>be missile >trying to figure out what to track >certainly not the flying disco ball
I'm pretty sure "erratic light diffusion" would let a missile track it easier by having a wider range of wavelengths to follow.
That depends entirely on how the missile's tracking algorithm works. If it just beelined absolute intensity values you'd end up always going for flares.
>flying disco ball
It'd be more like a flying soft fuzzball that has lower intensity light patterns rather than a hard flat surface with a solid return which you can already see from the variations between the lighter and darker spots which would be especially confusing for missiles or IRST pods which would look for solid shapes.
If individual panels can be swapped fairly easily that would be of great help to the USN where the salt air environment chews up all manner of materials.
probably just experimenting with different RAM coatings. either to improve radar absorption or more likely to increase durability/reduce maintenance costs and workload.
if they can make cheap RAM that requires no maintenance, even if it's worse than the current standard F35/F22 coating it will be a major breakthrough and will enable them to put it on literally everything flying from hand launched army drones to helicopters,tomahawks,harpoons,JDAMs,MLRS,HAARM even javalin rockets.
nah. it's just like the world of tanks nerds. Someone knew someone working on the project so they threw it in as a plausibly deniable easter egg. Shit happens all the time with military toys and games but nobody ever notices or cares.
Last I heard, the speculation is that it's to reduce heat signature or otherwise confuse IR tracking systems. They've been testing it a LOT on mothballed f-117s too. There's some speculation that they're considering upgrading the f-117 fleet and putting it back into service, which would make sense considering it still has the smallest radar signature of any American aircraft, and its main issue was its IR signature.
idk if you know the story but that's a real photo of an f-117 on a ferry flight to a museum with no RAM coating. The paint removal crew were allowed to graffiti it as a reward because the job was so laborious and hazardous.
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Yeah, I know about the burn barrels, and the cancer. I don't have any more F-117 livery pics, so, have a Senior Prom instead.
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https://i.imgur.com/lJ6BHMB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BemZH8R.jpg
These are really cool. I've never seen them before.
I wish they'd release development pics of more recent projects but it seems like after "area 51 fever" in the 90s they decided to stop publishing anything interesting to kill interest. I'm pretty sure all the cool shit gets tested out of Guam and Kwaji now too so there's no possibility of it being spotted.
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>I wish they'd release development pics of more recent projects but it seems like after "area 51 fever" in the 90s they decided to stop publishing anything interesting to kill interest.
Doesn't help, either, that they pushed observers back, and built up dirt berms to where you can't see in anymore. RQ-180 is about the only new system they're bringing into the gray world. Still a lot of stuff from the 80s-90s still not being seen, nor talked about in much detail.
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It seems a lot gets tested at white sands and at night time now.
Breaking news comrades!
Please be viewing image of HATO stealth bomber spotted in attempt to drop bioweapons on innocent people of Russia. Narrowly avoided thanks to superior S-500 air defence system.
For more informations that Western media try to bury, check Incel Slave Z.
Last I heard, the speculation is that it's to reduce heat signature or otherwise confuse IR tracking systems. They've been testing it a LOT on mothballed f-117s too. There's some speculation that they're considering upgrading the f-117 fleet and putting it back into service, which would make sense considering it still has the smallest radar signature of any American aircraft, and its main issue was its IR signature.
What would we do with them, sell them to countries that dont qualify for f35? Station them temporarily in europe while f35 orders are filled? Air national guard stealth fighters?
If the f117 is the stealthiest thing we have why on earth were they retired in the first place? Surely they'd always have a place in an air campaign as a decapitation/DEAD tool
>If the f117 is the stealthiest thing we have why on earth were they retired in the first place?
They aren't, really. They're also old stealth tech which relied on extremely toxic RAM coatings instead of materials to fully be stealth. Not only that, but they had no radar, and couldn't use their RWR system when close to their target, or SAM systems, as it had to pop out from the body, and would ruin the stealth characteristics enough to get a lock. Furthermore, it had to have either SOF team, or companion running laser designation for it to drop its load. Add into that it didn't maneuver well, and was sub-sonic with the aerodynamics of a brick.
The big radars you see with high end sam systems don't work with helicopters because they fly close to the ground. Helicopter stealth is more about the noise and the exhaust heat reduction for the ir lock.
I think I remember reading that the biggest stealth aspects of those sorts of helicopters was reduced noise. Obviously they tried to reduce any detection they could, but they managed to reduce the noise by a LOT without sacrificing too much performance for those sorts of missions. I don't recall if what I read mentioned by how much, but apparently here's some that only go to 4 decibels.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/silent-rotor-blades-could-lead-to-true-stealth-helicopters/
The US was playing with RCS reducing curves and shapes way back, they just didnt spec hard into it until they had the RAM and predictive geometry math to go with it
The US was playing with RCS reducing curves and shapes way back, they just didnt spec hard into it until they had the RAM and predictive geometry math to go with it
Super hornet, unlike the old hornet, is actually a fairly new and recent jet. It was designed in the 90s and became operational in the early 2000s. It's no wonder US did adjustments to what's basically a design contemporary to F-22.
In fact, among all current 4.5th gens super hornet is probably the one with the most rcs reducing features, for example the angled tail stabilizers and upward facing radar dish, among others. With block III its stealthiness has been taken even further, as well as having a stealth weapons pod developed for it. Its rcs is quoted to range from 0.1-1m2. The only 2 designs that may be comparable in terms of rcs would be KF-21 and Su-57, if you trust their own patents and believe that they can actually make the aircraft to spec(which they likely won't, seeing how crooked the weapons bay doors look).
>block III
I wish they would have added the conformal fuel tanks, too. Range is the only thing it's lacking.
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I hope the superhornet has a longer lifespan, it (rather the hornet in general) is my favorite plane
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I have a love hate relationship with it. On the one hand I love the F-5 and light jet fighters in general, they're just neat. The YF-17 and F-18 fall into that niche. But as a leaf, the fact we're still flying OG CF-18s is a national tragedy.
No, an Owlet moth has an RCS of ~0.0003m^2, when illuminating with 9.4 GHz X-band. The F-35's composite skin, and Carbon Nano Tube fiber mat RAM are excellent at absorbing a wide range of frequencies that would be illuminating it.
>The F-35 also has excellent RAM bonded to the composite panels, making it extremely difficult to detect - if not impossible. >The composite absorbs radar in a frequency range from about 0.10 Megahertz to about 60 Gigahertz. The CNT-infused fiber material forms a first layer that reduces radar reflectance and a second layer that dissipates the energy of the radar. >Radar absorbing composite materials of the present invention are particularly effective, for example, in the L- through K-band as described herein further below.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20100271253
Why not just look it up instead of looking moronic?
