That's what I was thinking. Reporting From Ukraine just dropped another video saying how the Russians blew the dam to flood areas north of it. I don't understand how that works.
Whoops, looks like you got mixed up in your shitposting and attributed your own position to the guy you're arguing with. It happens, especially if you have multiple threads open where you shitpost as opposite sides
Anyone else notice how quickly the whole narrative went from "Will will liberate our beloved Ukrainian brothers" to "We will annihilate their country and ecosystem and liquidate their evil population?"
As a Finn we have always wanted this but have never been able to express ourselves without condemnation as we lost the last war. My late grandmother told me that "ryssä" is not a human being but an enemy. I always understood her but now more than ever. I hope Russia is broken into multiple states and subjugated into never forming a threat to anyone anymore.
Russians are just animals masquerading as human. All of their achievements have either been through being terrible to literally everyone or stealing from other countries. Everything that made the USSR a threat came out of the Ukrainian SSR, not the Russian one. The reward for this? Holodomor.
As a Finn my grandfather who had to leave Karelia as a kid used to visit Russia a lot and made friends there
I think if he had survived long enough to see this war he would've been completely heartbroken
As another Finn, we have some Russian friends living in Finland. A very goody-two-shoes couple, like a manifestation of Flanders family from Simpsons. It was quite interesting how their relations with their relatives living within Russian borders completely broke down for good.
Propaganda is VERY effective, no matter how stupid it can sometimes be.
As a Finn my grandfather who had to leave Karelia as a kid used to visit Russia a lot and made friends there
I think if he had survived long enough to see this war he would've been completely heartbroken
As a Finn my grandfather who had to leave Karelia as a kid used to visit Russia a lot and made friends there
I think if he had survived long enough to see this war he would've been completely heartbroken
There's two types of people in Europe - those who hate Russia and those who don't know their history.
Who said Ukraine destroyed this bridge? It's so far behind lines it doesn't really provide any benefit to them and it's against their interest to destroy infrastructure they intend to reclaim. The more likely explanation is that the Russians are just doing their normal scorched earth shit while at the same time putting obstacles in the AFU's way in the form of flood fields.
He meant dam near Kyiv, they blow it at the beginning
>Russia breaks dam
War crime! No advantage for them, literal morons! >Ukraine breaks dam
Smart move! Ukies are so based
Why
Nova kakhovka dam and that Kyiv dam is not the same
[...]
So you want to say they hide in every kindergarten?
Bombing kindergarten in 10 km from frontline is not same as bombing kindergarten in 100km from frontline
One is massive in scale, causing massive ecological damage, the other really only raises the water level slightly above the normal level, probably not even overspilling the banks.
The difference is in scale, this style of small breach has happened at least 6 times so far in Ukraine, but also we have no idea who did it.
breaks dam >War crime! No advantage for them, literal morons!
breaks dam >Smart move! Ukies are so based >Why
Because it's Ukrainian property and they're the big underdog side defending themselves against thieving raping mass murderer butthole invaders. If they make the call to sacrifice some more of their own infrastructure in their own country that they will have to rebuild and suffer from after as a least-bad tactical choice, and work hard to mitigate any consequences (evac'ing civilians, trying to weigh harms), then yes that is good.
Meanwhile when Russia does it from pure spite and scorched earth and then launches artillery strikes at stricken civilians afterwards, that is indeed bad. You fricking piece of shit.
>Because it's Ukrainian property and they're the big underdog
Under dog? ukraine has more men in ukraine than Russia by a mile, and has recieved more money $$$$ in one single year than the entire Russian defense budget
probably time to take the crack needle out of your ass
>from bragging about second strongest army in the world and infinite soviet reserves of tanks/arty/shells and huge population to draft from (Ukraine pop: 36million, Russian pop: 147 million) and crushing Ukraine in days and being able to get to Berlin in weeks to whining about how big meanies are oppressing them
Errytime. The complete and absolute state of vatniks and /misc/nig monke lickers. I wish death upon every last one of you.
