What neat things have come out at Shot Show this year? This one hasn't been talked about yet, the FIMS straight pull bullpup that was announced in 2020 is now in production. Super sleek design for those that want a precision .308 bullpup, should achieve great accuracy (reportedly 3/4" at 500y but that sounds too ridiculous to be true). I would definitely get a semiauto version of it.
What was your fav?
CZ announced all CZ600 rifles will have lifetime barrel replacement, meaning if you shoot it out they'll replace it. Even for heavy hitters that wear the barrel out faster like .300 Win Mag. I'm sold.
This is now a bipod thread.
What do you all think of the magpul bipod? It seems to be gaining in popularity and I love how compact and light it is. However, the spring tension on the Harris type and the included foot material is much better to use, especially on a bench.
What actually are the best bipods for which rifles? I'm thinking of going back to the magpul for the smaller lighter design but I still want a bipod that's actually good at being a bipod.
It sucks. You're better off with the $30 utg bipod.
Yeah, I had one and thought it sucked. I got rid of it only to find out later that you can reverse a ring on it to make it no longer swivel, mare akin to the Harris style. I've been thinking of going back because the Harris is heavy and takes up a lot of space on the grip.
I need a new bipod specifically because the flat stock on my rifle also lets the Harris swivel freely about much like the Magpul used to do, only this time scraping against said stock. So, I'm going to replace the sling attachments with a rail and get a rail mounted bipod.
I'm looking for something compact and light that doesn't suck.
no one fricking cares about bipods, go to /prg/
What do you think of the ramp bipod at this year's shot show?
The Warne bipod they showed this year might be exactly the thing.
I got pic related at the local gun show for like $20.
>What do you all think of the magpul bipod?
I have one somewhere or other, had it since 2019 I think.
Its not bad. Seems pretty sturdy, but I haven't abused mine. It is light weight. Not sure if I'll buy another or just another harris.
I don’t like it. Impossible to lock out cant and rotation. Plus it doesn’t fair well when you try and load it.
It sounds nice but realistically basically no one will take advantage of it even.
Most people don't shoot out barrels and the people that do want match barrels
>realistically no one will take advantage
That’s why they’re economically able to offer the deal anon
>CZ announced all CZ600 rifles will have lifetime barrel replacement
That just makes me worried about the quality of the barrels tbh
>straight-pull bullpup marksman rifle
surprisingly I like it.
either they're so cheaply made it's more cost-effective to offer lifetime replacements (unlikely) or they're very well made and the offer is because they know they're unlikely to need it AND it gets them good publicity
>or they're very well made and the offer is because they know they're unlikely to need it AND it gets them good publicity
I highly doubt it. If this made sense then every major manufacturer would be doing it.
Not to mention they wouldn't be offering it only for the 600 line. More likely they know people are likely to shoot these barrels out for whatever reason and they're trying to get ahead of any controversy.
>surprisingly I like it.
Seems to be the most practical urban sniper set up. Nice and short, very easy to rack and throw follow up shots. You could rack it so fast in a pinch it could almost perform like a semi auto.
why would you go through the trouble of making a bullpup rifle manually operated (presumably for better accuracy) when you have to deal with the inherently shitty trigger anyway?
Bullpup triggers are fine, this isn't the 70s anymore grandpa.
Some bullpups have good triggers. Desert Tech bolt guns have fantastic triggers, so it can be done with clever engineering
>inherently shitty/superior [anything]
what causes people to say this shit with a completely straight face
I'm not even talking about guns at this point I hear it everywhere whenever some npc is talking about any mechanical design
Forget the name, but Irish GWOT sniper guy had the same complaint about the Desert Tech bolt guns. It's kind of cool.
I badly want a lux in 6arc, BADLY
"shooting out barrels" is a meme. other than avid competitors with their soft 416 barrels, pretty much nobody shoots out barrels. #1 threat of barrels is rust due to improper storage.
The only interesting thing is the VUK. PSA should go for russian government contracts, they would pay them billions to setup Izmash rifle factory for VUK production and shit out 3 million VUK each year.
>VUK
It's just their shitty JAKL with a lower that takes AK mags. Undoubtedly made of PSA butter steel too, it won't hold a candle to a real AK. Kind of sad to see honestly, all I want them to do is announce they're making their AKs out of an actually good grade of steel. I won't buy shit from this shitty company until they disclose steel grades for all their firearms.
the JAKL isn't shitty though, thats just a cope from guccigays
It's shitty and a cope, if they wanted to do something worth a damn they'd buy the ACR rom Remington and put a promising platform into real production. They're just churning out shit for consoomers. The JAKL will have no relevance in 10 years and neither will the VUK.
