>I would rather die than serve next to one of these blue tree-huggers
I disliked Avatar so know zilch about this sequel, but I'm 99% sure from that description that these are more of whatever those mind-swap hybrid body things? That those aren't the blue savages but rather a new set of adapteds except this time they're supposed to be special forces.
As for why they don't just use cyborgs or advanced genetically enhanced soldiers or something, well same reason they didn't promptly setup orbital fabricators and asteroid mining and orbital solar gathering and so on so that they could just have kinetic strike platforms and big phase array beam systems, or for that matter not just have VR piloting with armored vehicles or even just armored windshields perfectly immune to fricking bow and arrow, or have humans not be morons: because then humanity would roflstomp pocahantas and crew and that's not allowed in modern America.
Eh, again this is where the too big stakes fricks up your explanation. If it was like hundreds of miles or high grade platinum/osmium/iridium this would make sense, very much worth a shitload, but also not strategic. Private corp wants to make an absolute shit load of money and cuts corners and doesn't have access to humanity's best stuff, on the contrary is legally restricted (maybe you can even mix in subplots there about the corp being naughty and researching tech it's not legally supposed to or covering up law violations, exploiting sentients which is banned by claiming it has no idea there is planet wide sentience).
But instead it's magic high temp super conductor material that the entire Earth is now based on and worth a bajillion per kg and can be found nowhere else in the known universe. Which makes "well, we're just trying to turn a profit man" kinda start falling flat yeah?
But the stakes aren't as high as it seems. It's mentioned that RDA suppresses synthetic unobtainium research so they can justify their lucrative mining operation. It's very likely they also see Pandora colonization as a new profitable monopoly even if terraforming Earth is the cheaper and more sensible option.
>But the stakes aren't as high as it seems
Anon OP picture literally says >to retake Pandora in order to provide a new home for humanity.
or from that city one >the last hope for a dying Earth
that sounds pretty high stakes. That said
>it's mentioned that RDA suppresses synthetic unobtainium research
I honestly have zero recollection of that. But that still wouldn't make sense. If the material is that important, I'd expect governments to just nationalize RDA or something. Or be doing synthetic unobstanium R&D themselves. If RDA is the government, that doesn't explain the whole treaty license it's supposedly operating under, nor how weak it is. The excuse of not having real serious military presence is supposed to be that they're just an ordinary future megacorp and are trying to at least handwave at following the law or something.
How is that pistol even supposed to work? The feed angle for that rifle holy shit why? Vltor stock to prevent use by bearded humans makes sense at least I suppose.
>will have some badass weapons
Where? I don't see any posted. It's just pathetic shit done so we can have another installment of trash where "evil civilization technology" gets beaten by dindunuthin innocent noble savages. That is just pathetic gear for centuries down the line with super human strength.
>retake pandora to provide a new home for humanity
No no nonononoNOOOOOOOO
THATS SUCH A SHIT IDEA FOR A SEQUEL ARE TOU KIDDING QHY DO WE WANT A PLANET WE HAVE TO TERRAFORM, WHY CANT WE FIND A PLANET THAT DIESNT HAVE LETHAL LEVELS OF CO2
why the fricking hell are we not just slapping a bunch of our plants into that atmosphere. they use CO2 as food for crying out loud; and in the process they create more oxygen for us. since the pandoran jungle doesn't provide enough oxygen (but plenty of CO2) then terraforming wouldn't even be a challenge.
I am unconvinced that it wouldn't just be shredded by Earth bacteria and Kudzu.
Earth has some incredibly nasty lifeforms, and how two ecosystems interact is extremely random.
When you introduce something like, say, Algae into a planet that has nearly unlimited Co2 for them to eat they're going to reproduce like crazy if conditions are right.
Keep in mind, plants are not defenseless. Nor are microbes. You have a billion years of evolution backing you, which has primed your digestive system with the equivalent of an entire eon of anti-virus patches and security updates to deal with their defences.
If you pulled a dinosaur out of the Jurassic and tried to feed it most plants alive today, it'd die of toxic shock.
At best, most Earth bacteria and plants would be indigestible - at worst, they'd be fatal for the native life.
Of course the outcome is totally random but hey, throw shit at the wall until something sticks.
My money is on Kudzu.
Since apparently this is actually some hyper tech synthetic world bya Type 3 (jesus) civ with a massive governing AI eh, suppose it gets to beat natural evolved life forms. Though that doesn't explain why it bothers allowing humans to frick with it at all, or maybe that's part of the larp, "oh boy we get to let some primitives be npc enemies for players" basically and if humans tried to do anything serious they'd be wiped immediately but it's fine so long as they play within the rules.
You can pretty much deus ex machina whenever you want if there is an actual literal deus ex involved.
Recall that in the first movie when it appeared the Na'vi were actually losing, Eywa responded with "order literally every animal on the planet to attack the humans en masse," which is something it apparently could have done at any point but chose not to, and which surprised even the Na'vi when it actually happened
Recall that in the first movie when it appeared the Na'vi were actually losing, Eywa responded with "order literally every animal on the planet to attack the humans en masse," which is something it apparently could have done at any point but chose not to, and which surprised even the Na'vi when it actually happened
avatar set in 2150s iirc, weyland-yutani formed 2099 so yeah theyd be active. sorry for nerd shit.
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right so basically this is irl mmorpg. blue folks are the players. planet ai is devs/game master. even if 'killed' playing the game blue folks get to save and reload their character. humans are npcs as is wildlife etc. human arrival is exciting new expansion pack content. but if they try to cheat or hack the game or interfere with story too much b&
>right so basically this is irl mmorpg. blue folks are the players. planet ai is devs/game master. even if 'killed' playing the game blue folks get to save and reload their character. humans are npcs as is wildlife etc. human arrival is exciting new expansion pack content. but if they try to cheat or hack the game or interfere with story too much b&
Also makes sense then how they get to drag out the game for another 4 movies. Guess the planetary GM AI will keep making "balance patches" and ensuring all the navis have a good time until their inevitable heroic victory.
Eywa or whatever is never once implied to be a constructed AI or whatever gay fanfic.
Also, it didn't seem to have a problem with the humans mining it's dandruff and killing it's skin mites until we destroyed one of its nerve centers and Jake told it they were going to do it again and also try to poison it to death.
At that point it still didnt help the Navi until it was absolutely clear that the humans were trying to bomb another nerve center at which point it immediately brain jacked every animal into killing the humans and rewarded Jake for being a good mortal pet.
Really we were trying diplomacy with the wrong thing, the planet monster is the one in charge.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Eywa or whatever is never once implied to be a constructed AI or whatever gay fanfic.
Except for the part where every being on the planet has USB ports and artificial bones in their "anatomy"
2 years ago
Anonymous
all that implies is that their evolution was effected by the planet monster, not that the monster itself was designed.
>Eywa or whatever is never once implied to be a constructed AI or whatever gay fanfic.
You are going to be so mad when the sequels come out, because the "it's all AI" leak comes from the same guy who leaked the Seed Bearer/Tulkun Rider names, four fricking years ago
Hey if additions to the canon alter the situation, that's fine. I'm not heavily invested in the sanctity of Avatar lore. Right now it's fanon, later it may be canon, neither of these things is upsetting.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hey man I'm just going by
https://i.imgur.com/aw9XUC2.jpg
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I'm not shitposting, and this is an actual spoiler for the overarching plot of the franchise that leaked years ago and nobody believed it because it was so fricking stupid, but then it matched the sequel names:
The Na'Vi aren't primitive or savages. They're a Type III godlike hyper-advanced race that intentionally gave themselves carbon fiber bodies with USB nervous systems, then colonized a planet they completely engineered themselves from the ground up, all so they could do an elaborate anprim LARP for the rest of eternity, and their god Eywa is in fact a biological supercomputer, which is why it does mind uploading/reincarnation/ordering fricking snakes and rhinos to attack with the coordination of military units/etc
and taking it at face value. And as
>Eywa or whatever is never once implied to be a constructed AI or whatever gay fanfic.
Except for the part where every being on the planet has USB ports and artificial bones in their "anatomy"
says yes, it'd explain a lot in terms of how fricking weird Pandora is as a natural occurrence, why it has a magic super material (if it's some stabilized degenerate or strange matter or something made by hyper tech) etc. If that spoiler is wrong like everyone originally thought it was fine.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Eywa or whatever is never once implied to be a constructed AI or whatever gay fanfic.
You are going to be so mad when the sequels come out, because the "it's all AI" leak comes from the same guy who leaked the Seed Bearer/Tulkun Rider names, four fricking years ago
2 years ago
Anonymous.
This, but less skin mites and more initial immune response.
Na'vi had a place, and that was using their giant brains to ensure environmental homeostasis. Hence their whole cultural perceptions on hunting and killing or wrangling animals.
The planet is not only concious, it has control down to the level of individual animals and perhaps even microbes. It could just actively choose to eliminate species it didn't want there, or worse use whatever schizo space magic sustains it to take over anything you introduced and turn it into more of itself. It's already proved it can jack into a human nervous system if it wants to which should be super impossible.
>not nuking the na'vi from orbit >not firebombing the evertree or whatever the frick their shitass home was called
and more to the point >remembering anything about this movie beyond general plot points
from original idea for Avatar scriptment called 'Project 880'
>The RDA has an official charter from the ICA, the Interplanetary Commerce Administration (pronounced eye- kah), an international trade-regulating body run much like the EC is today. The charter allows them to exploit the resources of planets, moons, asteroids... whatever they find... as long as they follow the International Space Resources Treaty, and the other treaties which prohibit weapons of mass destruction and limit military power in space.
>and the other treaties which prohibit weapons of mass destruction and limit military power in space
It doesn't sound like it covers incendiary ordinance.
are you mad that the movie about blue Pocahontas doesn't explain its plot holes well enough? could it be that you're upset that James Cameron's masturbatory cgi tech fest has the bare minimum flimsiest plot imaginable?
>This is some 40k level of "we need to explain a plot hole so use some sci fi garble to make it go away"
No it's not, as we talked about earlier in the thread, it's completely believable in isolation, the problem is the movie's stakes. If we look at IRL, there are indeed international laws around mining and resources in international waters, what sorts of force companies can have on ships, stuff like that. It's fairly thin and not super enforced, but we don't actually see private battleships cruising around even though companies do hire PMCs for 3rd world countries because in general it's not a big deal. That's clearly what Avatar was going for in part: a hybrid of Space South America and early America. SA mining companies in the Amazon or something, destroying stuff because they're after gold, they've got private security that is better armed then the natives. And that's very realistic for stuff which is certainly nice to have but also has plenty of other sources.
This thread has made me rethink and convinced me that beyond normal complaints like mediocre writing, the real original sin here is the stakes/subject. Movie would have worked fine if it was just a big megacorp looking to make a ton of cash without any major other stakes, if Pandora was one interesting valuable find amongst many and humanity had a few dozen planets/starbases by that point. So big deal for the company for sure, hell maybe entire future of the company rests on it, they'll go bankrupt otherwise. Company is motivated to spend tens of billions, serious money in one respect. But not trillions, and it's not something that's going to get governments up in arms beyond under the table corp bribe stuff. Public isn't going to approve of them genociding if it media gets wind, politicians would also throw them under a bus even if previously bribed. Governments paranoid about companies becoming rivals so keeping a close eye on miltech.
Now we've got a sensible setting that explains things.
So basically you're a literal moron but also feel entitled to complain about plot holes. OK gay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
40k does this same shit in the same way and people in the 40k community write novels of insane shit in defense of it all the time
2 years ago
Anonymous
The majority of the 40k community is well aware that 40k is moronic. They made it that way on purpose, as a joke.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Surely
2 years ago
Anonymous
IRL international treaties and mining companies and PMCs aren't whatever this "40k" thing you've got up your dumb butthole is anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Sci-fi babble in defense of even more sci-fi babble
You should go write for Games Workshop
2 years ago
Anonymous
You need to be over 18 to post on PrepHole.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hope you have nightmares about those little blue homosexuals getting nuked from space
2 years ago
Anonymous
Since that's something I advocated not sure why you think it'd be a nightmare. I mean, if you were 18 or older anyway, as it is pretty obvious why you have difficulty following adult conversations and base all your "thinking" around this "40k" series.
A spacefaring civilazation has so many fricking ways of genociding whatever's on the planets surface without using strictly military tech that it's not even fricking funny that Cameron expects for this argument to hold up with anyone but the most brainless consoomers
You don't need "nukes" in space anon. Any engine powerful enough to make a fricking high speed interplanetary journey, let alone an interstellar one, is already a "weapon of mass destruction" or could be. A couple tons of mass at a few percent lightspeed is already getting into the tens of megatons tnt worth of energy.
from original idea for Avatar scriptment called 'Project 880'
>The RDA has an official charter from the ICA, the Interplanetary Commerce Administration (pronounced eye- kah), an international trade-regulating body run much like the EC is today. The charter allows them to exploit the resources of planets, moons, asteroids... whatever they find... as long as they follow the International Space Resources Treaty, and the other treaties which prohibit weapons of mass destruction and limit military power in space.
Not him but that doesn't line up with the foundational stuff stated in the movie that this was the only source of this magic high temp superconductor stuff which is utterly vital for Earth. A problem then to me is that they did the moron hollywood thing of making the stakes so high that then the rest doesn't make sense. The movie would be a LOT better and more believable if Pandora was merely one of dozens of worlds/moons Humanity was using, and it just had like, a lot of Platinum or something. Yes, that's very valuable, of course some private mining firm would want to exploit it. But because the stakes would be "private firm seeking profit" it's also believable they'd still be constrained by law, that there'd be environmental protesters on the human side too, private mercs would be dumb etc. I could have just rolled with that.
Instead though it's setup as an ultra important strategic resource. Something like THAT would promptly get nationalized, or at least have military level power on hand, or authorization to use it. They tried to create drama by saying this was important to billions of human lives. Once you have that kind of stakes the rest falls apart, it'd be treated like other similar things in history where the government intervenes whether it fricks the locals or not.
from original idea for Avatar scriptment called 'Project 880'
>The RDA has an official charter from the ICA, the Interplanetary Commerce Administration (pronounced eye- kah), an international trade-regulating body run much like the EC is today. The charter allows them to exploit the resources of planets, moons, asteroids... whatever they find... as long as they follow the International Space Resources Treaty, and the other treaties which prohibit weapons of mass destruction and limit military power in space.
>not nuking the na'vi from orbit >not firebombing the evertree or whatever the frick their shitass home was called
and more to the point >remembering anything about this movie beyond general plot points
>I would rather die than serve next to one of these blue tree-huggers
I disliked Avatar so know zilch about this sequel, but I'm 99% sure from that description that these are more of whatever those mind-swap hybrid body things? That those aren't the blue savages but rather a new set of adapteds except this time they're supposed to be special forces.
As for why they don't just use cyborgs or advanced genetically enhanced soldiers or something, well same reason they didn't promptly setup orbital fabricators and asteroid mining and orbital solar gathering and so on so that they could just have kinetic strike platforms and big phase array beam systems, or for that matter not just have VR piloting with armored vehicles or even just armored windshields perfectly immune to fricking bow and arrow, or have humans not be morons: because then humanity would roflstomp pocahantas and crew and that's not allowed in modern America.
