I can only assume they're going for an angled flight deck but have to work around the existing tanker superstructure. as far as anyone knows they only plan to launch drones so the deck probably doesn't need more than what you see.
This thing is never going to do any aggresive turns that might compromise the stability of the structure, so it probably doesn't cost much to do it as wide as possible for ease of landing.
To be honest with you the idea of converting a cargo ship into a relatively cheap sea mobile drone and helicopter launch platform seems sound enough on a theoretical level, I'm just not sure how the intend to keep it protected given its size and value as a target.
Maybe its just never supposed to leave the range of ground based fighter craft and/or air defences
I could even see the US getting use out of a similar (though presumably smaller and more efficient) design to rapidly increase things like wingman drone carrying capacity for its CSGs in the event of a sudden outbreak of hostilities
The cost of any substantial airwing being on the ship means it's worth investing the money to protect it properly, which means proper shipbuilding instead of taking a lowest cost cargo ship and loading her up.
It's way too vulnerable. Drones can't protect against air attack and Iranians lack the proper escorts or aircraft to protect it from a concentrated air attack from the likes of Israel/US. In the first minutes of a hot war this thing is at the bottom of the sea.
It's also going to be tracked 24/7, so its usefulness in drone strikes is questionable
Nothing new to this, brits did ocean liners conversion in the 1910s. I guess Iran is at 1910s levels, good for them, I guess. Thirdies still have quite a bit of catch up to do.
That's a converted battleship hull, not a cargo ship. Many battleship and cruiser hulls were converted to aircraft carriers, especially after the washington naval treaty.
I don't know if escort carriers really count as carriers but I guess that's close if nothing else
Here's one that actually IS a converted cargo ship, started as a regular oil tanker and just had a deck put on top. (While still functioning as a tanker underneath.) The British later built a bunch of these, as well as grain carrier versions, from scratch but the first few were conversions.
the difference is that the designers back then had the neurons to realize that a fricking huge box structure on the deck was not a effective way of maximizing the flight deck space. This concept alluded these morons
>am i supposed to hate it? if its stupid and it works is it really stupid
it will be operated by muslims so it will only be effective against other muslims, not israelites or yanks.
>they are the most competent muslims, so...
how deadly are they on a scale of 1 to 10
with 1 being a lone incel with a banana
and 10 being any single one of the major allied or axis powers in wwii
>take a fricking cargo ship with zero defenses >cram a bunch of your irreplaceable air force jets on it >shocked pikachu face when israel sinks it and takes out a huge chunk of your air force with one missile
It'll be funny but the meltdown will make this board unusable for days after it happens
I think the funniest part is knowing that this hunk of shit is almost certainly more seaworthy and capable than the chinese carrier that's like a decade behind schedule
China's carrier program is so funny to me
Rather than just move to helicopter carriers like Russia is doing which are cheaper and better to use for smaller operations
They want the big boy carriers
But instead of doing the time and effort into it they just bought a rotten Soviet husk
And copied it and modified more of then to make it look modern without actually doing anything to make it...modern
Imagine if it actually works though... Every nation with even a hint of shipbuilding ability and delusions of grandeur bubbaing their freighters into carriers like this is some fricking space opera. Maybe some madlads will even start building arsenal freighters packed with dumbfire rockets...
I mean
It COULD work
There's nothing wrong with using a cargo ship as a base. Older aircraft carriers were converted ships
It's just Iran doesn't have the aircraft for this. Even drones don't make sense to use this
Maybe it's for Russian planes to land on? Doing that will make the carrier immune from Western attack since there's Russians on board.
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This hasn't saved individual Russians in the past why would it save them now because of dumb deescalation policies.
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Anonymous
Shhh! Don't discourage him! Are you staying we shouldn't let Russian pilots land on that thing? You know they have the planes and pilots to pull it off 100% successfully. They're totally not going to overshoot or overestimate the landway length and totally not explode crashing into the command bridge! Cmon dude....
>Older aircraft carriers were converted ships
Actually a frickton of WW2 carriers began their life as something completely different. Battleships, cargo ships, oilers, liners, whatever.
