Need some hunting adivce.
Been looking to get a shotgun for fowl. My specced out 10/22 works fine for small game, and deer I've out with my AR, but I have no knowledge of shotguns whatsoever.
The book I'm reading talk a lot about 20 gauge and twelve gauge for the birds. However, I've been eyeing a sexy .22/.410 double barrelled shotgun at my local gunstore. Would I be moronic to expect to get anything with .410? What sort of game is best for the .410 cartridge.
>Would I be moronic to expect to get anything with .410?
No. .410 is perfectly capable - some people even hunt deer with .410 slugs.
It's inferior and harder to find than more normal gauges like 12 or 20, but it'll get the job done just fine.
There's a massive problem with hubting with .410, 99.9% of slugs offered in it ate super shit, they break up and massively under penetrate, IIRC brenneke makes a slug for .410 that does perform adequately enough for deer sized game.
I had a pump .410, don't recall the make, as a young teenager that I killed many a grouse and quail with, but as a meat
hunter withiout a dog, I was fine shooting them on the ground.
Poorgay option: single shot 12 gauge.
Best option, some sort of pump, 18-20" barrel, that can accept chokes.
If it's mostly for waterfowl, get a pump, or semiauto, with 22-26" barrel, that can accept chokes.
O/U are for clays, they all have an auto safety that is fricktarded and will make you lose birds.
12GA is the best bang for buck. It's the standard for everything but rich oldworld hunters dressed in tweed fot a reason.
>everything BUT rich oldworld hunters dressed in tweed
Wut? There's so many fancy break 12ga shotguns for people like that which cost more than most people's cars, if not also houses. Fancy handmade custom guns, you know the kind. Usually in 12ga, even the old ones.
Not really. 12ga is standard for London best guns, golden era ones are mostly chambered 12/65. Belgians also tend to come in 12ga.
16ga was/is popular in particular in Germany and Austria.
There are nice guns in 410, but they are rather specialized. Generally speaking, you get more range out of birdshot the bigger the bore is for a given choke. That is of course if you select the strongest available load. That being said, if you are a good shot and have a tightly choked gun, 410 might still give you plenty range. It will substantially harder to shoot flying birds, though. Ammo is also comparatively expensive.
If you are new to shotguns, 20/76 is great. You get ~30g loads for it, which is sufficient for almost everything you hunt with birdshot. The slugs kill all game up to ~70kg at ranges 50m and in pretty reliably. Also the guns are roughly 1 lbs lighter than comparable 12ga, which doesn’t seem like much. If you have to carry the thing all day, it is a substantial difference.
>deer I've out with my AR
Degenerate. Hunt with a bolt action, lever action, or a single shot, you absolute failure of a man. Can you even strike a fist sized target at 100 yards with any degree of precision?
>What sort of game is best for the .410 cartridge.
Mostly small birds and rodents and shit.
Not OP, I hunt either with an AR 10, or an AR15 in 300blk.
have a nice day fudd b***h.
Cope harder AR boy, your hunt has no sport, no thril. You think I care if you call me fudd?
Why do you deny yourself this? You seek only slaughter, not to take a single, precise shot worthy of telling stories to fellow mates at the end of the hunt, or at the table where you serve your kill to your girlfriend or wife and friends over fine drinks.
Imagine being so pathetically inaccurate you need multiple rounds to take your kill. I'm over here with a Ruger No. 1 in 7mm-08 stomping most American game with one shot.
Very nice. Can you list them and tell us which ones you like, or what pros and cons you have for each one? I've honestly been looking at an over-under for birds.
Underage gay detected
>Actually likes to hunt instead of tacticool larp in the woods
>must be underage
Frick off
Your response further supports the claim of you being a moronic underage homosexual, son to a fudd.
Pro hunters need follow up shots all the time and those guys do it for a living. Notice how he’s posting memes, not the totally real animals he’s bagged? It reads like someone whose trolling, or is Gods gift to hunting and has never made a bad shot.
Besides, the most sporting isn’t even guns its bows (not crossbow)
You have not hunted until you've taken a grizzly with a spear.