I'm not shitposting, and this is an actual spoiler for the overarching plot of the franchise that leaked years ago and nobody believed it because it was so fricking stupid, but then it matched the sequel names:
The Na'Vi aren't primitive or savages. They're a Type III godlike hyper-advanced race that intentionally gave themselves carbon fiber bodies with USB nervous systems, then colonized a planet they completely engineered themselves from the ground up, all so they could do an elaborate anprim LARP for the rest of eternity, and their god Eywa is in fact a biological supercomputer, which is why it does mind uploading/reincarnation/ordering fricking snakes and rhinos to attack with the coordination of military units/etc
Oh FFS (not at you anon, I believe you, and I can see Cameron being that moronic). It's still extra stupid, and not simply because it's a silly premise. I can actually kinda sorta go with it. Basically by definition a strongly superhuman intelligence/post-singularity civilization is impossible for us to fully comprehend, and what meaning does anything have anyway? Maybe it ends up being super fricking boring to a race to have zero risk or connection to IRL anymore, so they do in fact setup some crazy larp. For a Type 3 that'd be trivial, plenty of humans right now would larp forever in a VR world if they could let alone something more. So sure fine.
But that still doesn't cover HUMANITY'S actions. Like it'd explain why humanity would go all out, but then lose. It could also be cool in the scenario I setup, where a private mining company after something valuable but not strategic gets squashed and comes to believe there is some super thing here but nobody believes them. And maybe the super intelligence subtly influences politics, infiltrates human networks, and sets up an environmental movement to "let Pandora stay unsullied!" but still allows some humans on there for larp fun. You could do something around that. But the problem here is how the humans don't act like humans. Making the primitives actually secretly not be isn't a bad twist necessarily in the hands of a non-shit writer, but humans shouldn't be artificially moronic either.
makes humans act like morons and cut any corners they can even when the resource is vital. >More news at 11.
Anon you replied to, but real world doesn't quite bear this out anon. Yes, capitalism without reasonable checks and balances can frick up. But if we look at critical strategic resources like oil or the like, we generally see government keeping a pretty close watch and the KINDS of frickups matter. Like sure, oil majors have had bad safety sometimes which have resulted in major ecological damage. But that's government letting them get away with more in favor of more production cheaper (externalizing costs). That's not the same thing as some hostile party actively interfering with production. When THAT has happened, we have very frequently seen governments flat out go to war over it. Or at least seek to put their thumbs heavily on the scale or more or less overt ways. For many countries energy is straight up nationalized, or if it isn't on paper it's mega regulated or under the control of stooges of those in power or similar. Even in democracies strategic resource areas tend to have serious government involvement.
So if the entire fate of the human species rested on Pandora, and the corp isn't itself already the government, and suddenly production was threatened by native attacks, I'd 100% expect to see full scale military involvement. Particularly in this case where on paper humanity doesn't see anything opposing of a strategic nature which would push towards something covert.
Of course I'd also expect to see a crash course in figuring out how to synthesize it for find alternatives just in case, but if it's hundreds of generations beyond our technology that might not be possible in the near term.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yes, capitalism without reasonable checks and balances can frick up. >It's the government's fault for not properly regulating them.
That's because the capitalists buy control of the government. America is a perfect example of this where Corporations were awarded the same rights, but not same liabilities, of a human being and money is free speech while at the same time, the public is not allowed to see who gets the money, thanks the the conservative controlled supreme court.
And considering how vital unobtainium was, you'd think the company would do a better job for security rather than hiring mercenaries who have to retro outfit their equipment to have military applications. But that's them cutting corners to make more money.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Post gun
2 years ago
Anonymous
Corporations are so rich because they don't have to pay rent for any of their facilities or upkeep any of their buildings. Because they arleady have all the space they need inside your empty head rent-free schitzo.
On a serious note
There is a big fricking difference between outsourcing production to a shithole country to save costs on safety etc and skimping on security for a mining operation granting you a monopoly on energy on Earth and thus immense influence and wealth, especially when the asset granting you that resource is constantly under threat by the entire fricking planet trying to kill it. >the difference is... IT WOULDN'T FRICKING HAPPEN
I guarantee if this movie actually made sense, a corporation with a monopoly for energy on the entire planet would be THE de facto world goverment and would have so much influence it could do whatever the frick it wanted and would have so much money there would be nothing within 100km of their base except for mud, minefields, autonomus combat drones and loitering munitions covered by an AA system capable of killing a mosquito from half a hemisphere away.
makes humans act like morons and cut any corners they can even when the resource is vital. >More news at 11.
Anon you replied to, but real world doesn't quite bear this out anon. Yes, capitalism without reasonable checks and balances can frick up. But if we look at critical strategic resources like oil or the like, we generally see government keeping a pretty close watch and the KINDS of frickups matter. Like sure, oil majors have had bad safety sometimes which have resulted in major ecological damage. But that's government letting them get away with more in favor of more production cheaper (externalizing costs). That's not the same thing as some hostile party actively interfering with production. When THAT has happened, we have very frequently seen governments flat out go to war over it. Or at least seek to put their thumbs heavily on the scale or more or less overt ways. For many countries energy is straight up nationalized, or if it isn't on paper it's mega regulated or under the control of stooges of those in power or similar. Even in democracies strategic resource areas tend to have serious government involvement.
So if the entire fate of the human species rested on Pandora, and the corp isn't itself already the government, and suddenly production was threatened by native attacks, I'd 100% expect to see full scale military involvement. Particularly in this case where on paper humanity doesn't see anything opposing of a strategic nature which would push towards something covert.
Of course I'd also expect to see a crash course in figuring out how to synthesize it for find alternatives just in case, but if it's hundreds of generations beyond our technology that might not be possible in the near term.
Top-quality posts. Thank you anon I enjoyed your analysis.
[...] >the gun designs are dumb
James Cameron literally scribbled in the screenplay how much he hates gun owners lol
>James Cameron literally scribbled in the screenplay how much he hates gun owners lol
Yep, he's like a somewhat better version of George Lucas but similar in that he cares more about special effects and shiny tech for brain dead writing and lets his stupid bias infect everything, he can't set that aside and write interesting stuff about things he doesn't like/understand. And he's too big a name now so nobody gets to proverbially slap him upside the head.
that actually makes sense, the guy that designed all the aliens for the movie says the blue savages people are as alien as humans are in the planets evolutionary history
>blue savages people are as alien as humans are in the planets evolutionary history
Doubt, considering how the the na'vi have the same usb port hairpiece as every other creature, which lets them mind meld with the paradactyls and shit.
it's mainly the alien designer seething because his blue space monkey design got canned because the director said it would make it seem like bestiality. when the designer said what's the problem it's bestiality anyway he got screamed at. the Navi were created by a different guy than all the other animals, that's why they are so different.
I actually despise the movie by my twin brother is a super fan so I'm going to get roped into seeing this new one.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I actually despise the movie by my twin brother is a super fan so I'm going to get roped into seeing this new one.
My sympathies. Amusingly this thread has made me hate the movie mildly less and switch over to more dull disappointment, but like you I wouldn't watch it except I've got a family fan and will probably have to go watch the fricking thing eventually. Though I think I'll at least be able to get it put off until the theaters around here are mostly empty.
>The Na'Vi aren't primitive or savages. They're a Type III godlike hyper-advanced race that intentionally gave themselves carbon fiber bodies with USB nervous systems, then colonized a planet they completely engineered themselves from the ground up, all so they could do an elaborate anprim LARP for the rest of eternity, and their god Eywa is in fact a biological supercomputer, which is why it does mind uploading/reincarnation/ordering fricking snakes and rhinos to attack with the coordination of military units/etc
That would be fricking hilarious if it turns out that they used this plot-twist.
that's so much more lame than the cosmic horror planet-spanning superintelligence that starts figuring out how to execute earth from light-years away over the movies plot I was hoping for
this reminds of some the stories about alien planets in that one super old imaginary scifi galaxy compendium thing
there was shit like a planet was covered in grass but something was weird about it and it turned out each blade of grass "whispered" to others and it was an infinitely regenerating biological super computer inside which a virtualised civilisation lived
We could have had a humanity frick yeah movie about humans coming back to retake Pandora with an actual military and kicking anprim ass
Instead we get this LE EBIC ALEINZ SMARTEN AND BETTAH THAN HUMONZ!! HUMONZ BAD AND STUPID TWIST!!
Avatar was the last thing that could get me back into a cinema and if this shit is true then i'm outta here
I kind of wish it was like Blood Meridian where the whites are merciless killers but the Commanche are full on demonic rapist cannibal savages and the Black folk are dullard NPCs with no empathy
Instead we got Pocahontas in space
>retake Pandora in order to provide a new home for humanity
I thought the whole point of being on Pandora in the first movie was resource extraction, and that the planet was extremely inhospitable to humans with an atmosphere that's pure poison, most animals on the planet having evolved carbon nanotube bones and skin, and dinosaur tier megafauna that's unfazed by antitank weapons.
This is quadruple moronic because they're raising the stakes EVEN FURTHER. Like first it'd be far, far, FAR easier to just build a new home for humanity in our solar system with orbital habs. Or terraforming Mars or building underground colonies on Ganymede or Titan or something (drill holes a few hundred km down, detonate a bunch of clean nukes, boom cavern hundreds to thousands of square miles with hundreds of km of rock/ice shielding above it). Like sure that's hard, but it's less hard and less energy then trying to move people or much mass at all to another fricking star system. You get to tune the hab right to our needs and then "easily" relatively speaking transport tons of mass off of Earth. So the whole premise is moronic.
But second with those stakes one would naturally expect a full on army, strategic weapons, the works. Hell, genetically engineered plagues, which unlike human v human fighting is actually low risk good return here because it's an entirely different species. Which means the natives insta-lose. What a fricking moron.
>Is this the same universe as Aliens?
I can't remember even a hint of that, and I'm gonna say no because IIRC in the Aliens universe Earth is still fine and heavily inhabited in the 2300s, it's just no longer the center of humanity as much because most of the critical jobs and mass manufacturing etc has moved to space and colonies (which would be another difference, massive amounts of space infrastructure and colonies everywhere). You're right that'd be extra stupid but I don't think it's the same just because Cameron. No sign of Weyland-Yutani and no way they wouldn't have a hand in something like this lol.
avatar set in 2150s iirc, weyland-yutani formed 2099 so yeah theyd be active. sorry for nerd shit.
https://i.imgur.com/HSkfzMY.jpg
Recall that in the first movie when it appeared the Na'vi were actually losing, Eywa responded with "order literally every animal on the planet to attack the humans en masse," which is something it apparently could have done at any point but chose not to, and which surprised even the Na'vi when it actually happened
right so basically this is irl mmorpg. blue folks are the players. planet ai is devs/game master. even if 'killed' playing the game blue folks get to save and reload their character. humans are npcs as is wildlife etc. human arrival is exciting new expansion pack content. but if they try to cheat or hack the game or interfere with story too much b&
>right so basically this is irl mmorpg. blue folks are the players. planet ai is devs/game master. even if 'killed' playing the game blue folks get to save and reload their character. humans are npcs as is wildlife etc. human arrival is exciting new expansion pack content. but if they try to cheat or hack the game or interfere with story too much b&
Also makes sense then how they get to drag out the game for another 4 movies. Guess the planetary GM AI will keep making "balance patches" and ensuring all the navis have a good time until their inevitable heroic victory.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wait so their religion is a massive farce lol, someone post the general with that ‘over your graves the stars will belong to us’ pic
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Wait so their religion is a massive farce lol, someone post the general with that ‘over your graves the stars will belong to us’ pic
I actually always really enjoyed that image, but unfortunately if that spoiler and anons are correct their religion very much isn't a farce and the image no longer is right but rather ironic. Their god really ARE real in that case, and Type 3 civilization is god level power. The stars literally already belonged to them. If they've completely given that up then humanity now has a chance too, but wouldn't change they owned it all and could have squashed our world at any point. And they may well have left latent reactivation capability, or maybe only some of their civ chose to larp while the rest is still out there.
Wouldn't be the first fiction by a long shot (decades and decades) where you shouldn't judge aliens by first appearances since extremely advanced tech might not actually be recognizable at first and there are good game theory reasons advanced civilizations might want to be "quiet" rather then "loud" (like humanity is IRL). That's one of the solutions to the Great Filter.
I still don't like how the film is written or presented though and don't like the look of this next one either. And it's probably now going to turn into some "humanity has to find super ai node and show they are sorry and work together with navi to get saved" shit now.
2 years ago
Anonymous.
I mean, if they're a type 3 civ, why would Pandora be the only place they exist on?
Ergo the movie plot is. >"Hey the natives kicked us off the planet we need to survive." >Gets ICBM's and full military support. >ICBM's get blown out of space by technology no one comprehends, and military support gets ganked Alien style, by small groups of individually flawless killing machines. >The moon turns to them and tells most of them to frick off, sort their shit out and come back when they're willing to act like grown ups. >Except you guys, you can stay. If you're down.
Probably won't happen, and I would be disappointed if it's the case, but I will kek at the sheer amount of blueball seethe it'll generate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I mean, if they're a type 3 civ, why would Pandora be the only place they exist on?
Well by definition we can't actually comprehend a civ like that. Maybe a bunch of them literally did everything they wanted to do and are just done, and then fully regressed on their MMOG moon to give themselves some real "stakes" and perhaps grow again someday. Or just play until the star burns out or something. Or perhaps some did that and the ones that disagreed all decided to go exploring other galaxies entirely and are now billions of light years away, unreachable in a hurry even for them. Like, with god level intelligences you can justify almost anything, it could all be part of some inscrutable eon-long plan. That's a basic problem with bringing that level of being into a story that takes itself seriously, very hard to write well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>God-level intelligence, type 3 civ >stull vulnerable to high-explosive >too autistic to trade rocks that have no value to you to a species that assigns them worth
Don't frick with the trees, got it, now give rocks or location to other world without blueBlack folk and lots of rocks.
If they're a type 3 that wants to charge warships with spears on air horse for rocks be my guest but that doesn't really speak for the maturity of thought a type 3 civ is supposed to possess.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I suppose I should add if they do want war over some useless rocks when trade is an alternative, or just handing them over they have to be okay with said war at the communal brain-tree subconscious level, so humans really shouldn't feel bad about exterminating them en masse since such wars over resources and extinctions are apparently part of the naavi culture and life cycle and they're fine with that. >humans can't have rock and proceed to damage tree network in extraction >humans can, tree network damage minimised
A super intelligent neural net should really be able to see the obvious ramifications here and go for a peaceful option, but apparently it decides to clam up and go for tribal warfare instead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The only realistic way this franchise ends is Sully realising the na'vi and Pandora can't beat humanity if they get really serious about Pandora. He brokers some kind of framework for sharing the resources of Pandora, with either Sully or some other na'vi going to Earth and speaking at whatever the future equivalent of the UN is. It's the only way the series can end without Pandora's biosphere being obliterated from orbit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>with either Sully or some other na'vi going to Earth and speaking at whatever the future equivalent of the UN is
The first movie apparently had a deleted scene with a Na'vi ambassador on earth
2 years ago
Anonymous
vulnerable to high-explosive
They aren't though. Or at least, it's like saying that our civilization is "vulnerable" to spells cast in World of Warcraft since inside the game that can hurt stuff. Not sure what you're not getting here, apparently the entire pandora system is an artificial larp. So probably the entire core of the moon is like pure nanomachine factories and zero-point energy generators and closed-timelike-curve hypercomputers and shit. Humans can play around on the surface and that's fine, that's within the "game". >>too autistic to trade rocks that have no value to you to a species that assigns them worth
The rocks are likely made by the civilization too, the whole thing is synthetic, because floating islands are a fricking cool game setting. Why would they trade them unless humans just asked nicely? It's all larp. They don't actually "want" for anything if they specifically chose this. Maybe fighting humans is actually a new kind of fresh fun, just like fighting monsters in games. >A super intelligent neural net should really be able to see the obvious ramifications here
Lol what ramifications? It's all a game. It can squash the humans whenever it feels like it. Even if some of the players (Navi) "die" it doesn't even matter, either because they wanted to or because they're just uploaded, their game is saved. In this scenario it's humans who need to realize their position.