PSA is gaining extreme relevance and market share. The JAKL is expanding to .308 and bullpup configurations.
The OLCAN seems neat, kind of like a domestically made MSBS (which still isn't being imported 10 years later)
>they'd buy the ACR rom Remington and put a promising platform into real production
I was just thinking about this, somebody really should get the ACR back into production. People who grew up using it in vidya are prime gun-buying age now and it was originally designed to be relatively inexpensive so a company like PSA might be able to make it a real AR alternative. (Wouldn't be as cheap as their full-on budget guns but it might be the cheapest decent non-AR carbine.)
Bushmaster got bought up by Franklin Armory back in 2021 and ever since then have been promising that they're working on a "new and improved" ACR, but nothing has been shown publicly yet and looks like it's still a no-show at SHOT this year.
I definitely did not see an acr at the bushmaster booth
What is relevance? If I like it and buy it, it will always be relevant to me.
>PSA should go for russian government contracts
t. moron who doesn’t know how PSA works.
The Big Four will learn a hard lesson when some newcomer offers videogame style guns in wild colors. The n00b shall eat their lunch.
If I ran Glock, MOS plates would come in a variety of hats
the electric solenoid trigger.
>implying that won't get instantly banned
Way too easy to mod for full auto.
what's it like being a fat old moron, btw?
implying anyone cares about gay laws now we're post rule-of-law.
> whole gun industry mogged hy PSA
The only thing cool this year
>Cool
>Mp7 at home
Yea ok bud
Mp7 at home is cool, bud
Palmetto deniers stay losing
> R700 kits
> pump action kits
> Glock kits
> AR Kits
They’re turning into the Google of the firearms industry you won’t resist the South Carolina bull for long
>They’re turning into the Google of the firearms industry
*Funko of the firearms industry
The frick out of here with your gay words.
they hated him because he told the truth
My kids will be using your actual funko pops for target practice after you die and someone at goodwill tosses them all in a dumpster.
>pump action kits
I'm honestly most excited for this. I love shotguns and I want one I can switch up however I want. I could get the receiver, get rid of the fugly logo, form 1 SBS it. Then configure it in any way imaginable, including picrel which was nearly unobtainium until PSA announced this and PTR announced their AOW this week. Let's fricking go boys, it's shotgun summer
It's not a pump/semi hybrid or bullpup, just another boring shotgun. Still a neater concept than other boring shotguns. PSA should really push to get their quality up then rebrand with a less stupid name and try to distance themselves from the QC blunders of their past. They're going to be taking a lot of sales from other companies.
>have incredibly well known brand
>brand that even people who don’t buy your stuff know about
>grow into one of the most successful gun companies
>change your name and lose most that recognition
Yeah great plan bud
Post absolutely real MP7 that you have
This guy makes an MP-7 conversion for the CP33:
https://farrow.tech/ft7-kit-mp7-style-conversion-for-the-keltec-cp33/
I fail to see how this is superior to just a cp33.
It reminds me of a 10/22 with a body kit, not something ever wanted.
>I fail to see how this is superior to just a cp33.
Like 99% of firearms and firearm accessories, for LARPing
now if only the cp33 wasnt a trash gun to begin with
I think I'd rather have a cope MP7 in .22 then in 5.7. If its just a a range toy I don't want to pay for 5.7 just to larp with.
Welcome to the club
5.7 seems like a fantastic home defense round though, no? Less ear-splitting than 5.56, suitable for short barrels, and less risk of overpenetration than the common handgun rounds.
5.7 doesnt have anywhere near the same soft target expansion as 5.56, would not recommend as a defensive caliber in any situation other than when your targets will be using soft armor, which is realistically never. if you are being attacked by people with armor theyre going to be using the best plates available
>if you are being attacked by people with armor theyre going to be using the best plates available
Speak for yourself, my enemies are well organized and tenacious but they are poor.
These are schizos who think it goes through cop's armor or Jamal's aliexpress vest.
