My state is about to make it very difficult to get a handgun if you don’t have a bunch of friends to vouch for you so I’m looking to buy 2 before they do their gay laws. The two I’m thinking of getting are the m&p 2 metal and cz p01. I want to stay away from plastic. My state is Delaware btw. They banned all “assault weapons” last year and are forcing anyone who bought one before the ban to register it with the cops and get finger printed and all kinds of bullshit so the handgun laws will definitely pass. They already banned having more than 17 bullets in a gun
why does it look like that?
Because that's how they look. what kind of moron are you?
yeah, but why? why does a gun have scales on them?
They're interchangeable grips
I think he's talking about the slide serrations
I don't understand the aversion to a polymer gun. If you're going "all metal" don't go aluminum. The reviews on this say it actually transmits the felt recoil more than the polymer. A steel frame would be better at smoothing it out.
Why would steel be any better than aluminum at 'smoothing recoil' other than being heavier?
Because it absorbs the recoil, whereas the aluminum seems to almost reverberate it into your hand. The only thing I can compare it to is bike frames. Steel is super comfortable, and carbon fiber can be tuned to whatever ride you want. An
aluminum frame that comfortable is rare. It's like you feel everything bounced into your taint. That's probably why they are the cheapest frames. Get a G19 or a G26 or even a S&W Shield +. I don't know steel frames enough to recommend one.
I just realized my dumbass didn’t ask a question. Meant to ask your opinions on these two guns
standard boring ass 9mm pistols. pick what ya like i guess. im sure theyre both fine.
have you shot both of them yourself?
I have both. Both are great shooting pistols.
why the p01? go with the sp01. not like itll be comfortable carrying either. that and a meme range toy like a ruger 5.7
I’ve heard the p01 is decent for carry where as the sp01 is just way to big and heavy. I’ve never dealt with pistols so I have to base everything off info from YouTubers. I only own a shotgun
The weight of a full metal frame will always be harder to carry than a poly one. Go sp01 for the range and a compact poly for carry. Either way it’s up to you but your choices are perfectly fine. The full metal SW seems kinda dumb when you also have the CZ so maybe rethink that but otherwise it’s not really a problem.
P-01 is a metal frame anon, just an alloy aluminum one.
Regardless, I own a P-01, it was the first pistol I ever bought back in 2012, and honestly I've never doubted the decision once.
It is my favorite handgun to this day.
It doesn't do anything "the best", but I can't imagine a better "all-rounder" pistol.
That said, I do want an SP-01 as well, so I'd honestly grab either.
If they made an SP-01 with a P-01 size grip I'd be preordered the second it was announced, because that would be the ultimate in my opinion.
Do you plan to carry daily? A P01 will be okay once in a while but a polymer would certainly be more suitable for daily carry.
Do you care for pure target shooting? If yes, what
said. A shadow 2 could also be a good option. If not, there's no real reason to mess with pistols as big as shadows 1/2.
Another route could be getting a 38/357, barrel length/cylinder capacity depending of the use. Or a more vintage gun that has soul, a german-made Walther PP or whatever else that makes your pp hard. You would already have a gun for serious use, might as well have a neat one as #2. In any case I don't think it'd be very wise to get that M&P as a 2nd gun.
>the p01 is decent for carry where as the sp01 is just way to big and heavy.
p01 owner here
the p01 isnt decent for carry. its viable if you want to force it like you really must ccw it for some reason you made up in your head. its not comfortable. its a comfortable open carry gun. as a ccw its starts on the fence where smart people would say frick that and others will be yeah i really want to then give up a year later if they buy something actually suited for ccw.
if you really wanted to force it. however you could carry a sp01 or 1911 with the same results.
p01 is small but not small enough.
>I’ve heard the p01 is decent for carry where as the sp01 is just way to big and heavy
Today they are both considered too big and heavy for carry.
Sp01 phantom. Problem solved.
Weighs basically the same as a p01
the PSA Rock 5.7 is better in every way compared to the Ruger 57
Curious why? I think my next gun will be a 5.7, and was gonna go with the Ruger.
Ruger has a shit trigger, the (internal) hammer is only at half wiener so it's double action every time except you don't get repeat strike capability
Also it doesn't feel very good in the hands, and the optic mounting options blow ass, it's mounting plate only and the plates are a quarter inch thick. Only 20 round mags, the PSA mags work but don't drop free.
PSA Rock has excellent ergonomics and points very naturally, excellent economics (less than $500) and has good mounting options for optics. The 23 round mags it comes with can accept +7 baseplates. I think it's hard to overstate how naturally it points and how accessible the controls are. I don't have the largest hands and have issues accessing controls with my default grip on a lot of pistols but have no issue on the Rock.
The S&W doesn't point as naturally as the Rock but feels much more sturdy in the hands. Trigger is almost as good as the Rock but costs $300 more. The funny operating system might make it worth it for the novelty factor.
The FN costs three times as much as the Rock so we're ignoring it.
I disagree, I carry the pcr (same as p01, just no rail) and it’s plenty comfortable. Similar dimensions to a Glock 19.
Op, metal is based. I think both are great choices. Maybe get a mouse gun too so you have all bases covered.
Glock 26. It is very concealable if needed, and can also load any 9mm double-stack Glock mag in existence, meaning you can throw a 33rd mag in at home or use the +2 (12rd) mag when carrying.
You trying to blow is hands apart with that grenade you’re telling him to buy.
you are moronic as frick
Have you not see the binder anon?
Just buy some friends.
Buy a Beretta you moron homosexual
I had a couple of /k/ommandos sponsor me for my permit even though they didn't know me.
How many friends are required?
Do you really not have any friends?
