No western MBT is dogshit, even the previous generations are far superior to anything that comes out of Russia. Imagine not having a Thermal gun sight lmao
>this is dog shit
The only flaw with Leopard 2s is the storage of spare ammo next to the driver, instead of just safely placing all the ammo in the rear of the turret.
nah its calle TIPS they Just require a stupid a mount of heat to ignite meaning they can only be fired by the primer and not from heat penetration or spall
It doesn't. Magical non-exploding ammo is pure cope.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Huh, the "Leo blown up by Turkish AF after being abandoned" - cope, haven't seen that one in a while.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nta but it wasn't blown up by the Turkish airforce anon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The Leo in the back has the number 526, it was accounted for being immobilised by a mine/IED according to the list of turkish army. Does this tank look like it has been just immobilised or does it look like it had been bombed?
Seriously, vatBlack folk, there is always the same debate in every god damn thread the moment this
https://i.imgur.com/grDhbTa.jpg
It doesn't. Magical non-exploding ammo is pure cope.
picture gets posted.
Is it even posted by different people or is it alwas the same fricking vatBlack person? Because it fricking looks and sounds like it's always the same fricking idiot trying to force his false narrative into becoming consensu.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not a vatBlack person and I'm not being disingenuous about the Leopard I'm simply telling you the Turkish AF didn't bomb that Leopard. I have a source of every Turkish airstrike in Al-Bab, please don't mistake me for a dirty Russian cocmsucking tramp ever again.
The tank was disabled by a mine then blown up by ISIS with an IED, I was simply trying to stop the spread of the Turkish airforce bombing abandoned Leopards. It never happened.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, you have a source of every turkish airstrike in Al-bab? That's a new one.
Would you look at that, it's over a year, no one heard this bullshit before, but here you are.
Sure.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It's been over a year
It's been 6 years since that specific Leopard was destroyed. I will stop trying to educate you now as its clear you are a complete moron and thinks one (1) year is the same as six (6) years.
Infact I just had a thought, it HAS been just over a year since Russia invaded Ukraine! Ohhhh I get it you mixed up your shilling script! You dumb frick, Russia is an abhorrent shit hole your jnvasion has been an utter shambles and has created laughable material for many many years to come.
IMAGINE running out of fuel on your first offensive and just walking around on the highway drunk selling yourself to pay for gas or blowing your friend in a building then getting droned. Kek sad.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's been over a year since the moron started to spam this specific picture every other month.
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/M7PrcJoyPMsW3g8GpM7DaA/
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nope that's been hear for ages
11 months ago
Anonymous
Stop playing dumb, i'm talking over this specific picture with that image hash. Scroll down and look at when this picture with that image hash was posted for the first time.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Specific image with this specific hash
Are you some kind of severe fricking autist? I've posted that picture before myself in 2021 it's not new. The conflict was 6 years ago stop back tracking on stupid shit you said on a topic you clearly know frick all about. >T-turkish air force b-blew it up r r reddit told me
The state of you
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes,this specific image with that specific image hash, which was first time posted on /k/ at the start of May 2022. Do you finally get what exactly was meant with over a year ago?
>T-turkish air force b-blew it up r r reddit told me
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2017/02/12/battle-al-bab-verifying-turkish-military-vehicle-losses/ >One of the Leopards has been identified as the the one lsited with number plate 195 526. >or due to a Turkish airstrike on the tank to destroy abandoned equipment.
195 526 is listed as "EID/Mine attack" and since it wasn't an ATGM according to that list only the air strike option remains.
Btw you haven't posted a single source at all, also not your super source of all air-strikes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Specific image hash >A year ago
Your post wasn't specific to what you are saying now you just said the image that moron posted don't have an autism rage about it. Saying "that picture" which would be interperated by anyone normal as just the same image isn't specific at all so please do your mental health a favour and shut the frick up.
>Leopard in the back ground hit by mine 526
OK never disputed that >since it wasn't atgm
What? The tank in question with the front of the hull missing could 100% have been hit with an atgm you even missed that bit out in your green text >Two destroyed Leopard 2A4 tanks and a ZPT west of al-Bab, Syria. The tank hull of the tank in the foreground has been disintegrated, suggesting it was an internal explosion. The Leopard 2A4 has an ammunition rack at the left side of the driver, where the hull is destroyed in this photo. This can be either due to an anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) or due to a Turkish airstrike on the tank to destroy abandoned equipment. (Photo by IS media wing). >According to that list only air strike remains
Again what? Why would they airstrike a tank that hasn't been immobilised yet? You haven't addressed the initial hit which could have literally been anything, but the end result was the same the Turkish airforce didn't blow it up.