>https://farrow.tech/ft7-kit-mp7-style-conversion-for-the-keltec-cp33/
This is cool, but I just cant bring myself to spend $400 on a plastic 3d printed shell
It's actually SLS printed, which is comparable in strength to run-of-the-mill plastic injection molded parts
prob wait for x57
Longer handguard + print the mp7 grip and it might be able to sell a Cp33. Do those work or did people just fail at reloading it properly.
>Heavily implied a 9mm version will be coming out
Very interested in a more affordable TMP competitor. As long as its delayed blowback, reliable, and non shit quality they have a real winner there. Only real competition is the flux raider and those things are vaporware
>Heavily implied a 9mm version will be coming out
Awesome, which vid? I want a mag in grip pdw but hate pdw cartridges
AR15.com one with andrew, he asked about 4.6 and the rep said no such plans, asked about 9mm/10mm and the rep switched to I can neither confirm nor deny
>more affordable TMP competitor
is it straight blowback? cause at that point it might as well just be a mac 10 clone
That's so rad. It's about time someone made a civilian version. Also, Tommy Built announced he's going to start making MP7s too.
Absolutely real MP7s are cool but the market momentum behind 5.7x28mm and not 4.6x30mm hampers it
4.6 is a shittier round compared to 5.7 anyways
>10mm>9mm>.38>5.7=.380>.25ACP>4.6
agreed, 4.6 is an absolute dog shit caliber
I get the mag compatibility thing but man I wish they could use something else and have a more vertical grip like the real thing, the angled one ruins the look for me.
Is it 4.6×30mm, or 9mm?
5.7
Intradesting. Guess that Rock sold pretty well for them.
>just like a Flux Raider but way fricking bigger and 5x more expensive
kys
abhorrent post
its not a fricking chassis, so sick of you mouth breathers unable to look shit up and just improperly assuming bullshit. it doesnt even LOOK like a chassis lmao
I just want them to give it a better brace then the soggy plastic brace but im 100%. Buying one
I thought the MDT electric rem 700 trigger was pretty neat. IDk how I feel about having to charge your trigger, but they are directing it towards PRS and ELR shooters, not hunters or people that may he away from electricity for extended times. 4-64 oz adjustment, and no movement.
Zev says their version of the FMG will be ready by the end of the year
Beretta is releasing a relatively affordable Blaser
Dont care. Browning is still better.
Straight pull mag fed shotgun?
Rifle
I couldn't get a pic of it, but the Maztech LVPO mount at the Magpul booth was cool as hell to play with. Live, angle dependant, BDC with customizable loadings. Supposedly a year long battery life if the sales guy was to be believed.
The PSA/H&R/NDS DOE 9mm was unexpected and cool as hell.
The Zastava Tabuk was cool
Most other things seemed pretty standard. It was fun putting hands on all the shit I'd never see otherwise. The MR73s that Beretta is importing have the best trigger I've ever felt in a revolver, beats the piss out of the Korths in the Nighthawk booth.
The PWS UXR is kinda neat.
Looks like a beretta flavored lupo. Owned by the same parent company so most likely is.
Lupo is a typical bolt gun with a different action and barrel system.
what do you do if you have a cheek riser?
frick them and their vaporware. I'm still waiting on the magpul PDR. those c**ts will never make it, and desert tech only made a half-baked version of the MDRc
My biggest wants were for Colt to sell us the LE901 and for IWI to make 300blk Galil ACE pistols to compete with the Sig Rattler. Neither of those happened so I'm bummed. All I've seen are a bunch of tactigay lever guns meant for cuck states/countries and more derivative 9manletmeter pop guns because that's all anybody shoots anymore.
What do you have against the Colt M7? It was at SHOT.
The 5.7 MP7 is awesome but the most exciting for me is the modular and totally customizable bolt gun, shotty, and Vuk. I want them to change the handguard on the Vuk during final production so it looks less like the JAKL though. There is just a little too much JAKL-related spam this year. It is a good platform and good idea but I think I need to stop hearing about it every five seconds
>JAKL
>Ar18 variant that doesn't do anything other ar18 clones don't do
>Vuk
>JAKL but takes AK mags
Honestly I don't get the hype, like maybe if youre a 7.62x39 enthusiast? Otherwise I'd think a BRN 180 or jakal would make more sense. The Indonesian company importing FNCs seems way more interesting if you just wanted a different sort of carbine for variety
Because I like it and I can't buy an AK-12 that's why
For me it’s the Pindad FNC clone.
