not that special a kludge for soviets either.
they swapped parts from armored vehicles and naval turrets back and forth several times for the sake of simplicity, didn't they?
>Day 500 of the American special intervention into Mexico >M13 half track with twin 50 cal mount spotted somewhere near the front >/chmg/: it's just as good as MPF!
>Browning M2 >1933 >Oerlikon 20 mm cannon >1937 >First Army of the world
It`s not about age, homie, it`s about efficiency. And that`s why I don`t laugh at ukies for Maxim Machine gun - it was made in 1884 slow rate of fire? Yeah, but you can fire from it like for eternity coz of water cooling.
>It`s not about age, homie, it`s about efficiency.
It's a 450 RPM piece of shit with a fully mechanical gunsight that's using a meme 25mm round that only the Navy stocks at all.
The ZU-23-2 mogs it so hard it's not even funny.
The only reason Russia is welding this trash to vehicles is because they're running out of anything remotely modern.
This is a fair point, you won't be able to see this but imagine a montage of me researching and digging up picrel. Currently listening to this if it helps because it's been stuck in my head for the last few days and it won't leave.
Going by what I could dig up, the first designated SPAAG was the Vickers Dragon, built around 1932, that had a 47mm Pom-Pom gun and was used by the Royal Thai Army in their war against France. It's...surprisingly not too far behind what Russia in 2023 has created in terms of actually capability. The Russian...thing, is obviously the better of the two, but not amazingly so.
If you want to strech it, there were AA guns mounted on trucks during late WW1, but none of these were tracked. And since I have done the same of autistic research a load of times too (see for example
Thats because it pretty much is. The lineage is a bit complicated but it goes like this. The Soviet Navy bought a bunch of Bofors 25mm m/1933 guns from Sweden in 1935. Bofors then develops a 40mm variant (the m/36, also know as the Bofors 40mm/L60 we all know and love) and the Soviets decide they want to mass produce something similar, so they upscale the design of the old m/33s they have into something similar, the 61-K. They then later want more 25mm guns so they downscale the 61-K back to 25mm and mass produces it as the 72-K in 1940.
All absurdity aside this thing looks like it'd be a super fun offroad vehicle. Slap a removable frame and add a tarp you got yourself a pretty cool open air camper. Shake these cute little tractors from the 50s are gonna get destroyed by incompetence and/or million dollar ordnance.
I weep for the abused surplus
in all seriousness at this point the war has soured Ukies on Russians to such a fricking ridiculous degree that I just don't understand what the frick Russia even wants from the war anymore
if they win and take huge chunks or all of Ukraine they have a new territory with a population of up to 40 million that absolutely will either engage in violent partisan resistance or at least shelter partisans, many of whom speak Russian already and can effortlessly blend into Russian society, shares a multiple hundred km long porous border with Russia proper, and the entire region is now fricking flooded with guns and people with military experience. it's going to be utterly ungovernable and a source of domestic terrorism for fricking decades
multipolar world order something something america rule is weakening something something russia superpower something something
I just don't understand how a nation of Italy GDP is supposed to be a world leader >but muh china will work with Russia
China has no interest in helping Russia, they will just make them a vassal state really cheaply.
Russia had never a chance to be a world superpower.
isn’t Italy like the world’s 8th economic power or something
being in the top 10-15 grants quite the leadership status if you ask me
the real elephant in the room is the fact that Russia has the same GDP as Italy despite having twice the population, 1000x the size and 100000000x the resources
what? Russia has been the export leader on a shitton resources for the longest time
they would be infinitely richer if they weren’t anything but a bunch of corrupt , FAS-ridden subhumans
They’re very rich based mostly on gas sales to Europe. Germany is the heartland of European industry, and it’s funding Putin’s regime. That’s why the West is hellbent on cutting Putin off from that gas trade.
The fact is that Putin’s regime took the gas profits and spent it on palaces, yachts, private jets, etc. Not on the military which they let rot. Putin and his circle of oligarchs came to trust in Western institutions not to get involved and protect their financial gains — why they put like 800b into various banks thinking that money would be safe if they actually had to turn against the world. They would have been better off investing that 800b into critical industries, modernizations, etc, but that’s not how modern Russia operates. Putin only wants the gas to be left alone so he can retire to his mega palace and see the world on his mega yacht.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They didn't leave the military to rot. They looted, robbed and stole the military as much as they could.
Putin's regime doesn't take gas profits and spreads it around the whole power structure of Russia. It takes profits from anything that isn''t nailed down, gas included. Russia is just a massive continental sized racket for them.
And the oligarchs and the people who get this money need Putin more than he needs them. Because without Godfather Putin they wouldn't be getting all this stolen blood money. Putin is the one who keeps the schemes going, not them.
Ironically Italy is equally corrupt and thieving, but somehow it manages to not frick it up so catastrophically in the process (nowadays, for the time being).
They are resettling areas they've taken in Ukraine with Russian minorities they've paid to come and live in the houses of dead Ukrainians.
in all seriousness at this point the war has soured Ukies on Russians to such a fricking ridiculous degree that I just don't understand what the frick Russia even wants from the war anymore
if they win and take huge chunks or all of Ukraine they have a new territory with a population of up to 40 million that absolutely will either engage in violent partisan resistance or at least shelter partisans, many of whom speak Russian already and can effortlessly blend into Russian society, shares a multiple hundred km long porous border with Russia proper, and the entire region is now fricking flooded with guns and people with military experience. it's going to be utterly ungovernable and a source of domestic terrorism for fricking decades
At this point if Putin doesn't deliver something that sort of resembles a victory his life is in danger.
>If the captured areas being in ruins with effectively no economy, what's the fricking point?
Its enough for Russians if more of the map is Russia-colored
>They are resettling areas they've taken in Ukraine with Russian minorities they've paid to come and live in the houses of dead Ukrainians.
Ah yes, Haiti along the Azov.
Eternal glory to the Ruski Mir.
Note: this is where Russia actually attempted to fix things over the last year.
Buiding a potemkin apartment building isn't "trying to fix" shit. No, making some dude wear a Putin mask while people yell at you doesn't count either.
Gonna be crazy when Russia loses and it comes time to deport the monkeys they brought along with. Upswing is they can be relieved of all of their possessions (save maybe one set of clothing). Paltry loot, but better than nothing.
it seems to have been a self fulfilling prophecy, they succeeded in expanding NATO borders all the way to ukraine and exposing themselves as human rights violators approaching parity with nazis
>I just don't understand what the frick Russia even wants
Destruction of "the West", simple as. This includes any decadent "western" values in Russia, such as individualism and private initiative.
>I just don't understand what the frick Russia even wants from the war anymore
At this point it is just a matter of regime survival. The initial idea of a quick shock takeover could have theoretically worked in the long run for Russia, everyone in Ukraine and abroad would have been so shocked by it that Russia could have got away with it with manageable resistance, but now? Even the best case scenario for them is Pyrrhic as frick, with their Soviet-era equipment stock gone, tons of corpses and cripples, Europe detaching itself from the gas titty of Russia, risks of partisan activity in occupied territories…
There’s nothing that resembles a real, meaningful win scenario anymore, but the joke is that Putin and his inner circle can’t just pull off with loss either. So what do they do? Extend this whole shitshow of a war, because it means that nobody is going to throw them out of windows for losing a war. Yet.
Putin has 0 interest in Ukraine. He needed Crimea to secure the Black Sea gas fields. Beyond that he just needs a friendly government to stop trying to develop shale gas fields in the East of the country. Putin achieved that goal in 2014, but that was a temporary solution. They banked on Nordstream to provide security against a West-connected Ukraine cutting Russia off from the giant European gas market — but when the US killed it politically Putin felt he had no choice but to try and do a regime change.
Now that you’ve been educated in the real geopolitical factors in play you will be ignorant no longer.
Ukraine almost managed to start the process by signing a big fraking deal with Shell (and Chevron?) in November of 2013…and what happened just a few months later? Why did Shell pull out of the deal — not a secret, they left the deal due to proximity to a warzone. This was a cause-and-effect that Putin aimed for.
Blowing Nordstream was a US op as literally everyone not brain dead moron knows. This was done to force Germany off Russian gas and to deflate all the German internal agitation for returning to Russian gas.
I don’t know what Putin’s long-term plan is, but it takes time to build major LNG terminals, these are major projects, plus building the extra capacity of LNG ships. Putin is probably banking on having a few years before he’s cut off from European gas sales forever. Current super high gas prices have been helping him survive, maybe he’s counting on that to carry him too.
If you believe that Russia has even the slightest interest in killing it, let alone the capability to do it without detection, than you ARE the brain-dead moron.
Not him but whoever else would gain something on doing it? If Russia wanted to stop the gas flow they could just have shut the valve.
There is the 4d chess idea that Russia blew it up just to blame the US for doing it but given how incompetent the Russian navy is I doubht they could have pulled it off, or atleast not without not leaving a shitload of evidence.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Lots of countries stand to gain from it you fricking moron including Ukraine
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah, there are plenty of countries who would gain something from it, including Ukraine but the only other country who might could have pulled it of and has something political to gain from it is Norway.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Poland absolutely could have done it just to frick with the Germans.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Poland absolutly has the political will, but the capability? I doubht it, they have what, one operational old ass Kilo that everyone and their mom knows where it is as soon as it leaves port.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Russia was liable for penalties for failure to deliver, which they were doing because they were really hoping that Europe would freeze, which is why the pipeline blew up from the inside after a long shutdown due to "unexpected problems".
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you believe that Russia has even the slightest interest in killing it, let alone the capability to do it without detection, than you ARE the brain-dead moron.