> According to November 2005 reports, the US Air Force states that theF-22has the lowest RCS of any manned aircraft in the USAF inventory, with a frontal RCS of 0.0001~0.0002 sqm, marble sized in frontal aspect.
Yep, the thought process at the end of WWII was that American air dominance was so total that trying to hide aircraft was pretty much pointless, so why not strip some weight and cost by foregoing the paint? This mentality carried on over to Korea and ended sometime in the 60s.
With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the authoritarian east and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the American eagle, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody regimes of eastern powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of American adaptive cycle turbines, shiny stealth tile technology, direct energy weaponry, nuclear aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced AESA radars will be the instruments with which America affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; a humanist alternative to the depredations of shithole dictatorships and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified liberalism.
no thats moronic, that shit takes days to put on the plane.
there's a purpose made solution for when you need to radar track your planes that the manufacturers of f35 and f22 included and it's attachment points for reflectors that you can put on in a couple of minutes
I wonder if this is actually a new coating, or if they just haven't applied to RAM topcoat yet. The F35 RAM is (at least) two parts: the undercoat that is baked into the composite body panels, and the topcoat (the darker more matte black coating you're used to seeing). I wonder if we're seeing the planes going through testing/check out without the topcoat applied. I could be way wrong, it's just a question I have.
They aren't going to fly the planes around halft finished like that. Exposure to the elements during flight is not conducive to having a nice base for putting the stealth paint on.
This is totally something experimental. They're testing different coatings against radar and IRST sensors. Emphasis on the IRST sensors.
Two decades of bad choices and playing in the sand. Bad acquisition, bad execution, bad strategy that was making gaps over other nations close.
Now back to improving planes, new ships that will get jobs done, new rifles that defeat armor, and new packages for tanks & other armor. Making peer warfare impossible because there is no peer. Where did it all go so right, Ameribros?
I mean, it followed the plan trump set forth and agreed to. So it's not entirely wrong, but as biden was the one in control at the time (and had been for months), clearly it was still biden's pull out and the shitshow that it was certainly wasn't wholly trump's responsibility by that point..
>To be honest I think it's probably still more stealthy than an SU-57.
Suhoi former director Pogosyan said that Su-57 RCS is about 1m2... He has patent for such """"stealth"""" fighter...
Have they fricked with the F-117s internals at all, new hardware or overlaid a new layer or something, I seem to recall one of the reasons they stopped flying it was because of how finicky they were
They claimed they were retired from combat service, but even that is doubtful as there are reports of them being used for strike missions in the middle east as late as 2016, 8 years after their supposed retirement.
Besides that we know they fly adversarial training roles as well as likely being used for on-going development work like the chrome we see here (likely infrared camo).
> In March 2019, it was reported that four F-117s had been secretly deployed to the Middle East in 2016 and that one had to make an emergency landing at Ali Al Salem (OKAS), Kuwait sometime late that year
Probably just done to ensure the pilots can do live bomb missions for practice or test new toys. May as well, the Taliban didnt have meaningful AA even when we showed up in 01.
Literally just live training or live fire exercise. Sometimes the flight crews gotta get the dust brushed off, especially in a pseudo retired plane spending most of its time doing aggressor type work or being a r&d test bed
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Do you not realise how easy it would be to do live fire exercises on US soil? There is no real training benefit to be had from bombing goat herders over targets in curated training missions.
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Im not saying it makes a ton of sense to me, thats just my best guess if its true--that they wanted to keep pilot deployment experience up for whatever reason, or they were outfitted with some sort of experimental pod or whatever.
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Not him, but any idea why they would deploy those? I wonder what mission profile would require an F117 instead of a B2.
B-2s are expensive as frick and the F-117 RCS is smaller than the F-35.
If you want to fly into some middle east shit stain country with piss poor (if any) air defense radar, the F-117 can get in and out without being seen easier than the F-35 could.
Obviously, B-2 can do it too, but there are a very limited number of those and they likely cost a lot more to operate.
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>the F-117 RCS is smaller than the F-35.
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Not by much, but it's true.
Frontal RCS of F117 is 0.003 m2
vs
0.005 m2 for the F-35.
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Bullshit, straight up. A jet made in the 90s, designed with a computer that has less power than a PlayStation 1, isn't more stealthy an f-35.
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I mean, it's classified and we likely wont know for sure for awhile, but all publicly available information cites similar figures.
0.0002-0.0001 m2 for the F-22
0.003 m2 for the F-117
0.005 m2 for the F-35
~0.0001 (similar/same as F-22) for the B-2 bomber
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>a jet made in the 90s >F-117A
Research and design began in the 70s, was a fast program with testers in the air not two years later, and planes were produced in the early 80s. >less power than a playstation 1
A typical IBM supplied mainframe of the mid 70s was roughly equivalent to a 33-50Mhz Pentium, multiples better than a PSX's paltry, application specific 33Mhz R3000
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Anon... the F117 is older than that. It was made with slide rulers. But to get its RCS so low it has those weird shapes and uber toxic 1st gen paint. F35 is better in pretty much every way but I wouldnt underestimate the weird geometry performing better in niche orientations--which was the original point of it.
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I assume this was meant for
Bullshit, straight up. A jet made in the 90s, designed with a computer that has less power than a PlayStation 1, isn't more stealthy an f-35.
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Yes, my bad thanks for the correction anon
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>But to get its RCS so low it has those weird shapes
False as frick. The angular surfaces on top are the result of a rather complex calculation in which the enemy radar signal is reflected away at a complimentary angle to which it arrived on the surface. In other words, the surface reflects the radar signal away from the radar instead of back towards it (which is what it needs to do). The enemy radar never sees the return signal. It’s gone elsewhere. The f-117 has the angular shapes because it was made on a computer that couldn't deal with more then 50 polygons, though. When we use more advanced computers, we get shapes like the f-22 and f-35.
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thats a lot of words to say that its RCS is so low because it has those weird shapes
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No, he still says the F-35 has a lower RCS despite posting no evidence that says otherwise.
see > When we use more advanced computers, we get shapes like the f-22 and f-35.
Despite all sources that claim the F-35 RCS is higher than the F-117, but clearly with more advanced computers we got the F-35 shape, so it HAS to be better RCS.
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>Despite all sources that claim the F-35 RCS is higher than the F-117, but clearly with more advanced computers we got the F-35 shape, so it HAS to be better RCS.