This and the AKB-23 thing announced last week.
The new PTR suppressors coming out of nowhere and dethroning every single tested suppressor to date by a wide margin with their first design.
blue is more important to me than red.
I'm surprised I haven't seen more talk about the FNC here.
I only knew about it because this video popped up in my recommended with like 200-300 views. Fricking amazing. Someone mentioned AK5c repros being able to finally be made off of these as well which I totally forgot about; I had seen them years ago but apparently they don't export or resell them so parts kits are not an option.
>I only knew about it because this video popped up in my recommended with like 200-300 views.
Exact same situation for me too. Hopefully somebody starts cranking out enough domestic parts to get it around the 922r thing so stocking it isn't sketchy.
no one cares or can enforce it…
Do you homosexuals really worry about 922r?
I get Shot Show is for more then just civilians, but I hate seeing belt feds, and shit that we know for 100% certainty is either never coming to the civilian market, or if it is its coming at frick you prices.
I'd absolutely pay 2-3k for a decent belt fed.
Imblyping that would cost anywhere near the neighborhood of 2-3k if cucked and offered to civilians. I agree though, an accessible belt-fed would be pretty nice tbh.
I just don't get why belt fed semi autos cost so much. I get some rnd is involved in making it work closed bolt semi, and that they can be a bit more complicated then regular rifles. However there is no fricking way they should cost as much as they do. The MCR is 6k, oow 240 is 13k, 249s is 8k minimum. How in the hell does the cheapest belt fed cost 3x that of a mid-high end semi auto rifle. I don't have any way of verifying this, but I remember reading that a M249 costs the US military roughly 3k. Why then would a fricking AR15 upper cost 6k, unless its just a product designed to entice those so called "whales" that you only need to make a few sales from.
>Why then would a fricking AR15 upper cost 6k,
You answered part of your own question with another question. It's because people will pay for it. It's
Besides that, the market for light machine guns is small inside the already small number of Americans that believe it's justifiable to own military grade weaponry. It's hard enough convincing your average joe to spend more than the absolute bare minimum on an AR. Why would any company distract their tooling to make (cucked) LMGs that maybe a couple of people will buy? They could be cranking machine goyslop out nonstop and actually sell it instead.
Additionally, LMGs also don't really have much practical application beyond funsies compared to other purchases in that price range like precision rifles or NODs.
There is also the secondary cost of actually shooting the damn thing. It looks real neat, but then people might start talking themselves out of it when they start blowing five hundred bucks a range day because they got carried away, nevermind the cost of getting and setting up belts. Nobody wants to shoot 30 rounds out of an LMG.
It's just unfeasible to economically research, tool, produce, advertise, ship out, and warranty LMGs, and even if it were, manufacturers would be moronic to not charge a high premium for them. Every company out there is getting by just fine with AR15s, which are sadly becoming the crossover of the gun world. Safe. Practical. Foolproof.
Sigh.
>Additionally, LMGs also don't really have much practical application beyond funsies compared to other purchases in that price range like precision rifles or NODs.
Everything else in your post is spot on, but this is very wide of the mark. LMGs are massively more useful than either of those purchases. In a world where there was no NFA or Hughes Amendment, some LMG equivalent of the AR15 would be the thing that every militia larper would be told to purchase first, because LMGs do every single thing that an AR or DMR can do in combat, but better and faster at the cost of more weight and ammo use, and less target discrimination. This includes things that people traditionally think ARs or DMRs do better, like clearing rooms (you clear it from the outside with an LMG) and hitting things at long range (you do it by volume with an LMG and still get first rounds on target faster).
The difference in combat usefulness between an LMG and every other kind of man-portable gun is at least a factor of 2 or 3.
Oh, I absolutely agree, don't get me wrong. If the NFA never existed? You'd be absolutely right. People serious about defense would invariably know somebody with one, and it wouldn't be as socially taboo to put together your own fireteam and exercise your rights. Without the NFA cans would also be four hundred bucks and you could pick 'em up at Cabeller's on your way to the range. It would be fricking glorious. We do, however, with massive misfortune, live in the same world the NFA lives in. It's by and large the biggest roadblock in the modern world of firearms today, and we CAN do something about it. Write your representatives. Write the ATF. Write the FBI. Be loud, and if you're gonna comply (which you should :^) ), make it a pain in their asses. Make 'em sick of hearing about it. I'm not sure if you're involved with NFA items, but people are getting serious results with getting applications pushed through by contacting their representatives. It's literally working. Do your part to help normalize it. It's the only chance we have of seeing the NFA disappear in our lifetimes.