>It's just Iran doesn't have the aircraft for this. Even drones don't make sense to use this
absolute dumbshit /k/ poster
the *drones* dont need to come back and land, its sending 90% of them on a 1 way trip
do you understand that?
>take a fricking cargo ship with zero defenses >cram a bunch of your irreplaceable air force jets on it >shocked pikachu face when israel sinks it and takes out a huge chunk of your air force with one missile
It'll be funny but the meltdown will make this board unusable for days after it happens
lmfao >nu /k/ muses on how israel and the US can totally sink this POS "Iranian backed ship" and "glass those towelheads" afterwards (ez) in the process
>Imagine if it actually works though... Every nation with even a hint of shipbuilding ability and delusions of grandeur bubbaing their freighters into carriers
but this was proven to work 100 years ago
how the frick are planes supposed to land on this thing anyways? if you frick up your approach or landing at all you just end up slamming into the tower
>That’s the tipping point that will make /k/ unusable
Have you been paying attention at all over the past few years? The desperate Ukie shills and salty assmad VatBlack folk have ruined our little shithole of a board.
This guy got molested by his mega church pastor hard enough to shrug off actual war crimes on US sailors by "our greatest ally" that's actually pretty impressive k4xk
I think he means that the giant block superstructure is still right there in the middle of the thing. Can they not remove it and make a more compact island more out of the way? It looks super uncomfortable to land on that thing with the island that close.
Could you explain sorry I don't know what you mean
I think he means that the giant block superstructure is still right there in the middle of the thing. Can they not remove it and make a more compact island more out of the way? It looks super uncomfortable to land on that thing with the island that close.
I think you can remove it but maybe they don't have the ability to create a structure on the side
the planes will land and take off by the will of Allah. thus all landings will be perfect except for when Allah calls the pilot to his side.
Maybe Iran intends to operate it around Yemen. Giving it to the Houthis would make it vulnerable to coalition strike so it would be under Iranian command. All bets are off if Trump is elected though.
If this cargo ship with a ramp proves feasible, then many 2nd and 3rd world navies would realize that they could also build one even if the all the planes they will use are propeller driven ones or even cheap drones. Its like the 1930's all over again.
Pretty cool. Close to a US carrier concept from the 60s.
The landing strip is at the front and angles towards the centerline. That way you get this large space on the flightdeck that can be used for parking and rearming while on the conventional flightdeck you have to move the aircraft to the front after landing and then for take off you have to taxi them onto the back to clear the space near the catapults.
there was a reason why this was not chosen, also this is still a better deign because of the size of the flight deck, the Iranian one is 1/4 of the size. so everything is going to be cramped as frick. Not to mention the risk of the plane crashing into the tower on landing. Which to a mind of a middle eastern pilot a large square tower is hard wired to be a place to land
Drones. Probably more than just shaheed. Probably reaper we have at home as well. Hopefully some kind of asw drones too. I have significant doubts about this thing having proper support elements.
It would be cool as frick if they treated this cargo ship conversion like a real carrier and conducted actual flight ops training with it, deployed it and ran it as if it were a serious warship working to fulfill Iranian policy objectives on the seas. But…that’s not how it’ll be used and everyone damn well knows it; it’ll just a budget prop for internal optics and regional sand peasant propaganda. This is a nation whose main naval arm is fricking motorboats, they’re simply not serious about this. Considering how corrupt the shithole is maybe this is all they CAN do.
Oh that part jutting out the side seems not good. What are they planning to land on it?
...and I have to ask what do they want an aircraft carrier for? Are they planning to project their power to the western hemisphere? That's way not a good idea.
What's to stop a USN/IAF from launching like 2 Fighter jets with Harpoons and sinking it? It lacks modern air defenses, drones can't dogfight yet, and Iranian navy doesn't have much in the way of escort vessels
All of this and more belies the fact that Iran is even dumber than it seems. Not only will this ship never be capable of doing shit, there isn't anything useful for it to do.
Iran already has carriers deployed to each of its strategic waterways: one is Iran, and the other is Yemen.