Let's spoon feed your tourist ass. >1. Why would the Turks air strike that specific tank but not the other 3 ISIS had, intact for over a week before they blew them up on video for propaganda?
Why would they not hit them all anon? Could it be they didn't hit any like I said? >2. Turkish airstrikes in Al-Bab
This is a big one, Turkish Air Strikes had to be well documented because they weren't the only Air force operating in support of the Al-Bab operation. Russia was directly supporting them too as was the US providing Air cover. >3. Here is the geolocation for every Turkish airstrike in Al-Bab over lay it with the position of the two Leopards and Cobra
11 months ago
Anonymous
Cont.
If you need help with map work the 2 Leopards and Cobra are situated between strikes 2 and 5 on the main road.
It was easy to disprove the airstrike theory with this picrel alone without the need for the airstrike Geolocations. Why would Turkey let them parade around on the Nice 2a4s instead of airstriking them? Why would they only airstrike that one specific tank your talking about?
It's simple, they didn't.
Apologise for your lack of knowledge and if you would like to know more and see images you havent seen before of said Leopards or the Air Strikes say please and I will post them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/xaDYd4J.jpg
Cont.
If you need help with map work the 2 Leopards and Cobra are situated between strikes 2 and 5 on the main road.
It was easy to disprove the airstrike theory with this picrel alone without the need for the airstrike Geolocations. Why would Turkey let them parade around on the Nice 2a4s instead of airstriking them? Why would they only airstrike that one specific tank your talking about?
It's simple, they didn't.
Apologise for your lack of knowledge and if you would like to know more and see images you havent seen before of said Leopards or the Air Strikes say please and I will post them.
Kek Based knower. Nta but what other images do you have?
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/xaDYd4J.jpg
Cont.
If you need help with map work the 2 Leopards and Cobra are situated between strikes 2 and 5 on the main road.
It was easy to disprove the airstrike theory with this picrel alone without the need for the airstrike Geolocations. Why would Turkey let them parade around on the Nice 2a4s instead of airstriking them? Why would they only airstrike that one specific tank your talking about?
It's simple, they didn't.
Apologise for your lack of knowledge and if you would like to know more and see images you havent seen before of said Leopards or the Air Strikes say please and I will post them.
>Your post wasn't specific
You mean contradicting to
Nta but it wasn't blown up by the Turkish airforce anon.
? >What? The tank in question with the front of the hull missing could 100% have been hit with an atgm you even missed that bit out in your green text
Oh, so your now not too ashamed anymore to just openly go with the vatnik narrative for the other tank? Btw you missed the part where i specifically said: since it wasn't an ATGM according to that list >3. Here is the Geolocation for every Turkish airstrike
Picture says: geolocated air strikes
It's not saying all air strikes or if all are accounted for. >tourist ass.
Funny as in i'm hearing your bullshit for the first time and i watched a lot of these "discussions" in the past years.
11 months ago
Anonymous
My guy just stop with the cope you lost. >Funny as I'm hearing your shit for the first time
Yes that's because this discussion is 6 years old and was completed then, your new so you weren't aware. It's It's just stop with the aggressive autism, it isn't needed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>i won, because i just won, okay? stop questioning it
You lost. Your source just covers geo located air strikes, which doesn't mean there aren't more. Do you understand this? I
>Yes that's because this discussion is 6 years old and was completed then, your new so you weren't aware.
I'm well aware how there is an never ending stream of vatBlack person idiots, who come up with new cope even years after a discussion was finished and start janking and pulling at the consensus like the little shill shits they are.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Your source doesn't cover all airstrikes
Lmao what fricking cope. Its all of them in the Al-Bab region. >VatBlack person cope
Are you for real? If it was vatnig cope I would be shilling them being taken out with *insert russian atgm here* you fricking imbecile.
It's hilarious how new you are. You can't handle a source of geo located air strikes nor images of isis with working Leopards that could be hit with an airstrike but aren't. Your moronic, Autistic and new as frick.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Its all of them in the Al-Bab region.
Where does it actually say that? Where?
>Are you for real? If it was vatnig cope
We know this cope, it's always the same old game of endless compromises until the actual aimed for goal is reached. >It's hilarious how new you are.
Get a new script, shill.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It was easy to btfo you. The image is from 25th of Febuary 2 days after the Al Bab operation had finished and when those Leopards were already destroyed. I'm sorry you had to be publicly shamed to learn from your betters.
Would you like to know more about 2A4s in Syria? Like what ammo caused the detonation etc images of it? More air strikes?
Have you ever thought about how they won't proudly show 5 videos of them blow up their own shit they had to leave behind?
What worse than this image or the video of ISIS crashing into it with a vbied? Don't be dumb anon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Well, ISIS posted an embarrassing video for Turkey, so why would Turkey not release more embarrassing videos about themselves?