Which isn't really my favorite setting, but it wouldn't be internally self-inconsistent. The big issue is just the writing is bad.
The only realistic way this franchise ends is Sully realising the na'vi and Pandora can't beat humanity if they get really serious about Pandora. He brokers some kind of framework for sharing the resources of Pandora, with either Sully or some other na'vi going to Earth and speaking at whatever the future equivalent of the UN is. It's the only way the series can end without Pandora's biosphere being obliterated from orbit.
Sadly I think it's the opposite and it's going to be >"humans must learn to get alone and travel to plead with the super AI and show how they can become more civilized and give up their violent ways and then the super AI welcomes them and/or fixes Earth"
or some shit like that and everyone claps.
The "Universe" is just a megacorp in space that does as it pleases as it greatly influences any governments. Using the same W-Y brandings is just callbacks like the cameos and references in those marvel movies.
Using the Avatar setting for large scale epic stories about big human vs alien battles just feels like such a waste, it's not set up for it. Smaller, more personal stories would be more interesting and be a better way to show off the art design, which is all that anyone both working on and watching the movies cares about in the first place.
>Using the Avatar setting for large scale epic stories about big human vs alien battles just feels like such a waste, it's not set up for it. Smaller, more personal stories would be more interesting and be a better way to show off the art design, which is all that anyone both working on and watching the movies cares about in the first place.
Yeah, totally, and also make it much easier to write well and maintain suspension of disbelief. There isn't any need to involve THE FATE OF THE WORLD and all the baggage that comes with it one bit. In fact that'd even tie in better with the whole space indian thing because IRL that didn't involve "the fate of europe" (at least not directly either), like look at stupid that is, imagine that instead of what happen in our world in the 1700s Europe was literally suddenly facing certain doom and knew it, but a local kind. Some big volcanoes forming or something and magma and pumace slowly wrecking Europe I dunno. But the New World is completely fine, so suddenly every European power really did have to evac and setup shop there as a matter of existential necessity. That's actually kind of a neat setting to imagine but it sure as frick would change history in a big way, there'd be no dicking around everyone would send absolutely everything they had as fast as they could.
I think in general though that's a bad habit of big budget summer blockbuster type of stuff, they have to elevate the stakes. Sometimes it can still kinda work, but it can also just really not work. Here it was stupid.
Yeah, big hero's journey epics with lots of cg battles are what has historically sold the most so there's pressure, both explicit and internalized, to make everything fit that mold.
Sure but I feel like you can do big heroic epics but still have it be focused without silly stakes. Like, fate of a city, or maybe even a country, not The World. Or just fate of a family, or even just "a significant disaster but not earth shaking". Ah well.
that's so much more lame than the cosmic horror planet-spanning superintelligence that starts figuring out how to execute earth from light-years away over the movies plot I was hoping for
Only meganerds are interested in realistic space war or post-singularity type of stuff, gets too weird for most of the population. I've made my peace with that one. We're lucky to get a random autism game like Children of a Dead Earth once in a long while, that's about the most that can be expected.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean that's true, but they also took great pains to make the spacecraft in avatar be functional and hugely realistic, and had the master wayne barlowe do the alien designs, so it's not like cameron doesn't have the capacity to do this
and he's one of the few who could actually get someone to pay for it, with his record - at least before the thousand year delay for abatap 2
>1970s/1980s vehicles except a bit shinier and everyone loves those rotors
I'd say I was disappointed if I had any expectations after the first one but I didn't.
Except somehow I'm still irritated. Fricking /k/ autism, it doesn't actually make life more fun. Kind of wish I could just turn off my brain.
>I forgot how badly he ripped off Halo.
Frick off zoomer. That's an orca straight out of the original Command & Conquer, and the basic idea for that design probably goes back decades before.
DO YOU think that motherfrickers like James Cameron even KNOW about C&C?
Sure you can jack off and say this is the ORIGINAL, but it is now extremely irrelevant. Video games are already a thing that most execs don't give a shit about. You think they're going to boot up your archaic ass game to steal designs?
These morons forget that Cameron is taking best 2d and 3d designers in the world he can find then pay them shit tone of cash just so they can work full time for him exclusively for next 15+ years on Avatar and it sequels. moron thinks Cameron opened random retro game and steals all of design lmao
>Humanity are literally refugees seeking a new home to survive >Set up huge refugee camp on other races doorstep. >The native population don't like their new neighbors and yell at them to leave. >refugees refuse and retaliate >get attacked >These are the protagonists, because they use bow and arrows and alien horses.
Uhmm... leftistbros... why shouldn't they welcome refugees? Why don't the blue people want to accept our culture? Diversity is our strength.
I mean, did you genuinely not actually see the first film, or what? >Na'vi were generally chill about humans coming down, until humans disturbed the equilibrium too much with mining ops. >Engage in stand-off procedures to keep them away from shit. >Open up to a couple humies when they start trying to actually fit in, and learn about the world, and then begin to open up more once they hear their species plight. >Some humies bugger it up by being shit guests and trying to take everything they want by force. >Ergo Na'vi don't like them anymore.
I swear if people could get out of looking at philosophical dichotomies as mere political ones, the world would be so much more advanced then it is nowadays. A fundamental difference between the ways your species approach the perception of live is not a political statement.
something something magic dust makes using orbital cargo transport unviable despite the planet having frick all gravity, trees have eyes and knives, frick it we'll go back to shipping
also probably they'll be drilling for space oil in the seabed
So why can't they just bomb the tree from orbit?
Looking at this base Humanity clearly has the means. Also according to the lore Earth is dying and this is Humanity's last chance or they will go extinct as a race, so the gloves would be off people aren't going to restrict their combat methods when it's not the fate of one man, or a town, or even a country, but rather the fate of all men who exists now and who would ever exist. Humanity dies if they fail.
I did. The reasons stated are poor. Humanity gets wiped out if this fails, there is no way they would abide by silly space treaties when literally everyone dies if they get kicked off the planet.
I assume he's referring to that lower section >"The miners lock and load like the red-blooded redneck NRA supporters they are."
like yeah that's kind of an odd thing to have in a screenplay.
>like yeah that's kind of an odd thing to have in a screenplay.
It just seems like trying to provide better imagery for what he wants to me. Same with the "It looks like Woodstock in the jungle" at the top of the page rather than it just being a gathering.
2 years ago
Anonymous
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[...] >like the red-blooded NRA supporters they are
idk I think it's kinda funny, and it definitely gets across the imagery he's going for. Unprofessional, untrained, blue-collar workers being armed to the teeth and preparing for a military operation that will likely see them in way over their heads.
But it's dumb and dismissive, even for today. In America at least miners are professionals, they're very well trained, and use very advanced tech. All heavy industry is like that now, there are "less jobs" yeah but that's heavily because productivity per worker has skyrocketed. Like a BelAZ 75710 or Cat 797 is an incredible piece of technology and not something you just shove some highschool dropout into. Nobody going to fricking space whether they have a PhD or not is "unprofessional, untrained", blue-collar has nothing to do with it.
Freely admit this is all autism but I do wish more movies could treat all sides realistically as smart and capable even if "evil". The whole "if I don't like it/understand it those people are stupid" thing isn't just silly itself it also just gets boring. And it's a waste of cool potential.
2 years ago
Anonymous
also that thing empty weighs 360 tons (800000 lbs), has a cargo capacity of 450 tons (almost 1 million lbs), is 68 feet long and 27 feet high. Dual 2700 horse power engines.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>In America at least miners are professionals, they're very well trained, and use very advanced tech.
Yeah, professional miners, not soldiers.
Its the imagery youd give to coastal urbanites who think miners are scary BAD THINK POLITICS TEAM that don't like GOOD THING in CURRENT YEAR
Learn to take a joke snowflake.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Learn to take a joke
Lmao, the irony. You just got asshurt about a joke yourself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You seem to be projecting your overwhelming feelings of buttblastedness onto me.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, professional miners, not soldiers.
The post I responded to said "Unprofessional, untrained, blue-collar workers". And you don't need to be a "professional soldier" to be a professional with some military training. Army is full of that actually, tons and tons of specialist and support positions who are all pros but not infantry, but still know how to hold a gun. Or we can see in Ukraine how motivated people with the right training and kit can treat things very seriously and learn in a hurry.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know what the post said anon, I wrote it. My point was that his wording conveys a very vivid image. I read "The miners lock and load like the red-blooded NRA supporters they are" and I can see a rag tag crowd of burly men armed with more weaponry than they know what to do with. Is it an unflattering description? Sure, but he is describing the antagonists in his story, it's not meant to paint them in a positive light. They're filling the same role as comic book henchmen. Big, strong, intimidating, and not being paid to think.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Saying snowflake in current year. >he speaks in the tongue of the tard God.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Time to go get another booster, looney-troon!
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's literally a massive cope, if people acknowledged that the people they dislike or disagree with aren't actual drooling moronic then it forces them to have to actually think about their own ideals and how much water they hold rather than just accept them as gospel truth.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's ironic how leftists, who's main philosophy (in theory) revolves around making life better for the working man, all seem to utterly despise the actual working man.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I feel duty bound to remind you of Trotsky's Economic Brigades >you don't understand comrade, we ARE the dictatorship of the worker >we can't possibly oppress the workers, it is a contradiction in terms
2 years ago
Anonymous
did your parents or school ever have you tested because you were 'special,' or did they keep your literal moronation from you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
They hate people who actually work because it reminds them of how utterly impotent and lame they are themselves. Nobody who outwardly opines the mistreatment of 'the worker' actually does any work. Most people who do actually work for a living are proud of their work because they create real things. Or, at the very least are so goddamned busy trying to get their work done that they can't be bothered complaining or organizing. Many people resent what they can't have or do for themselves. That's why actual farmers, miners, electricians, road workers, construction, cowboys etc are so readily ragged on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>woodstock >over 50 years ago
Boomers really don't understand how far removed they are from reality.
>James Cameron literally scribbled in the screenplay how much he hates gun owners lol
Where exactly are you seeing that?
It kinda is given how they set the film up.
[...] >James Cameron literally scribbled in the screenplay how much he hates gun owners lol
Yep, he's like a somewhat better version of George Lucas but similar in that he cares more about special effects and shiny tech for brain dead writing and lets his stupid bias infect everything, he can't set that aside and write interesting stuff about things he doesn't like/understand. And he's too big a name now so nobody gets to proverbially slap him upside the head.
>like the red-blooded NRA supporters they are
idk I think it's kinda funny, and it definitely gets across the imagery he's going for. Unprofessional, untrained, blue-collar workers being armed to the teeth and preparing for a military operation that will likely see them in way over their heads.
>I know, I'll call him a cuck, that'll distract everyone from the fact that I'm less literate than a third grader.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>imagine trying to evade Avatar's obvious socialist environmental power fantasy subtext by mistaking a blatant anti 2A message woven into the script for some sort of subtly pitched insight about range proficiency
Literate enough for you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>socialist environmental power fantasy subtext
calling it subtext is a bit of a stretch, the entire film is spent beating the viewer over the head with it. >blatant anti 2A message woven into the script
It's scene direction, it's meant to paint a picture for the people in charge of casting, costume, and set design. Same with the earlier part about the Na'vi gathering looking like "Woodstock in the jungle."
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon, I don't agree with other anon and didn't like the move, but I think it's pretty obvious you're letting your own biases invent stuff that isn't there too. The movie doesn't have an "anti-2A" message holy shit, anymore than Star Wars did. As everyone says it's Space Pocahantas: The MMOG. There's not secret agenda it's just not very good writing. Cameron is most interested in film for visuals, the aesthetics of things. He wanted to create a setting to do this whole fancy special effects 3D thing (remember, this was a huge marketing point at the time, THE FIRST GOOD 3D FILM SEE ZE FUTURE 5 JILLION YEARS ON SUPER COMPUTER RENDER), the plot is pretty window dressing. And while sure it's lefty "white guilt" "the poor native americans" "the big bad capitalist exploiters" sort of thing that's not new or current culture wars. 2A simply doesn't enter in it at all, it's not a pacifist film on any side, it's not about civilian use of arms holy shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>like the red-blooded NRA supporters they are
Definitely no anti-2A messaging here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're projecting your own self-loathing onto that statement. The fact that you think it's derogatory says more about you than it does the script.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>like the red-blooded NRA supporters they are >Definitely no anti-2A messaging here.
Not really? It's just condescending ignorant signaling, like how /misc/nigs sling around "troony" at fricking everything. Did you actually see the movie or are you just reacting to that one page? Cameron is bubbled hollywood type or urbanite for sure, but in the movie both sides are armed with what they've got, traitor guy going native is fine using weapons if he can etc. If anything I suppose you could argue it's "pro-2A" in that it favorably depicts "civilian locals" defending themselves from "government military". They don't use "guns" since they don't have them but the spirit is the same. The story theme such as it is comes straight out of old school Noble Savage type of stuff, though with some scifi mixed in apparently to justify it. In more skilled hands it might even have been kind of ok.
2 years ago
Anonymous
also samegay here:
You're projecting your own self-loathing onto that statement. The fact that you think it's derogatory says more about you than it does the script.
>The fact that you think it's derogatory
Anon that's 100% derogatory. But again, it's the same as genericized racist/sexist slurs thrown around disconnected from any origin or a lot of other stuff, it's not actually literal because the people using them don't even have any clear grasp on what they mean in the first place. It's signaling, "yeah I don't like that Other", Cameron thinks these are trashy people and they are going to lose vs the heroes. But Cameron has no actual notion of what "NRA supporter" means or any of the complexity there. Like I'm of course pro-gun rights like presumably all of /k/ but I'm not at all an NRA supporter anymore because the organization got utterly corrupt and shit and became a machine to extra money from supporters and grift and market for shitty manufacturers. I've switched my memberships to ASA and other orgs instead that are younger and hungrier and focused on real world progress on specific issues I care about (like getting suppressors legal everywhere and hopefully someday getting them off the NFA entirely). Cameron doesn't know any of that or care. It means nothing more then "redneck" or "homosexual".
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Cameron doesn't know any of that or care. It means nothing more then "redneck" or "homosexual".
How the frick does that matter, he used "NRA supporters" as a catchall term for pro-gun people. He wouldn't give a frick if you are NRA or GOA or whatever.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jesus Christ, anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not sure what the screen shot is for or what you're confused by here. The movie Avatar doesn't have an anti-2A message (or any 2A message at all, though as I said if anything one could use it in favor; the Navi did need weapons), but neither is Cameron using "redneck NRA supporter" as a compliment. This isn't hard. Some things just don't involve current culture wars, but the people are still kind of buttholes about certain stuff.
Miners are historically some of the most downtrodden and oppressed people on earth. Even with all the technology we have today, they still have immense rates of workplace death and accident, and health issues caused by dust and debris. What has happened to empathy on this planet?
Small farmers too. Basically anyone who directly works in natural resource extraction. Urbanite working class isn't much better, and the people in charge of both like to pitch them against each other.
Unless someone experiences it for themselves it doesn't exist, simple as.
As much as we like to pretend that we've advanced beyond that "I'll believe it when I see it with me own two eyes" mentality we simply have not.
