My grandfather was a surveyor and traveled across the world and a tip he taught me was about water. He would find a creek near a mountain or at least a flowing body of water that looked to be clear and on a elevation. He would drink one table spoon of water from it, then the next day he would take 2 table spoons, eventually over the span of a few weeks he would drink a half a cup to eventually 3/4 quarters and finally a cup and hardly got sick. Is this effective instead of boiling untreated water?
Wouldn't this just gradually frick your shit up instead of all at once? Bad water is still bad water.
You would stop if you got sick and find a different water source or try to boil it. It's just a matter of internal conditioning.
No, that's not how it works when it comes to that. Today it's fine, tomorrow it's fine, day after it's not fine because animal took a shit up stream.
We get sick from natural water sources because we grow up drinking highly sterilized water. What do you think wild animals drink? What do you think our ancestors drank? Our gut bacteria is out of "spec" from all the sterilized water we drink. Obviously, some water sources can be really bad, and even make animals sick, but it's pretty rare to be THAT bad.
>What do you think wild animals drink?
A lot of waterborne viruses are spread by animals walking around with diarrhoea all day you brainlet
Keep being scared of nature. What are you gonna drink if they shut the water off?
We’ll if you live near a city you’ll be drinking human shit. A lot of people in the third world (Detroit) die from that.
Not my problem.
Yet.
Ever.
Do you know what a well is?
Animals don't care if they shit their pants because they're not wearing any.
I love it when dudes that think blueberries cure cancer try to spout medical knowledge. I know I shouldn't be laughing at it, but I do.
You seem to be projecting, nobody said anything about blueberries or "holistic medicine" at all. The statement you replied to is a FACT. Scientists will tell you this, along with also giving you a warning about the risks. Modern water treatment was invented to limit the risks, while also providing water to the cities. If you don't want to trust the science or learn about microbiomes, that's your problem. Do you also think probiotics are psuedoscientific?
>projecting
You have to go back, son.
I worked with a dude who did ayahuasca and thinks cancer is caused from holding onto bad energies and psychedelics could cure cancer by purging the negative energies lmao
>What do you think wild animals drink? What do you think our ancestors drank?
Did you ever play the Oregon Trail? Have you heard of cholera or giardia? No one is gonna stop you from drinking shit water but you're deluding yourself if you think building up a resistance to bacteria is a good thing
>Did you ever play the Oregon Trail
I hate PrepHole.
I thought it was something everyone played/learned about so you could have a frame of reference for what your ancestors might have drank and what happened to them, but seems like you just want to be a little whiny homosexual
> You get dysentery from EVERY natural water source because I saw it in a video game.
Yeah, you made a GREAT point!
see
also way to interject your own hyperboles hope you shit your brains out
This isn't actually true. You some to be conflating a bunch of stuff and arriving at an wrong conclusion.
Stop posting and drink your filtered tap water sissy.
you already got btfo
this is true, a dumb westerner drinking a perfectly good water from shithole countries like India would get massive diarrhea for no reason. it's like they don't have any immune system at all.
>What do you think our ancestors drank?
Never heard of a well huh, moron
nomadic hunter-gatherers dont have wells
>going back pre-agriculture for muh argument
>gee i wonder why everyone who stayed in any place for any period of time has been digging wells since 8000 bc
Were you born like this or is it a lack of education?
He's just stuck like that.
>going back pre-agriculture for muh argument
yeah, we have been around for 200k years or more depending on what you call human, and most of that time we just drank from streams and did just fine.
>i wonder why everyone who stayed in any place for any period of time has been digging wells since 8000 bc
because walking 5 miles for water isn't convenient? this has nothing to do with water purity.
Imagine being this desperate to get the shits innawoods.
Settlements tend to frick up the water quality around them. Plus convenience. Still, people digging wells doesn't change the fact that they didn't dig them before and survived.
Enjoy dysentery and death at the ripe old age of 30 because of muh caveman ancestors.
Cavemen didn't die at the age of 30.