>has recieved more money $$$$ in one single year than the entire Russian defense budget
Russia didn't build their army from scratch with the 2022 defence budget
If Russia is the underdog and the weaker, then shouldn't they, you know, leave Ukraine and seek peace instead of being beaten by the larger, richer and more powerful Ukraine then?
Well I think hohols should be targeted. Oh right, that's already happening. Even fleeing people are now targets, no mercy for those who side with nazis. Never again. :*~~
you know this is the second time russia commits ecocide in Ukraine and there are already consequences from the first attack
the black sea is already changing because of the heavy influx of fresh water
and just fyi, this will have global effects, not just regional
apparently this is not enough for the un and greta thunderdome to say shit about it
could it be that these subhumans are on a payroll?
the only thing this exploited autistic child said is that it is noted
there were autistic outburst for much much minor shit
the UN is a useless bureacratic hurdle on the path to nuking russia. this much has been established
this has been clear for a long time, the question is, why do we have to pretend the concerned button pushers are worth anything?
Isn't the black sea already almost fresh water?
the black sea is a sea, it is salt water and not comparable to fresh water
besides that, there are alot of toxins pouring into the black sea contaminating it
this will further spread in the waters in and around europe and most likely into the oceans
the Black Sea is... weird. one of the most stagnant bodies of water on the planet past a certain depth, highly anoxic below the pycnocline, and meromictic, meaning it doesn't cycle material seasonally like most bodies of water and the pycnocline remains year-round (and has likely remained that way for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years in the Black Sea). even at its saltiest in the deep, stagnant areas, it's still below ocean salinity, and i'm not sure why.
then again AFAIK we're still not totally sure why the oceans aren't just big Dead Seas in salinity - there's easily enough salt on the planet for it.
>then again AFAIK we're still not totally sure why the oceans aren't just big Dead Seas in salinity - there's easily enough salt on the planet for it.
There are definitely a couple of known sinks though, some more complex but some really simple. A simple one would be just the effect of spray. Ocean water gets sprayed on land, not evaporated leaving the salt in the water but just heavy wind driven spray, and that then evaps on land which takes out salt. Salt concentration also isn't perfectly even, in the right circumstances an area of ocean can become super saturated, causing salt to fall out into muddy sediment which then ultimately becomes part of rock. Exposed magma in oceaning rifts and vents will also react with salt ions. Finally is biological life itself, organisms use salt, when they die the fall to the bottom if not eaten and that adds up.
I don't know if anyone has done exact math or even if we really can yet, hard to measure at this kind of scale, but there are definitely significant known sinks. Clearly end of the day the rates balance pretty closely.
the Black Sea is... weird. one of the most stagnant bodies of water on the planet past a certain depth, highly anoxic below the pycnocline, and meromictic, meaning it doesn't cycle material seasonally like most bodies of water and the pycnocline remains year-round (and has likely remained that way for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years in the Black Sea). even at its saltiest in the deep, stagnant areas, it's still below ocean salinity, and i'm not sure why.
then again AFAIK we're still not totally sure why the oceans aren't just big Dead Seas in salinity - there's easily enough salt on the planet for it.
Short story
Crimea's water supply is almost all supplied by the Crimea Canal which takes water out of a river system and kicks it to Crimea via canals
The dam being blown up means Ukrainians decided to drain the entire Crimea canal systems at the spot they now control on the river to canal junction.
Crimea's water table will crash and it will quickly turn into toxic dust storm there as desertification kicks in. It's been running out of water for almost 3 days and Russians aren't seeing it.
>apparently this is not enough for the un and greta thunderdome to say shit about it
i don't know about greta thunderdome but the UN have said shit about it though, they've even met with ukrainian officials to coordinate and deal with the dam's destruction since the day of, surprisingly. however, they have to hold back on an actual full on field response because the russians are explicitly keeping them from accessing a large swathe of the disaster area in general with no assurances they won't just shoot the humanitarian workers trying to deal with the devastation (and the ukrainian military has warned them they have to clear out the unexploded landmines from the initial disaster)
i dont know if any response has been formulated about this incident tho
If he's talking about the environment he's right but not, like, majorly. It's true that any significant changes to a body of water as big as the black sea will probably have some butterfly weather effects, but tracing them back would be near impossible. It'll definitely have regional effects for everyone dependent on it.