Or trade offs were made because optimizing for pure RCS results in a less capable plane overall
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Yeah no shit.
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There’s a quote by a USAF General that claims the F-35 has a lower RCS than the F-22 from certain aspects. All those RCS figures you posted are unofficial and useless.
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Now don't tell me that USAF general also just happened to be running or partially running the F-35 development/procurement program...
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>Yes, don’t listen to the Air Force, listen to completely unsourced arbitrary estimations
moron
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ahh yes, because a general said it is an AMAZING source for technical information.
He's a bureaucrat, not an engineer.
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>A General >"The F-35’s cross section is much smaller than the F-22’s, but that does not mean that the F-35 is necessarily superior to the F-22 when we go to war. In fact, Hostage says that it takes eight F-35s to do what two F-22s can handle." >t. General Mike Hostage, Commander, Air Combat Command >"I would say that General Hostage is accurate in his statement about the simple stealthiness of the F-35 [with regard] to other airplanes," Bogdan said. The statement was accurate for radar cross section, as measured in decibels, and range of detectability, he said, and he scoffed at the notion that anyone can tell how stealthy an aircraft is just by looking at it. >t. General Christopher Bogdan, Program XO, F-35 JPO >"hurrr da f-117 stealthy becus these numbers says so!" >t. You a moron
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I'm not following a goddamn General named "hostage."
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We if he was, he'd be the one to know.
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Lots of words are what convince people, it seems. Can't just say "I'm right" and expect to see many heads nodding in agreement. One needs to explain why their point is valid. I've explained that the f-117 shape is the result of limitations in computing power during its development, with the obvious implication being that later planes had an advantage in that regard. It's not just just in computer design, but in other technologies, like the efficacy of stealth paint.
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and yet the F-117 still has an RCS smaller than the F-35.
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No it doesn't. Radar waves are complex to model when trying to find out their interaction. As a radar guy, and an engineer guy told, interaction of radio wave can have a complex result.
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It's been a while since I read it but in skunk works I thought it was mentioned that they could only analyze 2d shapes, hence the geometry of the f-117
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Yep. By the B-2 they could do relatively simple 3D, for the F-22 they could model a conventional layout with stealth, but had to brute force maneuverability with thrust vectoring. With the F-35 they were able to simultaneously model complex airflows alongside stealth and get a frankly insane amount of control and maneuverability in the same airframe.
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>but had to brute force maneuverability with thrust vectoring
Anon that’s fricking moronic. By all accounts, the F-22 is a fantastic rate fighter. The TVC only affects post stall maneuvering.
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>The TVC only affects post stall maneuvering.
And the F-35 is basically impossible to put into an uncontrolled stall without TVC.
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>THE F117 has the angular shapes because it was made on a computer that couldn't deal with more than 50 polygons
top kek, if you really believe this please stop posting and please don't vote next election.
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#Trump2024
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He should be in Prison by then.
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Sure anon, you'll get him this time
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300 classified documents among records he had no legal right to hold on to is going to be hard to make go away.
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Any day now!
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There's actually a good chance of it here. >Durr luck hurr up!
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cope vatnig sympathizer
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2 more weeks
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go back to r/thedonald
we don't like mr. dementia but the orange man only sees being president as an opportunity to get rich, he doesn't actually care about the country.
He should be shot for giving Paul Manafort a pardon, who should have also been shot.
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More plausible than you think. Keep in mind the F-117 is an 80s plane and in the 80s computers looked like this.
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>rather complex calculation
Its not that complicated, the beam bounces off the surface at the same angle relative to the normal as it hit the surface.
So if the beam hits the surface at 45 degrees relative to the normal then it leaves the surface at 45 degrees relative to the normal.
Pretty much all you need to do is minimise the number of surfaces that are at or close to 90 degrees from the predicted directions of the radar emission, hence the shape
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Sweet, man. Can you write out this simple calculation for us?
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Sure
Angle of reflection = 90° - angle of incidence
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Bear in mind of course that the angle of incidence is calculated relative to the normal rather than the surface
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The angle of reflection would be 180 degrees, moron.
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Yeah, the complication comes from having to minimize RCS along as many different aspect angles while also letting the plane fly. Then there's also dealing with multi-bounce interactions without blowing out your computational capacity...
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>source: my ass
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Face it!
The F-117 is better shaped and has better shielded engines.
It's quite possible they're applying modern RAM to it too.
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Nah. It's shape is rather eh. The sharp angles will provide certain reflection, etc.
Engine is interesting. The shape of F135's nozzle(note: it's spiky) will help reduce both the RCS and IR.
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That and the nozzle's outer layer is liquid cooled to reduce its signature as well.
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>There is no real training benefit to be had from bombing goat herders
Sure there is, you have to get the plane all the way over to Afghanistan, bomb the goat herders and then get it all the way back.
Pilots aren't the only people who need training you know
They're MUCH quieter than the f-22 and f-35, and noticeably quieter than the B-2. They were retired because they weren't much more maneuverable than the b-2 and had worse thermal signature plus a tiny payload. If you could fix the thermal problem it would be far and away the stealthiest aircraft in the fleet despite the dumb shit other anons are spewing.
If you need to make a REALLY deep precision strike somewhere and you only need to drop a couple bombs, a thermally camouflaged f-117 is gonna be the best option no question.
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I'm not gonna spend the time to post videos of every other stealth aircraft in service but here's a video of a nighthawk low pass. They're literally only about as loud as a cessna in person.
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>loud as a cessna
Anon those are two F-18 engines with no afterburner capability. It is MUCH louder than a Cessna
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I don't care what engines they have, they're really fricking quiet. In the 90s and early 00s when they were doing the airshow circuit it was always kinda boring when they made low passes because they were basically silent. Cessna isnt that far off.
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You're so full of shit when you claim the f-117 is the stealthiest in terms of RCS. If anything it's main advantage would be that it has discount stealth. Not as good as the f-35, but much easier to maintain.
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>F-117 stealth coating >easier and cheaper
but that's wrong and you'd know that if you read the thread
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It's right and you'd know that if you were smart, like me.
>In August 2019, it was reported that no F-117s had been secretly deployed to the Middle East in 2016 >And that Anon was a homosexual for thinking a quote without source means anything.
Probably just done to ensure the pilots can do live bomb missions for practice or test new toys. May as well, the Taliban didnt have meaningful AA even when we showed up in 01.
Quantum radar also does not work for targeting nor can it detect stealth any better than long wave radar which already can see stealth at very useless resolutions.