>Be Iranian military >launder resources from your own country as its population waits in breadlines >Want prestige project like a carrier >still too poor to afford one >make this one anyway
It's just for vanity and spying in the Gulf. It's not a carrier in the real sense at all.
>Iran is basically cousin fricking north korea, a bratty carrier getting the jdam correction wont bother anyone who could do something about it
how many more jdams untill the pool opens up tho?
those bratty "iran backed" lifeguards took away my swim pass
Before you ask
Yes it has a ramp
Weird, you have to launch in a wicked curve to get a full run at the ramp.
This is the one that's literally just a cargo ship they're slapping a flight deck onto, right?
Yup
Well they actually built something to add the flight deck too as well
is this AI generated?
that platform doesn't look very secure. shouldn't the majority of the ship be under the flight deck?
I can only assume they're going for an angled flight deck but have to work around the existing tanker superstructure. as far as anyone knows they only plan to launch drones so the deck probably doesn't need more than what you see.
People keep saying just drones but that runway is too wide for simple drones
>too wide
wat?
nobody has ever said "we can't land there, the runway is too wide"
I meant more its too wide for JUST drones
depends what they're using.
some of them drones get pretty w i d e
This thing is never going to do any aggresive turns that might compromise the stability of the structure, so it probably doesn't cost much to do it as wide as possible for ease of landing.
It's just that easy in shipbuilding.
To be honest with you the idea of converting a cargo ship into a relatively cheap sea mobile drone and helicopter launch platform seems sound enough on a theoretical level, I'm just not sure how the intend to keep it protected given its size and value as a target.
Maybe its just never supposed to leave the range of ground based fighter craft and/or air defences
I could even see the US getting use out of a similar (though presumably smaller and more efficient) design to rapidly increase things like wingman drone carrying capacity for its CSGs in the event of a sudden outbreak of hostilities
The cost of any substantial airwing being on the ship means it's worth investing the money to protect it properly, which means proper shipbuilding instead of taking a lowest cost cargo ship and loading her up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Lewis_B._Puller_(ESB-3)
the USN basically already has that
>mobile wiki link to something totally unrelated
pottery.
It's way too vulnerable. Drones can't protect against air attack and Iranians lack the proper escorts or aircraft to protect it from a concentrated air attack from the likes of Israel/US. In the first minutes of a hot war this thing is at the bottom of the sea.
It's also going to be tracked 24/7, so its usefulness in drone strikes is questionable
Overall it just is a propaganda/prestige thing
Nothing new to this, brits did ocean liners conversion in the 1910s. I guess Iran is at 1910s levels, good for them, I guess. Thirdies still have quite a bit of catch up to do.
That's a converted ocean liner, not a cargo ship
That's a converted battleship hull, not a cargo ship. Many battleship and cruiser hulls were converted to aircraft carriers, especially after the washington naval treaty.
Does this count?
I don't know if escort carriers really count as carriers but I guess that's close if nothing else
Here's one that actually IS a converted cargo ship, started as a regular oil tanker and just had a deck put on top. (While still functioning as a tanker underneath.) The British later built a bunch of these, as well as grain carrier versions, from scratch but the first few were conversions.
the difference is that the designers back then had the neurons to realize that a fricking huge box structure on the deck was not a effective way of maximizing the flight deck space. This concept alluded these morons
moron the RN did the exact same thing as the Iranians are doing (well way shittier actually) in the Falklands wtf are you talking about
am i supposed to hate it? if its stupid and it works is it really stupid
>am i supposed to hate it? if its stupid and it works is it really stupid
it will be operated by muslims so it will only be effective against other muslims, not israelites or yanks.
they are the most competent muslims, so...
>they are the most competent muslims, so...
how deadly are they on a scale of 1 to 10
with 1 being a lone incel with a banana
and 10 being any single one of the major allied or axis powers in wwii
The Persian IQ is stable while the mutt IQ keeps going down, so at some point it will inevitably cross...
>The Persian IQ is stable while the mutt IQ keeps going down, so at some point it will inevitably cross...
Average IQ doesn't matter. USA still has 100 million or whatever Anglo-German-Chink-israelite males.