If he's thinking more in human terms that's easier, Ukraine has been a huge bread basket, and having that all fricked up for years will indeed have (and has had) global effects on the world food market, particularly for poorer countries. Which in turn may ultimately have some other effects down the road, starving people have a higher tendency to flee or fight.
Of course since the countries most affected often are "staying neutral" or contributing nothing not a lot of sympathy in that case.
>north korea and south korea, they're the same except one is a bigger shit hole than the other.
And can you tell us why one is a bigger shit hole than the other? Hmmmmmm...
The Ukrainians need to send the rightful Kievan Rus heir with the Pisky orb to call upon the dead to fight for him in exchange for being released from the bonds that hold them to this world. It would be spooky, but kino.
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>American volunteer MANPADs a BMP >dozens killed >looks smuggly at Polish volunteer >"That still only counts as one!"
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That's some nice fricking shot, taking out a ground vehicle with an anti-air weapon.
>Didn't Poland say that they'd intervene if it was blown up?
Maybe, don't remember, but afaik NATO itself hasn't drawn any red lines except nuclear weapons, and not clear that Russia wouldn't think (with some reason) they could get away with it and nobody would REALLY intervene regardless of what was said. They might even see that as another reason to do it, to poke NATO/Poland in the eye and either drag them in (all while thinking they can just hide back in Russia whenever they want and then NOOOOK anyone who tries to invade) or make them look weak and divide them. I mean, blowing up the dam was already an absolute literal, textual warcrime per the geneva convention. Unironic strategic weapon levels of destruction, and we're not really doing anything in particular extra in response. Maybe ATACMS, eventually or something (and way too late).
Of course this is all also ascribing actual forethought and calculation to the vatnik mind. They might just do it because they're animals and then point fingers every which way and say it was rando local soldiers. They'd 100% claim it was Ukraine first too.
I don't get the feeling that will do much downstream
it's a blocking dam breach. it will prevent the mobiks from retreating.
That's what I was thinking. Reporting From Ukraine just dropped another video saying how the Russians blew the dam to flood areas north of it. I don't understand how that works.
Somehow the ukies sent a raiding team in to do it
Thats fricking far
yellow river strategy
>I love when shit explodes in Ukraine who cares who does it
god i wish russia didn't have nukes so the rest of the world could genocide them
the only difference between russia and ukraine is a line on a map. They're both slavs as shown by how terrible either of them are at waging war
Ah yes
>le both sides
have a nice day pidor
all the smart space age shit that the USSR came up with came from ukraine. I think they are a cut above the rest of russia.
>noooo the raping mongol invaders are just like the ones defending themselves
wow I never thought of it that way, thank you david from chicago oblast
No it tama from the new zealand oblast you fricking vatBlack person apologist
I think you are confused
Whoops, looks like you got mixed up in your shitposting and attributed your own position to the guy you're arguing with. It happens, especially if you have multiple threads open where you shitpost as opposite sides
>tfw you have so many threads open you forget which position you're pretending to take in each one
sure but 90% of the annoyance comes from russia.
Da Comrade John Idaho, I am Jack Cowboy from Kansas Oblast and I agree, Hohol pigs are just like Russians, we are same people.
I'm in favour of launching anyways. A world where russia exists isn't a world worth living in. Let's annihilate them.
an alternative solution instead of world genocide would be to have a nice day
Do the Russian nukes even work?
Anyone else notice how quickly the whole narrative went from "Will will liberate our beloved Ukrainian brothers" to "We will annihilate their country and ecosystem and liquidate their evil population?"
