The only interesting question is whether this kind of tech is worth investing in. Do fighter jets still have an important role to play, or can they and should they just be replaced by UAVs at this point?
The Chinks do seem to be focusing more on UAVs. They are actually falling behind the US when it comes to fighter jets rather than catching up. After all, they only built about 250 J-20s while the US have made over 1000 F-35s, albeit many for export. And the FC-31 still isn't being mass produced.
You fricking idiot. The entire reason China hasn't made many J-20s is because they don't export them. As for UAVs eventually they will get more expensive as defense against them pops up and then you will start wanting supersonic UAVs, that have autonomous AI, that carry 1000kg bombs.
>supersonic UAVs, that have autonomous AI
Just read an AP thing about how the US is outpacing China on autonamous air-to-air development
https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-fighter-jets-air-force-6a1100c96a73ca9b7f41cbd6a2753fda
Look up Northrop MRF-54e then look at that thing and tell me it's not another russian copy of another US plane, i dare yah all. Yes, Russia copied a fricking rejected design from the fricking early 90s to make their latest stealth jet in 2022 or whenever this joke was proposed.
>YF-23 was going to be "Spider" >The two prototypes were named Black Widow and Grey ghost
They were marketing it as Black Widow II after pic related, prototypes were named Spider and Grey Ghost. It acquired the nickname spider before they had even built prototypes, due to radar reflections from the plane, it gives stronger reflections into 8 directions, so it had spider legs.
https://i.imgur.com/wFdHCnA.png
Non moronic propaganda meme answer: I think most countries right now are hesitant to go all in on any sixth gen fighter concept since current technology makes it difficult to predict what requirements will actually be needed in the future (2040s-2070s). You could make something that could out compete anything currently existing right now just for it to be completely useless because you didn't account for a specific piece of technology that didn't seem too much of a problem at the time of design. Future sixth gens could be hypersonic missile carrier sleds with cloaking technology. Or they can be a modified somewhat armored F15 with a laser for missile defense and a bunch of heat seekers, gun pods and armored bombs that can actually survive future AD to its target. We simply don't know right now.
6th generation for USAF is going to be separate optimized platforms for different missions. First being next gen air dominance fighter, that is long range aircraft that may disregard super maneuveribility in favor of long range missiles and shieet. It will be eventually followed with strike aircraft that isn't focused at all at air combat outside of some self defense capability using mostly repurposed hardware from NGAD. For them going multirole is compromising main mission platform and optimizing one plane for everything is too complicated. USN and Europeans might be looking at more multirole solution, because Europeans can't afford to develop multiple types of aircraft and US Navy has limited space on carriers. What those all have in common is focus on fighter coordinating loyal wingman drones for weapons deployment.
When it was still new to the public armatard almost had another mental breakdown over how no one seen the mockup they used for the PR stuff as an already proven and well established plane. The crash of the first Su-57 production unit really broke something in him.
Ah man was it really almost 5 years ago already? That was wild.
>with them people
He was probably the sole reason why this board hates vatnik shills so much.
Not the sole there were a few other russia shills back then but yes unironically he was a major reason /k/ went into the war predisposed to hate Russia even before they clearly showed themselves not just as total monsters, but also incredibly petty, stupid and corrupt total monsters that were an embarrassment to the species. People would have begun rooting for the good guy underdogs and their amazing military achievements anyway, but at the very beginning I wanted Russia to get a bad bloody nose at least in part because of armatard and co's years and years of shitposting on /k/. As incredibly petty in hindsight as that seems now, but god DAMN were they relentlessly annoying in their smug "oh yeah this CGI and fiberglass model surpasses all western shit and is going to crush and shame anything America makes" over and over.
Brazil has full tech transfer production rights for the Gripen now and are trying really hard to sell it in Latin America and Asia as an F16 alternative. I know Mexico is a major target market and likely.
Producing a simple upgraded Gripen with stealth is probably not going to require gigantic international sales (especially since Viggen, Draken and Gripen never relied on foreign funds for research). Plus it's always good to have a proper native stealth aircraft.
