I am trying to figure out a good semi automatic rifle in either a intermediate or full sized caliber. The main issue is that my guns are stored at home(uni student living on dorm) and my mom, a self proclaimed libertarian, throws a fit over the idea of an AR in the house, and my dad refuses to go out to bat for me. I've considered the AK platform but I reckon they'd also throw a fit over that. My budget is 600-1200$ and I'll be going to a gun show in 2 weeks to look around.
so far as I've gathered my best options would be that keltec sports utility rifle, a SKS, a FAL or CETME(would probably fall under the issue of "looking scary"), or a used BAR. any recommendations anon? I'd like to be able to mount a scope.
Mini 14 is a common non-AR alternative
Mini-14 and Mini-30 are good guns, but more expensive and harder to find than an SKS. If you're a college student I'd say get a 500-800 dollar SKS then buy an AR/AK you like once you move out of the dorms.
>mom
>female
her "opinion" should be discarded as hysteria
yes yes but my father agrees with her to avoid argument because she's so stressed shes sick. so I just have to deal with it.
Thats a great idea. if I can find one used that'll probably be my option.
>Thats a great idea.
Yes it would be a decent choice.
Don't forget the mini-30 as an option as well.
Get the AR15. Don't let b***hes even mother cuck you, You are a man aren't you?
Just get what you want and hide it, does she check your room or something
I probably could. the main issue is just getting it back home but I'm sure I could swing it
Ask the LGS to show you how to service your rifle. Pretty much every place should have at least one guy who knows how to field strip it and then when you are in your car you strip it and put it in a less conspicuous container.
o i am laffin
>a used BAR
homie wat
not the ww2 kind but the browning automatic rifle. It's a hunting rifle that they make, semi automatic, has many options for caliber.
It never ceases to amaze me how few """gun people""" know about one of the most ubiquitous semi auto rifles owned by civilians.
I only ever heard of it because of those massive shooter's bible books when I was younger.
I wouldn't really put it in the same category of utility as an AR-15 or Mini-14, but it is certainly not uncommon.
People getting confused between it and the LMG is also a common thing since the latter is far more known. It's very misleading and I reckon that may have been intentional.
To be fair your mom is being dumb about this since there isn't really much of a difference between how dangerous a Mini-14 is vs. an AR, and the former of the two is exponentially more expensive. It is her house and you are trying to keep the peace, so I can understand that.
Mini-30s tend to shoot a bit better than AKs but the limitation there tends to be ammunition. Most of the cheap ammo available for that caliber isn't capable of good accuracy. They also have the same thing barrel problem on old models.
An additional known problem is light strikes, but that can easily be rectified with a stiffer hammer spring sold by Wolff.
Also while Mini-14 magazines are less common and more expensive than AR/AK magazines, Mini-30 magazines have the same issue but even moreso. Factory magazines are expensive, there are some aftermarket magazines but they are still not as cheap and many of them are completely worthless and unreliable.
>self proclaimed libertarian
>gets pissy over guns
Once again another example showing how much of a complete meme modern libertarianism is. That being said I personally love the Mini 14. You can find one for a little less if you look enough and anything in the 580 series is perfectly fine and fixed all the issues the older rifles had.
>Once again another example showing how much of a complete meme modern libertarianism is.
If only you knew how bad things really are
Lmao. Why do people on here love this stupid homosexual so much?
her supposed libertarianism is mainly just an opposition to vaccine mandates. all for her, but when she's a self proclaimed libertarian, you think she'd take a stand for any other right
The Kel-Tec is an interesting option but having owned two they are cheap in the bad way.
SKS is solid, but I hope you like loading it with strips and can get good quality ones, because the detachable magazine conversions compromise reliability substantially. They also tend to be wildly overpriced, but that depends what kind of deal you are getting.
BAR is a commercial hunting rifle, no relation whatsoever to the light machine gun.
FAL and CETME would probably look too scary.
Mini-14 and M14 (Springfield M1A being the most common option there, but not the only one) are the go-to that you missed.
Mini-14 are decent but recognize that they use a proprietary magazine pattern which is more expensive than AR magazines and aftermarket ones tend to be hit or miss. Also try to get one with a 580+ serial prefix if buying used, the older ones (180-196 prefix) have very thin barrels and serious accuracy problems. New models have shitty rear sights but that's easy to fix (tech sights).