This doesn't contradict what i said in
Have you ever thought about how they won't proudly show 5 videos of them blow up their own shit they had to leave behind?
and the way you are replying with evasive and aggressive nonsense already shows what kind of a person you are. You sound like the kind of guy who thinks he won many arguments by the other person giving up on wasting their time with him and just leaving.
11 months ago
Anonymous
US and the UK admit they destroy vehicles to stop them falling into enemies hands, Turkey would too why wouldn't they? Its much less embarresing to say you destroyed them to stop images like I posted happen. How hard is that for you to comprehend?
Yes and more is to come.
[...]
Yes, you lost. You have no source saying these are actually all the air strikes in the region. Makes me wonder how much more stuff you said has errors when you just start to scratch the surface like with this one.
I just gave you the image it has the source in the image, it's from 25th Feb 2017 . Your coping so fricking hard man all because you can't admit the Turks didn't airstrike the Leopard? What gives did your dad abandon that tank?
It's pretty straight forward, the Turks would have said if they destroyed the tank but they didn't, your reasoning for them destroying the tank to avoid it falling into enemy hands is mooted by the images of multiple 2a4s in ISIS hands add that with the image I posted AFTER the Al Bab assault of all the airstrikes geolocated and it paints the bigger picture.
Here is a still of the Leopard and bulldozer in the hospital grounds that were captured intact being blown up on propaganda video, why weren't they hit with an airstrike anon? You simple c**t lmao
Such a strike on a Leopard would have been readily documented and likely leaked with the losses/causes and dates table on bellingcat.
Face it, your a loser who second guesses if oxygen exists because you can't see it. Cope seethe dilate tourist.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Then show us where it says in the source that these are all air strikes there and not just the ones that a) where released to begin and b) geo located. More coping and seething or blogposting isn't going to change that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Uh oh looks like we've got a terminal coper
11 months ago
Anonymous
Projections are funny and all, but it doesn't really change the fact how your source doesn't actually show what you claim.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Copelord
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's how it ends? Your source turns out to not actually say it covers all air strikes and all you can do now is produce bot replies.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Coping
11 months ago
Anonymous
>loses argument >can't back up his claims >could only pretend he can and hoped no one notices >now desperately tries to at least have the last word
11 months ago
Anonymous
Your still coping huh
11 months ago
Anonymous
>you still winning, huh?
Yes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Leopard 2 in gelbbraun >Rommel's face in heaven when
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/Czj800Z.jpg
Anon, Leopard 2 is a mediocre tank that only got popular due to aggressive shilling and FRG exercising the economic and political leverages over the small European countries. Once the field is even, the superior construction prevails.
Same (autist) poster?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, I'm the one posting archived stuff
11 months ago
Anonymous
Have you ever thought about how they won't proudly show 5 videos of them blow up their own shit they had to leave behind?
11 months ago
Anonymous
kek, the pidor went really quiet after you posted this. Gonna steal your source for the next time this wiener gobbler shows up.
11 months ago
Anonymous
This aged badly, there are 2 detailed posts above yours are you deluded or blind?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe actually look at the tbharchive link in
It's been over a year since the moron started to spam this specific picture every other month.
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/M7PrcJoyPMsW3g8GpM7DaA/
also read the posts which go along with it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
he is too stupid to understand what you wrote.high chance that he is a turdie or moron going for Le epic troll.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not a vatBlack person
Then why are you acting like one? Why didn't you say outright it was blown up by ISIS instead of just saying it wasn't airstriked by Turkey? That leaves too much room for trying to make it sound like both got directly killed by ISIS instead of after they were immobilised and abandoned.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Shut the frick up you dumb c**t I was trying to stop you parroting bullshit you heard on reddit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Guys calm down, I made few calls, according to my sources in Turkish MOD and NATO general staff, this specific Leopard 2 was firstly disabled by chinese nuke mine. But Leopard 2 being a gem of German engineering, which is way superior to the Mutt one btw, survived it, losing only a single track link. After abandoning it by Turkish crew, which doesn't know how to uze Panzers properly, ISIS chrono troopers teleported deep into Kurdish YPG fighters territory and blew it up with artifical reverse black hole igniter. All other videos showing Konkurs AGTM blowing up the LEOs into smithereens are fake CGI.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Then show the source.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There's space for 15 shells in the bustle stowage. Why would you use the one in the hull?
>But this is what I was talking about the ammunition won't cook off.
Round hit still violently burned (deflagarated). You understand that 12 pounds of gunpowder burned in the volume of tank is fried crew? Right?
