Dont know about the factory standard ones, but I much prefer hydraulic piston jacks over scissor ones. Not only are they easier to position and rotate, but you also cant get your fingers stuck in them.
Why would you get your fingers stuck in them if you never grip them stupidly? I collect all style jacks since they're handy positioners but hydraulic jacks are best used for presses etc since they're prone to bleeding. My favorite hydraulic jack is the forklift jack. Every mechanic and machinist should have one.
I look for the heavy GM pantograph jacks but also use these with a piece of channel welded to the top facing up.
depends on the job whether ramps are appropriate or not since the suspension stays loaded...but where that doesnt matter they are far better than a jack alone, which is just pointless risk taking if you go under the vehicle.
Apples and oranges. You can’t even take the wheels off with ramps.
I love when busriders on PrepHole tell new anons to get ramps because they’re only $50 and safer than recalled HF stands. It’s immediately apparent that they saw their mom’s boyfriend do an oil change once and now they’re an expert on all things.
That being said, so many new cars have moronic jack points and are super low so the ramps come in handy for certain jobs. Although with the transverse engines, there’s so many jobs where you need to get in from the wheel well so the ramps don’t help on those.
>drive her up. Jackstand then back on down
It's obvious you've never done this. >get on my level
I'd have to hit myself I'm the head with a mallet several times.
i had an idea a while ago about a ramp like pic related, where a car would climb from the left and descend slowly down a steeper incline, thus resting itself slowly on the plateau on the apex. the only issue would be removing coming back down afterwards. please PrepHole, lend me your recommendations.
>don't do this
This.
Any incline where it would rest on it like being on a jackstand would basically be dropping the vehicle that height, and would probably destroy the vehicle's frame rather than helping you service it.
Honestly I prefer the ramps when I can get away with them. I find it's just easier and faster. Definitely limits the jobs you can do though. But for fluid changes etc. they're really nice to have.
Makes sense. I'm mainly thinking about oil changes, routing cables, and installing a real hitch (not just a ball on the bumper), so sounds like ramps are ok for those jobs.
When I was a teen, my friends and I replaced my brake pads and a couple days later one of my wheels came off when getting off the interstate so I've been wary of working on anything wheel related since then. The real problem was that we were stupid and lazy and didn't replace the wheel studs when they were somewhat stripped, thinking they'd still hold since the wheel felt solid when tugging on it. No one was injured except for my wallet so lesson learned without too much negative side effects.
another thing is that ramps pretty much need to be used in pairs and block access more than stands which can be a real PITA when moving parts and assemblies in and out.
also with jackstands you can double and triple them up for extra stability and for certain operations, a ramp is a one position only device.
>so many new cars have moronic jack points
this is frustratingly true
worked on an neighbor's car to help her out
the front jack points according to the manual were a couple plates welded to both sides of a vertical runner
I shit you not it wasn't even flat
apparently you're just supposed to slot it into a groove on the spare jack
absolutely ducking madness
I did get cookies for my trouble though
My wife’s Civic only has tiny points on the 4 corners, so if you lift the car there, you have nowhere to put a jack stand. It’s pretty much made for a lift.
There is one front center jack point but it’s like 4’ from the front of the car, so I’m looking at this Arcan extra long low profile 2T or 3T jack. The whole thing needs to fit under the car and the first couple pumps of the handle will be like 2deg of swing.
It's not even really the EPA if you track down where this stuff comes from. It's the California Air Resources Board. Those guys play a game of setting unrealistic standards, and then automakers have to follow them because they don't want to lose such a big market. And there's always unintended consequences because the CARB regs are always half-baked. That's one of the reasons SUVs became so popular, and also why trucks are so massive these days. Because SUVs were technically categorized as "trucks" by CARB so they had lower mileage requirements, and the limits were set based on the physical size of the truck. Thus, bloated landboats that won't fit a garage, but pass the Cali shit test.
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Ahhh, rose tinted glasses and the land of unintended consequences.
I still prefer the jacks most of the time on cars with easy jack points. If you have a good center front one, lift the car, throw the stands behind the wheels, pull the jack out, and more room to work. Otherwise if you’re working yourself, you gotta get out of the car a couple times to drive the car up and be real quick on the brake pedal to not drive off the other side.
Ramps are great if you don't need those wheels off and if they give you enough room under the car for whatever you're doing. >lol fat
I mean like if you're pulling a transmission, exhaust, etc sometimes having customizable height for some more wiggle room is handy.
https://i.imgur.com/snNrUqi.png
i had an idea a while ago about a ramp like pic related, where a car would climb from the left and descend slowly down a steeper incline, thus resting itself slowly on the plateau on the apex. the only issue would be removing coming back down afterwards. please PrepHole, lend me your recommendations.
>need a jack to get it back off the resting point anyway
Congratulations you just invented a shittier version of the jackstand.