>and it works
They are going to need escorts. It's a great idea, the days if manned aircraft are over.
Its going to be hilarious watching this thing get sent to the bottom of the ocean within 1 week of it's completion.
It's going to be deployed to Yemen apparently
god I hope so
>take a fricking cargo ship with zero defenses
>cram a bunch of your irreplaceable air force jets on it
>shocked pikachu face when israel sinks it and takes out a huge chunk of your air force with one missile
It'll be funny but the meltdown will make this board unusable for days after it happens
I am SO FRICKING READY
For this thing to be completed
I want to see everyone argue over it
I think the funniest part is knowing that this hunk of shit is almost certainly more seaworthy and capable than the chinese carrier that's like a decade behind schedule
China's carrier program is so funny to me
Rather than just move to helicopter carriers like Russia is doing which are cheaper and better to use for smaller operations
They want the big boy carriers
But instead of doing the time and effort into it they just bought a rotten Soviet husk
And copied it and modified more of then to make it look modern without actually doing anything to make it...modern
Someone convinced the higher ups in the CCP that they can win an open sea war against the USN
Imagine if it actually works though... Every nation with even a hint of shipbuilding ability and delusions of grandeur bubbaing their freighters into carriers like this is some fricking space opera. Maybe some madlads will even start building arsenal freighters packed with dumbfire rockets...
I mean
It COULD work
There's nothing wrong with using a cargo ship as a base. Older aircraft carriers were converted ships
It's just Iran doesn't have the aircraft for this. Even drones don't make sense to use this
Maybe it's for Russian planes to land on? Doing that will make the carrier immune from Western attack since there's Russians on board.
This hasn't saved individual Russians in the past why would it save them now because of dumb deescalation policies.
Shhh! Don't discourage him! Are you staying we shouldn't let Russian pilots land on that thing? You know they have the planes and pilots to pull it off 100% successfully. They're totally not going to overshoot or overestimate the landway length and totally not explode crashing into the command bridge! Cmon dude....
>Older aircraft carriers were converted ships
Actually a frickton of WW2 carriers began their life as something completely different. Battleships, cargo ships, oilers, liners, whatever.
>It's just Iran doesn't have the aircraft for this. Even drones don't make sense to use this
absolute dumbshit /k/ poster
the *drones* dont need to come back and land, its sending 90% of them on a 1 way trip
do you understand that?
lmfao
>nu /k/ muses on how israel and the US can totally sink this POS "Iranian backed ship" and "glass those towelheads" afterwards (ez) in the process
>Imagine if it actually works though... Every nation with even a hint of shipbuilding ability and delusions of grandeur bubbaing their freighters into carriers
but this was proven to work 100 years ago
how the frick are planes supposed to land on this thing anyways? if you frick up your approach or landing at all you just end up slamming into the tower
I have not been following this development as closely as I should've but if it's slinging suicide drones at sea landing won't be a problem.
>that water line
Do they even have a port deep enough to berth fully fueled and loaded?
theres so little dock equipment, im guessing this is just for show
It's been confirmed to be a drone carrier pretty sure
>That’s the tipping point that will make /k/ unusable
Have you been paying attention at all over the past few years? The desperate Ukie shills and salty assmad VatBlack folk have ruined our little shithole of a board.
Why would Israel sink the flagship of a nation that is not attacking them also in international waters? That's an act of war.
Whewwww boy who wants to tell him
Yep. Israel loves to attack ships. Americans have a good story about it, USS liberty was called?
meh
This guy got molested by his mega church pastor hard enough to shrug off actual war crimes on US sailors by "our greatest ally" that's actually pretty impressive k4xk
this shit is a silver platter for US/Israel.
>no radar/EW
>no anti-aircraft capabilities
>no rapid fire guns
>shocked pikachu face
you have to go back
>kym filename
so do you apparently
>but the meltdown will make this board unusable for days after it happens
are you kidding, it will be worth it's weight in gold
>no through deck
Would it even be possible to modify it that way?