>seeing the NFA disappear in our lifetimes
Our best chance at that in the immediate future died with Vivek's campaign.
>semi beltfed
moronic idea.
I'd say a minimum of $10k-$15k if they ever offered them, somewhere in the realm of their semi-auto M240's.
For the longest time, semi-auto RPD's and 1919A4's were the cheapest way into semi-auto belt-feds.
You can still find semi-auto 1919A4's in the neighborhood of $3500-$4000 if you look hard enough, but ever since DSA discontinued their RPD's they aren't as easy to find anymore and skyrocketed in price.
I used to have one and foolishly sold it, it's one of the few guns I regret selling.
That thing was got as hell. It has a B5 systems stock and grip
Just, for a second here, imagine using this thing to shoot invasive hogs from a helicopter.
I mean, that's pretty close to what I was imagining when I sat in the huey.
A more portable and effective machine gun chambered in a more dynamic round? The military will never buy it
Don't forget that it's objectively better looking than the XM250 or the MG 338.
That goofy looking stock and the grip not being flush with the receiver triggers my autism.
Looks like Daniel Defense worked out a deal with Hudson to revive the H9. Wonder how it is.
The trigger is worse than my Hudson, and it doesn't sit as low in the hand.
Wonder if parts compatibility is decent. If you can fix one with parts from Daniel, I might grab a Hudson off Gunbroker.
In the TFBTV video James said that nothing is interchangeable besides some tiny spring. DD completely re-engineered the design.
Sad. The new Archon Type B and the RIA 5.0 look cooler.
In what world?
DD bought the patent.
Why? It looks like shit
Aero rep said semis are difficult to get in their home state, so they wanted to branch out into 50 state legal guns.
NTA but, thank staccato for creating a standard. Especially now with Springfield, Triarc, and others making actual 2011s. Those mags are all relatively interchangeable, as are most parts/grip frames. I agree with him, 2011 is now a set standard, not just a 'double stack 1911'.
This set up is particularly good looking, they'll also be selling the handguard independently, if you get the Stag arms version.
Somebody making a clone of the Bushmaster Arm Pistol was not on my 2024 SHOT bingo card.
It was a turk company IIRC. It was downstairs in the venetian.
The article says they're based in Maine and that the CEO of the company is the son of the original designer, so I highly doubt it's a turk clone.
A true meme blaster
>all this random shit being made for seemingly no reason
Okay, uh, my next prediction...modern gill guns...?
ohhhh frick that's neat. Stupid, but neat. kinda like pic related
I wanted one up until I had a chance to play with one for fun. Holy crap what a hunk of junk
>picatinny stock attachment
Jesus Christ it's disgusting
you ak gays are insufferable, would you rather have the pic rail stock or be forced to pay a $200 SBR tax and wait a couple months you frickin moron
why would you put a folding stock and a folding stock hinge
Because there are no 4.5mm triangle braces you moron
This and the eotech are supposedly available end of the month. Eotech mount is really impressive, much lighter than the Unity.
Really liked it, seems to cover all the bases of what you'd want a 92 for. D/A was really nice, and carrying loaded and dewienered is a nice option.
> carrying loaded and dewienered is a nice option.
A regular 92 does that better.
That mount is trying to solve a problem no one was having.
How do we feel about the beretta 92GTS
sounds like it'd be a cool car
To match me fricking up the formatting here's some boomers fricking up both the AR and the Thompson.
Where do I buy one?
need more shit that looks like this. Snake Plisskin ass gun
What is that called? I have a mighty need for one.
H&R's copy of the colt lmg. No release date yet
We're finally getting FNC imports through Indonesia
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Pissed Glock still hasn't shown the GR-115F and Vortex didn't release the 1-10
Why is nobody talking about that shotgun PSA put out? They lego-ized the shotgun. I need it immediately but they're putting it to a vote
It's funny, I've been wanting a shotgun recently and all the sudden here comes PSA. Still going to get my used 870 but I'm highly considering buying their offering when it comes out.