Main capability issue lies moreso in getting it up to par with the F-35 in everything else which is probably more in the capability of one of the 6th gen groups.
Say what you want about the copying chinsects, but at least Ukraine and Israel gave the CCP AESA tech. Something Russia can't into to this very day. It's literally why the Su-30/33/34 have canards. Not to improve performance, but to move the center of gravity and center of pressure back inline with factory Su-27 specs. In order to increase radar performance to at least the early 80s, Russia had to install a huge, heavy PESA, instead of a slim, modern AESA. Just for reference, the N011M Bars (PESA) radar in the Su-30 weighs ~650 kg (1431 lbs) whereas the AN/APG-77 (AESA) weighs 238 kg (524 lbs). Even then, the actual capabilities of the N011M is on par with AN/APG-63 in the F-15C, and nowhere near the F-22 AN/APG-77, or F-35's AN/APG-81 - soon to be AN-APG-83. The Irbis-E in the Su-35 is the most sophisticated Russian radar in production and is equal to 90s US AESA that weight one third of the weight of their Russian counterparts
the su-75 makes sense for russia. it seems like a potentially more mass-producable plane than the su-57 which should be good for wartime.
the mig-41 is basically concept art right now
seem oddly cargo cultey
they all seem familiar like old US designs somehow... maybe made a little sexier by employing designers to boost their looks....
just a feeling tho
Non moronic propaganda meme answer: I think most countries right now are hesitant to go all in on any sixth gen fighter concept since current technology makes it difficult to predict what requirements will actually be needed in the future (2040s-2070s). You could make something that could out compete anything currently existing right now just for it to be completely useless because you didn't account for a specific piece of technology that didn't seem too much of a problem at the time of design. Future sixth gens could be hypersonic missile carrier sleds with cloaking technology. Or they can be a modified somewhat armored F15 with a laser for missile defense and a bunch of heat seekers, gun pods and armored bombs that can actually survive future AD to its target. We simply don't know right now.
Given the absolute trainwreck that Mexico has faced getting Russia to actually honor contracts and supply basic parts for the commercial Sukhoi fleet they're probably utter dogshit in real world use and it's probably a good thing that Mexico cancelled the Su30 tender. The Russians fricked over Mexico in helicopter contracts too.
At best they will exist in the very same way as the Su-57. Glorified mock-ups, that is; atrocious quality prototypes.
If Russians weren’t moronic, they would couple with China when it comes to jets.
Chinks have great production capability but lack when it comes to the design. Russians on the other hand seem to still have the smarts, it’s just that their manufacturing went to utter shit after the fall of USSR.
Every bit as impressive as Armata I'm sure.
The only interesting question is whether this kind of tech is worth investing in. Do fighter jets still have an important role to play, or can they and should they just be replaced by UAVs at this point?
The Chinks do seem to be focusing more on UAVs. They are actually falling behind the US when it comes to fighter jets rather than catching up. After all, they only built about 250 J-20s while the US have made over 1000 F-35s, albeit many for export. And the FC-31 still isn't being mass produced.
You fricking idiot. The entire reason China hasn't made many J-20s is because they don't export them. As for UAVs eventually they will get more expensive as defense against them pops up and then you will start wanting supersonic UAVs, that have autonomous AI, that carry 1000kg bombs.
>supersonic UAVs, that have autonomous AI
Just read an AP thing about how the US is outpacing China on autonamous air-to-air development
https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-fighter-jets-air-force-6a1100c96a73ca9b7f41cbd6a2753fda
Vaporware
>production begun in 2027
Don't think pussia will exist in 2027 lol
Look up Northrop MRF-54e then look at that thing and tell me it's not another russian copy of another US plane, i dare yah all. Yes, Russia copied a fricking rejected design from the fricking early 90s to make their latest stealth jet in 2022 or whenever this joke was proposed.
I see it.
What this means though is that we need to trick them into copying YF-23 Valkyrie instead.