As a Finn we have always wanted this but have never been able to express ourselves without condemnation as we lost the last war. My late grandmother told me that "ryssä" is not a human being but an enemy. I always understood her but now more than ever. I hope Russia is broken into multiple states and subjugated into never forming a threat to anyone anymore.
I think you are too lenient.
Russians are just animals masquerading as human. All of their achievements have either been through being terrible to literally everyone or stealing from other countries. Everything that made the USSR a threat came out of the Ukrainian SSR, not the Russian one. The reward for this? Holodomor.
The answer to the Russian question is simple. TZD
Even animals know.
Fricking HATO bioweapons
What does tzd means? urban dictionary don't give fitting answers https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tzd
Tactical zone denial
Total Zigger Death.
Yeah, my grandmother had a very similar attitude; I didn’t get it until now.
As a Finn my grandfather who had to leave Karelia as a kid used to visit Russia a lot and made friends there
I think if he had survived long enough to see this war he would've been completely heartbroken
As another Finn, we have some Russian friends living in Finland. A very goody-two-shoes couple, like a manifestation of Flanders family from Simpsons. It was quite interesting how their relations with their relatives living within Russian borders completely broke down for good.
Propaganda is VERY effective, no matter how stupid it can sometimes be.
>As a Finn
>and then he and a bunch of other Azov officers were released for one of Putin's butt buddies
it gets better
they gave the Azov officers fricking iphones...
Look at Commander Chad Brickjaw over there.
There's two types of people in Europe - those who hate Russia and those who don't know their history.
If you look at their pre-war plane, executing a significant portion of the population was always going to happen.
Go on any Russian forum. Every Ukrainian is a "pig" that needs to be slaughtered. Seems like a lame slur to me but they love it.
The latter was always there. They started saying the former just for their SMO.
>Russia breaks dam
War crime! No advantage for them, literal morons!
>Ukraine breaks dam
Smart move! Ukies are so based
Why
Who said Ukraine destroyed this bridge? It's so far behind lines it doesn't really provide any benefit to them and it's against their interest to destroy infrastructure they intend to reclaim. The more likely explanation is that the Russians are just doing their normal scorched earth shit while at the same time putting obstacles in the AFU's way in the form of flood fields.
He meant dam near Kyiv, they blow it at the beginning
Nova kakhovka dam and that Kyiv dam is not the same
So you want to say they hide in every kindergarten?
Bombing kindergarten in 10 km from frontline is not same as bombing kindergarten in 100km from frontline
One is massive in scale, causing massive ecological damage, the other really only raises the water level slightly above the normal level, probably not even overspilling the banks.
The difference is in scale, this style of small breach has happened at least 6 times so far in Ukraine, but also we have no idea who did it.
It’s a zigger telegram being cheeky and acting like they totally didn’t blow it up *wink* *wink*
breaks dam
>War crime! No advantage for them, literal morons!
breaks dam
>Smart move! Ukies are so based
>Why
Because it's Ukrainian property and they're the big underdog side defending themselves against thieving raping mass murderer butthole invaders. If they make the call to sacrifice some more of their own infrastructure in their own country that they will have to rebuild and suffer from after as a least-bad tactical choice, and work hard to mitigate any consequences (evac'ing civilians, trying to weigh harms), then yes that is good.
Meanwhile when Russia does it from pure spite and scorched earth and then launches artillery strikes at stricken civilians afterwards, that is indeed bad. You fricking piece of shit.
>Because it's Ukrainian property and they're the big underdog
Under dog? ukraine has more men in ukraine than Russia by a mile, and has recieved more money $$$$ in one single year than the entire Russian defense budget
probably time to take the crack needle out of your ass
>from bragging about second strongest army in the world and infinite soviet reserves of tanks/arty/shells and huge population to draft from (Ukraine pop: 36million, Russian pop: 147 million) and crushing Ukraine in days and being able to get to Berlin in weeks to whining about how big meanies are oppressing them
Errytime. The complete and absolute state of vatniks and /misc/nig monke lickers. I wish death upon every last one of you.