>watch the final season of The Expanse, Rocinante's new armor looks breddy kewl >see this
STOP STOP STOP YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO MAKE SCIFI REAL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MIRV is short for Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle. Since that weapon was launched from orbit onto a planet, the independent vehicles are entering the atmosphere of the target for the first time and not reentering it after being launched from within it.
MIRV is short for Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle. Since that weapon was launched from orbit onto a planet, the independent vehicles are entering the atmosphere of the target for the first time and not reentering it after being launched from within it.
For like, years. People unironically bought into Sprey's bullshit until he was outed for being a fraud. Back in 2010 people shit on the 35 pretty consistently, but that changed in 2017-18 from what I saw.
others took up his shit-piss-and-vomit covered banner, to the point where they're still pissing and shitting themselves over the F-35 / anyone not sucking off the Su-57
The majority of the internet shit on the F-35 prior to like 2016, it was common to see the shit covered in those two bingo cards posted by ignorant morons with zero understanding of how difficult fighter development is
The actual majority wasn't shitting on it though, most were just cautiously watching it's development, the people actually shitting on it were more a small vocal minority.
Where's that gay who was talking shit weeks ago about stealth and RCS saying MUH ANGLES IS WUT MATTERS? Bet you feel real fricking dumb now that my coating argument is shining.
Fricking Black person.
Pretty sure with Syria they also did some incursions with the F-35 but it involved malware that the Israelis already had injected into their air defence radar systems and they basically just turned the system off when they flew into their airspace and turned it back on when they left.
the stovl variant is for use on helicopter carriers that are too short for arrested landings and catapult launches.
they still operate a normal catobar variant for use on real aircraft carriers
>I can't see how thats desirable over the catapult system
think about all of the US aligned nations that dont have carriers but can run helicopters off of a ship. They now have a gateway to 5th gen naval aviation.
SEX
SEEEEEX
UOOHHHHHHHHHHHH F-35 BELLY EROTIC!!!
>Chrome F-35
Muh dik
More importantly:
>they are bringing back chrome planes
if only we could get a chrome F-32
>inb4 autist AKSHUALLY ITS NOT CHROME
pre-emptively shut up nerd
I wanna cum on it
I love the gold angular gem at the nose too, really sets the whole thing off.
That's quartz, not gold.
Why it is so erotic? it remind me of tummy.
Looks like it's wearing body tape suit
tummy checks out
hnnnnghhhhhhhh
FORTNITE BATTLE PASS
I JUST SHIT
OUT MY ASS
S E X O
Neat. It looks like a dragon like that.
>black F-35
>amber israeliteel thingy
That's hot
Holy based analogy
>amber israeliteel thingy
sapphire
I desire to open the booba buckle
The under belly of an F-35 always reminds me of a nice set of abs on a sexy woman. rawr.
hnnngggggggg
S E X
Please don't put your dick in the warplane.
Whats opening right under the top wing? Looks like some access panels got loose or something? Kinda weird
Its the towed decoy
The one with the split doors is the flare dispenser. The other one is the dispenser for towed decoys.
stupid
1000 hours ms paint
>No! Don’t look at her, look at me! She can’t protect you like I can. prostitutes are temporary, air dominance is forever.
Just remove the woman and it will be perfect
loving the bad guy aesthetics here. like a mix of the empire and NOD.
Looks like it needs a power wash.
HOT
What’s it do though?
it shows that the pilot has unlocked enough levels on the season pass to equip it
Looks like it's made to confuse or dazzle any optical tracking systems with erratic light diffusion.
>be missile
>trying to figure out what to track
>certainly not the flying disco ball
I'm pretty sure "erratic light diffusion" would let a missile track it easier by having a wider range of wavelengths to follow.
That depends entirely on how the missile's tracking algorithm works. If it just beelined absolute intensity values you'd end up always going for flares.
>flying disco ball
It'd be more like a flying soft fuzzball that has lower intensity light patterns rather than a hard flat surface with a solid return which you can already see from the variations between the lighter and darker spots which would be especially confusing for missiles or IRST pods which would look for solid shapes.
According to /k/tards
>a new invisibility coating that will render it practically invisible to radar and reduce thermal emissions by 90%
Probable reality
>7% improvement to humidity resistance so it doesn't spoil so fast
Seething
Thats correct comrade, we all know that the SU-57 Philips head method is clearly superior!
Is on upper wing surface, so not effect stealth from ground radar.
Just because Russia is too fricking poor to keep their AWACS fleet in relevant order doesn't mean the rest of the world is.
-4% top speed
-7% radar detection speed
maximizes uglyness
your enemy recoils at the sight of this monstuosity
Slight drop to RCS, significant drop to maintenance costs? Tiling like that would make the stealth coating easier to replace.
If individual panels can be swapped fairly easily that would be of great help to the USN where the salt air environment chews up all manner of materials.
It certainly makes aluminum superstructures seem attractive.
lets the plane turn into a rattlesnake to hide
>sir something is overhead, it seems to be a bird
>no, a snake!?
+5 EVA
+10 ATK
-15 SPD
probably just experimenting with different RAM coatings. either to improve radar absorption or more likely to increase durability/reduce maintenance costs and workload.
if they can make cheap RAM that requires no maintenance, even if it's worse than the current standard F35/F22 coating it will be a major breakthrough and will enable them to put it on literally everything flying from hand launched army drones to helicopters,tomahawks,harpoons,JDAMs,MLRS,HAARM even javalin rockets.
Look sexy.
Two words baby:
Laser. Armor.
>most radar is around 10cm wave length
>2022
>meta materials
>triangular tiles
think a bit
blue means its a SFW board you heathen
Other various coatings spotted in the last 6 months or so as well.
This is not a mysterious coating this is aggressor paint scheme.
https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3059481/65th-aggressor-squadron-reactivates-at-nellis-afb-with-aggressor-force-of-f-35s/
This is the aggressor paint job youre referencing here
These are 100% a new kind of RAM
No, see:
I want to cum on this one too
F-22 also with the Diamondback RAM
That either looks ugly or badass and I can’t determine which one atm
Kino NMF is back on the menu, boys
Frick i’m gonna bust
This looks fricking badass, these are the kind of skins I hope to unlock in AC games instead of using the gay stock coats
>2012
how did they know?
I know, right? It's weird.
nah. it's just like the world of tanks nerds. Someone knew someone working on the project so they threw it in as a plausibly deniable easter egg. Shit happens all the time with military toys and games but nobody ever notices or cares.