But of course. Especially if the special armor inserts are emptied on purpose.
https://i.imgur.com/LkzQ0lH.jpg
>lie was disavowed later by minister Leber, who stated that this was not the official DE government position
>Carl Damn in a letter to SECDEF again proposes that US buy tanks from DE (500 tanks for $500M) in return of NATO purchase of AWACS - obviously disregarding insufficient DE production base - 1977 > 600 tanks a year! - 2023
KMW ... KMW never changes
Conclusion: >The responsibility for the current imbroglio must be squarely placed in the German court. Their's has been a one sided game: selling Leo2 to US Army by whatever means, while never even considering XM1 for their own use. The tactics of attacking US Army when DGA was allowed to publish the obvious untruths without the German govt trying to correct the situation. >While Germany did everything in their power to discredit the XM1 in the eyes of Congress, they're now upset over US coming out in the open at time most inopportune for Germany.
Bomber Harris level of sick burn
11 months ago
Anonymous
More like pathetic whine by some Pentagon bureaucrat.
Yeah that's just the US being moronic. They even say the 2AV is fitted with "phoney armor" aka weight simulators. There is no reason for the automotive test rig to be fitted with armor, while the power train and armor are still in development. The ballistic test rig is where the air is fitted.
I would love to see how Leopard 2AV failed armour testing when XM-1 was barely resistant to XM735, while the 2AV was protected vs 120mm DM13 (a much better round)
The 2AV was better protected against kinetic threats. However the XM1 had better chemical protection as well as better coverage. The US considered chemical warheads to be the bigger threat so in the eyes of the US the XM1 was better protected, which isn’t even considering the significantly safer ammo stowage on XM1.
I don't think armor and survivability are tested during the SETC
https://i.imgur.com/LkzQ0lH.jpg
>lie was disavowed later by minister Leber, who stated that this was not the official DE government position
https://i.imgur.com/edhN7gI.jpg
Captcha ate my pic
https://i.imgur.com/xeNlztC.jpg
Conclusion: >The responsibility for the current imbroglio must be squarely placed in the German court. Their's has been a one sided game: selling Leo2 to US Army by whatever means, while never even considering XM1 for their own use. The tactics of attacking US Army when DGA was allowed to publish the obvious untruths without the German govt trying to correct the situation. >While Germany did everything in their power to discredit the XM1 in the eyes of Congress, they're now upset over US coming out in the open at time most inopportune for Germany.
It was easy to btfo you. The image is from 25th of Febuary 2 days after the Al Bab operation had finished and when those Leopards were already destroyed. I'm sorry you had to be publicly shamed to learn from your betters.
Would you like to know more about 2A4s in Syria? Like what ammo caused the detonation etc images of it? More air strikes?
[...]
What worse than this image or the video of ISIS crashing into it with a vbied? Don't be dumb anon.
Yes, you lost. You have no source saying these are actually all the air strikes in the region. Makes me wonder how much more stuff you said has errors when you just start to scratch the surface like with this one.
Agreed.
While the tethering issues have been solved, as other anon pointed out;
the German dishonest lobbying only got worse during the last 40 years.
Which sometimes lead to unintended hilarious effects.
x axis - protection value.
y axis - percentage of area (turret in this case) that has such protection
Left tables for KE ammunition
Right tables for shaped charge.
For example against KE ammunition M1A2 turret has 80% protection area with 400mm of RHA equivalent, 50% with 600mm and 20% with 800mm
It's the Gripen of tanks: cheap stuff for countries with small military budgets. It's cost-effective and is far superior to cold-war era Soviet kit but don't think it stacks up with the Abrams or Merkava.
Armatard replies on multiple vpns regularly switches between WiFi and mobile data and uses low effort bait posts to stir infighting. Also snippets from iPhone is super common.
>shooting the obvious decoy while the real tank is hidden
I can't blame you, Leo2 decoy are almost undistinguishable from the real one, especially for untrained russian eyes.
Anon, Leopard 2 is a mediocre tank that only got popular due to aggressive shilling and FRG exercising the economic and political leverages over the small European countries. Once the field is even, the superior construction prevails.
Really irrelevant to criticise what are clearly early teething issues like the combustible cases that were clearly solved relatively quickly as 120 x 570 mm cartridge is the most common NATO tank cartridge today
Apart from Ukies intercepting 11 Iskander and a shit ton of other russian missiles and drones, i guess he/they are trying it with the german angle after the bong seething lost even more of its already weak punch.
i agree, the leopard is good tho
Still looks better than an Abrams does in forest camo. Desert all the way baby
whats dog shit
No western MBT is dogshit, even the previous generations are far superior to anything that comes out of Russia. Imagine not having a Thermal gun sight lmao
>this is dog shit
The only flaw with Leopard 2s is the storage of spare ammo next to the driver, instead of just safely placing all the ammo in the rear of the turret.