XB-70 was the "Valkyrie"
YF-23 was going to be "Spider"
The two prototypes were named Black Widow and Grey ghost
>YF-23 was going to be "Spider"
>The two prototypes were named Black Widow and Grey ghost
They were marketing it as Black Widow II after pic related, prototypes were named Spider and Grey Ghost. It acquired the nickname spider before they had even built prototypes, due to radar reflections from the plane, it gives stronger reflections into 8 directions, so it had spider legs.
6th generation for USAF is going to be separate optimized platforms for different missions. First being next gen air dominance fighter, that is long range aircraft that may disregard super maneuveribility in favor of long range missiles and shieet. It will be eventually followed with strike aircraft that isn't focused at all at air combat outside of some self defense capability using mostly repurposed hardware from NGAD. For them going multirole is compromising main mission platform and optimizing one plane for everything is too complicated. USN and Europeans might be looking at more multirole solution, because Europeans can't afford to develop multiple types of aircraft and US Navy has limited space on carriers. What those all have in common is focus on fighter coordinating loyal wingman drones for weapons deployment.
>Fires missile
>Missile gets zapped by laser
oof
>Northrop MRF-54
hey, if americans no want plane design, that mean free to use, yes?
>1 (One) Wooden mockup
>0 (Zero) Preproduction/testbed models
>0 (Zero) Production models
Pinnacle of Russian military industry.
When it was still new to the public armatard almost had another mental breakdown over how no one seen the mockup they used for the PR stuff as an already proven and well established plane. The crash of the first Su-57 production unit really broke something in him.
I miss the days of peak Armatard.
not surprised to see the SU-57 do that but holy shit with them people lmfao
>with them people
He was probably the sole reason why this board hates vatnik shills so much.
Ah man was it really almost 5 years ago already? That was wild.
Not the sole there were a few other russia shills back then but yes unironically he was a major reason /k/ went into the war predisposed to hate Russia even before they clearly showed themselves not just as total monsters, but also incredibly petty, stupid and corrupt total monsters that were an embarrassment to the species. People would have begun rooting for the good guy underdogs and their amazing military achievements anyway, but at the very beginning I wanted Russia to get a bad bloody nose at least in part because of armatard and co's years and years of shitposting on /k/. As incredibly petty in hindsight as that seems now, but god DAMN were they relentlessly annoying in their smug "oh yeah this CGI and fiberglass model surpasses all western shit and is going to crush and shame anything America makes" over and over.
Lol I forgot he was calling people piggies even back then.
I'll get back to you once the next Ace Combat drops, since that's the only time we're ever going to see one of these things in combat
I too enjoy speculative fiction.
I don’t have an opinion on things that don’t and will never exist
who the hell wants to fly a single russian engine anything that shit will fall out of the sky more than the F16 did in the 70s
>fly twin-engine aircraft
>land safely back in Russia
>fly single-engine aircraft
>you get to eject and land in a different country
seems like an easy choice to me
Presumably Russians, who made a ton of single engine aircraft before the 4th gen.
the bottom angle actually looks nice... still clunky overall tho...
Femboy was much funnier. Whoever edited it to this is a homosexual. Possibly a femboy.
J-20 got gayin at least.
>NATO designation: Figment*
Fixed.
I prefer the original
it will never enter production just like armata
Didn't they actually make a few?
Only a handful and they've never done anything beyond show them off during parades or "testing new upgrades"
SAAB needs to find customers outside of Sweden first before that ever happens
Brazil has full tech transfer production rights for the Gripen now and are trying really hard to sell it in Latin America and Asia as an F16 alternative. I know Mexico is a major target market and likely.
Producing a simple upgraded Gripen with stealth is probably not going to require gigantic international sales (especially since Viggen, Draken and Gripen never relied on foreign funds for research). Plus it's always good to have a proper native stealth aircraft.
Main capability issue lies moreso in getting it up to par with the F-35 in everything else which is probably more in the capability of one of the 6th gen groups.
