I think so. The M4, which could shoot hundreds of bullets a minute, was of course a shorter and lighter version of Colt's licenced M16 rifle -- first used almost 60 years ago during the Vietnam War. At about $1,500 apiece, the M4 was overpriced. It jammed too often in sandy environments like Iraq, and required far more maintenance than more durable carbines.
M4s cost like 600, DoD aren't paying civilian prices. Everything requires more maintenance in the desert, CLP in literally everything. You are gay and your thread is gay.
>Everything requires more maintenance in the desert, CLP in literally everything
It seems my superiority has caused some controversy
>tourist has to use stock images because he doesn't own an AK or an AR
Grim.
I'm not bothering to take pictures for 4chins
can't take pictures of what you don't have
I really hit a nerve there
Sorry, only people who own guns can hit my nerves.
>s-sorry... o-only...
Frick of gay
Now say it without crying, war tourist.
AK is shit. The manufacturing logistics are bad and the amount of resources to just arm the soviet union with it was too much. Soviets lost cold war because of over spending on defence and the AK was part of the issue.
Of course, it's (crude slav) shit. But that motherfricker just keep running with absolute bottom of the barrel non-existant maintenance in extreme conditions. It's so shit that it becomes almost ingenius... But I was just fricking around anyways
Cope
Yeah I don't see the point in buying an expensive M4 as a civilian when you can build an AR-15 for like 300-400 or buy one very cheaply.
An AR/AK with a thermal optic, including an M4, is devastating in a night operation against conventional infantry with, at most, NV monocles/goggles and standard rifle optics.
Affordable as well if you choose a clip over a full thermal optic.
Commercialization and mass production of NV equipment means guerrillas can own the night as well.
Even more devastating is a modern AR-10 with similar attachments.
Not only can you own the night, you can engage the enemy from beyond their effective rifle range, and consistently penetrate armor with 308 AP rounds.
But a brand new full price AR-10 in the USA is like 800-900 at the cheapest as far as I'm aware. Might be able to save money getting one used or building one. If you build it yourself, the ATF will not even register it on their books.
Jesus christ this is such a nogunz ass post. Where are you morons coming from?
You're a massive poser
>get called out as a nogunz larper
>"n-no you"
every time
>you can engage the enemy from beyond their effective rifle range
You're not engaging shit at 500+
>consistently penetrate armor with 308 AP rounds
a.) you don't have AP rounds
b.) 7.62x51 AP doesn't penetrate IV plates or even some III+ which is what most people buy these days
>wet lube
>desert
You were never anywhere near a desert, moron.
Holy Christ what year is it? It feels like 2008 all over again.
This thread shows you seem to know frick all about this platform
I agree. This dumbass apparently never heard the quote "Your weapon was made by the lowest bidder"
Goodenuf and sunk cost fallacy works great in the real world much to beancounters chagrin.
America has been using outdated weapons, outdated tech, outdated fitness standards, and outdated strategy for over 75 years.
The moment the South China sea goes hot, we're getting our shit pushed in so hard our breath will smell like Chinese noodles for the next 700 years. Which is embarrassing, since China is so gay and so weak, they could be defeated Gulf War style in less than 72 hours if our military wasn't the most incompetent in the known galaxy.
Or more likely they'll be proven to be moronic and everything they have to be made of duct tape and cardboard like Russia.
Thats what the russians said before getting pushed in Ukraine.
WWIII in China will go something like this:
>China chimps out and invades taiwan
>US green berets and CIA glowBlack folk instigate an uprising in Hong Kong/Xianggang and attempt a land invasion in Nanking.
>30 million Chinese people dead
>stray bullet kills american SOF.
>the US pulls out, claims victory, the uprising is quelled, and taiwan is fricked.
>30 million chinese people dead
This happens when you so much as sneeze in china
The Russians I thought were tough, but are we really meant to be scared of the chinese? A bunch of malnourished manlets armed with keyhole-o-matics. People seem to apply a bunch of stereotypes from Japan or Vietnam to them about them being unstoppable fanatical murderers, but I can’t really see china as much more than a country of savvy merchants and people clever at making things, led by evil morons
Are Chinese guns really that bad? I heard people talk good about there AK's and 1911 clones.
No, there was a video of them training with plastic bullets or whatever because they were shooting close quarters with a questionable backstop. The plastic projectiles were tumbling but that doesn't mean their guns keyhole. They export a lot of guns to Canada still and no one is complaining about keyholing.
They export to Europe too and it's hit or miss.
Mostly 1911s, M4 semi clones, SVD (NDM-86) and M14s.
And like, they shoot, and mostly group within expectations, but their parts breakage is fricking terrible and the sizes of their parts vary even between individual batches (there's a 0% chance a "drop in" AR part will work on a Norinco without fitting).
China doesn't have the logistics chain figured out to fight. They have an aircraft with a ramp on it ffs. Whenever I see people suck chingaling I just assume its someone who watches too much Diehard
why would Russia get involved in a war in the SCS?
oh, you were referring to America? Hang on, my sides just got pinged by a patriot battery as they achieved escape velocity.
The military itself is gaygified and only a moron would believe in conventional warfare at this point.