Fixed with the latest non combustible ammunition
So uh, do the sling the shells now or what?
Again, but in English this time.
No, guess my intention
nah its calle TIPS they Just require a stupid a mount of heat to ignite meaning they can only be fired by the primer and not from heat penetration or spall
That would be rad, but i wonder if it really works in practice. A HEAT jet is quite a serious energy jolt
It doesn't. Magical non-exploding ammo is pure cope.
Huh, the "Leo blown up by Turkish AF after being abandoned" - cope, haven't seen that one in a while.
Nta but it wasn't blown up by the Turkish airforce anon.
The Leo in the back has the number 526, it was accounted for being immobilised by a mine/IED according to the list of turkish army. Does this tank look like it has been just immobilised or does it look like it had been bombed?
Seriously, vatBlack folk, there is always the same debate in every god damn thread the moment this
picture gets posted.
Is it even posted by different people or is it alwas the same fricking vatBlack person? Because it fricking looks and sounds like it's always the same fricking idiot trying to force his false narrative into becoming consensu.
I'm not a vatBlack person and I'm not being disingenuous about the Leopard I'm simply telling you the Turkish AF didn't bomb that Leopard. I have a source of every Turkish airstrike in Al-Bab, please don't mistake me for a dirty Russian cocmsucking tramp ever again.
The tank was disabled by a mine then blown up by ISIS with an IED, I was simply trying to stop the spread of the Turkish airforce bombing abandoned Leopards. It never happened.
Oh, you have a source of every turkish airstrike in Al-bab? That's a new one.
Would you look at that, it's over a year, no one heard this bullshit before, but here you are.
Sure.
>It's been over a year
It's been 6 years since that specific Leopard was destroyed. I will stop trying to educate you now as its clear you are a complete moron and thinks one (1) year is the same as six (6) years.
Infact I just had a thought, it HAS been just over a year since Russia invaded Ukraine! Ohhhh I get it you mixed up your shilling script! You dumb frick, Russia is an abhorrent shit hole your jnvasion has been an utter shambles and has created laughable material for many many years to come.
IMAGINE running out of fuel on your first offensive and just walking around on the highway drunk selling yourself to pay for gas or blowing your friend in a building then getting droned. Kek sad.
It's been over a year since the moron started to spam this specific picture every other month.
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/M7PrcJoyPMsW3g8GpM7DaA/
Nope that's been hear for ages
Stop playing dumb, i'm talking over this specific picture with that image hash. Scroll down and look at when this picture with that image hash was posted for the first time.
>Specific image with this specific hash
Are you some kind of severe fricking autist? I've posted that picture before myself in 2021 it's not new. The conflict was 6 years ago stop back tracking on stupid shit you said on a topic you clearly know frick all about.
>T-turkish air force b-blew it up r r reddit told me
The state of you
Yes,this specific image with that specific image hash, which was first time posted on /k/ at the start of May 2022. Do you finally get what exactly was meant with over a year ago?
>T-turkish air force b-blew it up r r reddit told me
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2017/02/12/battle-al-bab-verifying-turkish-military-vehicle-losses/
>One of the Leopards has been identified as the the one lsited with number plate 195 526.
>or due to a Turkish airstrike on the tank to destroy abandoned equipment.
195 526 is listed as "EID/Mine attack" and since it wasn't an ATGM according to that list only the air strike option remains.
Btw you haven't posted a single source at all, also not your super source of all air-strikes.
>Specific image hash
>A year ago
Your post wasn't specific to what you are saying now you just said the image that moron posted don't have an autism rage about it. Saying "that picture" which would be interperated by anyone normal as just the same image isn't specific at all so please do your mental health a favour and shut the frick up.
>Leopard in the back ground hit by mine 526
OK never disputed that
>since it wasn't atgm
What? The tank in question with the front of the hull missing could 100% have been hit with an atgm you even missed that bit out in your green text
>Two destroyed Leopard 2A4 tanks and a ZPT west of al-Bab, Syria. The tank hull of the tank in the foreground has been disintegrated, suggesting it was an internal explosion. The Leopard 2A4 has an ammunition rack at the left side of the driver, where the hull is destroyed in this photo. This can be either due to an anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) or due to a Turkish airstrike on the tank to destroy abandoned equipment. (Photo by IS media wing).
>According to that list only air strike remains
Again what? Why would they airstrike a tank that hasn't been immobilised yet? You haven't addressed the initial hit which could have literally been anything, but the end result was the same the Turkish airforce didn't blow it up.
Let's spoon feed your tourist ass.