"First and foremost is that while Paleolithic-era humans may have been fit and trim, their average life expectancy was in the neighbourhood of 35 years."
that whole idea comes from a popular misunderstanding of the stats. Yes, it's believed that their AVERAGE life expectancy was 30-40, but that's primarily due to very high infant mortality, which brings down the AVERAGE. They lived about as long as we do if they didn't die young. Although they lacked modern medicine, their lifestyle and diet was much healthier than the modern variants.
>what is insane child mortality pushing everything down
This poster is the type to say something like "the human race".
Take pictures of your runny shits and post them here.
I would say it's possible. The modern human's immune system is coddled and weak. More and more it's being discovered that many allergies come from lack of exposure to the allergens as a child. Sterilizing everything makes you allergic to everything. Not all allergies though, but many of them.
back in the day, if your jelly got mold on it, you just stirred it in and ate it anyway, and they were fine. If a modern civilized person did that, they'd probably end up in the hospital, unless they worked up to it gradually, like OP describes.
Believe it or not, the body is actually very good at learning and overcoming new threats, so long as its not immediately overwhelmed.
>The modern human's immune system is coddled and weak.
>Is this effective instead of boiling untreated water?
this is how you aclimate your stomach bioum to deal with localized bacteria/organisms. It doesnt magically make you immune to toxic waste dumped in a stream, but it does make it so you dont get the shits and violently ill from drinking regular "dirty" water.
if there's chronic infestation of some localized parasite, probably not a good idea to do but if you have absolutely no choice then starting off small so your body can learn how to fight water born parasites is probably a better idea than YOLOing a whole gallon of the stuff and hoping your stomach can handle an army of microscopic worms.
This is the kind of stuff you do if you are going to be stuck in a location for weeks to months at a time and HAVE to utilize local water sources, not something you should be experimenting with on a day trip or a weekend.
Sounds moronic, even for a globalist shill.
Ceramic pot filter, then boil. Man has been doing it since forever, not a hard concept.
>even for a globalist shill
what
>"a surveyor and traveled across the world"
>"what??"
>someone leaves the country
>that makes them a "globalist" shill
Goddamned stupid fricking /misc/TARDS. They are so goddamned moronic. Their stupidity is just a burden on society.
People that don’t leave the county they were born in get frightened by the idea of a world outside of it.
>cermaic
>not making a burn bowl instead like a true Native
ngmi
How does the ceramic pot filter work? Does it need a hole or does it somehow seep through it? Or are you talking about ceramic plant pots with drainage holes? And why does ceramic filter water???
you fill the pot with various types of rocks and sand and the idea is all the microorganisms either get stuck or cut up and killed while going through the various layers, then it drips through the hole in the bottom of the pot and then you boil it to be extra sure.
>Is this effective instead of boiling untreated water?
spending weeks slowly drinking unfiltered water versus minutes just boiling it? This can't be a serious question.
Eh might be some truth behind it. Reminds me of the story how snake anti venom got invented. A scientist saw a bunch of jungle snake tamers getting purposefully bit and they would gradually build up a resistance to the snake...source: https://youtu.be/7ziWrneMYss
When I was in the mountains I went all in for as long as it was snow melt
Reminds me of the foraging advice I read in one of those military training manuals. Basically you start by rubbing whatever food you want to test on your skin to see if there's a reaction, then try tasting it, then try eating a tiny piece, etc. until you're sure it won't kill you. I think it was a survival guide for pilots that might bail out in the middle of nowhere.
>them feels
sad.exe
Jesus christ, thousands of "normalgays" go backpacking every year, and you can't even google how to safely drink water?
Kys underaged never-/out/er
These threads always bring out the guys who have watched too many YouTube survivalist videos. No one who actually goes out boils their drinking water. We filter it or treat it with chemicals.
Anyway, the entire idea about treating water is overblown and location dependent. First, there are no good statistics on it in the US. All of the data on waterborne illness are skewed toward population densities. Cryptosporidium and giardia make up 80% of all infections, and norovirus makes up another 10%, but they don’t just spring from the ether; they’re spread via human shit and vomit. This can be a serious problem in a city with poor sanitation, but is it really an issue in the woods and mountains? Also, they rarely test individuals for these infections. If you show up sick from being outside, it will be written up as RWI (recreational water illness) and they’ll only treat the symptoms, because you have an immune system. If it’s really bad they’ll treat it with broad spectrum medication (including the horse paste, in pill form).