Who gives a frick the whole film was a wash that barely made sense and I'm pretty set on the idea it didn't do nearly as well as people pretend it did and was some kind of money laundering scheme.
from original idea for Avatar scriptment called 'Project 880'
>The RDA has an official charter from the ICA, the Interplanetary Commerce Administration (pronounced eye- kah), an international trade-regulating body run much like the EC is today. The charter allows them to exploit the resources of planets, moons, asteroids... whatever they find... as long as they follow the International Space Resources Treaty, and the other treaties which prohibit weapons of mass destruction and limit military power in space.
>Jim Cameron strikes me as being on the spectrum.
Maybe, though a lot of ultra creative types are also kind of whacked out in one way or another, there are more mental weirdness then assburgers and autism like so many on here have. Anyone part of the hollywood scene for all those decades as a mega success may have done some pretty crazy drugs at one point or another too.
It may also just be age and the almost universal result of so much success, where people start to lose track of their foundations and nobody can tell them they're wrong anymore. They end up getting too focused on surface stuff, and hanger ons can get bad. Seems like it's a real struggle not to end up in a total bubble and then get warped by it. And who in that business is going to say anything? Like for all our complaints and all Avatar might be somewhat wasted potential, as said earlier in the thread the damn thing made BILLIONS of fricking dollars. So I assume Cameron will get to do whatever the frick strikes his fancy and if the writing is still mediocre nobody will push back. And probably they're not even wrong, the movie is made for normies not us, and apparently it works. Maybe will still be fun to pick apart though. At least it doesn't involve 400 different movies like capeshit.
James Cameron owns an arsenal of NFA weapons including a full auto AK-47, and he's an outspoken gun control advocate. I'm pretty sure the term used for such people is "incredible fricking homosexual"
>James Cameron owns an arsenal of NFA weapons including a full auto AK-47, and he's an outspoken gun control advocate
End stage boomer
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you think about it, it's perfectly rational. He can pay any tax stamp. He can pass any background check. If they narrow it so much "only a paper signed by X sheriff/judge/governor can buy this," guess what? He's got the motherfricker on speed dial. He wins.
Eh, classic rich person "for me not for the serfs" thing. Remember anon that was literally what the NFA was written for. $200 at the time would be like $4400 in today's money, think about that, you get your stamp very fast but $4400 extra each time for a can or sbr or anything. The idea was only rich people would get things without restriction. Cameron is just another generation of "nobility". Wanting to keep commoners from weapons has a long history.
The gun store scene was pretty moronic >Selling full-autos guns over the counter to a weird guy who talks about plasma rifles and who is dressed like a punk for some reason >nooo you can't just load the gun with the ammo i left on the counter! too bad i don't have my own gun to defend myself
>too bad i don't have my own gun to defend myself
It genuinely wouldn't have changed the context of the scene at all but I suppose would have been funny
What's the point of creating mind controlled meat drones when you could use the same technology to just pilot actual mechanical drones not limited to the restrictions of squishy flesh and blood? Like you shoot a the avatar and it will still bleed to death, you shoot an armored machine spider and unless the CPU's been destroyed it will still be able to keep going with just slightly lessened capabilities.
I get the original intention was to infiltrate the locals, but once you get to the point of all out war it just seems needlessly convoluted
avatar 1 >burgers want funny space metal >try and fight natives but lose as they can fly on birds
avatar 2 >burgers still want funny space metal >now they're back with a better ground and air force >good luck humans, we're below 7 meters of water now >GODDAMNIT
>wesley snipes says that during a meeting as a throwaway dig at someone >exec loves it and wants to put it on the script >snipes was actually sane enough to say that the line was utter dogshit >still forced to say it in the film
I feel duty bound to remind you of Trotsky's Economic Brigades >you don't understand comrade, we ARE the dictatorship of the worker >we can't possibly oppress the workers, it is a contradiction in terms
Frick that, just make a factorio RTS set on Pandora. Theres a game sorta like it called Riftbreaker, where youre some lady in a powersuit building resource outposts, but theres only towers no units
>you know what, let's make our OWN blueBlack folk and put a human mind in them so we can infiltrate their networked ungabungas
Imagine your society being so powerful Genemodding and fast cloning is a cheaper alternative to a gradually expanding wall of self-repairing, flamethrower turrets on a jungle world.
These weapons are specifically manufactured for Na'vi ergonomics, the future M60 used on the first movie was an human issued LMG that was preferred by the human piloted Na'Vi because it was big enough for them.
lol anon it's a moronic gun and that's a moronic spec but your criticism is moronic too. I don't stick 40+ round mags in any of my handguns either but that doesn't mean I can't fire 'em faster than <1 per second. And it's only due to the law that you can't just get auto sears for whatever and have your handgun shoot 500-1200rpm (for a couple of seconds before even an extended mag is exhausted).
>muh full auto with a small mag
You're moronic. You don't need a pocket SMG that you need to reload in five seconds. If you want that, either get a larger mag or get a... wait for it... SMG. Sidearms are for sidearm things, like self-defense (this may require accuracy, not full auto, surprising I know) or as a secondary weapon if you can no longer use your primary (don't really see a reason for it to be full auto either).
I don't know why tacticool morons think full auto = better, but I guess that's just the moronation of modern times. What you need is a pistol with functionality, not a pistol that will throw off your aim and spend 10 rounds with one pull of the trigger.
I don't think you've ever shot a handgun in your life before anon. Because there isn't a semi-auto or revolver in existence that won't let you shoot faster than 1.5 seconds per round, like holy shit. Doing a quick accurate 5-groups at 10yd or less is seriously not a big deal, you should be able to do it. That it would burn through a mag faster doesn't matter, handguns aren't for sniping. "Up to 40 rounds per minute" is absurdly slow as a maximum, unless it's some super future plasma canon or something where each shot is homing and explosive. Sure doesn't look that way though.
I know this is /k/ but you should consider getting a few guns and training with them someday. It's fun as well as practical.
Unironically that would be an absolutely hilarious movie and twist but the raw amount of seethe it'd generate would probably make it unmarketable and it'd never ever get done in Hollywood. A basic problem with a budget of hundreds of millions of dollars is that your product has to make back like half a billion dollars or more which means you have to get enormous audiences which pushes towards making it more generic and "unoffensive". No personal morals or anything involved just brutal business calculations, you see it everywhere in any media. Though I wonder if the sheer novelty might get it a certain amount of sales.
No, we don't have to accept bad writing as "fact" for a comic making a joke of how it should have gone which necessarily involves imagining a changed move anon. Come on.
Though this has been a fun thread and actually changed my opinion on the movie a bit. Still not a fan but for somewhat different reasons, though from a /k/ autism perspective tons of stuff still pisses me off and was obviously done to setup people to lose.
>No, we don't have to accept bad writing as "fact"
Oh, then you know how it should have ended, the RDA should have just realized that Unobtanium is also found in regular tap water and gone home, what idiots they were for not doing that in the real movie.
Wow, some obscure line from the first movie (was it even a line in the film, or post-theatrical "canon") clears that all up, nothing to see here Goy, go enjoy Mr. Cameronstein's le epic movie.
What I really want to know is why even make this? The first movie was supposed to be a visual spectacle, and proof of concept that 3d films were the future. Well, welcome to the future; here, 3d glasses are dead tech and CGI is old hat. What's the appeal at this point?
>What I really want to know is why even make this?
To make lots of money. Hollywood loves its sequels and while autists like us were mad about aspects objective fact is the fricking movie had a box office of $2.9 billion. Yes, "billion", with a b. Normies and critics loved it. Any movie that makes over a billion is getting a sequel.
>Wow, some obscure line from the first movie (was it even a line in the film, or post-theatrical "canon") clears that all up, nothing to see here Goy, go enjoy Mr. Cameronstein's le epic movie.
What the frick kind of insane homosexual logic is "if you don't accept my inane, nonsensical criticism of something, you cant hate it at all"?
The fact that there's even a sequel to begin with is insane.
Realistically, post credits would have gone somewhere along the lines of: >RDA gets thrown off planet >"Hey Earth, the local natives kicked us off the planet full of that resource we need to survive and continue expanding" >Earth provides ICBMs >ICBMs fired at hivemind tree >Natives scattered and without a god >Nature stops cooperating with natives >Natives wiped out in a few months >Humans colonize and continue extracting resources unopposed
The only part I can agree with is that the gear looks cool.
>High powered pistol >40 rounds a minute
That doesn't sound right, either it literally kicks to hard to fire it any faster (making it fricking useless) or you're handloading each round.
I think they read the average rate of fire for a semi-auto rifle on Wikipedia, they usually list it like that.
Examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand >Rate of fire 40–50 rounds/min
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47 >Rate of fire Cyclic rate of fire: >600 rds/min[8] >Combat rate of fire: >Semi-auto 40 rds/min[8] >Bursts 100 rds/min[8]
>>Semi-auto 40 rds/min[8]
I remembered it because that number comes often in various Internet articles and Wikipedia boxes.
>tiny fricking magazine slid in like a cordless drill battery >8mm is "small" caliber >electrically fired, battery charged by hand motions like a fricking automatic winding watch >bullpup
the frick
>bragging about 40RPM rate of fire as if that was impressive >"high-powered pistol" >"assault round" >"long barrel for high muzzle velocity"
Normalhomosexuals should never be allowed to talk or have an opinion about weapons ever.
And a short story from 1957 about a paralyzed guy telepathically controlling a big blue artificial body to explore a hostile planet's surface. Cameron has never had an original concept in his life, he just learned to steal from dead authors who won't sue instead of living and extremely litigious ones like Ellison.
This is a little closer but still. "future primitive aesthetic" is a common thing, and "automaton controlled by the mind" is also an old concept. Neither were invented by those authors you posted.
>a megacorp from Earth wants to strip mine valuable resources from a jungle planet full of monsters and tall primitive cat people who live in connection with nature and can telepathically communicate with each other through a special organ but a human employee of the megacorp goes native and joins forces with the cats against the corporation and eventually win with the assistance of the planet itself which is actually a magical living force
Yeah dude pure coincidence
Still not watching it, Jim. I will go the grave never watching another Avatar movie and there is nothing you can do about it. There are billions more like me.
I can't believe the guy who made Aliens and Terminator 1/2 is still going all-in on this trash. His peers in sci-fi and action like Ridley Scott, John Carpenter, and Paul Verhoeven have all released a few stinkers, but they know better than to just keep charging ahead with something that nobody will like.
The original one was good. Not a "masterpiece" but in the context of summer block busters it had plenty of soul, though was getting iffier by the 3rd. But don't fall into the contrarian trap either, sometimes things that are acclaimed actually really do have a lot to them. Memorable human characters. Special effects were there but they weren't the point of it.
It was just a scifantasy-western setting classic heroic epic, nothing complex but executed perfectly decently. That's ok.
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2001 Space Odyssey was much better. Planet of the apes series was much better. They trained actual apes to speak and act and follow a written script which was an amazing feat for the 1960s and much more impressive than matchstick models of spaceships crashing into each other or whatever the frick is the main appeal of Star Wars supposed to be. Not to mention it's well written and delivers some nice social commentary on desegregation era America and the black liberation movement while Star Wars is just LE HITLER IN SPACE grade uninspired garbage for moronic children and homosexuals.
It's Midworld, by Alan Dean Foster.
IT'S LITERALLY SOMEONE ELSE'S SHITTY SEVENTIES SF NOVEL YOU STUPID KEKS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
GOD I WISH I COULD HATE YOU TO DEATH
Doug Holverson had a webcomic called Si Fy Guy, made to look like it was drawn in the 70's, and printed on a duplicator (ask your Dad, they smelled like liquorice), and the plot was that an obnoxious, stupid catgirl with big breasts travelled back from the future to the 70's on a very important mission but lost her Iphone with the time travel app, so a pair of toxic geeks travelled forwards to 2009, saw Cameron's Avatar, and came home with a couple armfuls of gadgets and manuals, becoming the AU versions of Bill Gates and Elon Musk, and also starting a franchise based on Avatar called "Catch-Em Catsos", a cartoon in a comic, drawn in 70's bigfoot style, like all those shitty cartoons from back then.
I really wish that maniac had found an artist for the comic, I wanted to see how that all played out.
"Up on the moon of Goobly
There lived the Catsos so happy and free
But then along came humanity.
Dragging along their industry.
But Sergeant Beech and Private Bailer
Will always meet up with failure
As long as they keep on tryin’
To catch Wumbilu and Dandelion!
You gotta be fast and never slow
If you want to Catch ‘Em Catsos!
Catch ‘Em Catsos! Catch ‘Em Catsos!"
There. I told you I wasn't on crack! I can't speak for Holverson, though, lol.
this is just like the knights of ren we're gonna see these homies fro two scenes and the second will be them getting rekt by the Jaksulli/Neyney family
I'd unironically enjoy the drama out of that. But I don't think it's anything like just because I don't think Earth is ever really going to feature at all in anything but flashbacks or newsreels. Unless it goes so full-moron that the navi get bioships spawned for them and final movie involves striking back at earth or something like that, but the leaks make it look like everything stays on pandora, or at least in the pandora system (like isn't pandora orbiting a gas giant or some shit? maybe that's a jupiter brain where a lot of the rest of the civ actually is).
He has fossizilized boomer brain /k/ would write a better story than Avatard
I think there should be trannies in if at least there could be a troony corporate CEO villain or trans AI but yeah the story needs trannies bad because controversy sells
There is no controversial material in the original film
>James Cameron is in this thread trying to get /k/ to write his crap for him.
I'd be ok with that, feel free to take anything I wrote man. In fact I was about to say when writing this reply "I don't think it's fixable though" but no that's not true. Cameron could easily lower the stakes and fix things in principle and mostly get it back on track. Just say that humanity has now figured out how to synthesize the magic rock or found other sources so Pandora is still valuable but isn't vital. Can the hole "new home for humanity" shit, that wasn't in the first film anyway. Have Earth be in improving shape with other colonization happening, and new governments elected who are pushing back against corporate overreach. Now the movie can have a normal setup where the company is still trying to get minerals, or perhaps to secretly get hyper technology, but they can't reveal that and their military support or tech access is restricted. There can be some good as well as bad humans, like inspectors growing suspicious about what they're really up to. 3-way or even 4/5-way interests and conflict options. It's still salvageable Cameron!
lol this thread gave me more to think bout with this setting then every other net thing up to now. thanks /k/ you autistic gun toting glorious bastards
>fires up to 40 rounds a minute
>fpbp
is this a subtle dig at weapon design looking too friendly? did we just find an area of google they haven't nerfed yet?
>THERE IS NO RAPID FIRING ALLOWED AT THIS RANGE SONNY
The avatar poster on PrepHole must be so pumped right now
ZHANG
so Jake Sully finally industrialized Africa?
No it sounds like the mining company did something productive and militarized its Avatar program.
> still creating their own 5th columns
ah I was wondering how they'd do this
I would rather die than serve next to one of these blue tree-huggers
>blue tree-huggers
These are clearly humans piloting the blue meat suits
>I would rather die than serve next to one of these blue tree-huggers
I disliked Avatar so know zilch about this sequel, but I'm 99% sure from that description that these are more of whatever those mind-swap hybrid body things? That those aren't the blue savages but rather a new set of adapteds except this time they're supposed to be special forces.
As for why they don't just use cyborgs or advanced genetically enhanced soldiers or something, well same reason they didn't promptly setup orbital fabricators and asteroid mining and orbital solar gathering and so on so that they could just have kinetic strike platforms and big phase array beam systems, or for that matter not just have VR piloting with armored vehicles or even just armored windshields perfectly immune to fricking bow and arrow, or have humans not be morons: because then humanity would roflstomp pocahantas and crew and that's not allowed in modern America.