Could you explain sorry I don't know what you mean
I think he means that the giant block superstructure is still right there in the middle of the thing. Can they not remove it and make a more compact island more out of the way? It looks super uncomfortable to land on that thing with the island that close.
I think you can remove it but maybe they don't have the ability to create a structure on the side
the planes will land and take off by the will of Allah. thus all landings will be perfect except for when Allah calls the pilot to his side.
Inshallah.
implessive
Maybe Iran intends to operate it around Yemen. Giving it to the Houthis would make it vulnerable to coalition strike so it would be under Iranian command. All bets are off if Trump is elected though.
If this cargo ship with a ramp proves feasible, then many 2nd and 3rd world navies would realize that they could also build one even if the all the planes they will use are propeller driven ones or even cheap drones. Its like the 1930's all over again.
Pretty cool. Close to a US carrier concept from the 60s.
The landing strip is at the front and angles towards the centerline. That way you get this large space on the flightdeck that can be used for parking and rearming while on the conventional flightdeck you have to move the aircraft to the front after landing and then for take off you have to taxi them onto the back to clear the space near the catapults.
there was a reason why this was not chosen, also this is still a better deign because of the size of the flight deck, the Iranian one is 1/4 of the size. so everything is going to be cramped as frick. Not to mention the risk of the plane crashing into the tower on landing. Which to a mind of a middle eastern pilot a large square tower is hard wired to be a place to land
>Which to a mind of a middle eastern pilot a large square tower is hard wired to be a place to land
kek
is there any expectation this will be anything more than a drone platform with maybe a few helos on it?
future thinking
always like the idea of this shit-pile, but I've never once managed to make it combat effective.
Is it actually meant to carry fighters or just shahed drones?
Drones. Probably more than just shaheed. Probably reaper we have at home as well. Hopefully some kind of asw drones too. I have significant doubts about this thing having proper support elements.
Guys I'm starting to have doubts this is for drones
This is way too big and expensive for drones when you can just use any normal craft to launch them
That thing is gonna get sunk by Trump within a year.
*Biden
>He thinks Trump will win
>He thinks sleepy Joe will win
It would be cool as frick if they treated this cargo ship conversion like a real carrier and conducted actual flight ops training with it, deployed it and ran it as if it were a serious warship working to fulfill Iranian policy objectives on the seas. But…that’s not how it’ll be used and everyone damn well knows it; it’ll just a budget prop for internal optics and regional sand peasant propaganda. This is a nation whose main naval arm is fricking motorboats, they’re simply not serious about this. Considering how corrupt the shithole is maybe this is all they CAN do.
It is written in blood why converted "carriers" are not a serious proposition beyond support functions in low threat environments.
Is it? Most MACs were normal
Normal for what? Normal for nearly 80 years?
Yes? They're just normal cheap aircraft carriers that went away after the Falklands
Oh that part jutting out the side seems not good. What are they planning to land on it?
...and I have to ask what do they want an aircraft carrier for? Are they planning to project their power to the western hemisphere? That's way not a good idea.
Probably spying for Yemen
What's to stop a USN/IAF from launching like 2 Fighter jets with Harpoons and sinking it? It lacks modern air defenses, drones can't dogfight yet, and Iranian navy doesn't have much in the way of escort vessels
All of this and more belies the fact that Iran is even dumber than it seems. Not only will this ship never be capable of doing shit, there isn't anything useful for it to do.
Iran already has carriers deployed to each of its strategic waterways: one is Iran, and the other is Yemen.
>Be Iranian military
>launder resources from your own country as its population waits in breadlines
>Want prestige project like a carrier
>still too poor to afford one
>make this one anyway
It's just for vanity and spying in the Gulf. It's not a carrier in the real sense at all.
International law
Iran is basically cousin fricking north korea, a bratty carrier getting the jdam correction wont bother anyone who could do something about it
>Iran is basically cousin fricking north korea, a bratty carrier getting the jdam correction wont bother anyone who could do something about it
how many more jdams untill the pool opens up tho?
those bratty "iran backed" lifeguards took away my swim pass
I wonder if car/truck carrier ships (PCTC) would be the best options for aircraft/drone carrier conversions?