It even has the same checked strip on the tail fins.
Changbros... We're in grave danger...
*changblos, we in glave danger...
*dangel
Last I heard, the speculation is that it's to reduce heat signature or otherwise confuse IR tracking systems. They've been testing it a LOT on mothballed f-117s too. There's some speculation that they're considering upgrading the f-117 fleet and putting it back into service, which would make sense considering it still has the smallest radar signature of any American aircraft, and its main issue was its IR signature.
>upgraded Nighthawks reenerting the fleet
stop anon I can only get so erect
This is now an alternate livery nighthawk thread
Love the Fallout livery
idk if you know the story but that's a real photo of an f-117 on a ferry flight to a museum with no RAM coating. The paint removal crew were allowed to graffiti it as a reward because the job was so laborious and hazardous.
Yeah, I know about the burn barrels, and the cancer. I don't have any more F-117 livery pics, so, have a Senior Prom instead.
These are really cool. I've never seen them before.
I wish they'd release development pics of more recent projects but it seems like after "area 51 fever" in the 90s they decided to stop publishing anything interesting to kill interest. I'm pretty sure all the cool shit gets tested out of Guam and Kwaji now too so there's no possibility of it being spotted.
>I wish they'd release development pics of more recent projects but it seems like after "area 51 fever" in the 90s they decided to stop publishing anything interesting to kill interest.
Doesn't help, either, that they pushed observers back, and built up dirt berms to where you can't see in anymore. RQ-180 is about the only new system they're bringing into the gray world. Still a lot of stuff from the 80s-90s still not being seen, nor talked about in much detail.
It seems a lot gets tested at white sands and at night time now.
Breaking news comrades!
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this is the most badass thing I've seen in a long time
What would we do with them, sell them to countries that dont qualify for f35? Station them temporarily in europe while f35 orders are filled? Air national guard stealth fighters?
If the f117 is the stealthiest thing we have why on earth were they retired in the first place? Surely they'd always have a place in an air campaign as a decapitation/DEAD tool
>If the f117 is the stealthiest thing we have why on earth were they retired in the first place?
They aren't, really. They're also old stealth tech which relied on extremely toxic RAM coatings instead of materials to fully be stealth. Not only that, but they had no radar, and couldn't use their RWR system when close to their target, or SAM systems, as it had to pop out from the body, and would ruin the stealth characteristics enough to get a lock. Furthermore, it had to have either SOF team, or companion running laser designation for it to drop its load. Add into that it didn't maneuver well, and was sub-sonic with the aerodynamics of a brick.
I wonder where in this chart must be the stealth helo used in the OBL raid
Maybe 0.01 at best. I don't think the huge chopping rotor that changes pitch, and the tail rotor at too stealthy.
The big radars you see with high end sam systems don't work with helicopters because they fly close to the ground. Helicopter stealth is more about the noise and the exhaust heat reduction for the ir lock.
I think I remember reading that the biggest stealth aspects of those sorts of helicopters was reduced noise. Obviously they tried to reduce any detection they could, but they managed to reduce the noise by a LOT without sacrificing too much performance for those sorts of missions. I don't recall if what I read mentioned by how much, but apparently here's some that only go to 4 decibels.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/silent-rotor-blades-could-lead-to-true-stealth-helicopters/
Im surprised the F/A-18 is that low too.
How is the Super Bug only 1 sq m RCS? Was it incidentally that it has low observability or did Boeing actually design them that way?
The US was playing with RCS reducing curves and shapes way back, they just didnt spec hard into it until they had the RAM and predictive geometry math to go with it
Super hornet, unlike the old hornet, is actually a fairly new and recent jet. It was designed in the 90s and became operational in the early 2000s. It's no wonder US did adjustments to what's basically a design contemporary to F-22.
In fact, among all current 4.5th gens super hornet is probably the one with the most rcs reducing features, for example the angled tail stabilizers and upward facing radar dish, among others. With block III its stealthiness has been taken even further, as well as having a stealth weapons pod developed for it. Its rcs is quoted to range from 0.1-1m2. The only 2 designs that may be comparable in terms of rcs would be KF-21 and Su-57, if you trust their own patents and believe that they can actually make the aircraft to spec(which they likely won't, seeing how crooked the weapons bay doors look).
>block III
I wish they would have added the conformal fuel tanks, too. Range is the only thing it's lacking.
I hope the superhornet has a longer lifespan, it (rather the hornet in general) is my favorite plane
I have a love hate relationship with it. On the one hand I love the F-5 and light jet fighters in general, they're just neat. The YF-17 and F-18 fall into that niche. But as a leaf, the fact we're still flying OG CF-18s is a national tragedy.
>less signature than an insect
is this baiterino?
It isn't.
They really do have a radar cross-section smaller than a beetle or similar medium-sized bugs.
Obviously, a fruit fly or some shit is gonna be smaller.
No, an Owlet moth has an RCS of ~0.0003m^2, when illuminating with 9.4 GHz X-band. The F-35's composite skin, and Carbon Nano Tube fiber mat RAM are excellent at absorbing a wide range of frequencies that would be illuminating it.
>The F-35 also has excellent RAM bonded to the composite panels, making it extremely difficult to detect - if not impossible.
>The composite absorbs radar in a frequency range from about 0.10 Megahertz to about 60 Gigahertz. The CNT-infused fiber material forms a first layer that reduces radar reflectance and a second layer that dissipates the energy of the radar.
>Radar absorbing composite materials of the present invention are particularly effective, for example, in the L- through K-band as described herein further below.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20100271253
https://www.ineffableisland.com/2010/06/lockheed-martin-discloses-carbon.html
https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=197759
https://www.key.aero/forum/modern-military-aviation/136859-advanced-in-ram-make-low-frequency-radar-much-less-effective-in-future
https://theaviationist.com/2020/07/05/new-and-old-f-35-coatings-compared-in-recent-photo-of-two-italian-lightning-ii-jets/
https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=53014
>No radar
What's that opening on the nose then?
>it still has the smallest radar signature of any American aircraft
The F-117 was long superseded by stealthier aircraft, old man.
Maybe by subsequent upgrades to the B-2/21, but the F117A has/had a smaller RCS than both F22 and F35
No the frick it does not.
F-117 RCS is quoted at 0.003m2
F-22 RCS is quoted(estimate) at 0.0001m2
F-35 RCS is quoted at 0.005m2
So F-35 and F-117 are nearly identical, and the F-22 is a good bit stealthier than either one.
Why not just look it up instead of looking moronic?