Ukraine almost managed to start the process by signing a big fraking deal with Shell (and Chevron?) in November of 2013…and what happened just a few months later? Why did Shell pull out of the deal — not a secret, they left the deal due to proximity to a warzone. This was a cause-and-effect that Putin aimed for.
Blowing Nordstream was a US op as literally everyone not brain dead moron knows. This was done to force Germany off Russian gas and to deflate all the German internal agitation for returning to Russian gas.
I don’t know what Putin’s long-term plan is, but it takes time to build major LNG terminals, these are major projects, plus building the extra capacity of LNG ships. Putin is probably banking on having a few years before he’s cut off from European gas sales forever. Current super high gas prices have been helping him survive, maybe he’s counting on that to carry him too.
Germangay here, Russia did it and its not even hard to see from our perspective, blowing up the pipeline was an exit strategy for a failed plan of Russia:
1. deliver as little gas as legally possible to Germany so it can't fill up it's reserves for the winter and gets it into a panic
2. force Germany to decide if they use the gas for themselves instead of sharing it with countries that are dependent as second row users on North Stream 1
3. force Germany to open and legitimize North Stream 2 which had better contracts for Russia
4. use the new pipelines to bypass pipelines in Poland and Ukraine so they have individual levers to pressure singular countries by shifting their delivery through different pipelines
5. additionally use this to pitch EU countries against each other (f.e. deliver barely enough to one country, but not enough it can share it with another they stopped delivering to)
That was the plan and Russia kept coming up with excuses to further reduce the gas delivery through NS1 to Germany through the summer to the point where the german chancellor let himself be photographed before a repaired or maintenanced gas turbine for pipelines ready to be shipped for weeks, of which Russia claimed they were still waiting for it to be ready to be delivered to them from Germany. Picture related.
But the whole russian plan didn't work, Germany managed to get enough gas from elsewhere and Russia was already on the brink to pay a hefty fine since they didn't delivered the amount of gas they should by the contract and at the end it was also clear how Germany wouldn't buy anymore gas from them in the future, so they blew the thing up and left one of NS2 pipelines intact for possible future deliveries and deniability.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Germangay here, Russia did it and its not even hard to see from our perspective,
ah yes totally a german and not just a shithead in one of the near defunct bases over there
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah, because so many non germans would know about the chancellor posing before gas turbine thing, Ivan. Go take your cope and shove it up your seethe.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I know about because I follow the chancellor's Instagram account. But I also know German.
t. Pole
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the chancellor's Instagram account.
Why would you do this to yourself?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not that German flag, but yeah, you are moronic, the post summarizes the events and German perspective pretty well.
Most importantly though: No one really cares. 30% of the country is happy that the pipeline is gone, 20% are east Germans somewhat butthurt about 'leebil us plot' but they can't do anything other than pout and prefer to pout about other things, like: "why don't we negooooootiate. Ahhhhhh, we need to negooooootiate." and 50% have already forgotten about the whole thing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>, 20% are east Germans
what's up with easterners being russian wienersuckers? you'd think they'd be the ones that were the most anti-russian, what with eastern germany being a shitpit compared to western germany - similarly how eastern european countries hate russia while the west used to be ambivalent towards it
1 year ago
Anonymous
The problem is that east germans were not adapted to western economics, and did get swindled by many. The first to come to east germany were people claiming their ancestral homes or factories (in which other people had build their lives), people who bought factories cheap and dismantled them while sending the tooling for a profit to even more shithole countries, and general swindlers who sell shitty western cars to not knowing east germans.
This coupled with that the “reunification” was more of a expansion of the BRD, instead of a merger, and the first people crossing the border in both directions were those who had nothing to loose, lead to this only slowly dissipating hatred between the former two germanies.
Since my parents are east germans, i got quite a few first hand accounts from family. For example, after the wall went down, former east german officers were not allowed to put their rank in the former NVA into their curricullum vitae. Similarily, not all engineering degrees were accepted either.
These negative circumstances which the east germans found themselves in, plus the propaganda of the russian liberator and friend, which they were raised with, leads to today, in which quite a few of the eastgermans see the russians still in a positive light.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Imagine the size of a communist state and its government. Now imagine how many people it employs and how much of its money is spent on salaries and pensions for these people it employes and their associates and family members
Now imagine what happens when all these people and their families don't have government jobs and welfare anymore because the communist government that sustained them got the ending it always deserved. Imagine what they all think now that they actually had to work for a living for 30 years.
1 year ago
Anonymous
East Yuropoorgay here. This plan was extremely transparent to us, we've been dealing with these sorts of frick-frick games from the vatniks for over a decade, even before the first invasion.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I'm American and this is exactly how I explained it as it was happening back then. Russia LOVES deniability, and they didn't want to just shut off gas. They kept claiming maintenance issues over and over, then finally when they ran out of that excuse they just blow the thing up. It was a ploy to put the squeeze on Germany and try to freeze them out over the winter.
Instead what happened is Germany, being a functional western nation with proper diplomatic ties, just bought gas from elsewhere and managed to fill its NG terminals to bursting and THEN God had his laugh and gave Europe one of its mildest winters on record. Putin literally could not stop losing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
In addition, functioning but infactive NS1 pipelines are a threat to Putin in the long run. This is because Germany will phase out buying gas as long as Putin is in power. Some people in Russia are interested in selling gas to Germany. By destroying the pipelines Putin simply destroys the bargain chip that any future Russian leader after him would have, vastly reducing any motivation and probability that he is overthrown.
1 year ago
Anonymous
East Yuropoorgay here. This plan was extremely transparent to us, we've been dealing with these sorts of frick-frick games from the vatniks for over a decade, even before the first invasion.
Yeah, I'm American and this is exactly how I explained it as it was happening back then. Russia LOVES deniability, and they didn't want to just shut off gas. They kept claiming maintenance issues over and over, then finally when they ran out of that excuse they just blow the thing up. It was a ploy to put the squeeze on Germany and try to freeze them out over the winter.
Instead what happened is Germany, being a functional western nation with proper diplomatic ties, just bought gas from elsewhere and managed to fill its NG terminals to bursting and THEN God had his laugh and gave Europe one of its mildest winters on record. Putin literally could not stop losing.
In addition, functioning but infactive NS1 pipelines are a threat to Putin in the long run. This is because Germany will phase out buying gas as long as Putin is in power. Some people in Russia are interested in selling gas to Germany. By destroying the pipelines Putin simply destroys the bargain chip that any future Russian leader after him would have, vastly reducing any motivation and probability that he is overthrown.
So was the German-Russian gas pipeline deal just the fricking Goodfellas restaurant scheme IRL?
I would use this scene on here to explain to gringos how a political regime like Putin's works but I wasn't expecting that it would be this close.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's more like corpo bullshit, when one company lets itself become more and more dependent on the other without noticing it and doing anything against it, then the other company pulls the rug out from under them, lets it almost collapse and then buys the whole thing for pennies.
Putin has 0 interest in Ukraine. He needed Crimea to secure the Black Sea gas fields. Beyond that he just needs a friendly government to stop trying to develop shale gas fields in the East of the country. Putin achieved that goal in 2014, but that was a temporary solution. They banked on Nordstream to provide security against a West-connected Ukraine cutting Russia off from the giant European gas market — but when the US killed it politically Putin felt he had no choice but to try and do a regime change.
Now that you’ve been educated in the real geopolitical factors in play you will be ignorant no longer.
Why are /misc/Black folk so laughably inept at everything?
You haven't looked at things recently have you. European gas prices are half what they were in Jan 2022, and Russia is down from 50% of the supply to 4%. Russian gas is done.
>Current super high gas prices
https://www.theice.com/products/27996665/Dutch-TTF-Gas-Futures/data?marketId=5544919&span=3
The price right now is lower than it was before feb. 22.
This is why people never saw the invasion coming, it's the assumption that Russians behave in a rational manner like everyone else. Russians are subhuman and pootpoot just wanted to go down in history or something moronic like that.
But Russia literally already had Crimea before the war started. They built a fricking bridge to it, it was that under control.
The truth is that Putin just really believes his imperialist historical theory. And if your view is 200 years old, a couple hundred thousand dead and cripples doesn't mean shit to the tsar.
Ukraine almost managed to start the process by signing a big fraking deal with Shell (and Chevron?) in November of 2013…and what happened just a few months later? Why did Shell pull out of the deal — not a secret, they left the deal due to proximity to a warzone. This was a cause-and-effect that Putin aimed for.
Blowing Nordstream was a US op as literally everyone not brain dead moron knows. This was done to force Germany off Russian gas and to deflate all the German internal agitation for returning to Russian gas.
I don’t know what Putin’s long-term plan is, but it takes time to build major LNG terminals, these are major projects, plus building the extra capacity of LNG ships. Putin is probably banking on having a few years before he’s cut off from European gas sales forever. Current super high gas prices have been helping him survive, maybe he’s counting on that to carry him too.
>real geopolitical factors
A meme. What drives politics is intellectual or the lack of the intellectual, not material circunstances and interests.
>that absolutely will either engage in violent partisan resistance or at least shelter partisans
Russia dealt with that in areas they occupied already. They planned to do it throughout the country.