Remember that Pandora is supposed to turn a profit so it makes sense that they would reuse their mind-swap things to save money.
Eh, again this is where the too big stakes fricks up your explanation. If it was like hundreds of miles or high grade platinum/osmium/iridium this would make sense, very much worth a shitload, but also not strategic. Private corp wants to make an absolute shit load of money and cuts corners and doesn't have access to humanity's best stuff, on the contrary is legally restricted (maybe you can even mix in subplots there about the corp being naughty and researching tech it's not legally supposed to or covering up law violations, exploiting sentients which is banned by claiming it has no idea there is planet wide sentience).
But instead it's magic high temp super conductor material that the entire Earth is now based on and worth a bajillion per kg and can be found nowhere else in the known universe. Which makes "well, we're just trying to turn a profit man" kinda start falling flat yeah?
But the stakes aren't as high as it seems. It's mentioned that RDA suppresses synthetic unobtainium research so they can justify their lucrative mining operation. It's very likely they also see Pandora colonization as a new profitable monopoly even if terraforming Earth is the cheaper and more sensible option.
>But the stakes aren't as high as it seems
Anon OP picture literally says
>to retake Pandora in order to provide a new home for humanity.
or from that city one
>the last hope for a dying Earth
that sounds pretty high stakes. That said
>it's mentioned that RDA suppresses synthetic unobtainium research
I honestly have zero recollection of that. But that still wouldn't make sense. If the material is that important, I'd expect governments to just nationalize RDA or something. Or be doing synthetic unobstanium R&D themselves. If RDA is the government, that doesn't explain the whole treaty license it's supposedly operating under, nor how weak it is. The excuse of not having real serious military presence is supposed to be that they're just an ordinary future megacorp and are trying to at least handwave at following the law or something.
Easiest thing to do is drop an autofac with Skynetware and Terminators.
Have them clean house, then mine the rock.
A terminator would be destroyed fairly quickly in a place like Pandora.
How is that pistol even supposed to work? The feed angle for that rifle holy shit why? Vltor stock to prevent use by bearded humans makes sense at least I suppose.
>How is that pistol even supposed to work?
why wouldnt it work? its just a tmp uzi or mac config
>will have some badass weapons
Where? I don't see any posted. It's just pathetic shit done so we can have another installment of trash where "evil civilization technology" gets beaten by dindunuthin innocent noble savages. That is just pathetic gear for centuries down the line with super human strength.
Blatantly ripping off Extrema Ratio with that knife.
That exaggerated 2 finger choil is like a brand recognition thing.
Naavi pussy
>retake pandora to provide a new home for humanity
No no nonononoNOOOOOOOO
THATS SUCH A SHIT IDEA FOR A SEQUEL ARE TOU KIDDING QHY DO WE WANT A PLANET WE HAVE TO TERRAFORM, WHY CANT WE FIND A PLANET THAT DIESNT HAVE LETHAL LEVELS OF CO2
why the fricking hell are we not just slapping a bunch of our plants into that atmosphere. they use CO2 as food for crying out loud; and in the process they create more oxygen for us. since the pandoran jungle doesn't provide enough oxygen (but plenty of CO2) then terraforming wouldn't even be a challenge.
My brother in eywa, the planet is ALIVE. It could choose to kill any non-native plant introduced by humans to usurp thr native species.
I am unconvinced that it wouldn't just be shredded by Earth bacteria and Kudzu.
Earth has some incredibly nasty lifeforms, and how two ecosystems interact is extremely random.
When you introduce something like, say, Algae into a planet that has nearly unlimited Co2 for them to eat they're going to reproduce like crazy if conditions are right.
Keep in mind, plants are not defenseless. Nor are microbes. You have a billion years of evolution backing you, which has primed your digestive system with the equivalent of an entire eon of anti-virus patches and security updates to deal with their defences.
If you pulled a dinosaur out of the Jurassic and tried to feed it most plants alive today, it'd die of toxic shock.
At best, most Earth bacteria and plants would be indigestible - at worst, they'd be fatal for the native life.
Of course the outcome is totally random but hey, throw shit at the wall until something sticks.
My money is on Kudzu.
Since apparently this is actually some hyper tech synthetic world bya Type 3 (jesus) civ with a massive governing AI eh, suppose it gets to beat natural evolved life forms. Though that doesn't explain why it bothers allowing humans to frick with it at all, or maybe that's part of the larp, "oh boy we get to let some primitives be npc enemies for players" basically and if humans tried to do anything serious they'd be wiped immediately but it's fine so long as they play within the rules.
You can pretty much deus ex machina whenever you want if there is an actual literal deus ex involved.
Recall that in the first movie when it appeared the Na'vi were actually losing, Eywa responded with "order literally every animal on the planet to attack the humans en masse," which is something it apparently could have done at any point but chose not to, and which surprised even the Na'vi when it actually happened
Eywa or whatever is never once implied to be a constructed AI or whatever gay fanfic.
Also, it didn't seem to have a problem with the humans mining it's dandruff and killing it's skin mites until we destroyed one of its nerve centers and Jake told it they were going to do it again and also try to poison it to death.
At that point it still didnt help the Navi until it was absolutely clear that the humans were trying to bomb another nerve center at which point it immediately brain jacked every animal into killing the humans and rewarded Jake for being a good mortal pet.
Really we were trying diplomacy with the wrong thing, the planet monster is the one in charge.
>Eywa or whatever is never once implied to be a constructed AI or whatever gay fanfic.
Except for the part where every being on the planet has USB ports and artificial bones in their "anatomy"
all that implies is that their evolution was effected by the planet monster, not that the monster itself was designed.
Hey if additions to the canon alter the situation, that's fine. I'm not heavily invested in the sanctity of Avatar lore. Right now it's fanon, later it may be canon, neither of these things is upsetting.
Hey man I'm just going by
and taking it at face value. And as
says yes, it'd explain a lot in terms of how fricking weird Pandora is as a natural occurrence, why it has a magic super material (if it's some stabilized degenerate or strange matter or something made by hyper tech) etc. If that spoiler is wrong like everyone originally thought it was fine.
>Eywa or whatever is never once implied to be a constructed AI or whatever gay fanfic.
You are going to be so mad when the sequels come out, because the "it's all AI" leak comes from the same guy who leaked the Seed Bearer/Tulkun Rider names, four fricking years ago
This, but less skin mites and more initial immune response.
Na'vi had a place, and that was using their giant brains to ensure environmental homeostasis. Hence their whole cultural perceptions on hunting and killing or wrangling animals.
sex is ~800 million years old iirc, I think we can regard that as the first major antivirus patch
The planet is not only concious, it has control down to the level of individual animals and perhaps even microbes. It could just actively choose to eliminate species it didn't want there, or worse use whatever schizo space magic sustains it to take over anything you introduced and turn it into more of itself. It's already proved it can jack into a human nervous system if it wants to which should be super impossible.
If panspermia is real then the planet would never get sick at all barring a few instances
It would genuinely be easier to terraform Earth back into habitability than to deal with Pandora's bullshit.
sub kino incoming
Crab kino
>Has become crab
The perfect being
Link to the rest?
>not nuking the na'vi from orbit
>not firebombing the evertree or whatever the frick their shitass home was called
and more to the point
>remembering anything about this movie beyond general plot points
from original idea for Avatar scriptment called 'Project 880'
>The RDA has an official charter from the ICA, the Interplanetary Commerce Administration (pronounced eye- kah), an international trade-regulating body run much like the EC is today. The charter allows them to exploit the resources of planets, moons, asteroids... whatever they find... as long as they follow the International Space Resources Treaty, and the other treaties which prohibit weapons of mass destruction and limit military power in space.
>and the other treaties which prohibit weapons of mass destruction and limit military power in space
It doesn't sound like it covers incendiary ordinance.
just drop a rock bro like its just an accident bro asteroids happen bro
Oops, we accidentally dropped a hundred tons on anhydrous hydrazine on the xenos and it caught fire. Terrible shame.
>an international trade-regulating body run much like the EC is today
>tfw still no EU army
>tfw no American-Union with it's own army...
Unironically, the ICC, NATO and the World Bank should be merged into a single organization
Yeah bring back the Dutch East India Co.
This is some 40k level of "we need to explain a plot hole so use some sci fi garble to make it go away"
>anon discovers the concept of fiction
it's all made up, shocking I know
sick reading comprehension homosexual, did you just learn the word fiction and now you're trying to show off?
are you mad that the movie about blue Pocahontas doesn't explain its plot holes well enough? could it be that you're upset that James Cameron's masturbatory cgi tech fest has the bare minimum flimsiest plot imaginable?
This is part of Avatar script that was literally written in 1995 anon
>This is some 40k level of "we need to explain a plot hole so use some sci fi garble to make it go away"
No it's not, as we talked about earlier in the thread, it's completely believable in isolation, the problem is the movie's stakes. If we look at IRL, there are indeed international laws around mining and resources in international waters, what sorts of force companies can have on ships, stuff like that. It's fairly thin and not super enforced, but we don't actually see private battleships cruising around even though companies do hire PMCs for 3rd world countries because in general it's not a big deal. That's clearly what Avatar was going for in part: a hybrid of Space South America and early America. SA mining companies in the Amazon or something, destroying stuff because they're after gold, they've got private security that is better armed then the natives. And that's very realistic for stuff which is certainly nice to have but also has plenty of other sources.
This thread has made me rethink and convinced me that beyond normal complaints like mediocre writing, the real original sin here is the stakes/subject. Movie would have worked fine if it was just a big megacorp looking to make a ton of cash without any major other stakes, if Pandora was one interesting valuable find amongst many and humanity had a few dozen planets/starbases by that point. So big deal for the company for sure, hell maybe entire future of the company rests on it, they'll go bankrupt otherwise. Company is motivated to spend tens of billions, serious money in one respect. But not trillions, and it's not something that's going to get governments up in arms beyond under the table corp bribe stuff. Public isn't going to approve of them genociding if it media gets wind, politicians would also throw them under a bus even if previously bribed. Governments paranoid about companies becoming rivals so keeping a close eye on miltech.
Now we've got a sensible setting that explains things.
I'm not reading all that gay and you're proving my point
So basically you're a literal moron but also feel entitled to complain about plot holes. OK gay.
40k does this same shit in the same way and people in the 40k community write novels of insane shit in defense of it all the time
The majority of the 40k community is well aware that 40k is moronic. They made it that way on purpose, as a joke.
Surely
IRL international treaties and mining companies and PMCs aren't whatever this "40k" thing you've got up your dumb butthole is anon.
>Sci-fi babble in defense of even more sci-fi babble
You should go write for Games Workshop
You need to be over 18 to post on PrepHole.
Hope you have nightmares about those little blue homosexuals getting nuked from space
Since that's something I advocated not sure why you think it'd be a nightmare. I mean, if you were 18 or older anyway, as it is pretty obvious why you have difficulty following adult conversations and base all your "thinking" around this "40k" series.
you cannot be serious my man
holy frick you are an insufferable moron. i was just browsing the thread but you stood out as an insufferable moron.
A spacefaring civilazation has so many fricking ways of genociding whatever's on the planets surface without using strictly military tech that it's not even fricking funny that Cameron expects for this argument to hold up with anyone but the most brainless consoomers
>with anyone but the most brainless consoomers
who apparently number in the hundreds of millions so cameron got the last laugh on that one
You don't need "nukes" in space anon. Any engine powerful enough to make a fricking high speed interplanetary journey, let alone an interstellar one, is already a "weapon of mass destruction" or could be. A couple tons of mass at a few percent lightspeed is already getting into the tens of megatons tnt worth of energy.
Not him but that doesn't line up with the foundational stuff stated in the movie that this was the only source of this magic high temp superconductor stuff which is utterly vital for Earth. A problem then to me is that they did the moron hollywood thing of making the stakes so high that then the rest doesn't make sense. The movie would be a LOT better and more believable if Pandora was merely one of dozens of worlds/moons Humanity was using, and it just had like, a lot of Platinum or something. Yes, that's very valuable, of course some private mining firm would want to exploit it. But because the stakes would be "private firm seeking profit" it's also believable they'd still be constrained by law, that there'd be environmental protesters on the human side too, private mercs would be dumb etc. I could have just rolled with that.
Instead though it's setup as an ultra important strategic resource. Something like THAT would promptly get nationalized, or at least have military level power on hand, or authorization to use it. They tried to create drama by saying this was important to billions of human lives. Once you have that kind of stakes the rest falls apart, it'd be treated like other similar things in history where the government intervenes whether it fricks the locals or not.
I'm not shitposting, and this is an actual spoiler for the overarching plot of the franchise that leaked years ago and nobody believed it because it was so fricking stupid, but then it matched the sequel names:
The Na'Vi aren't primitive or savages. They're a Type III godlike hyper-advanced race that intentionally gave themselves carbon fiber bodies with USB nervous systems, then colonized a planet they completely engineered themselves from the ground up, all so they could do an elaborate anprim LARP for the rest of eternity, and their god Eywa is in fact a biological supercomputer, which is why it does mind uploading/reincarnation/ordering fricking snakes and rhinos to attack with the coordination of military units/etc
Oh FFS (not at you anon, I believe you, and I can see Cameron being that moronic). It's still extra stupid, and not simply because it's a silly premise. I can actually kinda sorta go with it. Basically by definition a strongly superhuman intelligence/post-singularity civilization is impossible for us to fully comprehend, and what meaning does anything have anyway? Maybe it ends up being super fricking boring to a race to have zero risk or connection to IRL anymore, so they do in fact setup some crazy larp. For a Type 3 that'd be trivial, plenty of humans right now would larp forever in a VR world if they could let alone something more. So sure fine.
But that still doesn't cover HUMANITY'S actions. Like it'd explain why humanity would go all out, but then lose. It could also be cool in the scenario I setup, where a private mining company after something valuable but not strategic gets squashed and comes to believe there is some super thing here but nobody believes them. And maybe the super intelligence subtly influences politics, infiltrates human networks, and sets up an environmental movement to "let Pandora stay unsullied!" but still allows some humans on there for larp fun. You could do something around that. But the problem here is how the humans don't act like humans. Making the primitives actually secretly not be isn't a bad twist necessarily in the hands of a non-shit writer, but humans shouldn't be artificially moronic either.
>Capitalism makes humans act like morons and cut any corners they can even when the resource is vital.
More news at 11.
gr8b8m8 8/8
No gun
Explain Russia post USSR
Sure just post your gun first.
makes humans act like morons and cut any corners they can even when the resource is vital.
>More news at 11.
Anon you replied to, but real world doesn't quite bear this out anon. Yes, capitalism without reasonable checks and balances can frick up. But if we look at critical strategic resources like oil or the like, we generally see government keeping a pretty close watch and the KINDS of frickups matter. Like sure, oil majors have had bad safety sometimes which have resulted in major ecological damage. But that's government letting them get away with more in favor of more production cheaper (externalizing costs). That's not the same thing as some hostile party actively interfering with production. When THAT has happened, we have very frequently seen governments flat out go to war over it. Or at least seek to put their thumbs heavily on the scale or more or less overt ways. For many countries energy is straight up nationalized, or if it isn't on paper it's mega regulated or under the control of stooges of those in power or similar. Even in democracies strategic resource areas tend to have serious government involvement.
So if the entire fate of the human species rested on Pandora, and the corp isn't itself already the government, and suddenly production was threatened by native attacks, I'd 100% expect to see full scale military involvement. Particularly in this case where on paper humanity doesn't see anything opposing of a strategic nature which would push towards something covert.