> According to November 2005 reports, the US Air Force states that theF-22has the lowest RCS of any manned aircraft in the USAF inventory, with a frontal RCS of 0.0001~0.0002 sqm, marble sized in frontal aspect.
what aspect, what frequency
oh you don't know?
damn sounds like you don't know much
I thought the current f117s were being used as aggressor planes to simulate Chinese stealth fighters
Pure sex.
Seeing these two contrasted like this is... Interesting to say the least
Here, I ripped them for you
Thanks. It's an F-35C, for anyone who didn't know. Now, if we had better pics of the Scaled Composite Model 401 with the panels.
And I thought some of the skins in Ace Combat were a bit garish.
Shut your prostitute mouth.
Yep, the thought process at the end of WWII was that American air dominance was so total that trying to hide aircraft was pretty much pointless, so why not strip some weight and cost by foregoing the paint? This mentality carried on over to Korea and ended sometime in the 60s.
These coatings look sexy as frick
Are there any stealth coating or anything that can be used against IRIS-T?
These panels are thought to be that. How good? Who knows, really.
>or anything
the future of air combat is point defense lasers
Impressive.
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>marked the decline of the authoritarian east
to decline you need to be at the top atleast once
No you don’t, dumb ESL.
Drag kids reality TV shows and pregnant men.
All first world problems that come from having it too good kek.
Merely a coat of shit that can be scrubbed away.China,Russia,India and the Islamic world have greater problems,because the rot is closer to the core.
You were so close. So near.
and you'll learn to love it b***h
2 out of those three things dont bother me but reality TV is a fricking plague on mankind and needs to be purged
I can't get over how sexy the f35 is. This diamond back thing is like it wearing lingerie inspired by deus ex HR/MD
that is one sexy b***h
I want to come on its pumped tires
That's radar reflective coating you moron. It purposely makes the F-35 more visible for training purposes.
no thats moronic, that shit takes days to put on the plane.
there's a purpose made solution for when you need to radar track your planes that the manufacturers of f35 and f22 included and it's attachment points for reflectors that you can put on in a couple of minutes
First the F22 silver coating, then the A10 gets black coating, now this, paint coating is the new meta
Admit it, you're making really ugly shit just to see if China will take the bait and try to copy it.
>t. tasteless moron
go admire feces on a canvas or whatever passes for modern """art""" these days
Return 2 shiny planes
I want this for my car. I know therer are Chinese RAM coatings you can buy but they cost a lot and they wear off after a trip.
I wonder if this is actually a new coating, or if they just haven't applied to RAM topcoat yet. The F35 RAM is (at least) two parts: the undercoat that is baked into the composite body panels, and the topcoat (the darker more matte black coating you're used to seeing). I wonder if we're seeing the planes going through testing/check out without the topcoat applied. I could be way wrong, it's just a question I have.
They aren't going to fly the planes around halft finished like that. Exposure to the elements during flight is not conducive to having a nice base for putting the stealth paint on.
This is totally something experimental. They're testing different coatings against radar and IRST sensors. Emphasis on the IRST sensors.
Two decades of bad choices and playing in the sand. Bad acquisition, bad execution, bad strategy that was making gaps over other nations close.
Now back to improving planes, new ships that will get jobs done, new rifles that defeat armor, and new packages for tanks & other armor. Making peer warfare impossible because there is no peer. Where did it all go so right, Ameribros?
I think stopping the money hemorrhage into Afghanistan was a good decision.
Oh, absolutely. Pulling out was the best thing Biden ever did, even if the pull out was sketchy.
And then they ruined it by trying to blame it on Trump.
I mean, it followed the plan trump set forth and agreed to. So it's not entirely wrong, but as biden was the one in control at the time (and had been for months), clearly it was still biden's pull out and the shitshow that it was certainly wasn't wholly trump's responsibility by that point..
>it followed the plan trump set forth and agreed to
Biden postponed the original date, which made the Taliban angry and then the shitshow happened
Except it didn't? The withdrawal was conditional and none of the conditions were met, plus Biden wanted to postpone it to 9/11 for publicity bullshit.
>Where did it all go so right, Ameribros?
Dark Brandon
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
Is this the big titty goth gf version of the F-35?
F-117 was also spotted chromed out, despite not officially being in service for almost 15 years.
Should really be called diamond pattern
F-117 serves as an approximation for enemy stealth jets in training. To be honest I think it's probably still more stealthy than an SU-57.
>To be honest I think it's probably still more stealthy than an SU-57.
Suhoi former director Pogosyan said that Su-57 RCS is about 1m2... He has patent for such """"stealth"""" fighter...
i think it has a slightly smaller rcs than the F35 too, supposedly like 0.002m smaller
Have they fricked with the F-117s internals at all, new hardware or overlaid a new layer or something, I seem to recall one of the reasons they stopped flying it was because of how finicky they were
They never stopped flying them.
They claimed they were retired from combat service, but even that is doubtful as there are reports of them being used for strike missions in the middle east as late as 2016, 8 years after their supposed retirement.
Besides that we know they fly adversarial training roles as well as likely being used for on-going development work like the chrome we see here (likely infrared camo).
The F-117 hasn't stopped flying.
There's no way we would still be using the nighthawk for active combat. It only has a bomb bay with space for 2 bombs.
Well if you're sure anon I guess you're right.
> In March 2019, it was reported that four F-117s had been secretly deployed to the Middle East in 2016 and that one had to make an emergency landing at Ali Al Salem (OKAS), Kuwait sometime late that year
Not him, but any idea why they would deploy those? I wonder what mission profile would require an F117 instead of a B2.
My guess
Literally just live training or live fire exercise. Sometimes the flight crews gotta get the dust brushed off, especially in a pseudo retired plane spending most of its time doing aggressor type work or being a r&d test bed
Do you not realise how easy it would be to do live fire exercises on US soil? There is no real training benefit to be had from bombing goat herders over targets in curated training missions.
Im not saying it makes a ton of sense to me, thats just my best guess if its true--that they wanted to keep pilot deployment experience up for whatever reason, or they were outfitted with some sort of experimental pod or whatever.
B-2s are expensive as frick and the F-117 RCS is smaller than the F-35.
If you want to fly into some middle east shit stain country with piss poor (if any) air defense radar, the F-117 can get in and out without being seen easier than the F-35 could.
Obviously, B-2 can do it too, but there are a very limited number of those and they likely cost a lot more to operate.
>the F-117 RCS is smaller than the F-35.
Not by much, but it's true.