We’re really treating our water while outdoors for the remaining 10%, which might be really common (I don’t know). But our ancestors never faced the modern mountains of human shit that would have polluted their water.
The “1tbsp per day until you get sick” thing probably wouldn’t work, as a lot of this stuff takes several days to incubate and produce symptoms.
Anecdotally, I switched from a filter to Aquamira drops probably 10 years ago. It basically doesn’t work against cryptosporidium (takes like 4 hours). According to the PrepHole experts, I should be dead by now.
>First, there are no good statistics on it in the US. All of the data on waterborne illness are skewed toward population densities.
Just don't drink any water South of Oregon or at least below an elevation of 1000 feet.
I used a filter and boiled last time I was out. It was a new filter and I didn't fully trust it or me using it correctly
I regularly drink from small streams without boiling or filtration, last camping trip i drank liters of unboiled,unfiltered, untreated streamwater each day and i never got sick. We have evolvedto do this for tens of thousands of years
this. i think you need to boil water only if it's from a puddle or has a weird color or something. i always grab water from the fastest moving place in the stream i can find, ideally a jump from some rock even if it's a small one.
just don't drink water that's stationary and you are safe, no? because that's when the dirt accumulates and animals leave spit there after drinking and bacteria thrives there
Depends. I wouldn't drink from a small pond, but large lakes are usually fine if there aren't remarkable industrial- or agricultural facilities around.
your grandfather was pretty cool i bet
He was, one time he got bite by a horse and he punched in the snout so hard he literally floored it.
How am I supposed to survive on one table spoon of water for a whole day?
Ok
>living in SW Arizona since a kid in rural area, way out
>as kids in late 70's and eighties we used to go out walking in hills around houses.
>big rain cache pond was dry most of year but in a big monsoons it filled about size of almost football field, depth at deepest maybe ten feet mostly 3 to four feet. Water would slowly get lower and lower, surface smaller and smaller. Lots of good clay. Lots of folk lost a shoe deep in mud.
>all kids loved to walk over and play in water, all desert animals including cattle and horses
>everything taking shits in water probably, see little bugs under surface, algae of different types.
We all drank it, kids and adults.
Just sweep away floating stuff and cup hands and drink.
We never heard of e.coli or other shit.
We just drank it. That and pretty much any rain puddle.
Don't remember anybody getting sick or hear of any adults or kids getting sick.
The sun is always hot and bright. We drank only water we could see in sunlight if we could.
Uhhh your grandpa is moronic. He probably just never drank dirty water.
Water out in the wild isn't just gonna make you sick outright. Location depending, you can get away with not filtering most of your water. Just because its in the dirt or rocks doesn't mean it's got giardia
>Is this effective instead of boiling untreated water?
No. Also: no.
Simple and elegant way to btfo OP.
There is nothing to lose from treating water, conversely drinking untreated water could frick you up. That's it. One of you dumb fricks is gonna get river water up your nose trying to be grizzly adams and end up with a brain eater
right on, friend. When are you getting your fifth boostershot btw?
you got an argument pro drinking pond water or you just gonna jerk me off all day
nobody in this thread is defending drinking pondwater. Also if you are going to avoid every small risk you should better stay inside the house
Cope harder shitmouth
Quote a post that is defending drinking stillstanding water then, moron
There you go moron
ok, cool. I disagree with him, now what
>ok, cool. I disagree with him, now what
Keep putting words in people's mouth, I'll keep drinking as nature intended. You are domesticated.
>brain eater scare
only if you live in a shithole country with horrible water
"Naegleria fowleri is found around the world. In the United States, the majority of infections have been caused by Naegleria fowleri from freshwater located in southern-tier states. The ameba can be found in:
Bodies of warm freshwater, such as lakes and rivers
Geothermal (naturally hot) water, such as hot springs
Warm water discharge from industrial plants
Geothermal (naturally hot) drinking water sources
Swimming pools that are poorly maintained, minimally-chlorinated, and/or un-chlorinated
Water heaters. Naegleria fowleri grows best at higher temperatures up to 115°F (46°C) and can survive for short periods at higher temperatures.