You don't get to be both the underdog and the second army in the world global super power pls believe at the same time
>ukraine has more men in ukraine than Russia by a mile
yes, pyodr, its almost as if they live there and another country invaded them or something
>Russia is the underdog now
Okay.
>has recieved more money $$$$ in one single year than the entire Russian defense budget
Russia didn't build their army from scratch with the 2022 defence budget
right, and lots of stuff in normal militaries is about time, no amount of money can make up for it and what money can help with takes far more.
>ukraine has more men
This cope again.
The only way Ukraine has more men that Russia is if Russia lost over 1.5 million men,
If Russia is the underdog and the weaker, then shouldn't they, you know, leave Ukraine and seek peace instead of being beaten by the larger, richer and more powerful Ukraine then?
Can you commit a war crime against yourself?
So they are going full scored earth mode
Russian civilians should be targeted.
Well I think hohols should be targeted. Oh right, that's already happening. Even fleeing people are now targets, no mercy for those who side with nazis. Never again. :*~~
This bait is too obvious try harder
Have a (You)
(You)
Yes super neutral
>muh heckin vatBlack person is better than your vatBlack person
this is you.
meds
>preemptive cope about how blaming ukraine for the previous dam failed
kek what a kwab.
you know this is the second time russia commits ecocide in Ukraine and there are already consequences from the first attack
the black sea is already changing because of the heavy influx of fresh water
and just fyi, this will have global effects, not just regional
apparently this is not enough for the un and greta thunderdome to say shit about it
could it be that these subhumans are on a payroll?
Greta did say something about the Russians on Twitter, Zelensky even thanked her.
the only thing this exploited autistic child said is that it is noted
there were autistic outburst for much much minor shit
this has been clear for a long time, the question is, why do we have to pretend the concerned button pushers are worth anything?
the black sea is a sea, it is salt water and not comparable to fresh water
besides that, there are alot of toxins pouring into the black sea contaminating it
this will further spread in the waters in and around europe and most likely into the oceans
the UN is a useless bureacratic hurdle on the path to nuking russia. this much has been established
Isn't the black sea already almost fresh water?
Half the salinity of a regular ocean
the Black Sea is... weird. one of the most stagnant bodies of water on the planet past a certain depth, highly anoxic below the pycnocline, and meromictic, meaning it doesn't cycle material seasonally like most bodies of water and the pycnocline remains year-round (and has likely remained that way for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years in the Black Sea). even at its saltiest in the deep, stagnant areas, it's still below ocean salinity, and i'm not sure why.
then again AFAIK we're still not totally sure why the oceans aren't just big Dead Seas in salinity - there's easily enough salt on the planet for it.
>then again AFAIK we're still not totally sure why the oceans aren't just big Dead Seas in salinity - there's easily enough salt on the planet for it.
There are definitely a couple of known sinks though, some more complex but some really simple. A simple one would be just the effect of spray. Ocean water gets sprayed on land, not evaporated leaving the salt in the water but just heavy wind driven spray, and that then evaps on land which takes out salt. Salt concentration also isn't perfectly even, in the right circumstances an area of ocean can become super saturated, causing salt to fall out into muddy sediment which then ultimately becomes part of rock. Exposed magma in oceaning rifts and vents will also react with salt ions. Finally is biological life itself, organisms use salt, when they die the fall to the bottom if not eaten and that adds up.
I don't know if anyone has done exact math or even if we really can yet, hard to measure at this kind of scale, but there are definitely significant known sinks. Clearly end of the day the rates balance pretty closely.
Black Sea is ~50% cosmoline
Short story
Crimea's water supply is almost all supplied by the Crimea Canal which takes water out of a river system and kicks it to Crimea via canals
The dam being blown up means Ukrainians decided to drain the entire Crimea canal systems at the spot they now control on the river to canal junction.
Crimea's water table will crash and it will quickly turn into toxic dust storm there as desertification kicks in. It's been running out of water for almost 3 days and Russians aren't seeing it.