>in all seriousness at this point the war has soured Ukies on Russians to such a fricking ridiculous degree that I just don't understand what the frick Russia even wants from the war anymore
This point still boggles my mind. Before the war, they were ALL saying "russia and ukraine are brotherly countries, we would never fight, NATO just wants war", and then the narrative switches on a dime in a few months and they go "Kill all hohol piggies". Severed a 1000+ year cultural link in less than a year, and these same people will say you're the one that's brainwashed
>they were ALL saying "russia and ukraine are brotherly countries, we would never fight, NATO just wants war"
Sort of. After 2013, the state-controlled (meaning 95% of all) mass-media started portraying Ukrainians as greedy backwards morons, incapable of thinking for themselves. Prior to 2022, this agitprop had been running for over 7 years.
>I just don't understand what the frick Russia even wants from the war anymore
That's because you shouldn't think about what Russia wants, it's not a sentient being it has no capacity to want anything. Think about what different groups of people might want.
The leadership at this point wants a miracle to happen so at the end they have something to show for to internal population. They can't simply pull out so they are stuck in it
It's not really about conquering anymore, it's all about the only way out for Puting being Russia having some kind of victory in order to justify this war and not have his own people turn against him.
Sunk cost
With the amount of troops and equipment he has thrown into the grinder, putin can't stop the clusterfrick from rolling anymore even if he wants to. He simply can't
If the claims of Putin being treated for cancer are true (and being from a med family, my folks and their friends think he is on treatment for cancer due to 'steroid bloat') then Putin can wait until he dies and he can have the legacy of 'He made Russia great and took on all of NATO and didn't lose' and then the guy in charge after him is the guy who has to make the decision and it'll be HIM to blame, not Putin.
Russia is hoping that support ends for the Ukraine in one way or another. The US is the only state that has surplus to continue to supply Ukraine with. Everybody else is either empty or unwillingly to hand over. I had hoped by now the West would have started opening new military production facilities. Rhinemetal went up like 150% in value. BAE went up 50%. There is money to be made. >b-b-but what about after the war
People will want to buy shells because they see how important artillery is. But no nation is going 'lets build 100 155mm shell factories and get those bad boys churning shit out'. USA is trying to increase production - but nowhere near what Ukraine needs. BAE was expanding its production in UK but that's going to take years to get going. Only the USA has the capacity and capability to get shit done in short time frame (in the West, at least). China could easily worker ant build masses of factories to churn shit out in a war. This is ultimately the issue with a theoretical war with China. Yeah most of their industry is on the coast and in bomber range, but China will happily spend millions of worker ants to move those factories in-land out of bomber range and build more and work around the clock in punishing shifts to produce whatever they need while millions of guys with sticks can man beach defences.
So either the west is unwilling to supply Ukraine with what it needs to win, or the west can't. A lot of European nations have given minimal stuff to avoid issues and accusations of not helping.
You're forgetting the other asia pacific countries - South Korea and Australia being two of the prime examples. There's about 1m/yr of capacity for 155mm between APAC, US, and Europe. South Korea is doing swap deals with the US to avoid directly sending equipment to a warzone, but the effect is the same - there are plenty of shells. South Korea just announced a 500k shell swap, which is enough for 5-6 months. Other long range fires like GMLRS, SDB, Excalibur, etc are also being spun up, and Russia has nothing to match these capabilities.
The US has a long history of terminating support of allies. The usual pattern is the ally proves to be incompetent / corrupt, the US loses confidence in them, and when faced with the decision to either commit in force or to just pull the plug, the US will always pull the plug.
Right now the US is standing behind Ukraine, but that was ONLY when it was apparent Russia lacked the strength to regime change them quickly. However, note that US support has cooled off greatly, only giving Ukraine barely enough cash to survive, only just now expanding ammo production, dragged its feet supplying the desperately requested heavy vehicles, etc. If a Republican is elected don’t be horribly surprised if Ukraine gets soft-dropped.
Jan 20, 2025 is 645 days away. The war has gone on for 414 days so far. Russia is already struggling badly, they cannot sustain this for another 645 days in the hopes that a republican will take office and end aid to Ukraine. US support is dramatically more pronounced than it was 6 months ago. US popular support for arming Ukraine is still in the 60-70% range, and higher in Europe. The gas crisis is over and not coming back, Europe has survived the energy war and has no reason to return to friendly relations with Russia. This is a delusion, you are seeing what you want to see.
I can't remember what the estimated daily requirement was for Ukraine but it wasn't small. Artillery is the king atm because it requires the least training for effectiveness. But it isn't just about shells. We have to replace the damaged/destroyed vehicles they have lost. We have to provide 'reserve' stuff. We have to keep giving them AA systems because if that leak is to be believed that is the current weak spot. Ukraine needs hundreds of mobile AA systems that are capable of defeating Russian aircraft with a high success rate AND the missiles/rounds to do it because if they do a counter-offensive without them, Russia can use its air force (which is barely damaged and hardly used atm) to delete the attacks.
This is why my annoyance with Switzerland destroying those perfectly viable Rapier batteries. They're not amazing tech but they're still effective on a truck and driven around with other AA. But no 'Swiss weapons must not be used in war' or some bullshit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Which is why we will likely see F-16's before too much longer. NATO has near infinite munitions to supply aircraft for air defense, and they can cover a wider area, as well as serving in other roles than air-to-air engagements. The US has also been supplying a considerable number of armored vehicles, and is still drawing from older or out of service stockpiles, leaving room for escalation.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Artillery is the king atm because it requires the least training for effectiveness.
This is moronic. You're moronic. I'm moronic for giving you a (you) because you don't deserve it.
>South Korea just announced a 500k shell swap,
Only lending and isn't it still under consideration?
>The war has gone on for 414 days so far. Russia is already struggling badly, they cannot sustain this for another 645 days in the hopes that a republican will take office and end aid to Ukraine.
If it lasts that long hopefully the prospect of policy changing would get Biden to try to be less cautious with aid while he has the chance. Whichever party wins, even with the ramp up in production, its doubtful that the rate which some of the equipment is being sent is sustainable in the long term.
1 year ago
Anonymous
South Korea is lending the shells to the US, so that the US can send shells from the stockpile to Ukraine without depleting the stockpile. South Korea doesn't want their shells going to Ukraine, but don't mind them sitting in an arsenal in the US so that American shells can go to Ukraine.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Its not a long term solution to US stockpile shortage and doesn't make it look like South Korea is keen on sending a large numbers in the future.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The US is remarkably effective at mass production especially with profit to be made.
They've already kidnapped massive amounts of Ukrainian citizens including children, and shipped them off into the Russian interior to be raped and beaten into compliance.
They're like a shitty primitive borg, they only understand cruelty and trying to break down everything into more of themselves to keep the country going a day longer.
>up to 40 million that absolutely will either engage in violent partisan resistance
the average age in both countries is over 40, you are not going to get afghan tier resistance movement with population that old
thats what the russian command is betting on anyway
Not quite. It's expending other youth while Muscovites generally escape deployment. Fighting to the last Buryat, Tatar etc. (Not the last Chechen, Kadyrov gets to keep those.)
It no longer has anything to do with any goals of the war.
Putin is playing for time hoping for a miracle.
He urgently needs peace on terms that he can sell as a victory at home.
In fact, everything that has been going on since the spring of 2022 is Putin's personal war for his physical survival.
As others have said, Putin is simply playing for time now in hopes something comes up in his favour, such as a Trump re-election or westerners get bored and force an end in his favour.
If Ukraine manage to actually reach the Black sea this spring/summer, I can see him jumping out a window entirely of his own volition.
Look at Chechnya. They will kill people for 10-15 years until there's nobody with any initiative left. That's what Girkin wrote about doing in his lil novel some group lifted from his mailbox. That butterface is a literal butcher.
Chechnya is a tiny little piss squirt of land and no one, but no one helped them. Russia has so far failed to defeat the regular Ukrainian army or even its equivalent of the nasty girls and shows no signs of being able to do so. An "occupation" will be a nightmare, collaborators will be murdered in their beds and Russian occupying troops will be limited to hard points if they don't want to be ambushed. This is already happening with regular assassinations of both parties in territories the Russians currently hold.
>forgets he's dealing with mongrels
They gulaged millions of people before. They also starved Ukraine out before lol! Why wouldn't these subhumans do it again?
>russian >think
Pick one.
Their entire history of several last centuries was
1. Rob the country/countries
2. Buy technologies from gullible westerners
3. Start genocidal wars with neighbours
4. Spiral into civil wars and hunger
5. Rob the country/countries
6. Repeat
They probably found some long abandoned soviet era naval depot somewhere with a shitload of old guns taken from scrapped warships and enough ammo to last a while.
Is 1941 levels of desperation with 1941 era weapons all over again.
if they are doing that expect to possibly see some t-34 turrets at some point. they used those for naval guns
Actually kinda cool looking ngl, much better than the Abomination
yeah, its definitely got some asthetics going on there.
Imagine an entire line of those full tracked vehicles with AA, Artillery, Anti Armor, etc mounted like that.
I could see it being a thing.
Thats because it pretty much is. The lineage is a bit complicated but it goes like this. The Soviet Navy bought a bunch of Bofors 25mm m/1933 guns from Sweden in 1935. Bofors then develops a 40mm variant (the m/36, also know as the Bofors 40mm/L60 we all know and love) and the Soviets decide they want to mass produce something similar, so they upscale the design of the old m/33s they have into something similar, the 61-K. They then later want more 25mm guns so they downscale the 61-K back to 25mm and mass produces it as the 72-K in 1940.
AA flak cannons have been used as anti-infantry since their inceptions. They're literally anti-infantry weapons turned into a thing to hit aircraft anyway. But the issue here is that Russian is attaching 1940's weaponry onto trucks and shit as if they were Somaliland trying to fend off invading forces by using technicals, rather than the invading force that had a huge stock of modern equipment that they've burned through.
