new russian jets

what are yall's opinions on the SU-75 and/or MiG-41?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every bit as impressive as Armata I'm sure.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Vaporware

      The only interesting question is whether this kind of tech is worth investing in. Do fighter jets still have an important role to play, or can they and should they just be replaced by UAVs at this point?

      The Chinks do seem to be focusing more on UAVs. They are actually falling behind the US when it comes to fighter jets rather than catching up. After all, they only built about 250 J-20s while the US have made over 1000 F-35s, albeit many for export. And the FC-31 still isn't being mass produced.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You fricking idiot. The entire reason China hasn't made many J-20s is because they don't export them. As for UAVs eventually they will get more expensive as defense against them pops up and then you will start wanting supersonic UAVs, that have autonomous AI, that carry 1000kg bombs.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >supersonic UAVs, that have autonomous AI
          Just read an AP thing about how the US is outpacing China on autonamous air-to-air development
          https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-fighter-jets-air-force-6a1100c96a73ca9b7f41cbd6a2753fda

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vaporware

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >production begun in 2027
    Don't think pussia will exist in 2027 lol

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Look up Northrop MRF-54e then look at that thing and tell me it's not another russian copy of another US plane, i dare yah all. Yes, Russia copied a fricking rejected design from the fricking early 90s to make their latest stealth jet in 2022 or whenever this joke was proposed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I see it.
      What this means though is that we need to trick them into copying YF-23 Valkyrie instead.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        XB-70 was the "Valkyrie"
        YF-23 was going to be "Spider"
        The two prototypes were named Black Widow and Grey ghost

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >YF-23 was going to be "Spider"
          >The two prototypes were named Black Widow and Grey ghost
          They were marketing it as Black Widow II after pic related, prototypes were named Spider and Grey Ghost. It acquired the nickname spider before they had even built prototypes, due to radar reflections from the plane, it gives stronger reflections into 8 directions, so it had spider legs.

          https://i.imgur.com/wFdHCnA.png

          Non moronic propaganda meme answer: I think most countries right now are hesitant to go all in on any sixth gen fighter concept since current technology makes it difficult to predict what requirements will actually be needed in the future (2040s-2070s). You could make something that could out compete anything currently existing right now just for it to be completely useless because you didn't account for a specific piece of technology that didn't seem too much of a problem at the time of design. Future sixth gens could be hypersonic missile carrier sleds with cloaking technology. Or they can be a modified somewhat armored F15 with a laser for missile defense and a bunch of heat seekers, gun pods and armored bombs that can actually survive future AD to its target. We simply don't know right now.

          6th generation for USAF is going to be separate optimized platforms for different missions. First being next gen air dominance fighter, that is long range aircraft that may disregard super maneuveribility in favor of long range missiles and shieet. It will be eventually followed with strike aircraft that isn't focused at all at air combat outside of some self defense capability using mostly repurposed hardware from NGAD. For them going multirole is compromising main mission platform and optimizing one plane for everything is too complicated. USN and Europeans might be looking at more multirole solution, because Europeans can't afford to develop multiple types of aircraft and US Navy has limited space on carriers. What those all have in common is focus on fighter coordinating loyal wingman drones for weapons deployment.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Fires missile
            >Missile gets zapped by laser

            oof

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Northrop MRF-54
      hey, if americans no want plane design, that mean free to use, yes?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >1 (One) Wooden mockup
    >0 (Zero) Preproduction/testbed models
    >0 (Zero) Production models

    Pinnacle of Russian military industry.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When it was still new to the public armatard almost had another mental breakdown over how no one seen the mockup they used for the PR stuff as an already proven and well established plane. The crash of the first Su-57 production unit really broke something in him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I miss the days of peak Armatard.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not surprised to see the SU-57 do that but holy shit with them people lmfao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >with them people
            He was probably the sole reason why this board hates vatnik shills so much.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ah man was it really almost 5 years ago already? That was wild.

          >with them people
          He was probably the sole reason why this board hates vatnik shills so much.

          Not the sole there were a few other russia shills back then but yes unironically he was a major reason /k/ went into the war predisposed to hate Russia even before they clearly showed themselves not just as total monsters, but also incredibly petty, stupid and corrupt total monsters that were an embarrassment to the species. People would have begun rooting for the good guy underdogs and their amazing military achievements anyway, but at the very beginning I wanted Russia to get a bad bloody nose at least in part because of armatard and co's years and years of shitposting on /k/. As incredibly petty in hindsight as that seems now, but god DAMN were they relentlessly annoying in their smug "oh yeah this CGI and fiberglass model surpasses all western shit and is going to crush and shame anything America makes" over and over.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lol I forgot he was calling people piggies even back then.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll get back to you once the next Ace Combat drops, since that's the only time we're ever going to see one of these things in combat

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I too enjoy speculative fiction.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t have an opinion on things that don’t and will never exist

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      who the hell wants to fly a single russian engine anything that shit will fall out of the sky more than the F16 did in the 70s

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fly twin-engine aircraft
        >land safely back in Russia

        >fly single-engine aircraft
        >you get to eject and land in a different country

        seems like an easy choice to me

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Presumably Russians, who made a ton of single engine aircraft before the 4th gen.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the bottom angle actually looks nice... still clunky overall tho...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Femboy was much funnier. Whoever edited it to this is a homosexual. Possibly a femboy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        J-20 got gayin at least.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >NATO designation: Figment*
      Fixed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I prefer the original

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it will never enter production just like armata

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't they actually make a few?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only a handful and they've never done anything beyond show them off during parades or "testing new upgrades"

        https://i.imgur.com/udsTBpb.png

        We're more likely to see Saabs single engine stealth fighter go into production than that sack of shit.