With M14 clones, they're just expensive as frick. M1As are about 1500 and they are functional enough but pretty low tier. Bula Defense is the next step up and they are nice but we're talking like $2200. Past that it's Fulton Armory or LRB which is $3000+, not really worth it for most people. People will also shit all over you for owning an M14 because it's widely considered to be the absolute worst rifle ever designed, but that's really not true. I've owned several, shot thousands of rounds out of them and they can be very nice rifles unless you are unlucky and get a lemon. Still, as a value for dollar proposition they are inferior to an AR-10 or G3 clone.
Probably a case of a person who has different values for themselves than everyone else. There are bullshit libertarians like there are bullshit republicans and democrats as well.
Also a pretty good option if you can find one. They take wooden Remington 1100 stocks.
thanks for the advice anon.
>But I hope you like loading it with strips
love my m48 mauser and I love its strips. no problem there.
>BAR is a commercial hunting rifle
main draw for me with the BAR if I can find one used is that it uses a full size caliber. the dream is at this next gun show I could find one chambered in .300 WM, a caliber I've wanted to start using for quite some time.
>FAL and CETME would probably look too scary
probably, but at the same time I could be all semantic with the "you said I couldn't get an AR". I have a reputation for taking things very literally at home due to my mild autism and I'm sure that excuse might slide. if not, I would have hypothetically already bought the gun, so there wouldn't be much that could be done.
>mini-14 are the go to you missed
got a lot of recommendations for those. Might have to grab one if I can find one for a decent price. main issue is like you mention the magazines.
considering just buying the lower and upper, separating them and hiding them in some lockboxes in my room.
SKS is a strong contender simply due to the poorgay innawoods legacy. Main concern point for me is accuracy but the other anons in here say its reasonable to get about 3 MOA.
>SKS is a strong contender simply due to the poorgay innawoods legacy.
Understand that stems from a time when they were $300 at most and as cheap as $100 when you got lucky. $600 is kind of a hard sell, especially since that could be a rifle in poor condition. These are predominantly surplus rifles and while they are pretty solid+saw little use that isn't always the case 100% of the time.
>Main concern point for me is accuracy but the other anons in here say its reasonable to get about 3 MOA.
That's kind of hard to quantify. As stated above their condition can vary quite a bit and it's not like there's a universal spec sheet where X gun will always get Y MOA. If you buy an SKS, or most any classic rifle really, it's more a question of trial and error. Some shoot well, some just don't.
Ammunition is also a big limiting factor there, as is the trigger and meh sights. I gifted my dad an SKS years ago which doesn't shoot very well in my hands, but in his it's substantially better because he's just really good with it despite it's flaws. That's a case of the rifle being accurate, but a little difficult to shoot well.
In fact it's one reason why I love M14s so much. They're comfy to use so it's easy to pick one up and shoot it about as well as it can be shot.
>BAR in 300 WM
That's an interesting setup, but it's going to be very expensive to feed. As you've probably noticed with your M48, when you stray from the most common calibers you pay for it. If you want a battle rifle, check the price on 308 vs everything else that is comparable.
There's also something to be said for getting a weapon system with military service history vs one that doesn't. The former will have years of development in it to smooth out all the bumps and make it truly reliable, which makes a big difference. With a purely civilian hunting rifle, if something breaks it ruins your hunting trip. With a military rifle, if something breaks you either get killed by the enemy or fail to push on an objective. The efforts put into preventing that carry over to their civilian versions.
I think if you want to go big bore, stick to 308 and something that actually saw some military use.
>CETME/FAL
FAL is going to be expensive unfortunately. Surplus FAL parts dried up and with import bans it's hard to get more. Domestic production is a trickle from DSA and not much else.
CETMEs are cheap kitbashed guns, but if you spend an extra buck you can get a PTR-91. That's basically a US made H&K G3. Very solid choice with many cheap parts (and REALLY cheap magazines). It can really do a lot. I have a cheaper and less impressive Century C308 (PTR-91/CETME hybrid) and I've been very impressed with what even that rifle can do.
If you think you can swing it I do encourage going that route. It's a great weapon system and good value to boot.
the .300 WM BAR would definitely be expensive to feed but I have a reloading press. Mainly I'd just like to own a magnum rifle for large game if I ever got into large game hunting.
as for what you've mentioned, yeah, FAL is stupid expensive nowadays. if I can find a PTR or CETME I'll probably try that. Otherwise I'll go SKS route. I feel like if I can swing a cetme, I could possible swing an AK though. It'll probably just depend on whats at the gun show, and considering I see most AK's at 1000+ that isn't a option I think would happen.