All of which were lost by their respective users.
A grim omen indeed. >s-second c-chechen war
Was also lost. Imagine someone saying the Confederacy being allowed to persist as a semi-autonomous state entity, recognized as legitimate by DC, having their domestic budget guaranteed by the largess of DC, and all that at the cost of pledging to be loyal was a "Union Victory".
This is what vatniks actually perceive as a winning conclusion to Chechnya.
There is no win condition for Russia in Ukraine anymore. In fact, there wasn't a win condition since they failed the Kyiv rush. They were completely and utterly dependent upon Ukraine putting up no - little resistance. The fact that Russia hasn't pulled out is an indicator that Putin literally had no backup plan if Ukraine had resisted and this entire war, all the deaths and loss of equipment, is because one man can't admit that Russia fricked up. So Russia will lose hundreds of thousands if not millions of men from not only the casualties from the war but all the men who have fled Russia to avoid the conscription. That amount of brain drain and loss in production is something that will severely hamper Russia for decades to come.
Seriously, Russia could have just pulled out of Ukraine after they saw the level of resistance, built up a more significant force over the next decade and tried again later. But there will be no "later" now with the sheer amount of resources Russia has lost in Ukraine. Putin and the oligarchs are apparently fine with draining Russia of healthy young men and throwing them into a meat grinder in the hopes that the West will blink first. But that's not going to happen. It's basically over for Putin and the current Russian military at this point. They will be unable to wage any further war outside of Ukraine or pose any threat to the world for the next 20 years minimum. And let's not even talk about the damage done to Russia's economy, the results of which have only begun to take hold and will become even more apparent over the next few years. If Putin cared at all about Russia, he would simply admit his mistake, resign, appoint a successor, and disappear into the night, and the fact that the oligarch's themselves haven't demanded Putin's head yet is quite surprising unless Putin has more power in Russia than even the combined might of the oligarch's.
False. There are two conditions:
1. US ends support taking the rest of NATO with them. Ukraine will collapse financially and militarily shortly afterwards when the leadership bails out. Putin then can install a new government.
2. Putin declares victory now or in the near future and seeks a peace agreement and normalization of relations. He can lean on the Russian separatist population as a political crutch in this effort. Europe will strongly gravitate towards a peace agreement and if the US lets then that’s that.
The reasons why these are victories for Putin is because this war is about his gas sales to Europe. If he can bring in a friendly government he can end threat of being cut out of that market. The 2nd win is a minor victory, making sure much of the shale gas fields Ukraine tried to develop with the West some 10 years ago stay empty. He really needed the regime change since the US wouldn’t let him keep Nordstream, but a peace agreement now would put him in a stronger position to resume a war at a later time so it’s still a win.
>1. US ends support taking the rest of NATO with them.
First sentence and you are already wrong. The US won't end its support, it may limit it, but it won't end it. And even if it does, there are European countries that will continue supporting Ukraine for as long as it's necessary. Didn't bother to read the rest of your post.
The US has a long history of terminating support of allies. The usual pattern is the ally proves to be incompetent / corrupt, the US loses confidence in them, and when faced with the decision to either commit in force or to just pull the plug, the US will always pull the plug.
Right now the US is standing behind Ukraine, but that was ONLY when it was apparent Russia lacked the strength to regime change them quickly. However, note that US support has cooled off greatly, only giving Ukraine barely enough cash to survive, only just now expanding ammo production, dragged its feet supplying the desperately requested heavy vehicles, etc. If a Republican is elected don’t be horribly surprised if Ukraine gets soft-dropped.
>but a peace agreement now would put him in a stronger position to resume a war at a later time so it’s still a win.
Which is why Ukraine won't accept it. NATO also isn't moronic and understands that allowing Russia to gain from this war is appeasement and will just lead to a worse war later.
NATO did NOTHING as Ukraine was invaded and Crimea was taken. The U S did offer some minor support and slapped on a few sanctions — but that was it. Europe, as usual, did frick all. Of course, no one in Europe cares about a broke-ass , Slavic ex-satellite state, and that holds true today.
>Europe, as usual, did frick all
I assume you're not including the UK in that, who was the largest trainer of forces and the 2nd largest supply after USA from 2014 onwards. The rest of Europe did nothing, correct. Germany in fact built training facilities for Russia. France loopholed their continued supply of weaponry components to Russia 'due to ongoing contract signed before the sanctions'.
I was enraged at the time when Obama just let Russia take Crimea. BUT, I was forced to watch Europe (besides the UK) just sit back and do NOTHING as another European nation had a huge chunk literally invaded and taken over. I thought that shit was out-of-bounds after WW2. Apparently not as continental Europe was concerned.
Germany has a SERIOUS Russian problem in their politics. Did they get swamped with Russian bribes or something? 5th columnists? I don’t know, but as late as just several months ago I read about major political agitation over there arguing for getting back on the Russian gas. I mean, what the FRICK is up with those people?
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Bro, today the Germans are turning off their last, most modern nuclear plant. Which generates the equivalent of all wind farms in the Netherlands.
Next winter they're going to have gas shortages again. And they're making up the shortfall with browncoal (literally worse than normal coal emission-wise). Germans are fundamentally moronic and care less about supporting Russia than they do about turning off emission-free power plants.
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The anti-nuclear movement in Germany has been supported by Russia since the KGB days. It was originally meant to get the Germans to make the US remove the nuclear weapons they had stationed there. In the modern era, it's been used to keep the Germans dependent on Russian energy. Germany may be decoupling from Russia but you can't undo decades of propaganda in a single year.
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>The anti-nuclear movement in Germany
Not only there, pretty much every anti-nuclear or "one-sided disarmament" movement has been supported by them >You now remember that moron that shot a RPG-7 at a french npp
1 year ago
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>Did they get swamped with Russian bribes or something? 5th columnists?
this and some more.
not only did german industry but also the governments throughout the years profitted off of (relatively cheap and available) russian gas immensely. one of our former chancelors is working for gazprom and is, or at least used to be, very good friends with putin. several other politicians and businesses have made good deals by working with russia. it's why they've been making up excuses for putin's monkeness even back in the mid-2000s.
also there is a massive russian diaspora, people who immirated when sovshit union collapsed, some of them have ethnic german predecessors who have left germany centuries ago to move to russia bcause of european monarchy shenanigans.
nowadays many of those cucks are no better than shitskins that collect government checks, enjoy western living standards wile simping for russia like you wouldn't believe.
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The anti-nuclear movement in Germany has been supported by Russia since the KGB days. It was originally meant to get the Germans to make the US remove the nuclear weapons they had stationed there. In the modern era, it's been used to keep the Germans dependent on Russian energy. Germany may be decoupling from Russia but you can't undo decades of propaganda in a single year.
I've been calling out the greens in various countries for years as being subverted by Russians, because they put so much effort into shutting down nuclear plants when the obvious alternative would be more gas/coal burning. Any actually environmentally minded person was screaming at the top of their lungs that shutting these nuclear plants down was generating more pollution/greenhouse gasses, and regardless, forcing the west into Saudi Arabia and Russia's pockets.
>Did they get swamped with Russian bribes or something? 5th columnists?
this and some more.
not only did german industry but also the governments throughout the years profitted off of (relatively cheap and available) russian gas immensely. one of our former chancelors is working for gazprom and is, or at least used to be, very good friends with putin. several other politicians and businesses have made good deals by working with russia. it's why they've been making up excuses for putin's monkeness even back in the mid-2000s.
also there is a massive russian diaspora, people who immirated when sovshit union collapsed, some of them have ethnic german predecessors who have left germany centuries ago to move to russia bcause of european monarchy shenanigans.
nowadays many of those cucks are no better than shitskins that collect government checks, enjoy western living standards wile simping for russia like you wouldn't believe.
McCarthy was right, he was just a homosexual about how he went about it. These sorts of scum will always exist and it would be nice if we had a state apparatus to get them to frick off.
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Unfortunately anon, the US will continue letting its enemies subvert it because doing otherwise triggers Americans' latent, traditional and ancestral fears about their own state having too much power or strength. Same reason why the US judicial system, government and police forces have always struggled with riots or any type of politicized violence, they fear dealing with it the right way makes them authoritarian, evil and un-american.
>The next Russian leader is going to be worse.
The point isn't necessarily whether he's going to be better or worse, it's whether he'll be as (if not more) competent than Poots, and whether he'll manage to garner as much loyalty from the other sharks.
Right now both point to "not very likely".
Yes, and no. I think the current Russian state is at its brink. Putin has built up everything around him, and made various competing groups subordinate to him, each of which hates each other.
If Putin were to drop dead today, we'd have at least half a dozen separate groups at each others throats, without daddy Putin there to hold them back.
> If he can bring in a friendly government he can end threat of being cut out of that market
He doesn't need a "friendly goverment", he needs the German goverment for that, and after showing he's more tan willing of use the gas supply as a weapon the chance of getting their market share back as was before the war is none.
The only good thing about this situation is now Germany has their gas supply diversified so no one can really try to strongarm them anymore.
is that a fricking halftrack
No, full track. AT-T artillery tractor, with a dual 25-mm naval gun mounted on the bed. Both are from the 1940s.
Never mind, it's ATS-59G like
pointed out. So it's a 1950s all-terrain vehicle with a 1940s naval AA gun. "Second army of the world".
I don't know where you keep getting "naval" from, it's just a regular AA
2M-3 is a Soviet naval AA gun from the 1940s.
not that special a kludge for soviets either.
they swapped parts from armored vehicles and naval turrets back and forth several times for the sake of simplicity, didn't they?