>1. Why would the Turks air strike that specific tank but not the other 3 ISIS had, intact for over a week before they blew them up on video for propaganda?
Why would they not hit them all anon? Could it be they didn't hit any like I said?
>2. Turkish airstrikes in Al-Bab
This is a big one, Turkish Air Strikes had to be well documented because they weren't the only Air force operating in support of the Al-Bab operation. Russia was directly supporting them too as was the US providing Air cover.
>3. Here is the geolocation for every Turkish airstrike in Al-Bab over lay it with the position of the two Leopards and Cobra
Cont.
If you need help with map work the 2 Leopards and Cobra are situated between strikes 2 and 5 on the main road.
It was easy to disprove the airstrike theory with this picrel alone without the need for the airstrike Geolocations. Why would Turkey let them parade around on the Nice 2a4s instead of airstriking them? Why would they only airstrike that one specific tank your talking about?
It's simple, they didn't.
Apologise for your lack of knowledge and if you would like to know more and see images you havent seen before of said Leopards or the Air Strikes say please and I will post them.
Kek Based knower. Nta but what other images do you have?
>Your post wasn't specific
You mean contradicting to
?
>What? The tank in question with the front of the hull missing could 100% have been hit with an atgm you even missed that bit out in your green text
Oh, so your now not too ashamed anymore to just openly go with the vatnik narrative for the other tank? Btw you missed the part where i specifically said: since it wasn't an ATGM according to that list
>3. Here is the Geolocation for every Turkish airstrike
Picture says: geolocated air strikes
It's not saying all air strikes or if all are accounted for.
>tourist ass.
Funny as in i'm hearing your bullshit for the first time and i watched a lot of these "discussions" in the past years.
My guy just stop with the cope you lost.
>Funny as I'm hearing your shit for the first time
Yes that's because this discussion is 6 years old and was completed then, your new so you weren't aware. It's It's just stop with the aggressive autism, it isn't needed.
>i won, because i just won, okay? stop questioning it
You lost. Your source just covers geo located air strikes, which doesn't mean there aren't more. Do you understand this? I
>Yes that's because this discussion is 6 years old and was completed then, your new so you weren't aware.
I'm well aware how there is an never ending stream of vatBlack person idiots, who come up with new cope even years after a discussion was finished and start janking and pulling at the consensus like the little shill shits they are.
>Your source doesn't cover all airstrikes
Lmao what fricking cope. Its all of them in the Al-Bab region.
>VatBlack person cope
Are you for real? If it was vatnig cope I would be shilling them being taken out with *insert russian atgm here* you fricking imbecile.
It's hilarious how new you are. You can't handle a source of geo located air strikes nor images of isis with working Leopards that could be hit with an airstrike but aren't. Your moronic, Autistic and new as frick.
>Its all of them in the Al-Bab region.
Where does it actually say that? Where?
>Are you for real? If it was vatnig cope
We know this cope, it's always the same old game of endless compromises until the actual aimed for goal is reached.
>It's hilarious how new you are.
Get a new script, shill.
It was easy to btfo you. The image is from 25th of Febuary 2 days after the Al Bab operation had finished and when those Leopards were already destroyed. I'm sorry you had to be publicly shamed to learn from your betters.
Would you like to know more about 2A4s in Syria? Like what ammo caused the detonation etc images of it? More air strikes?
What worse than this image or the video of ISIS crashing into it with a vbied? Don't be dumb anon.
>Well, ISIS posted an embarrassing video for Turkey, so why would Turkey not release more embarrassing videos about themselves?
This doesn't contradict what i said in
and the way you are replying with evasive and aggressive nonsense already shows what kind of a person you are. You sound like the kind of guy who thinks he won many arguments by the other person giving up on wasting their time with him and just leaving.
US and the UK admit they destroy vehicles to stop them falling into enemies hands, Turkey would too why wouldn't they? Its much less embarresing to say you destroyed them to stop images like I posted happen. How hard is that for you to comprehend?
I just gave you the image it has the source in the image, it's from 25th Feb 2017 . Your coping so fricking hard man all because you can't admit the Turks didn't airstrike the Leopard? What gives did your dad abandon that tank?
It's pretty straight forward, the Turks would have said if they destroyed the tank but they didn't, your reasoning for them destroying the tank to avoid it falling into enemy hands is mooted by the images of multiple 2a4s in ISIS hands add that with the image I posted AFTER the Al Bab assault of all the airstrikes geolocated and it paints the bigger picture.
Here is a still of the Leopard and bulldozer in the hospital grounds that were captured intact being blown up on propaganda video, why weren't they hit with an airstrike anon? You simple c**t lmao
Such a strike on a Leopard would have been readily documented and likely leaked with the losses/causes and dates table on bellingcat.
