and elevated for about 200 yards. If I'd been using something with less energy than my 300 I'm not convinced it wouldn't have run off wounded. Instead I shattered it's shoulder completely.
Anyway, I was happy with the result and I very glad I wasn't using any less rifle. Margin for error matters. It kept me eating moose for two full years, and my dad had it mounted.
[...]
Caliber is compensation. I wouldn't recommend 308 for elk for someone without a lot of experience. But for someone with a lot of experience ya 308 is fine.
That said, .30-40 Krag and 6.5x55 were popular for elk in the US and moose in Scandinavia for years, while .303 Brit was a popular cartridge for both in Canada. A lot of elk nowadays are taken with 6mm-7mm cartridges, though some of these are magnums. A .308 is a fine elk cartridge if you at least somewhat know what you're doing.
I have taken impala with 300win, without any meaningful damage. Modern rifles weight almost the same between magnums and normal actions. I just don't really know why I wouldn't use win mag.
.308, offers a ~20% reduction in size (both in length, and in volume) at the cost of only about a ~10% loss in power.
.30-06 is as long as a .300winmag.
Whole reason for the .30-06 to 7.62 NATO change was because powder advancements meant you could get the exact same power and ballistic profile out of a lighter, shorter cartridge. Granted, that only really applies to military standard ammo, you can still comfortably bubbaload a .30-06 round a fair bit hotter these days.
Black person
Both are too strong.
30 cal intermediate cartridges are the pinnacle of rifles
Are you gay?
.308 was the clear winner. In the 1950s, .308 and 30-06 had similar performance, but .308 was more efficient. Next thing you know, 30-06 got mogged by .300 WinMag
>.308 was the clear winner. In the 1950s, .308 and 30-06 had similar performance, but .308 was more efficient. Next thing you know, 30-06 got mogged by .300 WinMag
/thread
Both of them are too wide relative to the amount of power they put out. .25-'06 is best -'06, and .243 is the best -08.
You have it backwards homie, also Hitlerdubs checked
>25-'06 is best -'06
Preach, brother
>243 is the best -08
If you're into handloading then 7-08 is the supreme -08 cartridge
get new material, wtard
.308 for win
In South Africa, the .308 is on the higher end of plains cartridges - that being rounds for hunting past 200m. Conversely .30-06 is for highveld hunting where the bush is thick so you need something thats not going to be deflected by small twigs and shit and is more forgiving as you usually dont get much choice with shot placement.
Honestly though, .308 is really kind of big for a plains cartridge - .243 or .264 (6.5 sneed) is better.
.30-06 for hunting large game.
.308 is alright for humans and slightly smaller game.
So, both.
They're both very well rounded cartridges. .308 has the edge in self loading rifles, while .30-06 provides increased versatility for reloaders and a little more muzzle velocity. Both of them offer long case life, mild recoil and enough energy to take any game in north america.
Can 308 reliably take down elk and moose?
Absolutely, happens every year. Just need to use the right bullet& make sure you know at what range your projectile will reliably expand. Hell, a bunch of elk hunters I know are switching to 6.5Creed.
Picture related
With the right handloads it'll match a lot of 300WM loads
Caliber is compensation. I wouldn't recommend 308 for elk for someone without a lot of experience. But for someone with a lot of experience ya 308 is fine.
damn I gotta get on that elk hunt
I could live for a year off one of those
>With the right handloads it'll match a lot of 300WM loads
Same as the 'if you load 45 super it'll match 10mm' meme.
Yeah, but the point is that you shouldn't shoot bubbas pissin' hot handloads in just any .30-06 rifle or .45 pistol. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Get a .300WM or 10mm and benefit from commercial full power loads. If I'm gonna be hunting Elk size game or larger I'd rather just have a rifle chambered in .300 than frick around with loading 'comparable' .30-06. I took this moose with an off-the-shelf Hornady GMX at 366 yards. Get with the times gramps.
>'if you load 45 super it'll match 10mm'
Only if you're moronic. .45 Super will exceed 10mm with plenty of headroom to spare.
>Get with the times gramps
>advocating 300WM
Getting with the times would be switching to either 300PRC or 6.5Creed. 300WM has been outdated since about the year of our Lord 2000. And before you say 6.5Creed lacks the power to kill elk and moose, I will again point to picture related
and tell you that it is entirely a skill issue and a matter of proper projectile selection
Nice moose, by the way. I dig the funky prong on the left antler. How long did that keep your freezer full?
Sneedmore is a plinking round.
Again, if we're talking big game then it's a skill issue. See picrel
You can kill big game with a 22lr, too. Git guud, son.
yawn
Skill issue.
>I'll just repeat the thing you said originally
okay kiddo
.17 HMR is all you need
>And before you say 6.5Creed lacks the power to kill elk and moose,
It's not that it lacks the power, it's about the ability to ensure a humane kill even if you frick up a little bit. You can say skill issue or whatever all you want, but that solid copper projectile punched a hole all the way through that monster and dropped him right where he stood, even though I fricked up and missed the heart. Yeah, skill issue, but I didn't have a laser rangefinder and I'm not an experienced moose hunter so I underestimated the size of the animal and elevated for about 200 yards. If I'd been using something with less energy than my 300 I'm not convinced it wouldn't have run off wounded. Instead I shattered it's shoulder completely.
Anyway, I was happy with the result and I very glad I wasn't using any less rifle. Margin for error matters. It kept me eating moose for two full years, and my dad had it mounted.
>6.5 mememoor
Why do people force this meme round so hard
It's good for birds like grouse, but it's borderline inhumane for moose
this. Anyone hunting Moose with less than .458WM should be flayed alive for animal cruelty
See:
That said, .30-40 Krag and 6.5x55 were popular for elk in the US and moose in Scandinavia for years, while .303 Brit was a popular cartridge for both in Canada. A lot of elk nowadays are taken with 6mm-7mm cartridges, though some of these are magnums. A .308 is a fine elk cartridge if you at least somewhat know what you're doing.
I have taken impala with 300win, without any meaningful damage. Modern rifles weight almost the same between magnums and normal actions. I just don't really know why I wouldn't use win mag.
Scandis today overwhelmingly use .308 for moose
30-06 may be the greatest rifle cartridge ever designed
308 Win with 1:10 twist > 30-06 with 1:10 (standard twist) > 308 with 1:12 twist
I would also love a 1:8 twist 308 for the woods, I think some Euro manufacturers have them.
.308 .30-06 was a utter shitshow that killed 2 objectively superior cartridges (6mm Lee-Navy, .270 Peterson) due to Army moronation.
Size doesn't matter bro. It's how you use it
>t. me on the left 🙁
.270
LOL, imagine paying double for half an inch extra brass!
Vid related is your average 30-06 fud before going out to hunt durr:
the government gets more than enough performance using less resources, space, and weight. this is a bean counter round
Ok, show me a 30-06 AR10 that can go more than a few rounds without stove piping.
30-06 does the job it was intended to do.
.308 does the same job but is a failure at what it was actually supposed to do.
The US Army is moronic.
.308, offers a ~20% reduction in size (both in length, and in volume) at the cost of only about a ~10% loss in power.
.30-06 is as long as a .300winmag.
Whole reason for the .30-06 to 7.62 NATO change was because powder advancements meant you could get the exact same power and ballistic profile out of a lighter, shorter cartridge. Granted, that only really applies to military standard ammo, you can still comfortably bubbaload a .30-06 round a fair bit hotter these days.