>Day 500 of the American special intervention into Mexico
>M13 half track with twin 50 cal mount spotted somewhere near the front
>/chmg/: it's just as good as MPF!
the american military has more humvees than the russian military has trucks, i cant tell if youre memeing or actually moronic - please advise
He was making a meme comparison.
thank you for the advisement i feel better now
The meme is if USA invaded Mexico and acted just as incompetent as Russia in Ukraine
>Browning M2
>1933
>Oerlikon 20 mm cannon
>1937
>First Army of the world
It`s not about age, homie, it`s about efficiency. And that`s why I don`t laugh at ukies for Maxim Machine gun - it was made in 1884 slow rate of fire? Yeah, but you can fire from it like for eternity coz of water cooling.
The distinction herez though, is that those weapons were only 'designed' in the 30's, not produced in them
What difference does it make?
What does 80 years of being exposed to the enviroment does to something? It doesn't stay exactly factory new...
>It`s not about age, homie, it`s about efficiency.
It's a 450 RPM piece of shit with a fully mechanical gunsight that's using a meme 25mm round that only the Navy stocks at all.
The ZU-23-2 mogs it so hard it's not even funny.
The only reason Russia is welding this trash to vehicles is because they're running out of anything remotely modern.
can you stop a 18th century cannon ball with your head
>Both are from the 1940s.
Manufactured between 1969 and 1987...if that makes the vatniks feel better, LOL 😀
Even the newest manufactured model is at least 36 years old. The shiniest, newest one.
Uuuhhhm, akskoos me, that is akshully an ATS-59G, which first entered production in 1969.
No, she's fully tracked
LEL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25_mm_automatic_air_defense_gun_M1940_(72-K)
It appears they've created a Worst Wirbelwind.
Less guns, less armour, less mobility, less...everything really.
It isnt a fair comparison tho. What Russia has created in 2023 uses 1941 era technology, the Wirbelwind was a 1944 era weapon.
This is a fair point, you won't be able to see this but imagine a montage of me researching and digging up picrel. Currently listening to this if it helps because it's been stuck in my head for the last few days and it won't leave.
Going by what I could dig up, the first designated SPAAG was the Vickers Dragon, built around 1932, that had a 47mm Pom-Pom gun and was used by the Royal Thai Army in their war against France. It's...surprisingly not too far behind what Russia in 2023 has created in terms of actually capability. The Russian...thing, is obviously the better of the two, but not amazingly so.
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/thailand/type_76_spaag/
If you want to strech it, there were AA guns mounted on trucks during late WW1, but none of these were tracked. And since I have done the same of autistic research a load of times too (see for example
) I can imagine that.
>That fricking song tho
Really shows Russian ingenuity
NATO SHOCKED
Bulgarians admired
Japanese awed
INDIA ROCKED
Cute I say, CUTE!
All absurdity aside this thing looks like it'd be a super fun offroad vehicle. Slap a removable frame and add a tarp you got yourself a pretty cool open air camper. Shake these cute little tractors from the 50s are gonna get destroyed by incompetence and/or million dollar ordnance.
I weep for the abused surplus
Me:mom can I have M270 MLRS chassis
Mom:we have M270 MLRS chassis at home
M270 MLRS chassis at home:
in all seriousness at this point the war has soured Ukies on Russians to such a fricking ridiculous degree that I just don't understand what the frick Russia even wants from the war anymore
if they win and take huge chunks or all of Ukraine they have a new territory with a population of up to 40 million that absolutely will either engage in violent partisan resistance or at least shelter partisans, many of whom speak Russian already and can effortlessly blend into Russian society, shares a multiple hundred km long porous border with Russia proper, and the entire region is now fricking flooded with guns and people with military experience. it's going to be utterly ungovernable and a source of domestic terrorism for fricking decades
Honestly that is not an argument for Russia. They Gulag half the population if needs be, they've done it before.
multipolar world order something something america rule is weakening something something russia superpower something something
I just don't understand how a nation of Italy GDP is supposed to be a world leader
>but muh china will work with Russia
China has no interest in helping Russia, they will just make them a vassal state really cheaply.
Russia had never a chance to be a world superpower.
They've had a few chances and totally blown all of them
isn’t Italy like the world’s 8th economic power or something
being in the top 10-15 grants quite the leadership status if you ask me
the real elephant in the room is the fact that Russia has the same GDP as Italy despite having twice the population, 1000x the size and 100000000x the resources
Sure, but the other 15 contries are on the same team against you.
This is like having Dirk Nowitzki against the 1996 dream team
what? Russia has been the export leader on a shitton resources for the longest time
they would be infinitely richer if they weren’t anything but a bunch of corrupt , FAS-ridden subhumans
They’re very rich based mostly on gas sales to Europe. Germany is the heartland of European industry, and it’s funding Putin’s regime. That’s why the West is hellbent on cutting Putin off from that gas trade.
The fact is that Putin’s regime took the gas profits and spent it on palaces, yachts, private jets, etc. Not on the military which they let rot. Putin and his circle of oligarchs came to trust in Western institutions not to get involved and protect their financial gains — why they put like 800b into various banks thinking that money would be safe if they actually had to turn against the world. They would have been better off investing that 800b into critical industries, modernizations, etc, but that’s not how modern Russia operates. Putin only wants the gas to be left alone so he can retire to his mega palace and see the world on his mega yacht.
They didn't leave the military to rot. They looted, robbed and stole the military as much as they could.
Putin's regime doesn't take gas profits and spreads it around the whole power structure of Russia. It takes profits from anything that isn''t nailed down, gas included. Russia is just a massive continental sized racket for them.
And the oligarchs and the people who get this money need Putin more than he needs them. Because without Godfather Putin they wouldn't be getting all this stolen blood money. Putin is the one who keeps the schemes going, not them.
and none of that changes the fact that they are still 8th gdp in the world, acting like the first, and going against the top 15 combined
Or that their GPD is siphoned off at every level.
Ironically Italy is equally corrupt and thieving, but somehow it manages to not frick it up so catastrophically in the process (nowadays, for the time being).
that’s what not being a mongol rape baby does to you
>Russia had never a chance to be a world superpower.
they did though, just fricked it all up due to being c**ts.
They are resettling areas they've taken in Ukraine with Russian minorities they've paid to come and live in the houses of dead Ukrainians.
If the captured areas being in ruins with effectively no economy, what's the fricking point?
ethnic displacement: what the UN would refer to as a genocide. No joke.
At this point if Putin doesn't deliver something that sort of resembles a victory his life is in danger.
>If the captured areas being in ruins with effectively no economy, what's the fricking point?
Its enough for Russians if more of the map is Russia-colored
>They are resettling areas they've taken in Ukraine with Russian minorities they've paid to come and live in the houses of dead Ukrainians.
Ah yes, Haiti along the Azov.
Eternal glory to the Ruski Mir.
Note: this is where Russia actually attempted to fix things over the last year.
Buiding a potemkin apartment building isn't "trying to fix" shit. No, making some dude wear a Putin mask while people yell at you doesn't count either.
Mariupol succesfully transformed into St.Pidor.
Gonna be crazy when Russia loses and it comes time to deport the monkeys they brought along with. Upswing is they can be relieved of all of their possessions (save maybe one set of clothing). Paltry loot, but better than nothing.
it seems to have been a self fulfilling prophecy, they succeeded in expanding NATO borders all the way to ukraine and exposing themselves as human rights violators approaching parity with nazis
>I just don't understand what the frick Russia even wants
Destruction of "the West", simple as. This includes any decadent "western" values in Russia, such as individualism and private initiative.
Being slavic is suffering. Russia decided that life got too good for Russians and needed to commit slow agonizing national suicide by Ukraine.
>I just don't understand what the frick Russia even wants from the war anymore
At this point it is just a matter of regime survival. The initial idea of a quick shock takeover could have theoretically worked in the long run for Russia, everyone in Ukraine and abroad would have been so shocked by it that Russia could have got away with it with manageable resistance, but now? Even the best case scenario for them is Pyrrhic as frick, with their Soviet-era equipment stock gone, tons of corpses and cripples, Europe detaching itself from the gas titty of Russia, risks of partisan activity in occupied territories…
There’s nothing that resembles a real, meaningful win scenario anymore, but the joke is that Putin and his inner circle can’t just pull off with loss either. So what do they do? Extend this whole shitshow of a war, because it means that nobody is going to throw them out of windows for losing a war. Yet.
Forgot to post the image. The war is literally just this at this point.
>the gas titty of Russia
Made me spill my beer anon
>ukraine and russia fricking hate each other now
>ukraine and poland are now the brother nations
we live in a strange timeline
Why?
The enemy of an enemy is a friend.
Not at all considering Russian genocides of both nations.
ukraine killed more poles than Russia did
Putin has 0 interest in Ukraine. He needed Crimea to secure the Black Sea gas fields. Beyond that he just needs a friendly government to stop trying to develop shale gas fields in the East of the country. Putin achieved that goal in 2014, but that was a temporary solution. They banked on Nordstream to provide security against a West-connected Ukraine cutting Russia off from the giant European gas market — but when the US killed it politically Putin felt he had no choice but to try and do a regime change.
Now that you’ve been educated in the real geopolitical factors in play you will be ignorant no longer.
>Ukraine cutting Russia off from the giant European gas market
I mean, Ukrainians can’t do that to Russia if Russians themselves do that first.
Ukraine almost managed to start the process by signing a big fraking deal with Shell (and Chevron?) in November of 2013…and what happened just a few months later? Why did Shell pull out of the deal — not a secret, they left the deal due to proximity to a warzone. This was a cause-and-effect that Putin aimed for.