Face it, your a loser who second guesses if oxygen exists because you can't see it. Cope seethe dilate tourist.
Then show us where it says in the source that these are all air strikes there and not just the ones that a) where released to begin and b) geo located. More coping and seething or blogposting isn't going to change that.
Uh oh looks like we've got a terminal coper
Projections are funny and all, but it doesn't really change the fact how your source doesn't actually show what you claim.
Copelord
That's how it ends? Your source turns out to not actually say it covers all air strikes and all you can do now is produce bot replies.
Coping
>loses argument
>can't back up his claims
>could only pretend he can and hoped no one notices
>now desperately tries to at least have the last word
Your still coping huh
>you still winning, huh?
Yes.
>Leopard 2 in gelbbraun
>Rommel's face in heaven when
Same (autist) poster?
Nah, I'm the one posting archived stuff
Have you ever thought about how they won't proudly show 5 videos of them blow up their own shit they had to leave behind?
kek, the pidor went really quiet after you posted this. Gonna steal your source for the next time this wiener gobbler shows up.
This aged badly, there are 2 detailed posts above yours are you deluded or blind?
Maybe actually look at the tbharchive link in
also read the posts which go along with it.
he is too stupid to understand what you wrote.high chance that he is a turdie or moron going for Le epic troll.
>I'm not a vatBlack person
Then why are you acting like one? Why didn't you say outright it was blown up by ISIS instead of just saying it wasn't airstriked by Turkey? That leaves too much room for trying to make it sound like both got directly killed by ISIS instead of after they were immobilised and abandoned.
Shut the frick up you dumb c**t I was trying to stop you parroting bullshit you heard on reddit.
Guys calm down, I made few calls, according to my sources in Turkish MOD and NATO general staff, this specific Leopard 2 was firstly disabled by chinese nuke mine. But Leopard 2 being a gem of German engineering, which is way superior to the Mutt one btw, survived it, losing only a single track link. After abandoning it by Turkish crew, which doesn't know how to uze Panzers properly, ISIS chrono troopers teleported deep into Kurdish YPG fighters territory and blew it up with artifical reverse black hole igniter. All other videos showing Konkurs AGTM blowing up the LEOs into smithereens are fake CGI.
Then show the source.
There's space for 15 shells in the bustle stowage. Why would you use the one in the hull?
turks never had TPS
I meant: Turks never had DM63
>Fixed with the latest non combustible ammunition
Wut? Did they replace their tank guns with railguns when no one was looking?
Excuse my esl moment. But this is what I was talking about the ammunition won't cook off.
Turks using old ammunition not DM63.
>But this is what I was talking about the ammunition won't cook off.
Round hit still violently burned (deflagarated). You understand that 12 pounds of gunpowder burned in the volume of tank is fried crew? Right?
Wait so turret bustles are now pointless?
It's still the best place to load ammo from.
>non combustible ammunition
You're deeply moronic.
>G*rmans in charge of not faking the trials
They're really russified after the WW2 rape , aren't they?
>1977
That's why Leo2 wins every NATO tank competition right
I don't think armor and survivability are tested during the SETC
That would be quite pointless since any tank is fricked from APFSDS
But of course. Especially if the special armor inserts are emptied on purpose.
>Carl Damn in a letter to SECDEF again proposes that US buy tanks from DE (500 tanks for $500M) in return of NATO purchase of AWACS - obviously disregarding insufficient DE production base - 1977
> 600 tanks a year! - 2023
KMW ... KMW never changes
Captcha ate my pic
Conclusion:
>The responsibility for the current imbroglio must be squarely placed in the German court. Their's has been a one sided game: selling Leo2 to US Army by whatever means, while never even considering XM1 for their own use. The tactics of attacking US Army when DGA was allowed to publish the obvious untruths without the German govt trying to correct the situation.
>While Germany did everything in their power to discredit the XM1 in the eyes of Congress, they're now upset over US coming out in the open at time most inopportune for Germany.
Bomber Harris level of sick burn
More like pathetic whine by some Pentagon bureaucrat.
Yeah that's just the US being moronic. They even say the 2AV is fitted with "phoney armor" aka weight simulators. There is no reason for the automotive test rig to be fitted with armor, while the power train and armor are still in development. The ballistic test rig is where the air is fitted.
I would love to see how Leopard 2AV failed armour testing when XM-1 was barely resistant to XM735, while the 2AV was protected vs 120mm DM13 (a much better round)
The 2AV was better protected against kinetic threats. However the XM1 had better chemical protection as well as better coverage. The US considered chemical warheads to be the bigger threat so in the eyes of the US the XM1 was better protected, which isn’t even considering the significantly safer ammo stowage on XM1.