>the rifle has to do with the chase, stalk, thrill, etc
Only a homosexual who hunts over a feeder would complain about your type of rifle as being sport or not.
This board is full of consumerist children with a fetish for all things military, what did you expect?
ARs are best.
You've clearly only ever hunted moronic whitetails over food plots, underage b***hboy
The .410 has been traditionally considered as a starter or a children's gauge. The 20 gauge has been thought of as a woman's round. 12 gauge and 10 gauge are considered a man's chambering. One can knock down game with all of the above, but I believe the most practical shotgun round is the 12 gauge. I have owned a couple .410's in the past, but traded them for more practical firearms. I currently own 6 shotguns, all in 12 gauge.
>I currently own 6 shotguns, all in 12 gauge.
Why?
t. not a future owner of 2 triple barrel shotguns.
NGMI
>>I currently own 6 shotguns, all in 12 gauge.
>Why?
My Pops bought me a Winchester 1200 for my 18th B-day and introduced me to shooting traps and skeet as well as bird hunting. A few years later, I bought an Ithaca Featherlight for cheap at a garage sale for $100, the same as one of my Dad's favorite shotties. I bought a Mossberg retro to keep by my front door when I moved to the central AZ mountains a few years back. I inherited my Dad's Featherlight, a 1950's era Winchester Model 12, and a Lefever double barrel recently.
These are all excellent reasons to own 6 12gs. Carry on, good sir.
I will never sell my Pop's shotguns, or the one he bought me. Those will be passed on to family members.
Why not?
>why 6?
>posts 5
5 is an OK number to have. 6 is concerning.
>Doesn't recognize the Benelli
That easily counts as 2.
>10gauge
Literally obsolete.
.410 will have adequate pattern coverage for fowl out to maybe 20 yards. Past that your pattern will have holes in it and likely will not have sufficient density to guarantee a kill even on a good shot.
It’s fine for short range, but a 12 or 20 gauge will be a lot more versatile.
Good for somewhat short range squirrel hunting or small birds. Want a .410; passed on a pump .410 but someone I knew needed it more than me and they had the money. Over/under .22/.410 would be amazing. Not sure how well it would aim, though. Might have to remember to compensate for the height over bore for .410 like an over/under 12ga.
>Over/under .22/.410 would be amazing
A savage .22/.410 was my first gun - a pilots survival gun from the 1930s. Was always good for me.
would haveing a normal length AR and then just throwing a 20" barrel upper assembly when i go hunting not be fine?
You don't need a 20" for hunting, use the 16".
With 5.56 you're looking at a 100 yard gun anyways, to ensure an ethical kill.
I’d recommend reading Shotgunning: The Art and Science by Bob Brister. That will give you just about everything you’ll need to know about shotguns and what to use when and in what conditions
>>*shoots rabbit with a ten gauge*
lmfao, moron. Try a .22 or maybe a slingshot or BB gun for that shit. Fricking moron.
>doesn't read the next two lines
Just keep chasing until it's too tired to run or resist, then kill it. Humans are endurance predators, not whatever this recent obsession with missile weapons is.
't read the next two lines
I did, you fricking idiot. Your "humor" is lacking.
No shit moron. I was making fun of your moronic conception that masculinity is tied to caliber. Apparently your obvious brain damage has taken away your short term memory, as well as your readibg comprehension
lmao, you poor silly sad little ignorant homosexual. I used terms like "considered" and "thought of" so folks with an IQ greater than room temperature would instantly understand references to old school fudd beliefs that you are too fricking stupid to even comprehend. Go back to your video games you fricking no guns idiot.
Um... sweatie, the old school fidd beliefs aren't based in facts and logic, okay?
Depends on the bird, but anon I'd seriously recommend going 20g, not .410. You can do a lot with 20g. It'll do almost everything 12G can, save maybe the largest game since the slugs are smaller. But a 20g slug will still 100% kill anything in North America.
as for fowl, if you are talking WATER fowl the nova shotgun is unironically one of your best friends. They are stupidly resistant to rust, and your shotgun WILL get wet if you are waterfowl hunting.
Thanks for the rec
Will put that on the list. Thanks