Blowing Nordstream was a US op as literally everyone not brain dead moron knows. This was done to force Germany off Russian gas and to deflate all the German internal agitation for returning to Russian gas.
I don’t know what Putin’s long-term plan is, but it takes time to build major LNG terminals, these are major projects, plus building the extra capacity of LNG ships. Putin is probably banking on having a few years before he’s cut off from European gas sales forever. Current super high gas prices have been helping him survive, maybe he’s counting on that to carry him too.
>Blowing Nordstream was a US op as literally everyone not brain dead moron knows.
try to be a little more subtle next time
If you believe that Russia has even the slightest interest in killing it, let alone the capability to do it without detection, than you ARE the brain-dead moron.
Not him but whoever else would gain something on doing it? If Russia wanted to stop the gas flow they could just have shut the valve.
There is the 4d chess idea that Russia blew it up just to blame the US for doing it but given how incompetent the Russian navy is I doubht they could have pulled it off, or atleast not without not leaving a shitload of evidence.
Lots of countries stand to gain from it you fricking moron including Ukraine
Yeah, there are plenty of countries who would gain something from it, including Ukraine but the only other country who might could have pulled it of and has something political to gain from it is Norway.
Poland absolutely could have done it just to frick with the Germans.
Poland absolutly has the political will, but the capability? I doubht it, they have what, one operational old ass Kilo that everyone and their mom knows where it is as soon as it leaves port.
Russia was liable for penalties for failure to deliver, which they were doing because they were really hoping that Europe would freeze, which is why the pipeline blew up from the inside after a long shutdown due to "unexpected problems".
Germangay here, Russia did it and its not even hard to see from our perspective, blowing up the pipeline was an exit strategy for a failed plan of Russia:
1. deliver as little gas as legally possible to Germany so it can't fill up it's reserves for the winter and gets it into a panic
2. force Germany to decide if they use the gas for themselves instead of sharing it with countries that are dependent as second row users on North Stream 1
3. force Germany to open and legitimize North Stream 2 which had better contracts for Russia
4. use the new pipelines to bypass pipelines in Poland and Ukraine so they have individual levers to pressure singular countries by shifting their delivery through different pipelines
5. additionally use this to pitch EU countries against each other (f.e. deliver barely enough to one country, but not enough it can share it with another they stopped delivering to)
That was the plan and Russia kept coming up with excuses to further reduce the gas delivery through NS1 to Germany through the summer to the point where the german chancellor let himself be photographed before a repaired or maintenanced gas turbine for pipelines ready to be shipped for weeks, of which Russia claimed they were still waiting for it to be ready to be delivered to them from Germany. Picture related.
But the whole russian plan didn't work, Germany managed to get enough gas from elsewhere and Russia was already on the brink to pay a hefty fine since they didn't delivered the amount of gas they should by the contract and at the end it was also clear how Germany wouldn't buy anymore gas from them in the future, so they blew the thing up and left one of NS2 pipelines intact for possible future deliveries and deniability.
>Germangay here, Russia did it and its not even hard to see from our perspective,
ah yes totally a german and not just a shithead in one of the near defunct bases over there
Yeah, because so many non germans would know about the chancellor posing before gas turbine thing, Ivan. Go take your cope and shove it up your seethe.
I know about because I follow the chancellor's Instagram account. But I also know German.
t. Pole
>the chancellor's Instagram account.
Why would you do this to yourself?
Not that German flag, but yeah, you are moronic, the post summarizes the events and German perspective pretty well.
Most importantly though: No one really cares. 30% of the country is happy that the pipeline is gone, 20% are east Germans somewhat butthurt about 'leebil us plot' but they can't do anything other than pout and prefer to pout about other things, like: "why don't we negooooootiate. Ahhhhhh, we need to negooooootiate." and 50% have already forgotten about the whole thing.
>, 20% are east Germans
what's up with easterners being russian wienersuckers? you'd think they'd be the ones that were the most anti-russian, what with eastern germany being a shitpit compared to western germany - similarly how eastern european countries hate russia while the west used to be ambivalent towards it
The problem is that east germans were not adapted to western economics, and did get swindled by many. The first to come to east germany were people claiming their ancestral homes or factories (in which other people had build their lives), people who bought factories cheap and dismantled them while sending the tooling for a profit to even more shithole countries, and general swindlers who sell shitty western cars to not knowing east germans.
This coupled with that the “reunification” was more of a expansion of the BRD, instead of a merger, and the first people crossing the border in both directions were those who had nothing to loose, lead to this only slowly dissipating hatred between the former two germanies.
Since my parents are east germans, i got quite a few first hand accounts from family. For example, after the wall went down, former east german officers were not allowed to put their rank in the former NVA into their curricullum vitae. Similarily, not all engineering degrees were accepted either.
These negative circumstances which the east germans found themselves in, plus the propaganda of the russian liberator and friend, which they were raised with, leads to today, in which quite a few of the eastgermans see the russians still in a positive light.
Imagine the size of a communist state and its government. Now imagine how many people it employs and how much of its money is spent on salaries and pensions for these people it employes and their associates and family members
Now imagine what happens when all these people and their families don't have government jobs and welfare anymore because the communist government that sustained them got the ending it always deserved. Imagine what they all think now that they actually had to work for a living for 30 years.
East Yuropoorgay here. This plan was extremely transparent to us, we've been dealing with these sorts of frick-frick games from the vatniks for over a decade, even before the first invasion.
Yeah, I'm American and this is exactly how I explained it as it was happening back then. Russia LOVES deniability, and they didn't want to just shut off gas. They kept claiming maintenance issues over and over, then finally when they ran out of that excuse they just blow the thing up. It was a ploy to put the squeeze on Germany and try to freeze them out over the winter.
Instead what happened is Germany, being a functional western nation with proper diplomatic ties, just bought gas from elsewhere and managed to fill its NG terminals to bursting and THEN God had his laugh and gave Europe one of its mildest winters on record. Putin literally could not stop losing.
In addition, functioning but infactive NS1 pipelines are a threat to Putin in the long run. This is because Germany will phase out buying gas as long as Putin is in power. Some people in Russia are interested in selling gas to Germany. By destroying the pipelines Putin simply destroys the bargain chip that any future Russian leader after him would have, vastly reducing any motivation and probability that he is overthrown.
So was the German-Russian gas pipeline deal just the fricking Goodfellas restaurant scheme IRL?
I would use this scene on here to explain to gringos how a political regime like Putin's works but I wasn't expecting that it would be this close.
It's more like corpo bullshit, when one company lets itself become more and more dependent on the other without noticing it and doing anything against it, then the other company pulls the rug out from under them, lets it almost collapse and then buys the whole thing for pennies.
Even if you were right, it doesn't matter. The strong do what they will and the weak do what they can. Russians are weaklings. They are learning this.
Why are /misc/Black folk so laughably inept at everything?
You haven't looked at things recently have you. European gas prices are half what they were in Jan 2022, and Russia is down from 50% of the supply to 4%. Russian gas is done.
typical redd1t script as usual; fricking homosexuals
>Current super high gas prices
Only for non russian gas
All Russian gas is being sold at a loss to Russia because of the sanctions regime
>Current super high gas prices
https://www.theice.com/products/27996665/Dutch-TTF-Gas-Futures/data?marketId=5544919&span=3
The price right now is lower than it was before feb. 22.
>by signing a big fraking deal with Shell
You're allowed to say "fricking" here you moron.
>Blowing Nordstream was a US op as literally everyone not brain dead moron knows
Proofs?
>Putin has 0 interest in Ukraine.
Laughably untrue. He had lots of reasons to do it, including conquering Ukraine for conquering's sake.
>he doesn't realize the war is actually over dwindling pony porn reserves
>105%
Kurwa.
>142%
Vittu.
>22%
Never have I been more proud to be an American.
if the US is willing to bomb our own allies pipelines there is no way in hell we are letting orcs have black sea oil fields
This is why people never saw the invasion coming, it's the assumption that Russians behave in a rational manner like everyone else. Russians are subhuman and pootpoot just wanted to go down in history or something moronic like that.
>pootpoot just wanted to go down in history
>monke paw curls
>Putin: I don't know why I keep getting hand cramps. I eat bananas all the time.
Hearty chuckle
But Russia literally already had Crimea before the war started. They built a fricking bridge to it, it was that under control.
The truth is that Putin just really believes his imperialist historical theory. And if your view is 200 years old, a couple hundred thousand dead and cripples doesn't mean shit to the tsar.
WHAT???? YOU MEAN IT'S NOT BECAUSE LITERAL PUTLER IS LITERALLY HALL OF COSTING THE SLAVA UKRANI BECAUSE HE'S RACIST?????
>real geopolitical factors
A meme. What drives politics is intellectual or the lack of the intellectual, not material circunstances and interests.
>that absolutely will either engage in violent partisan resistance or at least shelter partisans
Russia dealt with that in areas they occupied already. They planned to do it throughout the country.
I guess partisan attacks on collaborators have stopped then? Oh wait, no they haven't.
>in all seriousness at this point the war has soured Ukies on Russians to such a fricking ridiculous degree that I just don't understand what the frick Russia even wants from the war anymore
This point still boggles my mind. Before the war, they were ALL saying "russia and ukraine are brotherly countries, we would never fight, NATO just wants war", and then the narrative switches on a dime in a few months and they go "Kill all hohol piggies". Severed a 1000+ year cultural link in less than a year, and these same people will say you're the one that's brainwashed
>they were ALL saying "russia and ukraine are brotherly countries, we would never fight, NATO just wants war"
Sort of. After 2013, the state-controlled (meaning 95% of all) mass-media started portraying Ukrainians as greedy backwards morons, incapable of thinking for themselves. Prior to 2022, this agitprop had been running for over 7 years.