Is this the latest FSB cope?
Yes and more is to come.
Yes, you lost. You have no source saying these are actually all the air strikes in the region. Makes me wonder how much more stuff you said has errors when you just start to scratch the surface like with this one.
Probably bc of this
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1663542020240195585?t=06FHMWsRegcJjiu0DtAJmQ&s=19
That's about as much, as the latest Denmark package.
You know how the vatniks are. The krauts of all people giving more aid to their enemies causes them to seethe extra hard.
Relevant to this topic
TLDW: Germany was very disingenuous during American trials and has been coping and seething ever since.
>inb4 the furry
Agreed.
While the tethering issues have been solved, as other anon pointed out;
the German dishonest lobbying only got worse during the last 40 years.
Which sometimes lead to unintended hilarious effects.
>dog shit thread
>phone poster
every time
>lie was disavowed later by minister Leber, who stated that this was not the official DE government position
and you know that due to your extensive studies of internet resources, right?
Cope and Seethe
That's from the Swedish trials right? I'm still pissed they didn't decide to build the STRV2000.
That thinf is frick ugly, the proportions are all off, hull needs to eb wider and turret need to be bigger and further forward
Shit looks like a merkavas moronic cousin
You're fricking moronic
What the frick does this even mean? What is x, y axis?
>skyddaniva
what?
x axis - protection value.
y axis - percentage of area (turret in this case) that has such protection
Left tables for KE ammunition
Right tables for shaped charge.
For example against KE ammunition M1A2 turret has 80% protection area with 400mm of RHA equivalent, 50% with 600mm and 20% with 800mm
What does improved mean? from A5 to A6?
2A5 prototype
thanks
2A5, that first model with extra wedge armor on the turret.
That wedge armor looks quite simple inside but apparently KE penetrators don't like it. Something about breaking them.
Do we laugh at Frogs or something?
It's the Gripen of tanks: cheap stuff for countries with small military budgets. It's cost-effective and is far superior to cold-war era Soviet kit but don't think it stacks up with the Abrams or Merkava.
Armatard moment
No, I'm a freedomboo, Russian equipment is trash.
Challenger mogs it by every metric
tell me again how many countries operate the "superior" chally 2?
The most powerful European military does.
>he hasn’t seen the chally bulldozer video out of Ukraine
Armatard moment
Your therapist is going to have a hard time calming you down after this
Armatard replies on multiple vpns regularly switches between WiFi and mobile data and uses low effort bait posts to stir infighting. Also snippets from iPhone is super common.
You are pathetic armatard.
May I see the evidence that led you to this conclusion? It can’t just be iPhone posting can it? Its such a common device
Armatard
Disregarded
ok
lel the Challenger doesn't even mog the Leclerc
Except that NATO trials just revealed it’s the best tank in NATO
moron
I’ll take your personal attack as a concession. Say sorry to chally
Your tank sucks man I'm sorry
Warriortard cope
Armatard
So how do you explain the new chally then? The onyl logical conclusion would be to continoue the trend and buy the upgrade package from the israelis
>this is dog shit
exactly. See that good russian tank behind in the forest? he got his ass. Leo was destroyed after the pic was taken.
>shooting the obvious decoy while the real tank is hidden
I can't blame you, Leo2 decoy are almost undistinguishable from the real one, especially for untrained russian eyes.
AJAX vibes
>1980
We need to go back further!
Anon, Leopard 2 is a mediocre tank that only got popular due to aggressive shilling and FRG exercising the economic and political leverages over the small European countries. Once the field is even, the superior construction prevails.
Really irrelevant to criticise what are clearly early teething issues like the combustible cases that were clearly solved relatively quickly as 120 x 570 mm cartridge is the most common NATO tank cartridge today
Valid point.
its quiter than a abrams even in idle
about the same depending on where you are it seems. The abrams higher pitch is more annoying tho
Apart from Ukies intercepting 11 Iskander and a shit ton of other russian missiles and drones, i guess he/they are trying it with the german angle after the bong seething lost even more of its already weak punch.
>ITT: Americans mad that a vehicle with the same combat performance looks about 3 times better and more imposing than their Abrams borezone
abrams aesthetically moggs leopard when in the same pic
nah, id say pre A4 and lower are slightly worse, but A5 upwards are pure sex
nah
lol the leo looks like someone stepped on a tiger tank and squished it
Anybody in this shit thread actually a Leopard2/Abrams driver / gunner / commander? Or just the usual polish korean shills?
might be picrel guy, or vatnigs seething about the S400
What happened this time?
>Now that the dust has settled
did I miss something? Outside of turks being turks did anything else happen?
Still vastly superior to everything Russia have, probably China as well.