Frontal RCS of F117 is 0.003 m2
vs
0.005 m2 for the F-35.
Bullshit, straight up. A jet made in the 90s, designed with a computer that has less power than a PlayStation 1, isn't more stealthy an f-35.
I mean, it's classified and we likely wont know for sure for awhile, but all publicly available information cites similar figures.
0.0002-0.0001 m2 for the F-22
0.003 m2 for the F-117
0.005 m2 for the F-35
~0.0001 (similar/same as F-22) for the B-2 bomber
>a jet made in the 90s
>F-117A
Research and design began in the 70s, was a fast program with testers in the air not two years later, and planes were produced in the early 80s.
>less power than a playstation 1
A typical IBM supplied mainframe of the mid 70s was roughly equivalent to a 33-50Mhz Pentium, multiples better than a PSX's paltry, application specific 33Mhz R3000
Anon... the F117 is older than that. It was made with slide rulers. But to get its RCS so low it has those weird shapes and uber toxic 1st gen paint. F35 is better in pretty much every way but I wouldnt underestimate the weird geometry performing better in niche orientations--which was the original point of it.
I assume this was meant for
Yes, my bad thanks for the correction anon
>But to get its RCS so low it has those weird shapes
False as frick. The angular surfaces on top are the result of a rather complex calculation in which the enemy radar signal is reflected away at a complimentary angle to which it arrived on the surface. In other words, the surface reflects the radar signal away from the radar instead of back towards it (which is what it needs to do). The enemy radar never sees the return signal. It’s gone elsewhere. The f-117 has the angular shapes because it was made on a computer that couldn't deal with more then 50 polygons, though. When we use more advanced computers, we get shapes like the f-22 and f-35.
thats a lot of words to say that its RCS is so low because it has those weird shapes
No, he still says the F-35 has a lower RCS despite posting no evidence that says otherwise.
see
> When we use more advanced computers, we get shapes like the f-22 and f-35.
Despite all sources that claim the F-35 RCS is higher than the F-117, but clearly with more advanced computers we got the F-35 shape, so it HAS to be better RCS.
>Despite all sources that claim the F-35 RCS is higher than the F-117, but clearly with more advanced computers we got the F-35 shape, so it HAS to be better RCS.
Or trade offs were made because optimizing for pure RCS results in a less capable plane overall
Yeah no shit.
There’s a quote by a USAF General that claims the F-35 has a lower RCS than the F-22 from certain aspects. All those RCS figures you posted are unofficial and useless.
Now don't tell me that USAF general also just happened to be running or partially running the F-35 development/procurement program...
>Yes, don’t listen to the Air Force, listen to completely unsourced arbitrary estimations
moron
ahh yes, because a general said it is an AMAZING source for technical information.
He's a bureaucrat, not an engineer.
>A General
>"The F-35’s cross section is much smaller than the F-22’s, but that does not mean that the F-35 is necessarily superior to the F-22 when we go to war. In fact, Hostage says that it takes eight F-35s to do what two F-22s can handle."
>t. General Mike Hostage, Commander, Air Combat Command
>"I would say that General Hostage is accurate in his statement about the simple stealthiness of the F-35 [with regard] to other airplanes," Bogdan said. The statement was accurate for radar cross section, as measured in decibels, and range of detectability, he said, and he scoffed at the notion that anyone can tell how stealthy an aircraft is just by looking at it.
>t. General Christopher Bogdan, Program XO, F-35 JPO
>"hurrr da f-117 stealthy becus these numbers says so!"
>t. You a moron
I'm not following a goddamn General named "hostage."
We if he was, he'd be the one to know.
Lots of words are what convince people, it seems. Can't just say "I'm right" and expect to see many heads nodding in agreement. One needs to explain why their point is valid. I've explained that the f-117 shape is the result of limitations in computing power during its development, with the obvious implication being that later planes had an advantage in that regard. It's not just just in computer design, but in other technologies, like the efficacy of stealth paint.
and yet the F-117 still has an RCS smaller than the F-35.
No it doesn't. Radar waves are complex to model when trying to find out their interaction. As a radar guy, and an engineer guy told, interaction of radio wave can have a complex result.
It's been a while since I read it but in skunk works I thought it was mentioned that they could only analyze 2d shapes, hence the geometry of the f-117
Yep. By the B-2 they could do relatively simple 3D, for the F-22 they could model a conventional layout with stealth, but had to brute force maneuverability with thrust vectoring. With the F-35 they were able to simultaneously model complex airflows alongside stealth and get a frankly insane amount of control and maneuverability in the same airframe.
>but had to brute force maneuverability with thrust vectoring
Anon that’s fricking moronic. By all accounts, the F-22 is a fantastic rate fighter. The TVC only affects post stall maneuvering.
>The TVC only affects post stall maneuvering.
And the F-35 is basically impossible to put into an uncontrolled stall without TVC.
>THE F117 has the angular shapes because it was made on a computer that couldn't deal with more than 50 polygons
top kek, if you really believe this please stop posting and please don't vote next election.
#Trump2024
He should be in Prison by then.
Sure anon, you'll get him this time
300 classified documents among records he had no legal right to hold on to is going to be hard to make go away.
Any day now!
There's actually a good chance of it here.
>Durr luck hurr up!
cope vatnig sympathizer
2 more weeks
go back to r/thedonald
we don't like mr. dementia but the orange man only sees being president as an opportunity to get rich, he doesn't actually care about the country.
He should be shot for giving Paul Manafort a pardon, who should have also been shot.
More plausible than you think. Keep in mind the F-117 is an 80s plane and in the 80s computers looked like this.
>rather complex calculation
Its not that complicated, the beam bounces off the surface at the same angle relative to the normal as it hit the surface.
So if the beam hits the surface at 45 degrees relative to the normal then it leaves the surface at 45 degrees relative to the normal.
Pretty much all you need to do is minimise the number of surfaces that are at or close to 90 degrees from the predicted directions of the radar emission, hence the shape
Sweet, man. Can you write out this simple calculation for us?
Sure
Angle of reflection = 90° - angle of incidence
Bear in mind of course that the angle of incidence is calculated relative to the normal rather than the surface
The angle of reflection would be 180 degrees, moron.
Yeah, the complication comes from having to minimize RCS along as many different aspect angles while also letting the plane fly. Then there's also dealing with multi-bounce interactions without blowing out your computational capacity...
>source: my ass
Face it!
The F-117 is better shaped and has better shielded engines.
It's quite possible they're applying modern RAM to it too.