The bolt action is modular too. Now ARs and some AKs won't be the only firearm you can customize. It is going to be cool seeing what everyone makes when all these lowers/uppers/stocks/grips/chassis/barrels/etc. finally come out. Based on the poll the 5.7, 308 JAKL and Vuk will probably come first though
the FNC that was shown looks pretty cool
>reportedly 3/4" at 500y
I'm calling bullshit.
I could see .75MOA at 500 yards.
3.5" groups at 500 yards sounds like what you'd get from a very well made long range rifle these days.
.357 Sig Platypus. Perhaps you've seen me over the past few months inquiring about .40 cals for conversions and native .357 Sig guns. I never thought I'd drop money on a 2011, but it seems in the near future I will.
The Platypus isn’t a 2011.
Is it really not?
2011 frame construction is different than “regular” double stack 1911s. The 2 piece frame is probably the biggest difference.
we've collectively decided that 2011 is a term usable for any double stack 1911, no we dont care that the original 2011s had two piece frames incorporating polymer, were just not gonna bother coming up with a new term for every slightly different double stack 1911 variant because "well ahktually".
They're 2011s.
I’m glad you decided to go ahead and speak for the dumbasses of the world but anyone who knows what they’re talking about is going to differentiate between them.
>you CANT call that a 1911 its actually a series 80 containing a schwartz firing pin....
Yea, no, enjoy your pedantry
I’m not going to stop using the correct terminology to cater to people who don’t know what they’re talking about.
So what do you call the 2011's that don't meet your extremely specific definition of a 2011?
Double stack 1911s(which is what they’re marketed as). Alternatively, just call them by their name.
>double stack 1911
you mean like a 2011?
The world is a complicated place anon, you don’t have to be scared by it. Maybe take some time to learn some of the industry wide nomenclature that’s in common use at this point instead of raging against it in ignorance.
Thr entire industry uses "2011" as a catch all for any double stack 1911 regardless of caliber or frame construction....
You may want to look closer next time you’re on Stealth Arms’ website. What magazines do 2011s take by the way?
A weapon isn't defined by the brand of magazine it takes. A single stack Glock that takes 1911 mags is still a Glock.
You didn’t answer the question. What type of magazines does a 2011 take?
Depends, do you consider the Platypus a 2011?
Do you consider the Wilson Combat EDC X9 a 2011?
You may not but some would. Unless I'm mistaken though, Staccato coined the term 2011 to refer to their guns. My Staccato all had Staccato brand Staccato magazines at a ridiculous $75 a pop.
Neither the Platypus or X9 are 2011s, regardless of what anyone considers them.
Could be proprietary, could be glock mags, could be Sig mags.
This aside, I've done more research and I see why you make the distinction between 1911's and 2011's with the 2 piece frame. I wanna apologize for my earlier ignorance on 2011's. I was wrong, the industry does not call them 2011's, they're marketed as 1911's. My misunderstanding came from all the reviews of such guns I watched that called them 2011/2011 style guns. I now see the biggest difference with the polymer lower lower, and the upper lower being metal.
HOWEVER, in form and function it's the exact same as a one piece double stack 1911, so shut the frick up. Nobody gives a shit. The 2011's most defining feature that sets it apart from a 1911 is that it's double stack. Laymen call them all 2011's.
...and on a side note, I would like to say that 80 series triggers are garbage and if you buy an 80 series 1911, you're an butthole.
DO NOT buy 80 series 1911's. It destroys the only good thing about the 1911, it's trigger and only encourages them to make more. Stop it.
nobody gives a frick dude. they're 2011's.
>we've collectively decided that 2011 is a term usable for any double stack 1911,
Sincerely go frick yourself for this. Because of this it's impossible to try and find doublestack 1911 frames without getting a bunch of results for 2011s. I don't want 9mm I want .45 you homosexual.
I thought a 2011 was just a double stack 1911 typically in 9mm?
Sad that the only showing CZ really had was their bolt action. Would have loved to see a sub compact metal frame hammer fired pistol. Something to continue the RAMI.
kinda want.
psa x57 with a trigger sounds good. also two years away sad
maybe if the 45 and 10 will have better extension support than last gen
tbh everything was boring to me, the industry is stagnating, none of what was shown will be anything more than a meme that everyone will have forgotten by the end of the year.
Giving us interchangeable AR grips (??) and not addressing the magazine is concerning. That x57 isnt coming anytime soon. B&t wants 2k for a Tp9 or Tp380. LC Charger too bulky.
Mpa Defender is all we got
I wish we got pic related.
Same anon.