Of course I'd also expect to see a crash course in figuring out how to synthesize it for find alternatives just in case, but if it's hundreds of generations beyond our technology that might not be possible in the near term.
>Yes, capitalism without reasonable checks and balances can frick up.
>It's the government's fault for not properly regulating them.
That's because the capitalists buy control of the government. America is a perfect example of this where Corporations were awarded the same rights, but not same liabilities, of a human being and money is free speech while at the same time, the public is not allowed to see who gets the money, thanks the the conservative controlled supreme court.
And considering how vital unobtainium was, you'd think the company would do a better job for security rather than hiring mercenaries who have to retro outfit their equipment to have military applications. But that's them cutting corners to make more money.
Post gun
Corporations are so rich because they don't have to pay rent for any of their facilities or upkeep any of their buildings. Because they arleady have all the space they need inside your empty head rent-free schitzo.
On a serious note
There is a big fricking difference between outsourcing production to a shithole country to save costs on safety etc and skimping on security for a mining operation granting you a monopoly on energy on Earth and thus immense influence and wealth, especially when the asset granting you that resource is constantly under threat by the entire fricking planet trying to kill it.
>the difference is... IT WOULDN'T FRICKING HAPPEN
I guarantee if this movie actually made sense, a corporation with a monopoly for energy on the entire planet would be THE de facto world goverment and would have so much influence it could do whatever the frick it wanted and would have so much money there would be nothing within 100km of their base except for mud, minefields, autonomus combat drones and loitering munitions covered by an AA system capable of killing a mosquito from half a hemisphere away.
Top-quality posts. Thank you anon I enjoyed your analysis.
>humans shouldn't be artificially moronic either
They're still geniuses compared to the Starship Troopers humans
Midwit take, movie starship troopers was accidentally based, tripping over itself failing to be as gay as it intended to be.
Suck my wiener pseud lol
Post gun troony.
That's not really that moronic
It kinda is given how they set the film up.
>James Cameron literally scribbled in the screenplay how much he hates gun owners lol
Yep, he's like a somewhat better version of George Lucas but similar in that he cares more about special effects and shiny tech for brain dead writing and lets his stupid bias infect everything, he can't set that aside and write interesting stuff about things he doesn't like/understand. And he's too big a name now so nobody gets to proverbially slap him upside the head.
that actually makes sense, the guy that designed all the aliens for the movie says the blue savages people are as alien as humans are in the planets evolutionary history
It always bothered me that the entire biosphere is 6 limbed while the Navi have 4. If that is the plan, it actually makes sense.
>blue savages people are as alien as humans are in the planets evolutionary history
Doubt, considering how the the na'vi have the same usb port hairpiece as every other creature, which lets them mind meld with the paradactyls and shit.
it's mainly the alien designer seething because his blue space monkey design got canned because the director said it would make it seem like bestiality. when the designer said what's the problem it's bestiality anyway he got screamed at. the Navi were created by a different guy than all the other animals, that's why they are so different.
I actually despise the movie by my twin brother is a super fan so I'm going to get roped into seeing this new one.
>I actually despise the movie by my twin brother is a super fan so I'm going to get roped into seeing this new one.
My sympathies. Amusingly this thread has made me hate the movie mildly less and switch over to more dull disappointment, but like you I wouldn't watch it except I've got a family fan and will probably have to go watch the fricking thing eventually. Though I think I'll at least be able to get it put off until the theaters around here are mostly empty.
This is silly. Who cares. It should've been a spin off.
>The Na'Vi aren't primitive or savages. They're a Type III godlike hyper-advanced race that intentionally gave themselves carbon fiber bodies with USB nervous systems, then colonized a planet they completely engineered themselves from the ground up, all so they could do an elaborate anprim LARP for the rest of eternity, and their god Eywa is in fact a biological supercomputer, which is why it does mind uploading/reincarnation/ordering fricking snakes and rhinos to attack with the coordination of military units/etc
That would be fricking hilarious if it turns out that they used this plot-twist.
that's so much more lame than the cosmic horror planet-spanning superintelligence that starts figuring out how to execute earth from light-years away over the movies plot I was hoping for
this reminds of some the stories about alien planets in that one super old imaginary scifi galaxy compendium thing
there was shit like a planet was covered in grass but something was weird about it and it turned out each blade of grass "whispered" to others and it was an infinitely regenerating biological super computer inside which a virtualised civilisation lived
With a slightly different presentation that could be fun in a shlocky way
I kinda like the idea, but the planetary superintelligence would be rad too
Still dont loik em, nuke em all.
We could have had a humanity frick yeah movie about humans coming back to retake Pandora with an actual military and kicking anprim ass
Instead we get this LE EBIC ALEINZ SMARTEN AND BETTAH THAN HUMONZ!! HUMONZ BAD AND STUPID TWIST!!
Avatar was the last thing that could get me back into a cinema and if this shit is true then i'm outta here
humans are a stand in for white people anon.
I mean, humans ARE white
I kind of wish it was like Blood Meridian where the whites are merciless killers but the Commanche are full on demonic rapist cannibal savages and the Black folk are dullard NPCs with no empathy
Instead we got Pocahontas in space
DAILY REMINDER
DAILY REMINDER
DAILY REMINDER
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY
>retake Pandora in order to provide a new home for humanity
I thought the whole point of being on Pandora in the first movie was resource extraction, and that the planet was extremely inhospitable to humans with an atmosphere that's pure poison, most animals on the planet having evolved carbon nanotube bones and skin, and dinosaur tier megafauna that's unfazed by antitank weapons.
shhhh, please don't think hard about cameron's genius anon
>1 cameronium worth of fuel has been added to your time-machine
Thank you for your service joosh
This is quadruple moronic because they're raising the stakes EVEN FURTHER. Like first it'd be far, far, FAR easier to just build a new home for humanity in our solar system with orbital habs. Or terraforming Mars or building underground colonies on Ganymede or Titan or something (drill holes a few hundred km down, detonate a bunch of clean nukes, boom cavern hundreds to thousands of square miles with hundreds of km of rock/ice shielding above it). Like sure that's hard, but it's less hard and less energy then trying to move people or much mass at all to another fricking star system. You get to tune the hab right to our needs and then "easily" relatively speaking transport tons of mass off of Earth. So the whole premise is moronic.
But second with those stakes one would naturally expect a full on army, strategic weapons, the works. Hell, genetically engineered plagues, which unlike human v human fighting is actually low risk good return here because it's an entirely different species. Which means the natives insta-lose. What a fricking moron.
Is this the same universe as Aliens?
Because if it is, Cameron is even more moronic than the post of you 2 anons imply.
>Is this the same universe as Aliens?
I can't remember even a hint of that, and I'm gonna say no because IIRC in the Aliens universe Earth is still fine and heavily inhabited in the 2300s, it's just no longer the center of humanity as much because most of the critical jobs and mass manufacturing etc has moved to space and colonies (which would be another difference, massive amounts of space infrastructure and colonies everywhere). You're right that'd be extra stupid but I don't think it's the same just because Cameron. No sign of Weyland-Yutani and no way they wouldn't have a hand in something like this lol.
avatar set in 2150s iirc, weyland-yutani formed 2099 so yeah theyd be active. sorry for nerd shit.
right so basically this is irl mmorpg. blue folks are the players. planet ai is devs/game master. even if 'killed' playing the game blue folks get to save and reload their character. humans are npcs as is wildlife etc. human arrival is exciting new expansion pack content. but if they try to cheat or hack the game or interfere with story too much b&
>right so basically this is irl mmorpg. blue folks are the players. planet ai is devs/game master. even if 'killed' playing the game blue folks get to save and reload their character. humans are npcs as is wildlife etc. human arrival is exciting new expansion pack content. but if they try to cheat or hack the game or interfere with story too much b&
Also makes sense then how they get to drag out the game for another 4 movies. Guess the planetary GM AI will keep making "balance patches" and ensuring all the navis have a good time until their inevitable heroic victory.
Wait so their religion is a massive farce lol, someone post the general with that ‘over your graves the stars will belong to us’ pic
>Wait so their religion is a massive farce lol, someone post the general with that ‘over your graves the stars will belong to us’ pic
I actually always really enjoyed that image, but unfortunately if that spoiler and anons are correct their religion very much isn't a farce and the image no longer is right but rather ironic. Their god really ARE real in that case, and Type 3 civilization is god level power. The stars literally already belonged to them. If they've completely given that up then humanity now has a chance too, but wouldn't change they owned it all and could have squashed our world at any point. And they may well have left latent reactivation capability, or maybe only some of their civ chose to larp while the rest is still out there.
Wouldn't be the first fiction by a long shot (decades and decades) where you shouldn't judge aliens by first appearances since extremely advanced tech might not actually be recognizable at first and there are good game theory reasons advanced civilizations might want to be "quiet" rather then "loud" (like humanity is IRL). That's one of the solutions to the Great Filter.
I still don't like how the film is written or presented though and don't like the look of this next one either. And it's probably now going to turn into some "humanity has to find super ai node and show they are sorry and work together with navi to get saved" shit now.
I mean, if they're a type 3 civ, why would Pandora be the only place they exist on?
Ergo the movie plot is.
>"Hey the natives kicked us off the planet we need to survive."
>Gets ICBM's and full military support.
>ICBM's get blown out of space by technology no one comprehends, and military support gets ganked Alien style, by small groups of individually flawless killing machines.
>The moon turns to them and tells most of them to frick off, sort their shit out and come back when they're willing to act like grown ups.
>Except you guys, you can stay. If you're down.
Probably won't happen, and I would be disappointed if it's the case, but I will kek at the sheer amount of blueball seethe it'll generate.
>I mean, if they're a type 3 civ, why would Pandora be the only place they exist on?
Well by definition we can't actually comprehend a civ like that. Maybe a bunch of them literally did everything they wanted to do and are just done, and then fully regressed on their MMOG moon to give themselves some real "stakes" and perhaps grow again someday. Or just play until the star burns out or something. Or perhaps some did that and the ones that disagreed all decided to go exploring other galaxies entirely and are now billions of light years away, unreachable in a hurry even for them. Like, with god level intelligences you can justify almost anything, it could all be part of some inscrutable eon-long plan. That's a basic problem with bringing that level of being into a story that takes itself seriously, very hard to write well.
>God-level intelligence, type 3 civ
>stull vulnerable to high-explosive
>too autistic to trade rocks that have no value to you to a species that assigns them worth
Don't frick with the trees, got it, now give rocks or location to other world without blueBlack folk and lots of rocks.
If they're a type 3 that wants to charge warships with spears on air horse for rocks be my guest but that doesn't really speak for the maturity of thought a type 3 civ is supposed to possess.
I suppose I should add if they do want war over some useless rocks when trade is an alternative, or just handing them over they have to be okay with said war at the communal brain-tree subconscious level, so humans really shouldn't feel bad about exterminating them en masse since such wars over resources and extinctions are apparently part of the naavi culture and life cycle and they're fine with that.
>humans can't have rock and proceed to damage tree network in extraction
>humans can, tree network damage minimised
A super intelligent neural net should really be able to see the obvious ramifications here and go for a peaceful option, but apparently it decides to clam up and go for tribal warfare instead.
The only realistic way this franchise ends is Sully realising the na'vi and Pandora can't beat humanity if they get really serious about Pandora. He brokers some kind of framework for sharing the resources of Pandora, with either Sully or some other na'vi going to Earth and speaking at whatever the future equivalent of the UN is. It's the only way the series can end without Pandora's biosphere being obliterated from orbit.
>with either Sully or some other na'vi going to Earth and speaking at whatever the future equivalent of the UN is
The first movie apparently had a deleted scene with a Na'vi ambassador on earth
vulnerable to high-explosive
They aren't though. Or at least, it's like saying that our civilization is "vulnerable" to spells cast in World of Warcraft since inside the game that can hurt stuff. Not sure what you're not getting here, apparently the entire pandora system is an artificial larp. So probably the entire core of the moon is like pure nanomachine factories and zero-point energy generators and closed-timelike-curve hypercomputers and shit. Humans can play around on the surface and that's fine, that's within the "game".
>>too autistic to trade rocks that have no value to you to a species that assigns them worth
The rocks are likely made by the civilization too, the whole thing is synthetic, because floating islands are a fricking cool game setting. Why would they trade them unless humans just asked nicely? It's all larp. They don't actually "want" for anything if they specifically chose this. Maybe fighting humans is actually a new kind of fresh fun, just like fighting monsters in games.
>A super intelligent neural net should really be able to see the obvious ramifications here
Lol what ramifications? It's all a game. It can squash the humans whenever it feels like it. Even if some of the players (Navi) "die" it doesn't even matter, either because they wanted to or because they're just uploaded, their game is saved. In this scenario it's humans who need to realize their position.
Which isn't really my favorite setting, but it wouldn't be internally self-inconsistent. The big issue is just the writing is bad.
Sadly I think it's the opposite and it's going to be
>"humans must learn to get alone and travel to plead with the super AI and show how they can become more civilized and give up their violent ways and then the super AI welcomes them and/or fixes Earth"
or some shit like that and everyone claps.
The "Universe" is just a megacorp in space that does as it pleases as it greatly influences any governments. Using the same W-Y brandings is just callbacks like the cameos and references in those marvel movies.
Using the Avatar setting for large scale epic stories about big human vs alien battles just feels like such a waste, it's not set up for it. Smaller, more personal stories would be more interesting and be a better way to show off the art design, which is all that anyone both working on and watching the movies cares about in the first place.
>Using the Avatar setting for large scale epic stories about big human vs alien battles just feels like such a waste, it's not set up for it. Smaller, more personal stories would be more interesting and be a better way to show off the art design, which is all that anyone both working on and watching the movies cares about in the first place.
Yeah, totally, and also make it much easier to write well and maintain suspension of disbelief. There isn't any need to involve THE FATE OF THE WORLD and all the baggage that comes with it one bit. In fact that'd even tie in better with the whole space indian thing because IRL that didn't involve "the fate of europe" (at least not directly either), like look at stupid that is, imagine that instead of what happen in our world in the 1700s Europe was literally suddenly facing certain doom and knew it, but a local kind. Some big volcanoes forming or something and magma and pumace slowly wrecking Europe I dunno. But the New World is completely fine, so suddenly every European power really did have to evac and setup shop there as a matter of existential necessity. That's actually kind of a neat setting to imagine but it sure as frick would change history in a big way, there'd be no dicking around everyone would send absolutely everything they had as fast as they could.
I think in general though that's a bad habit of big budget summer blockbuster type of stuff, they have to elevate the stakes. Sometimes it can still kinda work, but it can also just really not work. Here it was stupid.
Yeah, big hero's journey epics with lots of cg battles are what has historically sold the most so there's pressure, both explicit and internalized, to make everything fit that mold.
Sure but I feel like you can do big heroic epics but still have it be focused without silly stakes. Like, fate of a city, or maybe even a country, not The World. Or just fate of a family, or even just "a significant disaster but not earth shaking". Ah well.
Only meganerds are interested in realistic space war or post-singularity type of stuff, gets too weird for most of the population. I've made my peace with that one. We're lucky to get a random autism game like Children of a Dead Earth once in a long while, that's about the most that can be expected.
I mean that's true, but they also took great pains to make the spacecraft in avatar be functional and hugely realistic, and had the master wayne barlowe do the alien designs, so it's not like cameron doesn't have the capacity to do this
and he's one of the few who could actually get someone to pay for it, with his record - at least before the thousand year delay for abatap 2
For me it's the Mk. IV Manlet Compensator
>While their tools and copes may change… Manlets, manlets never learn.
new base
heavy gear
>1970s/1980s vehicles except a bit shinier and everyone loves those rotors
I'd say I was disappointed if I had any expectations after the first one but I didn't.