Nah. It's shape is rather eh. The sharp angles will provide certain reflection, etc.
Engine is interesting. The shape of F135's nozzle(note: it's spiky) will help reduce both the RCS and IR.
That and the nozzle's outer layer is liquid cooled to reduce its signature as well.
>There is no real training benefit to be had from bombing goat herders
Sure there is, you have to get the plane all the way over to Afghanistan, bomb the goat herders and then get it all the way back.
Pilots aren't the only people who need training you know
They're MUCH quieter than the f-22 and f-35, and noticeably quieter than the B-2. They were retired because they weren't much more maneuverable than the b-2 and had worse thermal signature plus a tiny payload. If you could fix the thermal problem it would be far and away the stealthiest aircraft in the fleet despite the dumb shit other anons are spewing.
If you need to make a REALLY deep precision strike somewhere and you only need to drop a couple bombs, a thermally camouflaged f-117 is gonna be the best option no question.
I'm not gonna spend the time to post videos of every other stealth aircraft in service but here's a video of a nighthawk low pass. They're literally only about as loud as a cessna in person.
>loud as a cessna
Anon those are two F-18 engines with no afterburner capability. It is MUCH louder than a Cessna
I don't care what engines they have, they're really fricking quiet. In the 90s and early 00s when they were doing the airshow circuit it was always kinda boring when they made low passes because they were basically silent. Cessna isnt that far off.
You're so full of shit when you claim the f-117 is the stealthiest in terms of RCS. If anything it's main advantage would be that it has discount stealth. Not as good as the f-35, but much easier to maintain.
>F-117 stealth coating
>easier and cheaper
but that's wrong and you'd know that if you read the thread
It's right and you'd know that if you were smart, like me.
You'd be wrong to believe that
>In August 2019, it was reported that no F-117s had been secretly deployed to the Middle East in 2016
>And that Anon was a homosexual for thinking a quote without source means anything.
Probably just done to ensure the pilots can do live bomb missions for practice or test new toys. May as well, the Taliban didnt have meaningful AA even when we showed up in 01.
ahh that's neat. I always like seeing 'old' kit continue on
We've made upgrades to its software and upgraded the computer hardware with solid state drives and better chips.
a billion dollar aircraft and you apes put fricking platter drives in it
If you want to know something funny the AWACS plane computers ran on big frickoff floppy disks
Somehow I see this being more resilient to g forces vs a metal disk acting as a 7,000 rpm gyro
It's not even that, it's just that it's old af
It's just a wrap.
Rip 12C
Quantum radar makes it all worthless.
Quantum radar also does not work for targeting nor can it detect stealth any better than long wave radar which already can see stealth at very useless resolutions.
Quantum radar works against jamming...in theory. In practice, it doesn't work since setting up quantum entanglements for every photon is impractical.
do you like that kind of look, anon?
>xe
the absolute state
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It's a bot auto responding to the thread. We're getting spammed pretty hard today.
It's like a finely cut gemstone
itt: anons getting unreasonably upset at each other over RCS estimates that can never be made public anyways
it does give me a laugh
Diamondback makes planes now? Great, I love my diamondback AR.
Anyone who genuinely believes the F117 has a lower RCS than the 35 needs to kts.
The f-22 is a much older aircraft made with older construction techniques, hence the obvious rivets / bolts.
The Su-57 uses traditional construction techniques upgraded only as much as Su could manage given their budget.
>watch the final season of The Expanse, Rocinante's new armor looks breddy kewl
>see this
STOP STOP STOP YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO MAKE SCIFI REAL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO MAKE SCIFI REAL
this picture isn't cgi
Dolphin with sunglasses
Wouldn't that be MIEV since it's the first time their entering that atmosphere?
What.
MIRV is short for Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle. Since that weapon was launched from orbit onto a planet, the independent vehicles are entering the atmosphere of the target for the first time and not reentering it after being launched from within it.
I see. Thank you for clarifying.
>Stealth Coating
>Spotted Anyways
NGMI
So is this board pro-F35 now?
Pro-results. There's a point where skepticism turns into contrarianism anon, don't fall into that trap.
When was it anti-F35?
For like, years. People unironically bought into Sprey's bullshit until he was outed for being a fraud. Back in 2010 people shit on the 35 pretty consistently, but that changed in 2017-18 from what I saw.
General opinion amongst the non-moronic shifted around 2013-2014, that was back when Dragon029 was stunting on homies in F-35 threads.
t. made this image in 2014
>For like, years.
that was Armatard, but he legitimately broke after the SU-57 crash
others took up his shit-piss-and-vomit covered banner, to the point where they're still pissing and shitting themselves over the F-35 / anyone not sucking off the Su-57
The majority of the internet shit on the F-35 prior to like 2016, it was common to see the shit covered in those two bingo cards posted by ignorant morons with zero understanding of how difficult fighter development is
The actual majority wasn't shitting on it though, most were just cautiously watching it's development, the people actually shitting on it were more a small vocal minority.
Century fighters are back, gents. Fire up the cigars and sliderules.
>waiting to see an F-15 clad in this
Disco never died baby
Where's that gay who was talking shit weeks ago about stealth and RCS saying MUH ANGLES IS WUT MATTERS? Bet you feel real fricking dumb now that my coating argument is shining.
Fricking Black person.
The F-35I apparently made it into Iranian airspace more than once. What are they coating the israeli versions with?
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/iriaf-commander-reportedly-fired-after-he-kept-secret-that-israeli-f-35-stealth-fighters-had-violated-iran-airspace/amp/
Pretty sure with Syria they also did some incursions with the F-35 but it involved malware that the Israelis already had injected into their air defence radar systems and they basically just turned the system off when they flew into their airspace and turned it back on when they left.
Iran is as much as an adversary the United States and its beta orbiters as Tonga lol
>What are they coating the israeli versions with?
Yeah
wow do I actually like the F-35 now?
I can't see how thats desirable over the catapult system
Its so tedious and looks sketchy, the other way you just slam into the deck or you dont
the stovl variant is for use on helicopter carriers that are too short for arrested landings and catapult launches.
they still operate a normal catobar variant for use on real aircraft carriers
>I can't see how thats desirable over the catapult system
think about all of the US aligned nations that dont have carriers but can run helicopters off of a ship. They now have a gateway to 5th gen naval aviation.
hi japan :3
>tfw your pic related is overmatch than my entire supposedly first world country's airforce
>you just slam into the deck or you dont
very, dare I say, slavic mindset
You know, the last thing I expected Human Revolution to guess correctly was the aesthetics.