>I just don't understand what the frick Russia even wants from the war anymore
That's because you shouldn't think about what Russia wants, it's not a sentient being it has no capacity to want anything. Think about what different groups of people might want.
The leadership at this point wants a miracle to happen so at the end they have something to show for to internal population. They can't simply pull out so they are stuck in it
It's not really about conquering anymore, it's all about the only way out for Puting being Russia having some kind of victory in order to justify this war and not have his own people turn against him.
Sunk cost
With the amount of troops and equipment he has thrown into the grinder, putin can't stop the clusterfrick from rolling anymore even if he wants to. He simply can't
And yet, eventually, he will. This is the consequence of "always double down" - eventually someone calls you on it.
If the claims of Putin being treated for cancer are true (and being from a med family, my folks and their friends think he is on treatment for cancer due to 'steroid bloat') then Putin can wait until he dies and he can have the legacy of 'He made Russia great and took on all of NATO and didn't lose' and then the guy in charge after him is the guy who has to make the decision and it'll be HIM to blame, not Putin.
Russia is hoping that support ends for the Ukraine in one way or another. The US is the only state that has surplus to continue to supply Ukraine with. Everybody else is either empty or unwillingly to hand over. I had hoped by now the West would have started opening new military production facilities. Rhinemetal went up like 150% in value. BAE went up 50%. There is money to be made.
>b-b-but what about after the war
People will want to buy shells because they see how important artillery is. But no nation is going 'lets build 100 155mm shell factories and get those bad boys churning shit out'. USA is trying to increase production - but nowhere near what Ukraine needs. BAE was expanding its production in UK but that's going to take years to get going. Only the USA has the capacity and capability to get shit done in short time frame (in the West, at least). China could easily worker ant build masses of factories to churn shit out in a war. This is ultimately the issue with a theoretical war with China. Yeah most of their industry is on the coast and in bomber range, but China will happily spend millions of worker ants to move those factories in-land out of bomber range and build more and work around the clock in punishing shifts to produce whatever they need while millions of guys with sticks can man beach defences.
So either the west is unwilling to supply Ukraine with what it needs to win, or the west can't. A lot of European nations have given minimal stuff to avoid issues and accusations of not helping.
You're forgetting the other asia pacific countries - South Korea and Australia being two of the prime examples. There's about 1m/yr of capacity for 155mm between APAC, US, and Europe. South Korea is doing swap deals with the US to avoid directly sending equipment to a warzone, but the effect is the same - there are plenty of shells. South Korea just announced a 500k shell swap, which is enough for 5-6 months. Other long range fires like GMLRS, SDB, Excalibur, etc are also being spun up, and Russia has nothing to match these capabilities.
Jan 20, 2025 is 645 days away. The war has gone on for 414 days so far. Russia is already struggling badly, they cannot sustain this for another 645 days in the hopes that a republican will take office and end aid to Ukraine. US support is dramatically more pronounced than it was 6 months ago. US popular support for arming Ukraine is still in the 60-70% range, and higher in Europe. The gas crisis is over and not coming back, Europe has survived the energy war and has no reason to return to friendly relations with Russia. This is a delusion, you are seeing what you want to see.
I can't remember what the estimated daily requirement was for Ukraine but it wasn't small. Artillery is the king atm because it requires the least training for effectiveness. But it isn't just about shells. We have to replace the damaged/destroyed vehicles they have lost. We have to provide 'reserve' stuff. We have to keep giving them AA systems because if that leak is to be believed that is the current weak spot. Ukraine needs hundreds of mobile AA systems that are capable of defeating Russian aircraft with a high success rate AND the missiles/rounds to do it because if they do a counter-offensive without them, Russia can use its air force (which is barely damaged and hardly used atm) to delete the attacks.
This is why my annoyance with Switzerland destroying those perfectly viable Rapier batteries. They're not amazing tech but they're still effective on a truck and driven around with other AA. But no 'Swiss weapons must not be used in war' or some bullshit.
Which is why we will likely see F-16's before too much longer. NATO has near infinite munitions to supply aircraft for air defense, and they can cover a wider area, as well as serving in other roles than air-to-air engagements. The US has also been supplying a considerable number of armored vehicles, and is still drawing from older or out of service stockpiles, leaving room for escalation.
>Artillery is the king atm because it requires the least training for effectiveness.
This is moronic. You're moronic. I'm moronic for giving you a (you) because you don't deserve it.
>South Korea just announced a 500k shell swap,
Only lending and isn't it still under consideration?
>The war has gone on for 414 days so far. Russia is already struggling badly, they cannot sustain this for another 645 days in the hopes that a republican will take office and end aid to Ukraine.
If it lasts that long hopefully the prospect of policy changing would get Biden to try to be less cautious with aid while he has the chance. Whichever party wins, even with the ramp up in production, its doubtful that the rate which some of the equipment is being sent is sustainable in the long term.
South Korea is lending the shells to the US, so that the US can send shells from the stockpile to Ukraine without depleting the stockpile. South Korea doesn't want their shells going to Ukraine, but don't mind them sitting in an arsenal in the US so that American shells can go to Ukraine.
Its not a long term solution to US stockpile shortage and doesn't make it look like South Korea is keen on sending a large numbers in the future.
The US is remarkably effective at mass production especially with profit to be made.
They've already kidnapped massive amounts of Ukrainian citizens including children, and shipped them off into the Russian interior to be raped and beaten into compliance.
They're like a shitty primitive borg, they only understand cruelty and trying to break down everything into more of themselves to keep the country going a day longer.
Last time that happened the Russians just casually starved 8 million Ukrainians.
You don't want to get into the Russian mind, it's a dark place.
>up to 40 million that absolutely will either engage in violent partisan resistance
the average age in both countries is over 40, you are not going to get afghan tier resistance movement with population that old
thats what the russian command is betting on anyway
At this point I'm assuming that Russia is deliberately killing off its youth to prevent an uprising when the invasion inevitably fails
Not quite. It's expending other youth while Muscovites generally escape deployment. Fighting to the last Buryat, Tatar etc. (Not the last Chechen, Kadyrov gets to keep those.)
Yeah, plus if EU harbors more war criminals we might do a little terrorism in EU
It no longer has anything to do with any goals of the war.
Putin is playing for time hoping for a miracle.
He urgently needs peace on terms that he can sell as a victory at home.
In fact, everything that has been going on since the spring of 2022 is Putin's personal war for his physical survival.
As others have said, Putin is simply playing for time now in hopes something comes up in his favour, such as a Trump re-election or westerners get bored and force an end in his favour.
If Ukraine manage to actually reach the Black sea this spring/summer, I can see him jumping out a window entirely of his own volition.
Look at Chechnya. They will kill people for 10-15 years until there's nobody with any initiative left. That's what Girkin wrote about doing in his lil novel some group lifted from his mailbox. That butterface is a literal butcher.
Chechnya is a tiny little piss squirt of land and no one, but no one helped them. Russia has so far failed to defeat the regular Ukrainian army or even its equivalent of the nasty girls and shows no signs of being able to do so. An "occupation" will be a nightmare, collaborators will be murdered in their beds and Russian occupying troops will be limited to hard points if they don't want to be ambushed. This is already happening with regular assassinations of both parties in territories the Russians currently hold.
Strelkov has a novel? Where can I find it?
>forgets he's dealing with mongrels
They gulaged millions of people before. They also starved Ukraine out before lol! Why wouldn't these subhumans do it again?
>russian
>think
Pick one.
Their entire history of several last centuries was
1. Rob the country/countries
2. Buy technologies from gullible westerners
3. Start genocidal wars with neighbours
4. Spiral into civil wars and hunger
5. Rob the country/countries
6. Repeat
THE TANK IS UNIRONICALLY FINE!
I'm completely demoralized.
They have A LOT of this naval guns around right? They are attaching them to everything
They probably found some long abandoned soviet era naval depot somewhere with a shitload of old guns taken from scrapped warships and enough ammo to last a while.
Is 1941 levels of desperation with 1941 era weapons all over again.
if they are doing that expect to possibly see some t-34 turrets at some point. they used those for naval guns
yeah, its definitely got some asthetics going on there.
Imagine an entire line of those full tracked vehicles with AA, Artillery, Anti Armor, etc mounted like that.
I could see it being a thing.
Actually kinda cool looking ngl, much better than the Abomination
cannons look like bofors?
Thats because it pretty much is. The lineage is a bit complicated but it goes like this. The Soviet Navy bought a bunch of Bofors 25mm m/1933 guns from Sweden in 1935. Bofors then develops a 40mm variant (the m/36, also know as the Bofors 40mm/L60 we all know and love) and the Soviets decide they want to mass produce something similar, so they upscale the design of the old m/33s they have into something similar, the 61-K. They then later want more 25mm guns so they downscale the 61-K back to 25mm and mass produces it as the 72-K in 1940.
>1940s naval gun on 1950s artillery tractor
>obr 2023
Oh no no no
everyone was calling russians orcs when in reality, they're orks
AA flak cannons are good anti-infantry, US used them for this in Vietnam and Russians in Chechnya
AA flak cannons have been used as anti-infantry since their inceptions. They're literally anti-infantry weapons turned into a thing to hit aircraft anyway. But the issue here is that Russian is attaching 1940's weaponry onto trucks and shit as if they were Somaliland trying to fend off invading forces by using technicals, rather than the invading force that had a huge stock of modern equipment that they've burned through.