I still prefer the jacks most of the time on cars with easy jack points. If you have a good center front one, lift the car, throw the stands behind the wheels, pull the jack out, and more room to work. Otherwise if you’re working yourself, you gotta get out of the car a couple times to drive the car up and be real quick on the brake pedal to not drive off the other side.
This. My moronation amplifies my stress over the possibility of overshooting on the ramp and it's especially bad when working on my own car because it's a heavy and torklet manual so my negative INT applies a clutch tax any time I try to use the ramps whereas jack+stands is unambiguous to set up, no slower going up, and only marginally slower coming back down.
>overshooting on the ramp
Get a couple cheap blindspot mirrors and stick them on some traffic cones or the side of your shop or whatever. Use them to see what you're doing.
Wrong, there's a similar cradle for beetles that had elliptical rails that one person could slide under the car and roll the whole fricking thing up on its side manually, dumb zoomer homosexual.
That's why it has such a large surface area, so you don't need as much pressure. Pressure is noted in pounds per square inch, so if the lifting surface is like 300 square inches and the vehicle weighs 3,000 pounds, you only need 10 psi to lift it.
Conversely if you have something like a bottle jack that has a maybe a 5 square inch lifting surface, you would need to put 500 psi into it to lift the vehicle.
I'm sure you'll acknowledge that it is safer?
Safety is for cuck, buckaroo.
Not just personal safety, don't want my car hitting the ground either.
Scissor jacks are definitely a step up from those tiny piston jacks they've been throwing in for a few years now.
Dont know about the factory standard ones, but I much prefer hydraulic piston jacks over scissor ones. Not only are they easier to position and rotate, but you also cant get your fingers stuck in them.
Why would you get your fingers stuck in them if you never grip them stupidly? I collect all style jacks since they're handy positioners but hydraulic jacks are best used for presses etc since they're prone to bleeding. My favorite hydraulic jack is the forklift jack. Every mechanic and machinist should have one.
I look for the heavy GM pantograph jacks but also use these with a piece of channel welded to the top facing up.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B089NCNTDV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I can carry a pantograph jack much easier then a floor jack and run it up and down with my cordless impact. Perfect for salvage yard runs.
Being your boss’s b***h is for sissy cuck homosexuals who should be genocided out of the galaxy
yes
You can if you want. We could do with less shitposting around here.
What about on ramps? Better or worse than on stands?
depends on the job whether ramps are appropriate or not since the suspension stays loaded...but where that doesnt matter they are far better than a jack alone, which is just pointless risk taking if you go under the vehicle.
Apples and oranges. You can’t even take the wheels off with ramps.
I love when busriders on PrepHole tell new anons to get ramps because they’re only $50 and safer than recalled HF stands. It’s immediately apparent that they saw their mom’s boyfriend do an oil change once and now they’re an expert on all things.
That being said, so many new cars have moronic jack points and are super low so the ramps come in handy for certain jobs. Although with the transverse engines, there’s so many jobs where you need to get in from the wheel well so the ramps don’t help on those.
Ramps + jackstands, drive her up. Jackstand then back on down. Get on my level
that sounds like a great way of knocking over your jackstand and possibly fricking up the car's jackpoint
>drive her up. Jackstand then back on down
It's obvious you've never done this.
>get on my level
I'd have to hit myself I'm the head with a mallet several times.
i had an idea a while ago about a ramp like pic related, where a car would climb from the left and descend slowly down a steeper incline, thus resting itself slowly on the plateau on the apex. the only issue would be removing coming back down afterwards. please PrepHole, lend me your recommendations.
>recommendations
don't do this
>descend slowly down a steeper incline
>don't do this
This.
Any incline where it would rest on it like being on a jackstand would basically be dropping the vehicle that height, and would probably destroy the vehicle's frame rather than helping you service it.
Honestly I prefer the ramps when I can get away with them. I find it's just easier and faster. Definitely limits the jobs you can do though. But for fluid changes etc. they're really nice to have.
Makes sense. I'm mainly thinking about oil changes, routing cables, and installing a real hitch (not just a ball on the bumper), so sounds like ramps are ok for those jobs.
When I was a teen, my friends and I replaced my brake pads and a couple days later one of my wheels came off when getting off the interstate so I've been wary of working on anything wheel related since then. The real problem was that we were stupid and lazy and didn't replace the wheel studs when they were somewhat stripped, thinking they'd still hold since the wheel felt solid when tugging on it. No one was injured except for my wallet so lesson learned without too much negative side effects.
another thing is that ramps pretty much need to be used in pairs and block access more than stands which can be a real PITA when moving parts and assemblies in and out.
also with jackstands you can double and triple them up for extra stability and for certain operations, a ramp is a one position only device.