This war shows me how stupid Russians and trolls are.
>apparently this is not enough for the un and greta thunderdome to say shit about it
i don't know about greta thunderdome but the UN have said shit about it though, they've even met with ukrainian officials to coordinate and deal with the dam's destruction since the day of, surprisingly. however, they have to hold back on an actual full on field response because the russians are explicitly keeping them from accessing a large swathe of the disaster area in general with no assurances they won't just shoot the humanitarian workers trying to deal with the devastation (and the ukrainian military has warned them they have to clear out the unexploded landmines from the initial disaster)
i dont know if any response has been formulated about this incident tho
>pretending as if anything will result from UBlack folk words
frick the UN and frick greta thunfish
Greta Thunderdome did tweet about it, condemning the destruction of the dam. I don't even understand why anyone would expect her not to.
Greta did say that it is completly russias fault. UN celebrated russian speaker day. (As in unironically the same day)
>this will have global effects, not just regional
Such as?
If he's talking about the environment he's right but not, like, majorly. It's true that any significant changes to a body of water as big as the black sea will probably have some butterfly weather effects, but tracing them back would be near impossible. It'll definitely have regional effects for everyone dependent on it.
If he's thinking more in human terms that's easier, Ukraine has been a huge bread basket, and having that all fricked up for years will indeed have (and has had) global effects on the world food market, particularly for poorer countries. Which in turn may ultimately have some other effects down the road, starving people have a higher tendency to flee or fight.
Of course since the countries most affected often are "staying neutral" or contributing nothing not a lot of sympathy in that case.
>north korea and south korea, they're the same except one is a bigger shit hole than the other.
And can you tell us why one is a bigger shit hole than the other? Hmmmmmm...
love how the vatnik is like
>uh i know this is direct evidence we blew up the larger dam too, but what difference does it make?
fricking russkies man
Part of the vatnik field operators manual
>When in doubt, blow up dam
What about old dam incident?
The finds of the Kakhovsky reservoir. Will the equipment be able to pass here?
is there more of this and where can i find it?
With soft sediment layers it's harder than when it was full.
?t=83
What's the context for this?
>What's the context for this?
ww II
What, are dead Germans clawing their way out of the ground to join the Ukrainians in killing Russians?
The Ukrainians need to send the rightful Kievan Rus heir with the Pisky orb to call upon the dead to fight for him in exchange for being released from the bonds that hold them to this world. It would be spooky, but kino.
>American volunteer MANPADs a BMP
>dozens killed
>looks smuggly at Polish volunteer
>"That still only counts as one!"
That's some nice fricking shot, taking out a ground vehicle with an anti-air weapon.
stranger things have happened
>that stahlhelm
holy shit. even the german ghosts of Barbarossa are emerging from the ground in response to the zigger infestation
>>I love when shit explodes in Ukraine who cares who does it
insert gigachad pic :*~~
I really think Russia will absolutely blow up that nuclear power plant.
Didn't Poland say that they'd intervene if it was blown up?
>Didn't Poland say that they'd intervene if it was blown up?
Maybe, don't remember, but afaik NATO itself hasn't drawn any red lines except nuclear weapons, and not clear that Russia wouldn't think (with some reason) they could get away with it and nobody would REALLY intervene regardless of what was said. They might even see that as another reason to do it, to poke NATO/Poland in the eye and either drag them in (all while thinking they can just hide back in Russia whenever they want and then NOOOOK anyone who tries to invade) or make them look weak and divide them. I mean, blowing up the dam was already an absolute literal, textual warcrime per the geneva convention. Unironic strategic weapon levels of destruction, and we're not really doing anything in particular extra in response. Maybe ATACMS, eventually or something (and way too late).
Of course this is all also ascribing actual forethought and calculation to the vatnik mind. They might just do it because they're animals and then point fingers every which way and say it was rando local soldiers. They'd 100% claim it was Ukraine first too.
Whether Russians blew the Dnipro dam or not this will convince any doubters that they did.