They love Ataturk because he founded the modern Turkish state. But they are ignorant of almost everything he founded the state on (besides “being Turkish”); they just wanna have lotsa mosques and do all right by God. Turkiye #1!
Typical authoritarian mindset. They just know he was Stronk. They don't give a shit he stood for everything they oppose. He was stronk kang so we wuz kangs an shiet. What a repugnant mentality.
I know Russians who brag about how great the Tzar was while simulationsly bragging about how great the Soviet Union and Lenin were.
That's what most Russians unironically believe. They don't seem to make the connection.
>I thought his islamist fanbase fricking hates attaturk
Think about this logically. (1) Having a large picture of Ataturk, plausibly placates every shade of Turkish opinion (2) it's a subtle dig at the secularist Ataturk, because he is equating himself to Ataturk, declaring he is equally important. So he cannot be criticised for (2) because of point (1).
I am British but I observe Turkey from afar and this is what I pick up on, the AKP will honour Ataturk but in a backhanded way, or mostly applaud his military conquests (which are indirectly Islamist conquests vs Christian states) as opposed to his secular & modernising agenda. The strong Islamists within the AKP voter base will not openly attack Erdogan for honouring Ataturk, because they recognise these mixed signals and acknowledge that Erdogan is "playing the game".
Not just outdated, they even had to downgrade it hard after the krauts refused to sell them engines.
it's home brew tank. It will be cheaper to produce and designed specifically to suit turkey tank doctrine.
1-Unless Turkey's tank doctrine is "break down when you hit start"... that ain't it chief. Even Hyundai warned its transmission isn't suited for this. Which anyone with a brain will tell you given after years of breakdowns they had to replace it with a german one. Something they warned erdogan about.
2-"home brew" >has had to be modified with K2 designs due to the korean imports needed to replace its previous german imports. >german gun, french armor, israeli aps (all built under licence admittedly) >already outdated design characteristics >severely lacking in optronics
No it's not made for Turkish doctrine. It's just a poor copy of what they could get their hands on lacking any of the modern advances and made with poorly fitting parts to boot. It's shit.
I mean just to explain how shit this is. The guys behind the breakdown meme machine known as the early K2 say this shit's not gonna work. THE EARLY K2. Frick me that's a mark of death and a half.
But it is arguably better than anything they currently have plus it will be a starting point for their mic to produce better tanks. Altay mk II will be a better tank compared to original altay.
>Not just outdated, they even had to downgrade it hard after the krauts refused to sell them engines.
There is nothing outdated when it comes to weapons, the Ukraine war shows this. Plus, it's a starting point.
The armor is B4C + Al2O3 plus Wolfram composites. As Turkey sits on 90% of the world's Boron reserves, they made it from local sources. There is nothing French about it. Also, Israel doesn't provide anything to Turkey since 2010. your babbling is just fanfiction.
>let me cite shit from over a decade ago to claim that the altay is outdated
Have you bothered to do even the slightest bit of research on this thing before opening your mouth? Altay isn’t downgraded because of the krauts. The new version is actually more advanced because surprise, surprise, the Turks were continuously improving it.
I have no idea about turkish politics, but all those populist wannabe dictators need to go. They're a cancer that rots their countries and makes them do moronic shit. Even China has become more stupid since Xi became a new Mao.
The new leader doesn't need to be even good, just like Lula may be a moronic tankie, but he's still an improvement over Bolsonaro.
>sensible politicians are when the New York times makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside >populism is when the elect is decided by every region but one disabled one
He's the Turkish Joe Biden, a puppet for his masters. He's so fricking unpopular that Erdogan is actually CLOSING the voter gap between them and it's very likely that he'll win again. The opposition literally just needed to run absolutely ANYONE else and not suck up to PKK, sorry, HDP and they would have this in the bag but they shot themselves in the foot with this literal CIA stooge goon.
lmao I see he has the 3rd world warlord aesthetics down pat. Huge photo of himself and ataturk, massive flag, only 2 tanks, bigass podium, giving a political speech instead of letting the army actually explain what its doing, 0 professionalism, 0 self awareness. Holy shit that's cringe. How can the Turks look at this and feel any pride whatsoever? If my president did that my sides would enter a race with my spine to see who gets to mars first. Jesus christ almighty.
Is he really trying to present himself equal to Atatürk?
Isn't he? Atatürk turned the Ottoman Empire into the secular Turkey, while Erdogan made it islamist again
no, not even remotely. frick no in fact
>Erdogan comparing himself to fricking Ataturk
Really Black person?
I promise you he WILL go down this election. possibly the best thing I will ever do
I thought his islamist fanbase fricking hates attaturk
They love Ataturk because he founded the modern Turkish state. But they are ignorant of almost everything he founded the state on (besides “being Turkish”); they just wanna have lotsa mosques and do all right by God. Turkiye #1!
Typical authoritarian mindset. They just know he was Stronk. They don't give a shit he stood for everything they oppose. He was stronk kang so we wuz kangs an shiet. What a repugnant mentality.
You have the same mindset. You just basedjak over someone else while a shadow bureaucracy runs everything anyway.
I know Russians who brag about how great the Tzar was while simulationsly bragging about how great the Soviet Union and Lenin were.
That's what most Russians unironically believe. They don't seem to make the connection.