>so many new cars have moronic jack points
this is frustratingly true
worked on an neighbor's car to help her out
the front jack points according to the manual were a couple plates welded to both sides of a vertical runner
I shit you not it wasn't even flat
apparently you're just supposed to slot it into a groove on the spare jack
absolutely ducking madness
I did get cookies for my trouble though
>apparently you're just supposed to slot it into a groove on the spare jack
this is waaaaaay more common than youd think. its fricking infuriating
My wife’s Civic only has tiny points on the 4 corners, so if you lift the car there, you have nowhere to put a jack stand. It’s pretty much made for a lift.
There is one front center jack point but it’s like 4’ from the front of the car, so I’m looking at this Arcan extra long low profile 2T or 3T jack. The whole thing needs to fit under the car and the first couple pumps of the handle will be like 2deg of swing.
Just jack the axle
>just jack the axle
Kek. Who is designing cars??
The EPA pretty much
It's not even really the EPA if you track down where this stuff comes from. It's the California Air Resources Board. Those guys play a game of setting unrealistic standards, and then automakers have to follow them because they don't want to lose such a big market. And there's always unintended consequences because the CARB regs are always half-baked. That's one of the reasons SUVs became so popular, and also why trucks are so massive these days. Because SUVs were technically categorized as "trucks" by CARB so they had lower mileage requirements, and the limits were set based on the physical size of the truck. Thus, bloated landboats that won't fit a garage, but pass the Cali shit test.
Ahhh, rose tinted glasses and the land of unintended consequences.
It's a good day to be a communist, isn't it?
Get a hi-lift jack with tire hooks, then use the jack points for the stands.
Wont that scratch the wheel?
just put rags there so it wont
What a funny looking bead puller
I gave my ramps and stands away many years ago.
I use scrap aluminum rims placed horizontally and wood cribbing (6x6 and 4x4 mostly). Rims don't tip and cribbing grips the surface it supports.
All jacks need do is jack. I buy RV stabilizing jacks and weld upward facing channel to them as they're light and have ample reach.
Ramps are highly underrated. Much better than stands if you aren't working on the wheels or suspension.
I still prefer the jacks most of the time on cars with easy jack points. If you have a good center front one, lift the car, throw the stands behind the wheels, pull the jack out, and more room to work. Otherwise if you’re working yourself, you gotta get out of the car a couple times to drive the car up and be real quick on the brake pedal to not drive off the other side.
Ramps are great if you don't need those wheels off and if they give you enough room under the car for whatever you're doing.
>lol fat
I mean like if you're pulling a transmission, exhaust, etc sometimes having customizable height for some more wiggle room is handy.
>need a jack to get it back off the resting point anyway
Congratulations you just invented a shittier version of the jackstand.
This. My moronation amplifies my stress over the possibility of overshooting on the ramp and it's especially bad when working on my own car because it's a heavy and torklet manual so my negative INT applies a clutch tax any time I try to use the ramps whereas jack+stands is unambiguous to set up, no slower going up, and only marginally slower coming back down.
>overshooting on the ramp
Get a couple cheap blindspot mirrors and stick them on some traffic cones or the side of your shop or whatever. Use them to see what you're doing.
yer funeral m8
Cant find good jacks tho
A quality thread died for your shitpost you insufferable homosexual.
>inb4 not having a lift in your backyard
pathetic
ohh, he's got two
that's redundancy
ought to be fine
/me munches popcorn
Why no lift in shop?
Imagine thinking a lift was adequate when picrel exists
thats obviously for just the car body and not the entire car, you fricking moron
Wrong, there's a similar cradle for beetles that had elliptical rails that one person could slide under the car and roll the whole fricking thing up on its side manually, dumb zoomer homosexual.
thats not whats pictured. thats why I commented on the one OP posted you stupid wienerwaffle go frick your mother
Imagine being this wound up and hostile over what was obviously a joke.
Congratulations.
imagine replying to stupid shit to make yourself feel superior on some shitty mongolian basket weaving forum
You mean like this, right?
>thats obviously for just the car body and not the entire car, you fricking moron
why dont you 2 just frick and get it over with. damn.
Or there is always the front end loader option...
Or the 10K forklift at work.
have you ever used on these? move your car perpendicular to the the jack that shit moves.
I do this;
Jack the front wheels up
Slide steel hubs with flat aide up under wheels
Lower
Repeat in back
For extra height, repeat, but with two steel rims welded together.
Tricky to go trough the wheel well tho. Maybe two wheels under the jack point and a big ole block of wood?
You can, it's just that it's a pretty stupid thing to do.
I'm legit surprised. I didn't think exhaust systems we're capable of achieving even modest pressures.
Next gag will be putting condoms on people's exhaust pipes.
That's why it has such a large surface area, so you don't need as much pressure. Pressure is noted in pounds per square inch, so if the lifting surface is like 300 square inches and the vehicle weighs 3,000 pounds, you only need 10 psi to lift it.
Conversely if you have something like a bottle jack that has a maybe a 5 square inch lifting surface, you would need to put 500 psi into it to lift the vehicle.
i just used one of these to lift up a lathe, one end at a time, onto rollers
sketchy but so fricking useful