All of which were lost by their respective users.
A grim omen indeed.
>s-second c-chechen war
Was also lost. Imagine someone saying the Confederacy being allowed to persist as a semi-autonomous state entity, recognized as legitimate by DC, having their domestic budget guaranteed by the largess of DC, and all that at the cost of pledging to be loyal was a "Union Victory".
This is what vatniks actually perceive as a winning conclusion to Chechnya.
They literally only "won" because they found a Muslim even more treacherous than the norm and bribed a king's ransom to switch sides.
i fricking called it, they're pulling old prototypes out of the garages to put to war
What makes that a "prototype" rather than a tracked expedient SPAAG?
>russians are nearly going full isis zu23 technicals
holy shit
There is no win condition for Russia in Ukraine anymore. In fact, there wasn't a win condition since they failed the Kyiv rush. They were completely and utterly dependent upon Ukraine putting up no - little resistance. The fact that Russia hasn't pulled out is an indicator that Putin literally had no backup plan if Ukraine had resisted and this entire war, all the deaths and loss of equipment, is because one man can't admit that Russia fricked up. So Russia will lose hundreds of thousands if not millions of men from not only the casualties from the war but all the men who have fled Russia to avoid the conscription. That amount of brain drain and loss in production is something that will severely hamper Russia for decades to come.
Seriously, Russia could have just pulled out of Ukraine after they saw the level of resistance, built up a more significant force over the next decade and tried again later. But there will be no "later" now with the sheer amount of resources Russia has lost in Ukraine. Putin and the oligarchs are apparently fine with draining Russia of healthy young men and throwing them into a meat grinder in the hopes that the West will blink first. But that's not going to happen. It's basically over for Putin and the current Russian military at this point. They will be unable to wage any further war outside of Ukraine or pose any threat to the world for the next 20 years minimum. And let's not even talk about the damage done to Russia's economy, the results of which have only begun to take hold and will become even more apparent over the next few years. If Putin cared at all about Russia, he would simply admit his mistake, resign, appoint a successor, and disappear into the night, and the fact that the oligarch's themselves haven't demanded Putin's head yet is quite surprising unless Putin has more power in Russia than even the combined might of the oligarch's.
False. There are two conditions:
1. US ends support taking the rest of NATO with them. Ukraine will collapse financially and militarily shortly afterwards when the leadership bails out. Putin then can install a new government.
2. Putin declares victory now or in the near future and seeks a peace agreement and normalization of relations. He can lean on the Russian separatist population as a political crutch in this effort. Europe will strongly gravitate towards a peace agreement and if the US lets then that’s that.
The reasons why these are victories for Putin is because this war is about his gas sales to Europe. If he can bring in a friendly government he can end threat of being cut out of that market. The 2nd win is a minor victory, making sure much of the shale gas fields Ukraine tried to develop with the West some 10 years ago stay empty. He really needed the regime change since the US wouldn’t let him keep Nordstream, but a peace agreement now would put him in a stronger position to resume a war at a later time so it’s still a win.
>1. US ends support taking the rest of NATO with them.
First sentence and you are already wrong. The US won't end its support, it may limit it, but it won't end it. And even if it does, there are European countries that will continue supporting Ukraine for as long as it's necessary. Didn't bother to read the rest of your post.
The US has a long history of terminating support of allies. The usual pattern is the ally proves to be incompetent / corrupt, the US loses confidence in them, and when faced with the decision to either commit in force or to just pull the plug, the US will always pull the plug.
Right now the US is standing behind Ukraine, but that was ONLY when it was apparent Russia lacked the strength to regime change them quickly. However, note that US support has cooled off greatly, only giving Ukraine barely enough cash to survive, only just now expanding ammo production, dragged its feet supplying the desperately requested heavy vehicles, etc. If a Republican is elected don’t be horribly surprised if Ukraine gets soft-dropped.
a republican victory would be disastrous for our foreign policy goals. unironically can't be allowed
>but a peace agreement now would put him in a stronger position to resume a war at a later time so it’s still a win.
Which is why Ukraine won't accept it. NATO also isn't moronic and understands that allowing Russia to gain from this war is appeasement and will just lead to a worse war later.
NATO did NOTHING as Ukraine was invaded and Crimea was taken. The U S did offer some minor support and slapped on a few sanctions — but that was it. Europe, as usual, did frick all. Of course, no one in Europe cares about a broke-ass , Slavic ex-satellite state, and that holds true today.
They seem to have learned from that mistake. Putin assumed the same thing you are here, and it has been an unmitigated disaster for Russia.
>Europe, as usual, did frick all
I assume you're not including the UK in that, who was the largest trainer of forces and the 2nd largest supply after USA from 2014 onwards. The rest of Europe did nothing, correct. Germany in fact built training facilities for Russia. France loopholed their continued supply of weaponry components to Russia 'due to ongoing contract signed before the sanctions'.
I was enraged at the time when Obama just let Russia take Crimea. BUT, I was forced to watch Europe (besides the UK) just sit back and do NOTHING as another European nation had a huge chunk literally invaded and taken over. I thought that shit was out-of-bounds after WW2. Apparently not as continental Europe was concerned.
Germany has a SERIOUS Russian problem in their politics. Did they get swamped with Russian bribes or something? 5th columnists? I don’t know, but as late as just several months ago I read about major political agitation over there arguing for getting back on the Russian gas. I mean, what the FRICK is up with those people?
Bro, today the Germans are turning off their last, most modern nuclear plant. Which generates the equivalent of all wind farms in the Netherlands.
Next winter they're going to have gas shortages again. And they're making up the shortfall with browncoal (literally worse than normal coal emission-wise). Germans are fundamentally moronic and care less about supporting Russia than they do about turning off emission-free power plants.
The anti-nuclear movement in Germany has been supported by Russia since the KGB days. It was originally meant to get the Germans to make the US remove the nuclear weapons they had stationed there. In the modern era, it's been used to keep the Germans dependent on Russian energy. Germany may be decoupling from Russia but you can't undo decades of propaganda in a single year.
>The anti-nuclear movement in Germany
Not only there, pretty much every anti-nuclear or "one-sided disarmament" movement has been supported by them
>You now remember that moron that shot a RPG-7 at a french npp
>Did they get swamped with Russian bribes or something? 5th columnists?
this and some more.
not only did german industry but also the governments throughout the years profitted off of (relatively cheap and available) russian gas immensely. one of our former chancelors is working for gazprom and is, or at least used to be, very good friends with putin. several other politicians and businesses have made good deals by working with russia. it's why they've been making up excuses for putin's monkeness even back in the mid-2000s.
also there is a massive russian diaspora, people who immirated when sovshit union collapsed, some of them have ethnic german predecessors who have left germany centuries ago to move to russia bcause of european monarchy shenanigans.
nowadays many of those cucks are no better than shitskins that collect government checks, enjoy western living standards wile simping for russia like you wouldn't believe.
I've been calling out the greens in various countries for years as being subverted by Russians, because they put so much effort into shutting down nuclear plants when the obvious alternative would be more gas/coal burning. Any actually environmentally minded person was screaming at the top of their lungs that shutting these nuclear plants down was generating more pollution/greenhouse gasses, and regardless, forcing the west into Saudi Arabia and Russia's pockets.
McCarthy was right, he was just a homosexual about how he went about it. These sorts of scum will always exist and it would be nice if we had a state apparatus to get them to frick off.
Unfortunately anon, the US will continue letting its enemies subvert it because doing otherwise triggers Americans' latent, traditional and ancestral fears about their own state having too much power or strength. Same reason why the US judicial system, government and police forces have always struggled with riots or any type of politicized violence, they fear dealing with it the right way makes them authoritarian, evil and un-american.
Yeah UK's cool, I get why they did brexit, who'd want to be bossed around by frenchies/germans who suck ruzian dick.
>resume a war at a later time
homie, Putin is an old frick. In 10 years he's going to be 80. There IS no later for him.
The next Russian leader is going to be worse.
>is going to be worse
Aha, the russian spirit.
>The next Russian leader is going to be worse.
The point isn't necessarily whether he's going to be better or worse, it's whether he'll be as (if not more) competent than Poots, and whether he'll manage to garner as much loyalty from the other sharks.
Right now both point to "not very likely".
Yes, and no. I think the current Russian state is at its brink. Putin has built up everything around him, and made various competing groups subordinate to him, each of which hates each other.
If Putin were to drop dead today, we'd have at least half a dozen separate groups at each others throats, without daddy Putin there to hold them back.
> If he can bring in a friendly government he can end threat of being cut out of that market
He doesn't need a "friendly goverment", he needs the German goverment for that, and after showing he's more tan willing of use the gas supply as a weapon the chance of getting their market share back as was before the war is none.
The only good thing about this situation is now Germany has their gas supply diversified so no one can really try to strongarm them anymore.
World War III will be fought with World War II weapons.
EA is going to recycle so much of their old shit in the new WW3 game.
EA never had an M16 MGMC in their games because EA are a bunch of fricking gay nerds
I want one
Puccians are literally Warhammer 40k orks
(and it kind of looks badass)
>monke plays hoi4
>seed that AA is good against ground troops too
Armata is here. Tremble NAFOgays *~~*~~
alt-WW2 dieselpunk aesthetic as frick. Too bad they're 75 years behind the ball
what it does
that's a lot of dead ziggers
Bruh Paulus called, the 6th army wants its AA halfteack back.
To be fair i wouldn't like to be at the receiving end of that theng
Just 646 more days to go until the US maybe backs off on supplying Ukraine!