Soil
Naegleria fowleri is not found in salt water, like the ocean."
Luckily I live in the emerald israeliteel that is the pnw
>emerald israeliteel that is the pnw
Same here brother, everything South of Medford OR should be nuked.
So America?
>Is this effective instead of boiling untreated water?
Why not just have a fire, collect the charcoal and make a filter with charcoal, sand and some dead grass?
Wouldn't that beat waiting weeks to drink a cup?
Or even faster, boil it.
Even faster yet get a lifestraw.
I sometimes drink untreated water, haven't gotten sick yet. Usually I have a filter with me but not every time. If it flows and looks clear it's good enough for me when I'm thirsty.
I studied surveying and on a trip a girl told me how she drank from a creek once and got massive shits, I wouldn't recognize her nowadays but I will remember this.
where was it?
Uhh the trip was in the Alps, dunno where she got the shits, but I expect also in a similar region.
For a bunch of outdoorsmen, you guys kind of seem like pussies. Have you ever been in a body of water that wasn't a chlorine sterilized pool? People who've jumped into rivers, chances are they've ingested enough water from rivers and creeks to theoretically make 5 grown men sick and they turned out fine. You guys are just stuck on finding any good water source because of you live in shithole parts of America. If it smells like shit, looks like shit, and tastes like shit just don't drink it or eat it.
The same people arguing that "you're gonna die" if you drink from a stream are the same ones that think you will absolutely die from eating some raw ground beef you bought at Walmart. The risk is MINIMAL in the grand scheme of things... the risk IS there, but it's worst case scenario. We sterilize our foods and drinks so that we can rule out the possibility of rare issues. It's the same reason people 100% believe that humans cannot eat raw meat, because the shit you buy at the store has a long timeframe to be contaminated from the processing plant to your home. You ought to see people freak out when they see how I cook my steak. It bleeds like a stuck pig. NEVER been sick... and that's from fricking store-bought meat. Hell, I don't even fully cook my ground bef(I leave it somewhat pink) because it just tastes better and has better texture. If you were harvesting fresh game or getting quality butcher meat, it's even less risky. One of the most nutritous parts of meat is the blood content.
people do what they're told by "the experts." even if it's flawed or biased to a degree. same reason circumcision is still prevelant in America. Americans especially eat up borderline psuedoscience. "Health benefits" perpetuated in American health sciences aren't even agreed upon in europe in many cases(see circumcision for example.)
really shoehorned that circumcision in
>even if it's flawed or biased to a degree. same reason circumcision is still prevelant in America.
You write Silent Hill fan theories by chance?
this thread went from "drinking from streams" to "YOU CAN'T DRINK FROM STAGNANT PONDS AND THE CHICAGO RIVER!"
More like should I spend weeks slowly drinking river water or just boiling it to if you don't drink mystery water you aren't really an outdoorsman and finally anons yelling "YOU CAN'T DRINK FROM STAGNANT PONDS AND THE CHICAGO RIVER!"
>PrepHole doesn’t filter or treat their water
It explains all the shitposts I guess.
>there won't be a response to this
lol
lmao
*bu dum tiss*
On a side note, why don't I eat raw deer meat?
something something PrepHole filtering their meats
In spring time I drink freely as long as I'm upstream of campsites or at least a dozen km downstream from campsites. The water is clean enough that I can drink plenty of it and have never gotten sick, and it's not even particularly high or close to the source.
Well this really depends on your situation. Guiardia is curable. Death by dehydration is not.
literally drank water from this lake all my life and never got sick. Either you are weak homosexuals or live in a shithole if you cant handle some ~~*untreated*~~ water.
You found my shitting lake!
I live near the purest best tasting water in the country but aren't the South, New England, and Midwest watersources filled with chemicals from old factories and trash dumps and dead babies etc
yea
PNW has the best water
You can for sure drink most sources of water as long as you’re not near a major agricultural or industrial area. Just don’t be moronic and drink from stagnant/unclear pools
Depends on where you are. Mossy hill areas with streams between them maybe. Mountain streams for sure. Actual rivers and lakes maybe not so much. You're taking a risk no matter what though.
The only time you should be drinking water straight from the ground is if it's from ice.