        SAAB needs to find customers outside of Sweden first before that ever happens

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Brazil has full tech transfer production rights for the Gripen now and are trying really hard to sell it in Latin America and Asia as an F16 alternative. I know Mexico is a major target market and likely.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Producing a simple upgraded Gripen with stealth is probably not going to require gigantic international sales (especially since Viggen, Draken and Gripen never relied on foreign funds for research). Plus it's always good to have a proper native stealth aircraft.
          Main capability issue lies moreso in getting it up to par with the F-35 in everything else which is probably more in the capability of one of the 6th gen groups.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China could just muscle it out of the market with their FC-31, considering it is about a decade ahead in development

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1970s technology instead of 1960s?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        An actual series of iterative prototypes that have been flown for the past decade.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Say what you want about the copying chinsects, but at least Ukraine and Israel gave the CCP AESA tech. Something Russia can't into to this very day. It's literally why the Su-30/33/34 have canards. Not to improve performance, but to move the center of gravity and center of pressure back inline with factory Su-27 specs. In order to increase radar performance to at least the early 80s, Russia had to install a huge, heavy PESA, instead of a slim, modern AESA. Just for reference, the N011M Bars (PESA) radar in the Su-30 weighs ~650 kg (1431 lbs) whereas the AN/APG-77 (AESA) weighs 238 kg (524 lbs). Even then, the actual capabilities of the N011M is on par with AN/APG-63 in the F-15C, and nowhere near the F-22 AN/APG-77, or F-35's AN/APG-81 - soon to be AN-APG-83. The Irbis-E in the Su-35 is the most sophisticated Russian radar in production and is equal to 90s US AESA that weight one third of the weight of their Russian counterparts

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like Sukhoi contracted drunken Wagner and their sledgehammers to make it out in the apefrican desert.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Grim.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>>/x/

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the su-75 makes sense for russia. it seems like a potentially more mass-producable plane than the su-57 which should be good for wartime.
    the mig-41 is basically concept art right now

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >su-75
    call me when they make a flying scale model at least

    >MiG-41
    literally fan art. no, seriously, it's just art some guy made. looks cool though

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think between the two make-believe Russian fighters I prefer the stealth MIG.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why? Even their tanks have more flight hours than su-57

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cruisin above 30 feet in the air and see a T-90 turret pass by

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one is going spend any money to buy any of this shit.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    seem oddly cargo cultey
    they all seem familiar like old US designs somehow... maybe made a little sexier by employing designers to boost their looks....
    just a feeling tho

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does it at least have a fancy mount for the ipad to be installed in?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >iPad
      Making a lot of assumptions about the Russian Air Force there

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ipad
      Those were ukranian jets. It was an easy way to integrate nato weapons.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like his aesthetic.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Feinters gonna feint

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    implessive

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Non moronic propaganda meme answer: I think most countries right now are hesitant to go all in on any sixth gen fighter concept since current technology makes it difficult to predict what requirements will actually be needed in the future (2040s-2070s). You could make something that could out compete anything currently existing right now just for it to be completely useless because you didn't account for a specific piece of technology that didn't seem too much of a problem at the time of design. Future sixth gens could be hypersonic missile carrier sleds with cloaking technology. Or they can be a modified somewhat armored F15 with a laser for missile defense and a bunch of heat seekers, gun pods and armored bombs that can actually survive future AD to its target. We simply don't know right now.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >new russian jets
    where?

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Given the absolute trainwreck that Mexico has faced getting Russia to actually honor contracts and supply basic parts for the commercial Sukhoi fleet they're probably utter dogshit in real world use and it's probably a good thing that Mexico cancelled the Su30 tender. The Russians fricked over Mexico in helicopter contracts too.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what's your opinion on this concept art that will never exist in RL
    Uhhh.. I guess it looks cool?

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We're more likely to see Saabs single engine stealth fighter go into production than that sack of shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why does it have a Leaf roundel and flag?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When Justin Castro axed the F-35 deal, SAAB was hoping they would pick the NG Gripen instead, and later FS2020 maybe

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          for an airplane that does not and will not exist?
          the leaf tender was for the gripen, not some imaginary plane

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Brazilians wants to make it real, if they actually will is another question.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At best they will exist in the very same way as the Su-57. Glorified mock-ups, that is; atrocious quality prototypes.
    If Russians weren’t moronic, they would couple with China when it comes to jets.
    Chinks have great production capability but lack when it comes to the design. Russians on the other hand seem to still have the smarts, it’s just that their manufacturing went to utter shit after the fall of USSR.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It was called Femboy to mock """"straight and mighty"""" Russians you aspeger moron

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