FightLite SCR. It's a "non-scary" looking lower that takes AR uppers. So when you get you get your own place you can just slap a proper lower on it.
a little out of budget and also out of stock but I'll add it to the list
mini 30 would also be cool for having 7.62x39. how are accuracy on those things?
I have a m48 mauser with the bayonet and my dad is ok with it and likes shooting it. Theres an SKS at my local store for around 629$, main issue is I hear of 8 inch groups at 100 yards.
The main issue is I'd have to store it at a friends house or keep the thing out of sight. Its not a "mom would prefer not too" its something that would cause trouble I'd rather not have.
>8 inch groups at 100 yards
SKSs aren't tack drivers but if someone sees groups this bad it's because they can't shoot or the bore is pitted to shit. A reasonable expectation for an SKS is 3 MOA
I guess your b***h ass needs to ask your mommy which gun you can own then.
if you dont respect your elders you can just say so
3 MOA sounds perfectly fine.
>would cause trouble I'd rather not have.
what a fricking pussy. my mom found the sten gun i made at 17 and called the sherif on me lmao. go back to recdit
Boomers and genX seem to hate AR/AKs because they "look scary". My parents were always big gun people and I collected guns back when I lived with them, but the most modern thing I had was an SKS. I bought an M70 this year and whenever my parents see it they always ask if it's legal, if I get harrassed by police, if I can take it to a range, etc. My father was scared that it was in my apartment because he said it would freak people out if they saw it out of its case.
The SKS shouldn't freak out your parents because it's all wood, non-detatchable magazine and 10 round max. The only thing is the bayonet but if you have any other milsurp they shouldn't be too concerned.
How about a Non AR Bolt action that uses 5.56, the Mossberg MVP? Uses 223 5.56 and uses stanag mags.
sks finest rifle in the world, beats ak for sure.
Buy an AR and tell your parents to get over it. It's not a fricking face tattoo. If you can't do that, buy one with a slick side upper and stick it under your mattress or something idk just don't be a pussy and but what u want.
Get the sks lad. Save your money for an ar15/10 down the road. You can get a 70 dollar rear sight replacement that let's you mount a red dot and will let you feed stripper clips still. You can get the fab defense or whatever other modernized stock you want if that's your bag or keep it traditional the sight replacement isn't permanent. They are piss easy to field strip the fixed mag makes them compliant in most states, and they are fun as frick to shoot. They are the classic poorgay innawoods gun. You will eventually own other rifles but you will always love your first siminov anon.
Sks is fun
type 63 is a good option
I posted this in another thread about my SKS but thought I might as well post here too. I was shooting it and somehow the firing pin flew out of the bolt and jammed into the trigger group. The retaining pin was in the bolt so I have no idea how this happened. Just bought a new firing pin but does anyone have any theories as to how the firing pin could have shot out of the bolt even with the retaining pin still installed?
If the retaining pin is still in place your firing pin must have broken. No other way it could have gotten out.
Happens. Old gun, old parts. That's why it pays to shoot guns that spare parts are readily available for.
Yeah that was my only guess, the pin was in one piece but more bent than I would expect it to be from taking one hit from the charging handle after the last round went off. New firing pin is only about $15 so hopefully that solves it.
ruger mini 14
The only thing I can add to the thread I haven’t seen yet is a CMP garand. Not going with an AR or AK is going to limit your capacity anyway, might as well increase your bang a little. I don’t know how much they’re shipping, if at all, but a rack grade one that fully functions was $650 fewer than three years ago. Get an adjustable gas plug so you can shoot different types of ammo. Garand clips are insanely handy, they fit well in or on most modern equipment. Other than this I think you’re stuck with an SKS or a Mini14/30
https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/ They do supposedly have $650 ones in stock as well as $1100 ones anon
Something thats fud friendly but semi auto, mag fed and can mount.
My vote based off your budget without repeating recs is a Winchester 100
Cetme L (marcolmar) im assuming you meant the ptr cetme
Remington model 742
Hakim rifle, theres sporterized you can through glass on
M1 carbine avoid universal
Rasheed rifle
You have lots of options for your price range
thank you anon. never heard of the winchest 100. I did mean the ptr cetme.
Hakim, I'll keep a look out for.
m1 carbine my main concern is ammunition availability, but I'm sure reloading dies exist. if i can find a sporterized a hakim I'll definitely snag it, especially considering it uses 8mm mauser.
>Have autistic libertarian mom
>"Mom can I haz a AR15?"
>"No Anon, any gun but that."
>Buys M2 Browning
>It's fine
>and my dad refuses to go out to bat for me.
is he your character witness?