China could just muscle it out of the market with their FC-31, considering it is about a decade ahead in development
1970s technology instead of 1960s?
An actual series of iterative prototypes that have been flown for the past decade.
Say what you want about the copying chinsects, but at least Ukraine and Israel gave the CCP AESA tech. Something Russia can't into to this very day. It's literally why the Su-30/33/34 have canards. Not to improve performance, but to move the center of gravity and center of pressure back inline with factory Su-27 specs. In order to increase radar performance to at least the early 80s, Russia had to install a huge, heavy PESA, instead of a slim, modern AESA. Just for reference, the N011M Bars (PESA) radar in the Su-30 weighs ~650 kg (1431 lbs) whereas the AN/APG-77 (AESA) weighs 238 kg (524 lbs). Even then, the actual capabilities of the N011M is on par with AN/APG-63 in the F-15C, and nowhere near the F-22 AN/APG-77, or F-35's AN/APG-81 - soon to be AN-APG-83. The Irbis-E in the Su-35 is the most sophisticated Russian radar in production and is equal to 90s US AESA that weight one third of the weight of their Russian counterparts
Looks like Sukhoi contracted drunken Wagner and their sledgehammers to make it out in the apefrican desert.
Grim.
>>>/x/
the su-75 makes sense for russia. it seems like a potentially more mass-producable plane than the su-57 which should be good for wartime.
the mig-41 is basically concept art right now
>su-75
call me when they make a flying scale model at least
>MiG-41
literally fan art. no, seriously, it's just art some guy made. looks cool though
I think between the two make-believe Russian fighters I prefer the stealth MIG.
why? Even their tanks have more flight hours than su-57
cruisin above 30 feet in the air and see a T-90 turret pass by
No one is going spend any money to buy any of this shit.
seem oddly cargo cultey
they all seem familiar like old US designs somehow... maybe made a little sexier by employing designers to boost their looks....
just a feeling tho
Does it at least have a fancy mount for the ipad to be installed in?
>iPad
Making a lot of assumptions about the Russian Air Force there
>ipad
Those were ukranian jets. It was an easy way to integrate nato weapons.
I like his aesthetic.
Feinters gonna feint
implessive
Non moronic propaganda meme answer: I think most countries right now are hesitant to go all in on any sixth gen fighter concept since current technology makes it difficult to predict what requirements will actually be needed in the future (2040s-2070s). You could make something that could out compete anything currently existing right now just for it to be completely useless because you didn't account for a specific piece of technology that didn't seem too much of a problem at the time of design. Future sixth gens could be hypersonic missile carrier sleds with cloaking technology. Or they can be a modified somewhat armored F15 with a laser for missile defense and a bunch of heat seekers, gun pods and armored bombs that can actually survive future AD to its target. We simply don't know right now.
>new russian jets
where?
Given the absolute trainwreck that Mexico has faced getting Russia to actually honor contracts and supply basic parts for the commercial Sukhoi fleet they're probably utter dogshit in real world use and it's probably a good thing that Mexico cancelled the Su30 tender. The Russians fricked over Mexico in helicopter contracts too.
>what's your opinion on this concept art that will never exist in RL
Uhhh.. I guess it looks cool?
We're more likely to see Saabs single engine stealth fighter go into production than that sack of shit.
why does it have a Leaf roundel and flag?
When Justin Castro axed the F-35 deal, SAAB was hoping they would pick the NG Gripen instead, and later FS2020 maybe
for an airplane that does not and will not exist?
the leaf tender was for the gripen, not some imaginary plane
Brazilians wants to make it real, if they actually will is another question.
At best they will exist in the very same way as the Su-57. Glorified mock-ups, that is; atrocious quality prototypes.
If Russians weren’t moronic, they would couple with China when it comes to jets.
Chinks have great production capability but lack when it comes to the design. Russians on the other hand seem to still have the smarts, it’s just that their manufacturing went to utter shit after the fall of USSR.
It was called Femboy to mock """"straight and mighty"""" Russians you aspeger moron