Except somehow I'm still irritated. Fricking /k/ autism, it doesn't actually make life more fun. Kind of wish I could just turn off my brain.
I forgot how badly he ripped off Halo.
>I forgot how badly he ripped off Halo.
Frick off zoomer. That's an orca straight out of the original Command & Conquer, and the basic idea for that design probably goes back decades before.
DO YOU think that motherfrickers like James Cameron even KNOW about C&C?
Sure you can jack off and say this is the ORIGINAL, but it is now extremely irrelevant. Video games are already a thing that most execs don't give a shit about. You think they're going to boot up your archaic ass game to steal designs?
Why is that so hard to believe lmao
John Carpenter is a 75 year old fart and he plays zoomer shit like RDR2 and Last of Us
These morons forget that Cameron is taking best 2d and 3d designers in the world he can find then pay them shit tone of cash just so they can work full time for him exclusively for next 15+ years on Avatar and it sequels. moron thinks Cameron opened random retro game and steals all of design lmao
To be fair, Halo ripped off Aliens big time. So it's just them paying homage to each other.
>centuries in future with intersteller super tech
>last hope for earth
>looks right out of 1960s or something
ok.
>le evil factory spewing out black smoke
>Humanity are literally refugees seeking a new home to survive
>Set up huge refugee camp on other races doorstep.
>The native population don't like their new neighbors and yell at them to leave.
>refugees refuse and retaliate
>get attacked
>These are the protagonists, because they use bow and arrows and alien horses.
Uhmm... leftistbros... why shouldn't they welcome refugees? Why don't the blue people want to accept our culture? Diversity is our strength.
When nonwhites do it, they’re refugees. When whites do it, they’re colonizers. Logical consistency? What’s that?
I mean, did you genuinely not actually see the first film, or what?
>Na'vi were generally chill about humans coming down, until humans disturbed the equilibrium too much with mining ops.
>Engage in stand-off procedures to keep them away from shit.
>Open up to a couple humies when they start trying to actually fit in, and learn about the world, and then begin to open up more once they hear their species plight.
>Some humies bugger it up by being shit guests and trying to take everything they want by force.
>Ergo Na'vi don't like them anymore.
I swear if people could get out of looking at philosophical dichotomies as mere political ones, the world would be so much more advanced then it is nowadays. A fundamental difference between the ways your species approach the perception of live is not a political statement.
>I mean
>genuinely
>actually
You will never be a valley girl.
>out perimeter not being a cloud of like 100 million drones constantly swarming and returning for recharge etc
ngmi
Why do they need a harbor? They're not expecting any ocean freight, so that's just so much useless area inside their defenses.
something something magic dust makes using orbital cargo transport unviable despite the planet having frick all gravity, trees have eyes and knives, frick it we'll go back to shipping
also probably they'll be drilling for space oil in the seabed
Fish-farms to grow Salmon in space protected from native pisciforms
So why can't they just bomb the tree from orbit?
Looking at this base Humanity clearly has the means. Also according to the lore Earth is dying and this is Humanity's last chance or they will go extinct as a race, so the gloves would be off people aren't going to restrict their combat methods when it's not the fate of one man, or a town, or even a country, but rather the fate of all men who exists now and who would ever exist. Humanity dies if they fail.
read thread
I did. The reasons stated are poor. Humanity gets wiped out if this fails, there is no way they would abide by silly space treaties when literally everyone dies if they get kicked off the planet.
Yes, the reasons are poor, and that was covered in the thread.
Where are the artillery bases and FOB's?
Is that from actual Avatar 2 promotional materials?
Fricking siiiiiiick. I want to see the Navi in full gear wielding some ridiculously powerful small arms.
yep it's leak from official Avatar 2 promo book
Recom pistol:
“...the hollow points fragment upon impact”
...wut
It might a moronic ripper round. They're technically hollow points.
>the gun designs are dumb
James Cameron literally scribbled in the screenplay how much he hates gun owners lol
>James Cameron literally scribbled in the screenplay how much he hates gun owners lol
Where exactly are you seeing that?
Can you read?
I assume he's referring to that lower section
>"The miners lock and load like the red-blooded redneck NRA supporters they are."
like yeah that's kind of an odd thing to have in a screenplay.
>like yeah that's kind of an odd thing to have in a screenplay.
It just seems like trying to provide better imagery for what he wants to me. Same with the "It looks like Woodstock in the jungle" at the top of the page rather than it just being a gathering.
But it's dumb and dismissive, even for today. In America at least miners are professionals, they're very well trained, and use very advanced tech. All heavy industry is like that now, there are "less jobs" yeah but that's heavily because productivity per worker has skyrocketed. Like a BelAZ 75710 or Cat 797 is an incredible piece of technology and not something you just shove some highschool dropout into. Nobody going to fricking space whether they have a PhD or not is "unprofessional, untrained", blue-collar has nothing to do with it.
Freely admit this is all autism but I do wish more movies could treat all sides realistically as smart and capable even if "evil". The whole "if I don't like it/understand it those people are stupid" thing isn't just silly itself it also just gets boring. And it's a waste of cool potential.
also that thing empty weighs 360 tons (800000 lbs), has a cargo capacity of 450 tons (almost 1 million lbs), is 68 feet long and 27 feet high. Dual 2700 horse power engines.
>In America at least miners are professionals, they're very well trained, and use very advanced tech.
Yeah, professional miners, not soldiers.
Learn to take a joke snowflake.
>Learn to take a joke
Lmao, the irony. You just got asshurt about a joke yourself.
You seem to be projecting your overwhelming feelings of buttblastedness onto me.
>Yeah, professional miners, not soldiers.
The post I responded to said "Unprofessional, untrained, blue-collar workers". And you don't need to be a "professional soldier" to be a professional with some military training. Army is full of that actually, tons and tons of specialist and support positions who are all pros but not infantry, but still know how to hold a gun. Or we can see in Ukraine how motivated people with the right training and kit can treat things very seriously and learn in a hurry.
I know what the post said anon, I wrote it. My point was that his wording conveys a very vivid image. I read "The miners lock and load like the red-blooded NRA supporters they are" and I can see a rag tag crowd of burly men armed with more weaponry than they know what to do with. Is it an unflattering description? Sure, but he is describing the antagonists in his story, it's not meant to paint them in a positive light. They're filling the same role as comic book henchmen. Big, strong, intimidating, and not being paid to think.
Saying snowflake in current year.
>he speaks in the tongue of the tard God.
Time to go get another booster, looney-troon!
It's literally a massive cope, if people acknowledged that the people they dislike or disagree with aren't actual drooling moronic then it forces them to have to actually think about their own ideals and how much water they hold rather than just accept them as gospel truth.
It's ironic how leftists, who's main philosophy (in theory) revolves around making life better for the working man, all seem to utterly despise the actual working man.
I feel duty bound to remind you of Trotsky's Economic Brigades
>you don't understand comrade, we ARE the dictatorship of the worker
>we can't possibly oppress the workers, it is a contradiction in terms
did your parents or school ever have you tested because you were 'special,' or did they keep your literal moronation from you?
They hate people who actually work because it reminds them of how utterly impotent and lame they are themselves. Nobody who outwardly opines the mistreatment of 'the worker' actually does any work. Most people who do actually work for a living are proud of their work because they create real things. Or, at the very least are so goddamned busy trying to get their work done that they can't be bothered complaining or organizing. Many people resent what they can't have or do for themselves. That's why actual farmers, miners, electricians, road workers, construction, cowboys etc are so readily ragged on.
>woodstock
>over 50 years ago
Boomers really don't understand how far removed they are from reality.
What a dick. I'd sooner pay money to go see a slam poetry festival.
>like the red-blooded NRA supporters they are
idk I think it's kinda funny, and it definitely gets across the imagery he's going for. Unprofessional, untrained, blue-collar workers being armed to the teeth and preparing for a military operation that will likely see them in way over their heads.
Its the imagery youd give to coastal urbanites who think miners are scary BAD THINK POLITICS TEAM that don't like GOOD THING in CURRENT YEAR
>it definitely gets across the imagery he's going for
t. dumb cuck who can't wait to give an aging hippie his money
>I know, I'll call him a cuck, that'll distract everyone from the fact that I'm less literate than a third grader.
>imagine trying to evade Avatar's obvious socialist environmental power fantasy subtext by mistaking a blatant anti 2A message woven into the script for some sort of subtly pitched insight about range proficiency
Literate enough for you?
>socialist environmental power fantasy subtext
calling it subtext is a bit of a stretch, the entire film is spent beating the viewer over the head with it.
>blatant anti 2A message woven into the script
It's scene direction, it's meant to paint a picture for the people in charge of casting, costume, and set design. Same with the earlier part about the Na'vi gathering looking like "Woodstock in the jungle."
Anon, I don't agree with other anon and didn't like the move, but I think it's pretty obvious you're letting your own biases invent stuff that isn't there too. The movie doesn't have an "anti-2A" message holy shit, anymore than Star Wars did. As everyone says it's Space Pocahantas: The MMOG. There's not secret agenda it's just not very good writing. Cameron is most interested in film for visuals, the aesthetics of things. He wanted to create a setting to do this whole fancy special effects 3D thing (remember, this was a huge marketing point at the time, THE FIRST GOOD 3D FILM SEE ZE FUTURE 5 JILLION YEARS ON SUPER COMPUTER RENDER), the plot is pretty window dressing. And while sure it's lefty "white guilt" "the poor native americans" "the big bad capitalist exploiters" sort of thing that's not new or current culture wars. 2A simply doesn't enter in it at all, it's not a pacifist film on any side, it's not about civilian use of arms holy shit.
>like the red-blooded NRA supporters they are
Definitely no anti-2A messaging here.
You're projecting your own self-loathing onto that statement. The fact that you think it's derogatory says more about you than it does the script.
>>like the red-blooded NRA supporters they are
>Definitely no anti-2A messaging here.
Not really? It's just condescending ignorant signaling, like how /misc/nigs sling around "troony" at fricking everything. Did you actually see the movie or are you just reacting to that one page? Cameron is bubbled hollywood type or urbanite for sure, but in the movie both sides are armed with what they've got, traitor guy going native is fine using weapons if he can etc. If anything I suppose you could argue it's "pro-2A" in that it favorably depicts "civilian locals" defending themselves from "government military". They don't use "guns" since they don't have them but the spirit is the same. The story theme such as it is comes straight out of old school Noble Savage type of stuff, though with some scifi mixed in apparently to justify it. In more skilled hands it might even have been kind of ok.
also samegay here:
>The fact that you think it's derogatory
Anon that's 100% derogatory. But again, it's the same as genericized racist/sexist slurs thrown around disconnected from any origin or a lot of other stuff, it's not actually literal because the people using them don't even have any clear grasp on what they mean in the first place. It's signaling, "yeah I don't like that Other", Cameron thinks these are trashy people and they are going to lose vs the heroes. But Cameron has no actual notion of what "NRA supporter" means or any of the complexity there. Like I'm of course pro-gun rights like presumably all of /k/ but I'm not at all an NRA supporter anymore because the organization got utterly corrupt and shit and became a machine to extra money from supporters and grift and market for shitty manufacturers. I've switched my memberships to ASA and other orgs instead that are younger and hungrier and focused on real world progress on specific issues I care about (like getting suppressors legal everywhere and hopefully someday getting them off the NFA entirely). Cameron doesn't know any of that or care. It means nothing more then "redneck" or "homosexual".
>Cameron doesn't know any of that or care. It means nothing more then "redneck" or "homosexual".
How the frick does that matter, he used "NRA supporters" as a catchall term for pro-gun people. He wouldn't give a frick if you are NRA or GOA or whatever.
Jesus Christ, anon
Not sure what the screen shot is for or what you're confused by here. The movie Avatar doesn't have an anti-2A message (or any 2A message at all, though as I said if anything one could use it in favor; the Navi did need weapons), but neither is Cameron using "redneck NRA supporter" as a compliment. This isn't hard. Some things just don't involve current culture wars, but the people are still kind of buttholes about certain stuff.
Miners are historically some of the most downtrodden and oppressed people on earth. Even with all the technology we have today, they still have immense rates of workplace death and accident, and health issues caused by dust and debris. What has happened to empathy on this planet?
Disconnect from reality between urb*nites and people who work.
and general historical illiteracy on top of that
Yes Director I will fire the cannon on the temple
Small farmers too. Basically anyone who directly works in natural resource extraction. Urbanite working class isn't much better, and the people in charge of both like to pitch them against each other.
Get down there wagie and dig
Unless someone experiences it for themselves it doesn't exist, simple as.
As much as we like to pretend that we've advanced beyond that "I'll believe it when I see it with me own two eyes" mentality we simply have not.
Once again, as in the first movie, why aren't these guys orbital bombarding the natives?
Who gives a frick the whole film was a wash that barely made sense and I'm pretty set on the idea it didn't do nearly as well as people pretend it did and was some kind of money laundering scheme.
Read this homie
Wasn't Jim a gun nut back in his Terminator 2 days? what happened?
Joking aside. Jim Cameron strikes me as being on the spectrum.
>Jim Cameron strikes me as being on the spectrum.
Maybe, though a lot of ultra creative types are also kind of whacked out in one way or another, there are more mental weirdness then assburgers and autism like so many on here have. Anyone part of the hollywood scene for all those decades as a mega success may have done some pretty crazy drugs at one point or another too.
It may also just be age and the almost universal result of so much success, where people start to lose track of their foundations and nobody can tell them they're wrong anymore. They end up getting too focused on surface stuff, and hanger ons can get bad. Seems like it's a real struggle not to end up in a total bubble and then get warped by it. And who in that business is going to say anything? Like for all our complaints and all Avatar might be somewhat wasted potential, as said earlier in the thread the damn thing made BILLIONS of fricking dollars. So I assume Cameron will get to do whatever the frick strikes his fancy and if the writing is still mediocre nobody will push back. And probably they're not even wrong, the movie is made for normies not us, and apparently it works. Maybe will still be fun to pick apart though. At least it doesn't involve 400 different movies like capeshit.
he's still a gun and military/sci-fi tech nut
you can see it at Avatar making of videos when he runs on set and shoot prop guns
James Cameron owns an arsenal of NFA weapons including a full auto AK-47, and he's an outspoken gun control advocate. I'm pretty sure the term used for such people is "incredible fricking homosexual"
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/10/26/man-of-extremes
>James Cameron owns an arsenal of NFA weapons including a full auto AK-47, and he's an outspoken gun control advocate
End stage boomer
If you think about it, it's perfectly rational. He can pay any tax stamp. He can pass any background check. If they narrow it so much "only a paper signed by X sheriff/judge/governor can buy this," guess what? He's got the motherfricker on speed dial. He wins.
Eh, classic rich person "for me not for the serfs" thing. Remember anon that was literally what the NFA was written for. $200 at the time would be like $4400 in today's money, think about that, you get your stamp very fast but $4400 extra each time for a can or sbr or anything. The idea was only rich people would get things without restriction. Cameron is just another generation of "nobility". Wanting to keep commoners from weapons has a long history.