>I thought his islamist fanbase fricking hates attaturk
Think about this logically. (1) Having a large picture of Ataturk, plausibly placates every shade of Turkish opinion (2) it's a subtle dig at the secularist Ataturk, because he is equating himself to Ataturk, declaring he is equally important. So he cannot be criticised for (2) because of point (1).
I am British but I observe Turkey from afar and this is what I pick up on, the AKP will honour Ataturk but in a backhanded way, or mostly applaud his military conquests (which are indirectly Islamist conquests vs Christian states) as opposed to his secular & modernising agenda. The strong Islamists within the AKP voter base will not openly attack Erdogan for honouring Ataturk, because they recognise these mixed signals and acknowledge that Erdogan is "playing the game".
TURAN STRONG
whats up with big ass photos? its not like new mbt called after papa turk or erdogan designed it himself
What‘s the point of building a tank that is already outdated and outclassed before it is even put into service?
it's home brew tank. It will be cheaper to produce and designed specifically to suit turkey tank doctrine.
Propaganda??
>outdated and outclassed
Says who? You?
Not just outdated, they even had to downgrade it hard after the krauts refused to sell them engines.
1-Unless Turkey's tank doctrine is "break down when you hit start"... that ain't it chief. Even Hyundai warned its transmission isn't suited for this. Which anyone with a brain will tell you given after years of breakdowns they had to replace it with a german one. Something they warned erdogan about.
2-"home brew"
>has had to be modified with K2 designs due to the korean imports needed to replace its previous german imports.
>german gun, french armor, israeli aps (all built under licence admittedly)
>already outdated design characteristics
>severely lacking in optronics
No it's not made for Turkish doctrine. It's just a poor copy of what they could get their hands on lacking any of the modern advances and made with poorly fitting parts to boot. It's shit.
I mean just to explain how shit this is. The guys behind the breakdown meme machine known as the early K2 say this shit's not gonna work. THE EARLY K2. Frick me that's a mark of death and a half.
But it is arguably better than anything they currently have plus it will be a starting point for their mic to produce better tanks. Altay mk II will be a better tank compared to original altay.
How is the armor French and the APS is actually a Turkish Ukrainian project developed from Zaslon.
>Zaslon
Sorry I mean PULAT
https://defense-update.com/20180307_akkor_pulat.html#.ZEaa9i-B3-Q
>Not just outdated, they even had to downgrade it hard after the krauts refused to sell them engines.
There is nothing outdated when it comes to weapons, the Ukraine war shows this. Plus, it's a starting point.
Are you genuinely moronic?Modern western weapons in Ukraine outperform older slavshit all the time.
The armor is B4C + Al2O3 plus Wolfram composites. As Turkey sits on 90% of the world's Boron reserves, they made it from local sources. There is nothing French about it. Also, Israel doesn't provide anything to Turkey since 2010. your babbling is just fanfiction.
>let me cite shit from over a decade ago to claim that the altay is outdated
Have you bothered to do even the slightest bit of research on this thing before opening your mouth? Altay isn’t downgraded because of the krauts. The new version is actually more advanced because surprise, surprise, the Turks were continuously improving it.
its 2023 dude they presented 13 new systems some of them especially the drones were at least 6 years ahead of development what do you expect lol
>that fricking watermelon seller picture at the side of Atatürk
I really hope that senile roach dies soon, disgusting
This man will absolutely destroy Erdocuck
Hasn't this dude lost like 5 elections to Erdogan already.
sixth time the charm.
I have never heard of him running president before. Are you suggesting he has done it 5 times?
I have no idea about turkish politics, but all those populist wannabe dictators need to go. They're a cancer that rots their countries and makes them do moronic shit. Even China has become more stupid since Xi became a new Mao.
The new leader doesn't need to be even good, just like Lula may be a moronic tankie, but he's still an improvement over Bolsonaro.
>sensible politicians are when the New York times makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside
>populism is when the elect is decided by every region but one disabled one
>Personality cults and we wuz kangs are sensible policy
No.
NYT are midwits who hate sensible leaders (see William Safire and LKY)
lula isn't an improvement over bolsonaro at all
trips confirm.
he looks wholesome.
but kinda israeli
Honestly hes just going to be erdogan with less overt islamism, nothing will really change
At this point, switching the bossman has value of its own even if the replacement is more of the same.
He's the Turkish Joe Biden, a puppet for his masters. He's so fricking unpopular that Erdogan is actually CLOSING the voter gap between them and it's very likely that he'll win again. The opposition literally just needed to run absolutely ANYONE else and not suck up to PKK, sorry, HDP and they would have this in the bag but they shot themselves in the foot with this literal CIA stooge goon.
He is the reincarnation of Atatürk.
lmao I see he has the 3rd world warlord aesthetics down pat. Huge photo of himself and ataturk, massive flag, only 2 tanks, bigass podium, giving a political speech instead of letting the army actually explain what its doing, 0 professionalism, 0 self awareness. Holy shit that's cringe. How can the Turks look at this and feel any pride whatsoever? If my president did that my sides would enter a race with my spine to see who gets to mars first. Jesus christ almighty.
If it is equal or better than a Western tank from the 1980s, it's already a good start.
Atalayy lmao
Anyayyy lmao
she looks creepy as frick. i don't care what everybody else says.
By looking at this I get the impression i should go and visit Turkey before it becomes a pariah state like Russia ended up being