A lot of these countries are more shit than most people want to admit; You wanna put your life in the hands of incompetent fricks, that says more about you than it does them
It will be a good enough service rifle in the year 2100
Fully disagree. The m4 is a light handy carbine with decent accuracy at longer ranges and ideal for the rather close urban conditions in Iraq. In Afghan it’s debatable but at those ranges, only battle rifles and machine guns would’ve been effective so having any other comparative carbine or assault rifle wouldn’t have mattered.
It’s also not as unreliable as you make it sound, it’s the desert. Even the tank of a weapon that is the FAL struggled in the desert. And frankly the m4 isn’t that bad, keep it lubed, keep the dust cover closed and a magazine in, and you should be just fine. Sure it’s maybe not as reliable as the AK, but it’s also not an overgassed piece of shit that kicks hard as frick for what’s basically .300 blackout lmao
Unlubed runs better in desert
>caps flip up
This rustles my jimmies
>Colt's licenced [sic] M16 rifle
Colt's Mfg. owned the rights to the AR-15 (Colt 601) and eventually licensed it to GM (Hydramatic Div.) and H&R
>first used almost 60 years ago during the Vietnam War
It's been over 60 years now, dip wad– the AR-15 was deployed in 1962 at the latest (Project AGILE)
And the M68 is too far rearward
The M16 was first deployed in 1964 right? I guess we can split hairs to make me wrong but let's focus on the big picture.
You making a distinction between the AR-15 and M16 is splitting hairs, the Colt 601 was equipped amongst American advisors, black operations, and allies in Vietnam years before the battle of la Drang Valley
I'll spill the beans. I stole the quote from a dead guy and made some edits.
>I stole the quote from a dead guy
Sauce my shit up, f a m
I may have mislead you, he was a senator who only died rather recently. Tom Coburn. Not very saucy.
I looked into it, that quote is from 2008 lmao
He claims there are "more durable carbines", but didn't give an example.
>$1,500 apiece, the M4 was overpriced
But then the Military awarded FN the new M4 contracts for $900 a unit or less, the Individual Carbine programme (SCAR/ACR/HK416) died and Colt's got BTFO in court after suing the Government for ending their relationship
>birdcage is on sideways
kek, reminds me of when I bought my colt sling loop and initially didn't know which way to put it on, and upon searching it up found veterans arguing over it because the armorers didn't give a frick and put them on both ways
The duck hunter camo era of the Vietnam war is fricking cool.
The dust will never settle because guys like you will never shut the frick up because you need attention
guess that's why it comes with a dust cover
>It jammed too often in sandy environments like Iraq
That’s why the Middle East and NATO members are all adopting the AR-15 platform communist larping redditor? Even China adopted the AR-15 platform.
Now that the dust has settled, battle rifles are not all that critical to winning or losing wars, but consumers can afford toys which resemble them so they can play soldier.
A weapon need not be ideal and every engineering design is a compromise because engineering itself is an art of compromise. Rifles do not win or lose modern wars. M4 works well enough. Other systems do most of the killing and will do more of it because explosives are better than bullets which are mostly for suppression fire.
How is a 70 year old model justified?
Defense has scrapped billion dollar engineering projects. We're fighting wars with weather, killer robots, bioweapons, dynamic algorithms.
We're still blowing $1500 on some machined steel.
>Now that the dust has settled, was the M4 a mistake?
No. We're going to see M4's on Mars.
Since bayonets and bayonet training isn't a thing anymore and every new military acquisition is doing away with the bayonet lug we should upgrade the M4's gas system to mid length and improve the handguard to M-lok. If you really want to be a boomer and insist a bayonet must be on the gun rail adapters exist now piss off.
M4's on mars.
this reads like gpt3
>it's another episode of "third worlder OP asks a question and then answers himself using videogame and wikipedia knowledge"
KYS mongoloid.
This.
The original quote was from senator in 2008
It most probably is.
It most probably isn't, it was already discussed in the thread. It is from an interview with the late senator Tom Coburn, back in 2008:
>"What we have is a fat contractor in Colt who's gotten very rich off our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan," says Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.
>The M4, which can shoot hundreds of bullets a minute, is a shorter and lighter version of the company's M16 rifle first used 40 years ago during the Vietnam War. At about $1,500 apiece, the M4 is overpriced, according to Coburn. It jams too often in sandy environments like Iraq, he adds, and requires far more maintenance than more durable carbines.
There's not much difference between the 2, main thing being
>M16 uses .223
>M4 uses 5.56
If you want a short barrel with 5.56, get a fricking bullpup.
>short barrel
>bullpup
Care to give that another go once you recover from the stroke?
You sound like a gay and your shit's all moronic
Now that the dust has settled, was OP's mother not getting an abortion a mistake?
I think so. OP, which could lose hundreds of brain cells a minute, was of course a shorter and fatter version of his father -- one of McNamara's Morons, first used almost 60 years ago during the Vietnam War. At about $1.50 apiece, OP was overpriced. It jammed sandy environments like Iraq into its ass often, and required far more maintenance than more durable anons.
Didn't read thread.