The gun store scene was pretty moronic
>Selling full-autos guns over the counter to a weird guy who talks about plasma rifles and who is dressed like a punk for some reason
>nooo you can't just load the gun with the ammo i left on the counter! too bad i don't have my own gun to defend myself
>too bad i don't have my own gun to defend myself
It genuinely wouldn't have changed the context of the scene at all but I suppose would have been funny
What's the point of creating mind controlled meat drones when you could use the same technology to just pilot actual mechanical drones not limited to the restrictions of squishy flesh and blood? Like you shoot a the avatar and it will still bleed to death, you shoot an armored machine spider and unless the CPU's been destroyed it will still be able to keep going with just slightly lessened capabilities.
I get the original intention was to infiltrate the locals, but once you get to the point of all out war it just seems needlessly convoluted
i dunno looks like the same generic late 2010s sci-fi gun design.
People really in here shadowboxing the narrative of space Pocahontas.
avatar 1
>burgers want funny space metal
>try and fight natives but lose as they can fly on birds
avatar 2
>burgers still want funny space metal
>now they're back with a better ground and air force
>good luck humans, we're below 7 meters of water now
>GODDAMNIT
some motherfrickers always tryna ice skate uphill
such a dumb line, didn't even make sense in the scene
>wesley snipes says that during a meeting as a throwaway dig at someone
>exec loves it and wants to put it on the script
>snipes was actually sane enough to say that the line was utter dogshit
>still forced to say it in the film
LMAOOO
>The Russian one has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
checks out
It's funny how they gave the Black person avatars nappy Black person hair
Avatar is just some streamer's fail run of Factorio with better graphics.
Now that I think about it, I'd love to see an RTS based on Avatar.
Think something along the lines of dark crusade, but with a bigger world map.
Frick that, just make a factorio RTS set on Pandora. Theres a game sorta like it called Riftbreaker, where youre some lady in a powersuit building resource outposts, but theres only towers no units
>you know what, let's make our OWN blueBlack folk and put a human mind in them so we can infiltrate their networked ungabungas
Imagine your society being so powerful Genemodding and fast cloning is a cheaper alternative to a gradually expanding wall of self-repairing, flamethrower turrets on a jungle world.
Where is my beloved M60?
These weapons are specifically manufactured for Na'vi ergonomics, the future M60 used on the first movie was an human issued LMG that was preferred by the human piloted Na'Vi because it was big enough for them.
You can't say it doesn't look any less imposing than the guns in OP. Of all gun designs, they went for the watered down Doom 3 and Halo look.
>You can't say it doesn't look any less imposing than the guns in OP.
You are absolutely right on this, I agree.
>40 rounds per minute
It probably doesn't even hold 40 rounds.
lol anon it's a moronic gun and that's a moronic spec but your criticism is moronic too. I don't stick 40+ round mags in any of my handguns either but that doesn't mean I can't fire 'em faster than <1 per second. And it's only due to the law that you can't just get auto sears for whatever and have your handgun shoot 500-1200rpm (for a couple of seconds before even an extended mag is exhausted).
>muh full auto with a small mag
You're moronic. You don't need a pocket SMG that you need to reload in five seconds. If you want that, either get a larger mag or get a... wait for it... SMG. Sidearms are for sidearm things, like self-defense (this may require accuracy, not full auto, surprising I know) or as a secondary weapon if you can no longer use your primary (don't really see a reason for it to be full auto either).
I don't know why tacticool morons think full auto = better, but I guess that's just the moronation of modern times. What you need is a pistol with functionality, not a pistol that will throw off your aim and spend 10 rounds with one pull of the trigger.
I don't think you've ever shot a handgun in your life before anon. Because there isn't a semi-auto or revolver in existence that won't let you shoot faster than 1.5 seconds per round, like holy shit. Doing a quick accurate 5-groups at 10yd or less is seriously not a big deal, you should be able to do it. That it would burn through a mag faster doesn't matter, handguns aren't for sniping. "Up to 40 rounds per minute" is absurdly slow as a maximum, unless it's some super future plasma canon or something where each shot is homing and explosive. Sure doesn't look that way though.
I know this is /k/ but you should consider getting a few guns and training with them someday. It's fun as well as practical.
>we will tread on you
nah
That photo looks like it was made by someone unreasonably upset at the movie Avatar.
I think this strip nicely encapsulates most plot objections to the original movie
I want to go to a navi strip club
Unironically that would be an absolutely hilarious movie and twist but the raw amount of seethe it'd generate would probably make it unmarketable and it'd never ever get done in Hollywood. A basic problem with a budget of hundreds of millions of dollars is that your product has to make back like half a billion dollars or more which means you have to get enormous audiences which pushes towards making it more generic and "unoffensive". No personal morals or anything involved just brutal business calculations, you see it everywhere in any media. Though I wonder if the sheer novelty might get it a certain amount of sales.
They do explain why this isn't an option in the movie. Theres so much to hate about the movie legitimately you shouldn't have to make shit up.
Are you talking about the law thing? That's already been covered itt.
How stupid it is has been pointed out, but that's irrelevant, it's fact.
No, we don't have to accept bad writing as "fact" for a comic making a joke of how it should have gone which necessarily involves imagining a changed move anon. Come on.
Though this has been a fun thread and actually changed my opinion on the movie a bit. Still not a fan but for somewhat different reasons, though from a /k/ autism perspective tons of stuff still pisses me off and was obviously done to setup people to lose.
>No, we don't have to accept bad writing as "fact"
Oh, then you know how it should have ended, the RDA should have just realized that Unobtanium is also found in regular tap water and gone home, what idiots they were for not doing that in the real movie.
Wow, some obscure line from the first movie (was it even a line in the film, or post-theatrical "canon") clears that all up, nothing to see here Goy, go enjoy Mr. Cameronstein's le epic movie.
What I really want to know is why even make this? The first movie was supposed to be a visual spectacle, and proof of concept that 3d films were the future. Well, welcome to the future; here, 3d glasses are dead tech and CGI is old hat. What's the appeal at this point?
We went from the novelty of 3D render on the side of a GPU to mid 2000's Xbox game. It's going to flop.
>What I really want to know is why even make this?
To make lots of money. Hollywood loves its sequels and while autists like us were mad about aspects objective fact is the fricking movie had a box office of $2.9 billion. Yes, "billion", with a b. Normies and critics loved it. Any movie that makes over a billion is getting a sequel.
>Wow, some obscure line from the first movie (was it even a line in the film, or post-theatrical "canon") clears that all up, nothing to see here Goy, go enjoy Mr. Cameronstein's le epic movie.
What the frick kind of insane homosexual logic is "if you don't accept my inane, nonsensical criticism of something, you cant hate it at all"?
The comic really should have had Sokka saying that at least the special effects were good.
Gay.
The fact that there's even a sequel to begin with is insane.
Realistically, post credits would have gone somewhere along the lines of:
>RDA gets thrown off planet
>"Hey Earth, the local natives kicked us off the planet full of that resource we need to survive and continue expanding"
>Earth provides ICBMs
>ICBMs fired at hivemind tree
>Natives scattered and without a god
>Nature stops cooperating with natives
>Natives wiped out in a few months
>Humans colonize and continue extracting resources unopposed
The only part I can agree with is that the gear looks cool.
>High powered pistol
>40 rounds a minute
That doesn't sound right, either it literally kicks to hard to fire it any faster (making it fricking useless) or you're handloading each round.
I think they read the average rate of fire for a semi-auto rifle on Wikipedia, they usually list it like that.
Examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>Rate of fire 40–50 rounds/min
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
>Rate of fire Cyclic rate of fire:
>600 rds/min[8]
>Combat rate of fire:
>Semi-auto 40 rds/min[8]
>Bursts 100 rds/min[8]
>>Semi-auto 40 rds/min[8]
I remembered it because that number comes often in various Internet articles and Wikipedia boxes.
Just let these frickers loose.
>hey man can I copy your homework you're really good in this class
>Yeah okay but just don't make it too obvious
I can't believe this handgun looks like a handgun wtf
>"Future" Glock looks nearly identical to another "Future" Glock
Wow, so shocking
They look more like steyr to me
handgun from the first for comparison
>tiny fricking magazine slid in like a cordless drill battery
>8mm is "small" caliber
>electrically fired, battery charged by hand motions like a fricking automatic winding watch
>bullpup
the frick
>20x8mm handgun
dear God, them smurfs never had a chance
Small caliber
>20x8mm
This is so gay
Earlier Cameron scifi at least had aesthetic guns
looks like a gsh-18 to me
>WE WILL TREAD ON YOU
wow nice and subtle there
>bragging about 40RPM rate of fire as if that was impressive
>"high-powered pistol"
>"assault round"
>"long barrel for high muzzle velocity"
Normalhomosexuals should never be allowed to talk or have an opinion about weapons ever.
Daily reminder Avatar completely ripped off a German videogame from 1995
>some kind of sci-fi jungle setting.
>title of the game is a synonym for England
I adore Blue Byte games but that's a shitty title.
And a short story from 1957 about a paralyzed guy telepathically controlling a big blue artificial body to explore a hostile planet's surface. Cameron has never had an original concept in his life, he just learned to steal from dead authors who won't sue instead of living and extremely litigious ones like Ellison.
This is a little closer but still. "future primitive aesthetic" is a common thing, and "automaton controlled by the mind" is also an old concept. Neither were invented by those authors you posted.
>living and extremely litigious ones like Ellison.
>living
anon, I...
Izra was just doing a funny comic, not a critique. The man spends his time drawing Gungan porn, ffs
That's a stretch... good game, though.
>a megacorp from Earth wants to strip mine valuable resources from a jungle planet full of monsters and tall primitive cat people who live in connection with nature and can telepathically communicate with each other through a special organ but a human employee of the megacorp goes native and joins forces with the cats against the corporation and eventually win with the assistance of the planet itself which is actually a magical living force
Yeah dude pure coincidence
>40 ROUNDS IN A FRICKING MINUTE
Still not watching it, Jim. I will go the grave never watching another Avatar movie and there is nothing you can do about it. There are billions more like me.
I got bored and bailed about 40 minutes into the first movie.
He wont get one minute more out of me.
imagine be this filtered
>hello sir
I can't believe the guy who made Aliens and Terminator 1/2 is still going all-in on this trash. His peers in sci-fi and action like Ridley Scott, John Carpenter, and Paul Verhoeven have all released a few stinkers, but they know better than to just keep charging ahead with something that nobody will like.
Avatar is shit but it made a ton of money
That's the one thing Cameron is great at
lol anon what about peers like George Lucas? Even avatar practically looks like Shakespear compared to the fricking star wars prequel trilogy.
Star Wars was never good, even the original trilogy, it was always low IQ goyslop with some nice special effects. Just like Avatar.
The original one was good. Not a "masterpiece" but in the context of summer block busters it had plenty of soul, though was getting iffier by the 3rd. But don't fall into the contrarian trap either, sometimes things that are acclaimed actually really do have a lot to them. Memorable human characters. Special effects were there but they weren't the point of it.
It was just a scifantasy-western setting classic heroic epic, nothing complex but executed perfectly decently. That's ok.
2001 Space Odyssey was much better. Planet of the apes series was much better. They trained actual apes to speak and act and follow a written script which was an amazing feat for the 1960s and much more impressive than matchstick models of spaceships crashing into each other or whatever the frick is the main appeal of Star Wars supposed to be. Not to mention it's well written and delivers some nice social commentary on desegregation era America and the black liberation movement while Star Wars is just LE HITLER IN SPACE grade uninspired garbage for moronic children and homosexuals.
Probably not going to watch it, looks dumb as hell from this.
And I actually liked the first one.
It's Midworld, by Alan Dean Foster.
IT'S LITERALLY SOMEONE ELSE'S SHITTY SEVENTIES SF NOVEL YOU STUPID KEKS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
GOD I WISH I COULD HATE YOU TO DEATH
Doug Holverson had a webcomic called Si Fy Guy, made to look like it was drawn in the 70's, and printed on a duplicator (ask your Dad, they smelled like liquorice), and the plot was that an obnoxious, stupid catgirl with big breasts travelled back from the future to the 70's on a very important mission but lost her Iphone with the time travel app, so a pair of toxic geeks travelled forwards to 2009, saw Cameron's Avatar, and came home with a couple armfuls of gadgets and manuals, becoming the AU versions of Bill Gates and Elon Musk, and also starting a franchise based on Avatar called "Catch-Em Catsos", a cartoon in a comic, drawn in 70's bigfoot style, like all those shitty cartoons from back then.
I really wish that maniac had found an artist for the comic, I wanted to see how that all played out.
"Up on the moon of Goobly
There lived the Catsos so happy and free
But then along came humanity.
Dragging along their industry.
But Sergeant Beech and Private Bailer
Will always meet up with failure
As long as they keep on tryin’
To catch Wumbilu and Dandelion!
You gotta be fast and never slow
If you want to Catch ‘Em Catsos!
Catch ‘Em Catsos! Catch ‘Em Catsos!"
There. I told you I wasn't on crack! I can't speak for Holverson, though, lol.
So obvious someone is gonna be a gay and turncoat, but who do you think it's gonna be?
>You have 10 seconds to remember the names of the main protagonist and main antagonists of Avatar 1.
Col. Quaritch and Jake Sooooly
jake sully
i can remember commander falco from the game does that count
What does the reddit frog have to do with that?
I'm calling it now. Two of these blue nigs are gonna be gay for each other
this is just like the knights of ren we're gonna see these homies fro two scenes and the second will be them getting rekt by the Jaksulli/Neyney family
what could have been..
This guy was played by a israelite
Making the bad guy a israelite was the only good thing Cameron did when making this movie
Let me guess. The president of Earth is going to be a stupid evil reality TV host named Ronald Crump.
I'd unironically enjoy the drama out of that. But I don't think it's anything like just because I don't think Earth is ever really going to feature at all in anything but flashbacks or newsreels. Unless it goes so full-moron that the navi get bioships spawned for them and final movie involves striking back at earth or something like that, but the leaks make it look like everything stays on pandora, or at least in the pandora system (like isn't pandora orbiting a gas giant or some shit? maybe that's a jupiter brain where a lot of the rest of the civ actually is).
We all know we're just waiting for THIS to get a sequel.
Now THIS is podracing!
Wait Fleshlight is an actual brand and not just a meme term for onaholes?
>the hollow points fragment, sending shards in all directions
James Cameron is in this thread trying to get /k/ to write his crap for him.
I mean, how many Pocahontas sequels are out there to plagerize anyway?
He has fossizilized boomer brain /k/ would write a better story than Avatard
I think there should be trannies in if at least there could be a troony corporate CEO villain or trans AI but yeah the story needs trannies bad because controversy sells
There is no controversial material in the original film
>James Cameron is in this thread trying to get /k/ to write his crap for him.
I'd be ok with that, feel free to take anything I wrote man. In fact I was about to say when writing this reply "I don't think it's fixable though" but no that's not true. Cameron could easily lower the stakes and fix things in principle and mostly get it back on track. Just say that humanity has now figured out how to synthesize the magic rock or found other sources so Pandora is still valuable but isn't vital. Can the hole "new home for humanity" shit, that wasn't in the first film anyway. Have Earth be in improving shape with other colonization happening, and new governments elected who are pushing back against corporate overreach. Now the movie can have a normal setup where the company is still trying to get minerals, or perhaps to secretly get hyper technology, but they can't reveal that and their military support or tech access is restricted. There can be some good as well as bad humans, like inspectors growing suspicious about what they're really up to. 3-way or even 4/5-way interests and conflict options. It's still salvageable Cameron!
i just hope we get to see those blue gays get slaughtered mercilessly by our brave marines
Actually a pretty fun thread. Thanks /k/.
lol this thread gave me more to think bout with this setting then every other net thing up to now. thanks /k/ you autistic gun toting glorious bastards