I'm an absolute sperg that absolutely botches every single social interaction yet I still have several friends.
5 friends who all live in the same county and aren’t anti gun
Frick that's awful.
NJ did the same, but only two.
I was able to pull that off pretty easy but five would be a stretch.
It sucks living in a ban state, you have to walk on eggshells and hide your power level because all your coworkers and friends have the potential to seriously frick your life up if they find out you've got scary things and are of the opinion those things make you bad automatically.
You find your shooting buddies by chance somehow, and then together you speak in code amongst "friends" at parties and go to PA like you're a fricking Free Mason to conduct your business in the shadows.
You don't have to walk on egg shells.... you choose to
>Just defy state policy bro
This entire thread was started in order to discuss how to get grandfathered in hastily and stay in coooompliance. Nobody itt has the moral courage to defy .gov.
>Nobody itt has the moral courage to defy .gov.
Not publicly. I have kids and a big boy job to provide them a decent life.
If I wasn't responsible for two other lives maybe I'd be more comfortable being a "non-conformist" edgelord like you fricking idiots.
Maybe leave your gay state and stop paying taxes to people who hate you.
>Pull your kids out of school and away from their friends
>Sell the house you have a mortgage on
>Ditch your wife because she doesn't want to leave her job
>Flee to a state where you won't get paid as well, your kids won't get as good an education, and forego having them see your family weekly in favor of bi-yearly visits, all so you can have an uncucked AR and extendo mags publicly
Yeah great idea you fricking slackjawed yokel.
Okay Black personhomosexual, enjoy your dystopia. I just hope the locals don’t get to your kids. I’ll be relaxing at the beach with my handgun that I asked 0 (zero) people for permission to have or to carry.
Good, we don't want your carpetbagging ass in our towns.
If one of your kids talks about being sad, some leftist sperg at their school will try to red flag you and have your guns confiscated. It's a genuine threat in deep blue NY.
Take your kid out for a fun range trip to cheer them up.
Buy a "full size" and a subby. I recommend the M&P and a Shield Plus. Buying two metal double-stacks is a little redundant, and while you could get an M&P compact for some added compatibility and versatility like using the bigger mags in the smaller gun, it's not worth it when you could have the "full size" and a much thinner, easier to conceal weapon with plenty of capacity and features. Shield Plus has a great trigger and is reliable above all else, nevermind potential for night sights, optics ready, blah blah.
>I want to stay away from plastic.
why
He’s a homosexual who’s been listening to uneducated boomers that’s why.
One of them should be a P320. In a situation like yours the FCG system actually makes sense.
Remember cash is king and trumps any local laws... also there's the whole shal nit be infringed thing
sp01, definitely not aluminum m&p, for second handgun get a revolver of something. if I wanted a metal carry gun I’d do a 22 8 shot lightweight revolver in a phlster enigma.
Just buy like 20 Glock 19s because other people will actually want them.
My state (MA) doesn't even have gun laws, rather some dyke c**t made an opinion on her interpretation of an AWB and then applied it to a bunch of guns overnight without any due process from congress or the courts.
Basically everyone just complies with it without it being an actual law and to my knowledge no one with a license to carry has every been charged for having magazines >10 or possession of any of the banned items.
Some shops will also just sell you a lower and upper separately and then you have to self assemble register on your own which is what I did although I kind of regret registering.
This, the Glock 19 is the baseline do all pistol, everybody should have one, if nothing it serves as a backup or reference point to compare everything else
Get the m&p, the p01 has some expensive problems to manage and isn't a fun shooting experience out of the box. Is it reliable? Yeah, but so are basically every other handgun on the market.
What do I need to make my CZ awesome, anon
Cajun gun works or mcarbo reduced weight trigger and hammer kits with springs, aftermarket firing pin, and replacement firing pin retaining pins. Yes, pins as in multiple because there's a chance it'll break anyway even on live rounds and snap caps.
How about these anon, will these make my gun shoot better
Yes, you can also make your car go faster by swapping the steering wheel
I own the PCR and it’s best the gun I’ve ever shot right. It fits perfectly in my hand and the recoil is manageable.
get a glock 20 and a sp01 dont be a troony
get one of the sp-01s unless you have small hands, they have nearly no recoil, p-01 is just a baby sp anyway
Ignore the government to the greatest extent possible, especially with respect to them trying leave you defenseless against the millions of hostile alien Black folk they are importing to destroy your life.
When I lived in DE I went through the CCW process and was like “5 references?” I’d lived there for a year and didn’t know too many people. I asked my state Sen (Lopez) to serve as one reference and got approved in 10 days when they were taking months. I left 4 years ago.
I suggest the p01 and the plastic m&p 2.0
No point in having two similarly sized metal guns of same caliber because you're just going to decide one is better than the other and never use the other one
Better yet get the p365 or p320 so you can frick around with modular frames
CZ thread ?
You pay taxes to a state who rapes you in the ass. What a fricking cuck homosexual you are, save your money and buy some balls instead troony.
Anybody extracting taxes from you hates you. Blue staters should still anhero, but make no mistake
P.S. Taxes are indeed theft but until we figure out how to stop it I decided to minimize the damage and move to a based state so at least I didn't feel like a cuck. Looks like it's working out so far, still feels bad getting robbed.
Meanwhile, every single criminal can just go to any major city and buy an illegal AR in cash, trafficked illegally into urban areas.
You ever notice how gun laws only impede people who are willing to obey the law? Because it's not about safety, it's about power and control, and stepping on the Constitution for that power and control.
>forcing anyone who bought one before the ban to register it with the cops and get finger printed and all kinds of bullshit
What's the rate of compliance?