M4 is the local maxima of service rifle technology when all factors including cost are considered.
Some inherent flaws of the AR-15 magazine include:
1. Feed Lip Issues: The feed lips, which guide the rounds into the firearm's chamber, can sometimes wear out or become damaged over time. This can result in feeding issues and malfunctions.
2. Spring Fatigue: The magazine's spring can fatigue over extended use, causing it to lose tension and potentially resulting in feeding issues or failure to properly chamber rounds.
3. Weak Follower Design: The follower, which pushes the rounds up from the magazine and into the chamber, can be prone to tilting or getting stuck. This can lead to misfeeds and malfunctions.
4. Susceptibility to Dirt and Debris: The design of the AR-15 magazine makes it more susceptible to dirt, debris, and fouling. This can increase the likelihood of malfunctions if the magazine is not properly maintained and cleaned.
5. Magazine Insertion Difficulty: Inserting a fully loaded AR-15 magazine can sometimes be challenging due to the design and tight tolerances. This can be particularly problematic in high-stress situations where quick and effortless reloads are crucial.
There are a few malfunctions related to bullet interacting with the feed lips in AR-15 magazines. One common issue is called "nose dive," where the bullet fails to feed properly and gets wedged against the front of the magazine instead of sliding smoothly into the chamber. This can be caused by feed lips that are too narrow or misaligned. Another issue is when the bullet nose catches on the edge of the feed lips during feeding, causing a failure to feed or a jam. This can happen if the feed lips are too wide or if there are burrs or rough edges on them. These malfunctions can be resolved by ensuring the feed lips are properly manufactured and maintained, and by using quality ammunition that is within proper specifications.
Holy shit what a moronic post.
Improper loading of ammunition in AR-15 magazines can lead to various malfunctions. Some common issues include failure to feed, double feeding, stovepiping (failure to eject), and magazine over-compression. Failure to feed occurs when the round fails to enter the chamber properly, resulting in a jam or failure to fire. Double feeding happens when the magazine feeds multiple rounds at once, causing a malfunction. Stovepiping refers to a spent casing getting caught in the ejection port instead of being ejected properly. Magazine over-compression occurs when the magazine spring is compressed too much, leading to feeding issues. These malfunctions can be avoided by ensuring proper ammunition seating, using magazines with appropriate tension, and maintaining the magazines in good condition.
Yes, there can be an issue with AR-15 magazine malfunctions when bullets are pointing diagonally on the follower. This can lead to feeding issues and cause the firearm to malfunction. It is important to ensure that ammunition is properly seated in the magazine and that the magazine itself is in good condition to avoid any potential malfunctions.
The list goes on…
You might as well make this post "inherent flaws of all detachable magazines" and start over. But remove the magazine insertion difficulty since it's far easier on the AR-15 than almost every other rifle.
Thanks anon, this information will be useful in the maintenance of our weapons.
Nice ai post
Haha
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C7 worked just fine.
wrong barrel length
16 inch
if you need shorter, use the stock like OP's pic or hike it over your shoulder like the crayon eaters did clearing houses in Iraq with 20 inchers
>the ideal barrel length just happens to coincide with the minimum legally accepted one :^*~~
Holy mother of cucked
its the max compromise for 5.56 without it becoming a football field tier gun that has trouble disabling skinnies chewing spicy dip
Mk12s were cut down to 16 inches
Such a failure that every military in the west is switching to a variant of it
The M16 just looks cooler. The M16 is the gun for a white operator who isn't fricking around. He could be wearing shirt & tie or camo, but he means business.
>The M16 is the gun for a white operator who isn't fricking around.
t. PFC Ramirez
" now that the dust is settled" is this some fricking zoomer specific saying? I swear to God theres hundreds of fricking threads with the same fricking saying over and over and fricking over.
It's a pretty good platform I prefer the AK though it's a very good moduler platform, very adaptable. I'm old school but I prefer old rifles and battle rifles more but it's a very good gun
>AK
>modular
I take it you don't actually own one.
why the frick would I care what ChatGPT regurgitates about an assault rifle?
moron who thinks everything is Chatgbt
$1500 a piece
lol wut? My hand receipt in the arms room had the valued at ~$620 a rifle. Less than the M9s.
Fuuuuck no. It did and is still serving its purpose and role admirably, to the tune of having taken over as the right arm of the free and unfree, of the first and the third world. It has become the world's rifle the way the AK used to be.
Design the next service rifle based off of the ar platform, go
>Polymer case souped up 5.56 (steel core 62gr at 3800)
>16in medium profile barrel
>Mid length mlok rail
>E3 cuts/fluting in chamber
>Either direct impingement or look into modernized tappet system
AKs jam more and fall apart quicker, I was firing one once at full auto and it just rattled itself apart and the dust cover even fell off.
I fired an old M16A1 from the Vietnam war period full auto and it ran like a dream, no rattles, no loose parts, all in fine working condition, both had been left in a garage for decades. same environment, same amount of time, same weather, and the AK lost its shit way faster. Its just a shitty commie piece of metal with some crappy plywood, give it up already. The M16 and the M4 were designed by some of the best weapons designers on earth.